Problems with CyberStorm Mk II
Robert Glover
somebody overseas. It's to go in my 4000/030 that had a WarpEngine 040 40
MHz in it before.
I set the INT/EXT jumpers accordingly to EXT (they were already that way
actually), but when the system boots, it always comes up with Software Error
over and over and over again. That's whether I boot from floppy or the hard
drive. I remember the first number... 8000 000B, but I don't recall the
second one.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Rob
Robert J Williams
Robert Glover <spam@f-bo/REMOVE/dy.org> wrote in article
<dMLs4.11961$Ev4.2...@nnrp1-w.snfc21.pbi.net>...
Have you installed the appropriate librarys? 68060 based accelerators need
to have some software installed before they will work reliably. Normally
I'd suggest downloading the latest archive from Phase 5 but as they are now
in bankruptcy proceedings I think their ftp server is down. An older
version is on Aminet:
ftp://de.aminet.net/aminet/biz/p5/68060-V44_3.lha
IIRC the installation instructions (you have to copy and rename the
librarys) are in the 68040dummy.library.notes file.
Hope that gets it going,
Robert
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Claus Dieter Detjen
> Today I received a used CyberStorm Mk II (50 MHz 060) that I bought from
> somebody overseas. It's to go in my 4000/030 that had a WarpEngine 040 40
> MHz in it before.
>
> I set the INT/EXT jumpers accordingly to EXT (they were already that way
> actually), but when the system boots, it always comes up with Software Error
> over and over and over again. That's whether I boot from floppy or the hard
> drive. I remember the first number... 8000 000B, but I don't recall the
> second one.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rob
>
The INT/EXT jumpers have to be set to INT for the Cyberstorm MKII.
Besides that you have to install the 68060 libraries before you install the
board.
Greetings
Dieter
Robert Glover
"Patrick Ford " <pa...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:38B47EF1.MD...@ihug.co.nz...
>
> At what stage does it crash? The last time I saw that happen was when I
> installed WB3.5 and the 68040.library got over written with a real one.
The
> correct 68040.library is tiny, 700k or so, and is just a redirection dummy
> to the real one and the 68060.library.
It crashes immediately upon attempt to boot. Won't come up at all with it,
doesn't even load anything it appears. I did get to a desktop booting from
a WB3.1 disk, but it died right after that.
It seems kinda sad that you have to install the libraries before installing
the board... my WarpEngine 040 doesn't require anything fancy like that.
Just put it in and it runs.
> This is from the notes in one of phase5's lib issue. Earlier issues did
not
> have 68040new.library. The whole lot together are a matched set, and you
> can't mix up versions, particularly the dummy library renamed as
> 68040.library. Earlier ones didn't point to 68040new and 68040old, but
> to 68040old only.
I'll have to try this...
Oh... also, if I set the jumpers to INT, it doens't boot at all. Having
them on EXT is the only way it'll do anything but sit there and not even
send a signal to the monitor.
BTW, I also have a Picasso IV and an X-Surf in the machine. I had gotten an
Oktagon SCSI board too, but it doesn't work at all. Screen turns red and
sometimes I get a screen showing board diagnostics that says the card is
defective. I've tried all this with all the boards removed too, same
effect.
Rob
Etienne Vogt
> I set the INT/EXT jumpers accordingly to EXT (they were already that way
> actually), but when the system boots, it always comes up with Software Error
> over and over and over again. That's whether I boot from floppy or the hard
> drive. I remember the first number... 8000 000B, but I don't recall the
> second one.
It looks like you don't have the proper support libraries installed.
You need a dummy 68040.library and the 68060.library. They were available
from Phase5 before they went under. Don't know where to get them
currently.
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Napoli, Italia
Robert Glover
> Robert Glover wrote:
>
> > It crashes immediately upon attempt to boot. Won't come up at all with
> >it,
> > doesn't even load anything it appears. I did get to a desktop booting
> >from > a WB3.1 disk, but it died right after that.
>
> > It seems kinda sad that you have to install the libraries before
> > installing the board... my WarpEngine 040 doesn't require anything
> >fancy like that. Just put it in and it runs.
>
> CS has '060 that you are having the problem. '040 will work without its
> library.
