AGA emulator ?
P-O Yliniemi
A weird thing I found on the first Aminet CD. This program is no longer
available throught Aminet...
****************** README.FIRST **********************
I am a former PWS engineer now currently employed in sales support at
Commodore. After sitting on the sidelines for months while speculation mounted
as to the possibility of a software hack to allow ECS machines to run AGA
software, I have finally decided to release this copy of SoftAGA, which is a
product that will never reach the market legitimately, now that Commodore have
crushed PWS in a swift legal challenge. What the heck, I've never signed an
NDA, so here it is.
Oh yes, the program *WORKS* !! I own an Amiga 2500HD and have been enjoying
the AGA chipset for some time now. It DOES require a lot of initial tweaking
to adjust the parameters to your system, however I assure you the results are
worth it! Have fun...
Codename: ORION.
******************* SoftAGA.doc **********************
SoftAGA © PWS 1993
"Bringing the power of the AGA chipset to all Amiga users"
The Super Amiga
They said it couldn't be done. After six gruelling months in development,
over 350,000 lines of assembly code and 5325 cinnamon rats later, the power of
the AGA chipset can finally be unleashed on your ECS Amiga. What's more, PWS'
own custom HyperAcceleratron(TM) system has been combined to bring you the
ultimate software upgrade for your computer: SoftAGA. Features include full
AGA emulation including HAM8 on any ECS machine, and fully transparent
operation. Emulation of any 680x0 processor is also supported.
"It'll Never Ship"
In late 1992, Team AGA moved away from the rest of PWS to a secret
location codenamed "AlCapone". Normal office hours, regular phone calls, usual
interuptions. They worked 35 hours a week. They invented bizarre tricks to
drive the 68000, and the old ECS chips to amazing levels of performance. They
grew their own. They didn't pay the phone or electricity bills. They were
fired, and rehired. They fought with management "The paper clips were always
kept in THIS drawer." In the dark, they evolved strange hardware hacks to
emulate expensive appliances (A3000 fan became an industrial air conditioner,
2 A500's running at 150Mhz became a toaster). Writing SoftAGA became a more
ambitious project than the AGA Chipset itself!
"We have AGA"
Late one night, in February 1993, the engineers powered up our old beat up
A500 on which we'd been working for the past 6 months. There was a problem.
Yet another motherboard and two power supplies later, the A500 was powered up
again, this time sporting a 256 colour Workbench. The AGA A500 was born. After
suitable celebrations the race was on to bring the AGA chipset within reach of
the 3.5 million other Amiga users worldwide. Before you are the fruits of our
labour. We hope you enjoy SoftAGA.
And by the way, the lights are still off at 'Capone.
Using SoftAGA
REQUIREMENTS: At least 1.5Mb memory, ECS chipset,
KickStart 2.04, WorkBench 2.1.
To install SoftAGA, copy SoftAGA.prefs to your env: drawer, and assign the
SoftAGA home volume.
The program will patch your KickStart and WorkBench functions to be fully
AGA compatible. The kick.patch file is used for this.
Development of SoftAGA has been achieved using the latest techniques in
PCR (programmable circuit rerouting). By studying each chip in the regular ECS
chipset, down at the gate level, we have manage to replicate the various
characteristics that make the AGA chipset superior. As a result, certain
facilities may be temporarily disabled, such as sound, since the emulation
requires the use of the Paula chip to take over some of the new Lisa
functions. The CPU takes over most of the other facilities. Normally this
would slow the system down considerably, however we have manage to incorperate
an experimental version of our new HyperAcceleratron(TM) system (to be
available seperately in a few month's time) to enable the system to reach a
suprisingly fast overall speed, even on a stock A500. Details of the
HyperAcceleratron(TM) system will not be divulged here, however part of the
secret lies in the software control of chip clock speeds. A super-fast
oscillation circuit is set up within one of the custom chips, which is then
distributed along the buses using a custom propagation system far more
advanced than the standard digital pulse method.
The above explains the delicate nature of the AGA emulation that SoftAGA
employs. While our competitors have opted for an incomplete simulation (no
HAM8 or high resolutions), we have been able to include all AGA facilities in
the one package, with only a small amount of effort required on the part of
the user in the initial boot parameters.
Although most users expect the ECS chipset to behave in the same way on
all machines, our SoftAGA routines operate on the edges of tolerance for most
of these components, and so to compensate of varied quality control, it was
necessary to allow the user to change some critical parameters in order for
SoftAGA to work on all machines. If your settings are incorrect, the
simulation will not proceed and a system error may occur (or worse). It is
therefore imperitive to ensure that these parameters are set correctly for
your setup. This is explained below:
(A600 and A500+ treat as A500 for below)
Col_Pri_Ack: (0-63) Must be set to 23 for any A2000 series computer, adding 2
for every external storage present, and 4 for any cards present (including
SCSI cards). Must be set to 41 for any A500 series, adding 3 for each
motherboard revision above 4. Any external devices plugged into the left side
connector must be treated as for the A2000. Must be set to 5 for an A3000,
adding as per A2000. Subtract your CPU speed in megahertz.