>
> Have you tried booting with no startup? If you can boot to a shell, then
> fixing the library installation would be easy enough.
>
> > Oh... also, if I set the jumpers to INT, it doens't boot at all. Having
> > them on EXT is the only way it'll do anything but sit there and not even
> > send a signal to the monitor.
>
>
> > BTW, I also have a Picasso IV and an X-Surf in the machine. I had
gotten an
> > Oktagon SCSI board too, but it doesn't work at all.
>
> chip? Zorro boards with DMA won't work until you do.
Well, whatever has happened, the machine no longer works at all. I think
the disk controller chip went south while I was trying to get it up long
enough to install those stupid libraries. The hard drive, once the system
tries to access it, just starts making rapid head-seek noises, and
attempting to boot from floppy yields either nothing at all, or constant
disk errors. It won't boot at all with the WarpEngine in it now.
So... if it's the disk controller and I can fix it easily, great. If not,
the piece of shit goes up on eBay and I get as much out of it as I can.
Hell, either way it goes up on eBay... I'd just prefer to get it working
again. I'm afraid I've lost all patience with the thing. I haven't been
this frustrated with something in years.
What a complete and total waste of money... I coulda bought two high-end
PC's for what I paid for all this shit.
Rob
Patrick Ford
> Today I received a used CyberStorm Mk II (50 MHz 060) that I bought from
[....]
> over and over and over again. That's whether I boot from floppy or the hard
> drive. I remember the first number... 8000 000B, but I don't recall the
> second one.
At what stage does it crash? The last time I saw that happen was when I
installed WB3.5 and the 68040.library got over written with a real one. The
correct 68040.library is tiny, 700k or so, and is just a redirection dummy
to the real one and the 68060.library.
Thereiare some on Aminet--probably the latest.
If you have trouble obtaining the libs, email me and I'll send you the
archive..
The ones my wife has are working well in A4000 with CS '060/50 MKII.
This is from the notes in one of phase5's lib issue. Earlier issues did not
have 68040new.library. The whole lot together are a matched set, and you
can't mix up versions, particularly the dummy library renamed as
68040.library. Earlier ones didn't point to 68040new and 68040old, but
to 68040old only.
*******************************************************************
* To get a layout which works for every processor use this: *
* *
* 37.30 CBM 68040.library -> libs:68040old.library *
* Phase5 68040.library -> libs:68040new.library *
* Phase5 68060.library -> libs:68060.library *
* Phase5 68040dummy.library -> libs:68040.library *
* *
*******************************************************************
--
+ =====================+
|| Patrick Ford ||
|| Auckland, ||
|| Gnaw Thighland, NZ ||
+ =====================+
Patrick Ford
> It crashes immediately upon attempt to boot. Won't come up at all with
>it,
> doesn't even load anything it appears. I did get to a desktop booting
>from > a WB3.1 disk, but it died right after that.
> It seems kinda sad that you have to install the libraries before
> installing the board... my WarpEngine 040 doesn't require anything
>fancy like that. Just put it in and it runs.
It's got nothing to do with CyberStorm versus WarpEngine--it's because the
CS has '060 that you are having the problem. '040 will work without its
library.
Have you tried booting with no startup? If you can boot to a shell, then
fixing the library installation would be easy enough.
> Oh... also, if I set the jumpers to INT, it doens't boot at all. Having
> them on EXT is the only way it'll do anything but sit there and not even
> send a signal to the monitor.
Have you got the manual for the CS?
> BTW, I also have a Picasso IV and an X-Surf in the machine. I had gotten an
> Oktagon SCSI board too, but it doesn't work at all.
You must add only one expansion at a time! Do you have the upgraded Buster
chip? Zorro boards with DMA won't work until you do.
Patrick Ford
> So... if it's the disk controller and I can fix it easily, great. If
>not,
> the piece of shit goes up on eBay and I get as much out of it as I can.
> Hell, either way it goes up on eBay... I'd just prefer to get it working
> again. I'm afraid I've lost all patience with the thing. I haven't been
> this frustrated with something in years.
I'm sorry you've had this experience, and I do understand how you must
feel. We've all been through similiar frustrations.
> What a complete and total waste of money... I coulda bought two high-end
> PC's for what I paid for all this shit.
And you could have been having even been having far worse experiences with
them by now, with less chance of resolving them.
Patrick Ford
> There are a goodly number of us who have the latest archives on our own
> disks, and as long as the archives are 'unmolested', I see no real
> reason they can't be emailed to those who need them.
I think they should be molested. They probably contain files that are CS
MKIII specific. And people with MKII don't want those
>Bear in mind the
> latest version (68060-191099.lha) is a hair over 190k to email though.
> Its also considerably more 'stable' than those of a year earlier
> vintage.
I'm not sure what you mean by stability. My A3000 would go weeks without a
crash from when I bought CS '060, about three years ago. It was certainly
more stable thatn any '040 machine I've had. '060 is now in my wife's
A4000, and that immediately became more stable than it ever was with A3640,
even with libs from '98.
Marcel DeVoe
> >
>> There are a goodly number of us who have the latest archives on our own
>> disks, and as long as the archives are 'unmolested', I see no real
>> reason they can't be emailed to those who need them.
> I think they should be molested. They probably contain files that are CS
> MKIII specific. And people with MKII don't want those
I thought they were the same. I'm not 100% sure (and no way to check it
now that the site is down), but I thought even the 060 with the PPC cards
is the same. The only thing that "might" be different between the MKII and
III is the CyberSCSI flash programs. But I think that is separate from the
060 archives.
>>Bear in mind the
>> latest version (68060-191099.lha) is a hair over 190k to email though.
>> Its also considerably more 'stable' than those of a year earlier
>> vintage.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by stability. My A3000 would go weeks without a
> crash from when I bought CS '060, about three years ago. It was certainly
> more stable thatn any '040 machine I've had. '060 is now in my wife's
> A4000, and that immediately became more stable than it ever was with A3640,
> even with libs from '98.
Well, I know that running Netscape 4.0x under Mac emulation wouldn't work
at all and immediately crash the whole system, until the last couple of
archives Ralph included the SetFPUexceptions file in it.
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Marcel DeVoe
> "Patrick Ford " <pa...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:38B4C1D1.MD...@ihug.co.nz...
>> Have you got the manual for the CS?
If you don't have them, I have the manual scanned as IFF files suitable
for printing all archived and can email them if you need it.
I sent them to www.l8r.net but the guy never put them up and now it's too
late. I should probably make all the manuals I've scanned available on my
web site. Got quite a few.
> Hell, either way it goes up on eBay... I'd just prefer to get it working
> again. I'm afraid I've lost all patience with the thing. I haven't been
> this frustrated with something in years.
Calm down, take a deep breath and go out and buy a small cheap second hand
IDE drive. Drives will hang up an entire system and can do that to PC's
also. It's nothing new. I've hard hard drives hang my system also.
But just like I discovered with mine, it's possible that after opening the
4000 you wiggled a few zorro boards and the controller one just needs
reseating. Also try reseating the EPROM chip on the controller board.
Your computer's pretty old and contacts begin to corrode. Cleaning them
with a few reseats usually helps.
> What a complete and total waste of money... I coulda bought two high-end
> PC's for what I paid for all this shit.
Probably, but you could have bought a PC a couple of years ago and is now
relegated to the trash as you would have needed to buy a new one by now,
and no one will want your old one.
I am going to buy one eventually but will keep my Amiga around as a
comfortable hobby, and to play with to relax when I get REALLY frustrated
mucking around on that PC.
I fellow I work with is about to reformat his hard drive for the third
time this month to get rid of problems he has. And these are test
technicians who have had PC's for years so it's not like they don't know
what they are doing. They just don't know what the PC is doing. ;-)
Marcel DeVoe
> Marcel DeVoe wrote:
>
>> Well, I know that running Netscape 4.0x under Mac emulation wouldn't work
>> at all and immediately crash the whole system, until the last couple of
>> archives Ralph included the SetFPUexceptions file in it.
>
> think of it.
> What is your 68060.library version?
Currently 46.5
I have the new 46.7 but haven't gotten around to installing it yet.
Marcel DeVoe
>>It looks like you don't have the proper support libraries installed.
>>You need a dummy 68040.library and the 68060.library. They were available
>>from Phase5 before they went under. Don't know where to get them
>>currently.
> There are a goodly number of us who have the latest archives on our own
> disks, and as long as the archives are 'unmolested', I see no real
> reason they can't be emailed to those who need them. Bear in mind the
> latest version (68060-191099.lha) is a hair over 190k to email though.
> Its also considerably more 'stable' than those of a year earlier
> vintage.
Someone just informed the Fusion mailing list that the 060 libraries are
now available at DCE's web site.
"The Phase 5 060 libs and flash update are on the DCE web site. They are
linked from the FAQ. The direct address is
Good Luck, Bruce"
Robert Glover
"Marcel DeVoe" <mde...@shore.net> wrote in message
news:Ch8t4.326$nt.1...@news.shore.net...
> Robert Glover <spam@f-bo/REMOVE/dy.org> wrote:
>
> Calm down, take a deep breath and go out and buy a small cheap second hand
> IDE drive. Drives will hang up an entire system and can do that to PC's
> also. It's nothing new. I've hard hard drives hang my system also.
I have a stack of IDE drives here I can try. Maybe this weekend, but right
now my inclination is to dump the whole thing in the trashcan out back.
> But just like I discovered with mine, it's possible that after opening the
> 4000 you wiggled a few zorro boards and the controller one just needs
> reseating. Also try reseating the EPROM chip on the controller board.
Perhaps. The problem, however, is that I don't know what is where inside an
Amiga anymore. My last Amiga was an A1200 that I had from 93-94, and I got
this one only a few months ago. At one time I coulda told you where all the
chips were in any of the machines and what they were named, but now I have
no idea.
> Probably, but you could have bought a PC a couple of years ago and is now
> relegated to the trash as you would have needed to buy a new one by now,
> and no one will want your old one.
I've been doing PC's since 94, and my home system is a dual Celeron at 550
MHz w/512 meg of RAM and 52 gig of disk, a CD-RW, and a 19" monitor. I do
Internet programming and Systems Admin/DBA for a living. And yeah, I have
2-3 old PC's in the spare bedroom that nobody wants. :)
The point is that I don't really understand the Amiga anymore, and need to
re-learn it. However, I constantly run into situations where people are
using jargon I don't understand. Disk controller... where is that exactly
on the motherboard? Is it even ON the motherboard?
<sigh>
Rob
Terrance Richard Boyes
> Patrick Ford <pa...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>> >
>>> There are a goodly number of us who have the latest archives on our own
>>> disks, and as long as the archives are 'unmolested', I see no real
>>> reason they can't be emailed to those who need them.
>> I think they should be molested. They probably contain files that are CS
>> MKIII specific. And people with MKII don't want those
> I thought they were the same. I'm not 100% sure (and no way to check it
> now that the site is down), but I thought even the 060 with the PPC cards
> is the same. The only thing that "might" be different between the MKII and
They are, I have both an old CS-060 and a CS-PPC, my WB: is identical
on both of them (since the ppc libraries are of course ignored on the
MK-I card).
> III is the CyberSCSI flash programs. But I think that is separate from the
> 060 archives.
Yep, they're in files called "FlashUpdate" - the last one had,
BlizzPPC040, BlizzPPC060, MK3 and PPC updates ).
Was the MK-II flashable ?
[snip]
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Patrick Ford
> Well, I know that running Netscape 4.0x under Mac emulation wouldn't work
> at all and immediately crash the whole system, until the last couple of
> archives Ralph included the SetFPUexceptions file in it.
Ok I'll take that as proof enough. I always chck for new versions when I
think of it.
What is your 68060.library version?
Patrick Ford
> I fellow I work with is about to reformat his hard drive for the third
> time this month to get rid of problems he has.
I had to do that once within a month of getting my first HD. The problem I
had to get rid of was that I had made the WB partition too small. That's
the worst HD problem I've had on an Amiga so far. PC owners format and
re-install more often than I reboot.
Patrick Ford
> >> There are a goodly number of us who have the latest archives on our
> >> reason they can't be emailed to those who need them.
>
> >I think they should be molested. They probably contain files that are CS
> >MKIII specific. And people with MKII don't want those
I have downloaded the archive and it is just the libs. I thought it had
MKIII flashroms which are no use to MKII. I was wrong and I am severely
sorry and I am about to sincerely whip myself..
I see that the MKIII stuff is in separate archives.
> If they were specific, then why was the gvp cards the only ones I ever
> found that couldn't run this library kit, and do it far more stably in
> the case of 68040 setups than 37.30 ever thought of running?
So you reckon 37.30 was unstable? Interesting--I never used any other with
A3640, and it never occurred to me that the library was the case of all the
Line 1111 emulator errors, or the 8000 000B and 8000 0003 crashes.
I always blamed A3640 or A4000.
By the time the first "any processor" setup (with 68040new and 68040old)
appeared, I had stopped using the A3640. ut now you come to mention it,
I guess my A2000 with PPS '040 using the same library was about as bad.
It does make sense that emulator errors come from that library, since it is an
emulator.
> It runs on the PP&S Zeus, it runs on a F40, and it runs on any machine
> with a stock 3640 in it. The only one I couldn't make it run on was the
> single 060 we have, a gvp card.
Write to Ralph and tell him, enclosing any info you have on guru numbers
etc.
[...]
> >more stable thatn any '040 machine I've had. '060 is now in my wife's
> >A4000, and that immediately became more stable than it ever was with A3640,
> >even with libs from '98.
>
> The '98 libs weren't exactly clean, leaving out some badly needed FPU
> hooks. That was all those 'line 1111' errors everybody was seeing.
> Anyway, I'm not running them currently on this 040, but useing Thomas
> Richters MMUlib kit. Uptimes much better, even buggy software has a
> hard time bringing it down. _I_ choose when to reboot it now.
I had better try that. This Warpengine '040 is not as stable as I would
like it to be. I don't think the fault is the machine or the libs though.
Most of my crashes are from using YAM with Dopus5. Howver, I'll try
anything for a 0.05% improvement.
> That software was freely available for anonymous download. AFAIK that
> should allow it to be relayed as long as the archive is intact.
So how naughty was I sending Boingbag to a friend who was unable to stay
on line long enough to download it, in that I removed all the extraneous
stuff like foreign language catalogues and keymaps that I knew he would
certainly not want, and other stuff that he could not use because it was
hardware specific? Not naughty enough to feel the tiniest hint of guilt, I
think.
Marcel DeVoe
> "Marcel DeVoe" <mde...@shore.net> wrote in message
> news:Ch8t4.326$nt.1...@news.shore.net...
>> Robert Glover <spam@f-bo/REMOVE/dy.org> wrote:
>> But just like I discovered with mine, it's possible that after opening the
>> 4000 you wiggled a few zorro boards and the controller one just needs
>> reseating. Also try reseating the EPROM chip on the controller board.
> Perhaps. The problem, however, is that I don't know what is where inside an
> Amiga anymore. My last Amiga was an A1200 that I had from 93-94, and I got
> this one only a few months ago. At one time I coulda told you where all the
> chips were in any of the machines and what they were named, but now I have
> no idea.
Ah, then you must not know about Warren Block's A4000 Hardware Guide, do
you?
The most comprehensive compendium of components about the inerds of the
A4K around.
http://www.rapidnet.com/~wblock
Definately a most invaluable companion to the A4000 owner, bar none. :)
Granted it is a couple of years old since the last update, but the only
thing it doesn't have is info on the latest 060 CPU's and a couple of
Zorro cards, such as the newer Ariadne II.
But for all the basics and then some, it is all you really need.
There are also downloadable versions of the guide on Aminet in both
AmigaGuide and HTML format.
me
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>
> >Robert Glover wrote:
> >> I set the INT/EXT jumpers accordingly to EXT (they were already that way
> >> actually), but when the system boots, it always comes up with Software
> >> the hard drive. I remember the first number... 8000 000B, but I don't
> >> recall the second one.
>
> >You need a dummy 68040.library and the 68060.library. They were available
> >from Phase5 before they went under. Don't know where to get them
> >currently.
>
> disks, and as long as the archives are 'unmolested', I see no real
> latest version (68060-191099.lha) is a hair over 190k to email though.
> Its also considerably more 'stable' than those of a year earlier
> vintage.
>
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