Sys_Verify: (1-10) Must be set to 1, adding 2 for each CPU revision above
68000. Subtract 1 if you have a 68881 chip, or two if you have a 68882 chip.
Calib_TimeOut: (0-15) Set to 7, subtract 5 if you have an MMU, add 2 for an
A500 and subtract the Intel CPU version of any IBM emulators attached.
Def_BitPlanes: (1-8) Don't touch this unless specifically instructed by the
prgram.
All other controls are self explanitory. Good luck in the world of AGA!
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Warren Block
P-O Yliniemi (peo...@algonet.se) wrote:
: A weird thing I found on the first Aminet CD. This program is no longer
: available throught Aminet...
[SoftAGA]
From the IFAQ:
Q. I've heard of a software emulator that provides AGA compatibility for
machines without the AGA chipset. Does it work?
A. Sure it does! Commodore just wanted to force stupid people to pay for a
new computer... No, it doesn't work.
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Yeah, but does it work? Have you tried it out yet?
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Ken B
peo...@algonet.se (P-O Yliniemi) wrote:
>
>A weird thing I found on the first Aminet CD. This program is no longer
>available throught Aminet...
>
>****************** README.FIRST **********************
>
>I am a former PWS engineer now currently employed in sales support at
>Commodore. After sitting on the sidelines for months while speculation mounted
>as to the possibility of a software hack to allow ECS machines to run AGA
>software, I have finally decided to release this copy of SoftAGA, which is a
>product that will never reach the market legitimately, now that Commodore have
>crushed PWS in a swift legal challenge. What the heck, I've never signed an
>NDA, so here it is.
>
>Oh yes, the program *WORKS* !! I own an Amiga 2500HD and have been enjoying
>the AGA chipset for some time now. It DOES require a lot of initial tweaking
>to adjust the parameters to your system, however I assure you the results are
>worth it! Have fun...
>
>
******************************************************
>
> _____________________________________________ _________________________
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>
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
Does this require a 2meg Agnus, or does the 1meg ECS Agnus work? Will
this work with ShapeShifter?
Thanks,
Ken B.
Marcel Devoe
P-O Yliniemi (peo...@algonet.se) wrote:
> A weird thing I found on the first Aminet CD. This program is no longer
> available throught Aminet...
> ****************** README.FIRST **********************
> I am a former PWS engineer now currently employed in sales support at
> Commodore. After sitting on the sidelines for months while speculation mounted
> as to the possibility of a software hack to allow ECS machines to run AGA
> software, I have finally decided to release this copy of SoftAGA, which is a
> product that will never reach the market legitimately, now that Commodore have
> crushed PWS in a swift legal challenge. What the heck, I've never signed an
> NDA, so here it is.
I got this program from Genie once. I still have it but I wasn't able to
get it to work on my 2000 68000 28mhz. Although I didn't try very hard
as I thought it was a joke anyways.
MDEVOE
mde...@shore.net
Eric GIGUERE
In article <322650b...@news.alt.net>, brad...@infinet.com says...
Hello,
>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
~~~~~~~
>Does this require a 2meg Agnus, or does the 1meg ECS Agnus work? Will
>this work with ShapeShifter?
nothing :-) it's a joke....
R. Giannini
>******************* SoftAGA.doc **********************
>The Super Amiga
> They said it couldn't be done. After six gruelling months in development,
>over 350,000 lines of assembly code and 5325 cinnamon rats later, the power of
>the AGA chipset can finally be unleashed on your ECS Amiga. What's more, PWS'
>own custom HyperAcceleratron(TM) system has been combined to bring you the
>ultimate software upgrade for your computer: SoftAGA. Features include full
>AGA emulation including HAM8 on any ECS machine, and fully transparent
>operation. Emulation of any 680x0 processor is also supported.
>"It'll Never Ship"
> In late 1992, Team AGA moved away from the rest of PWS to a secret
>location codenamed "AlCapone". Normal office hours, regular phone calls, usual
>interuptions. They worked 35 hours a week. They invented bizarre tricks to
>drive the 68000, and the old ECS chips to amazing levels of performance. They
>grew their own. They didn't pay the phone or electricity bills. They were
Sounds like the old original Video Toaster print ads. Anyway, SoftAGA is
a joke. It doesn't exist. However, I heard that there may be an AGA card
for ECS Amigas on the way (if not out already).
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Joseph Waldvogel
What I would like to know is WHY is that program still on Aminet after
all these years. What's the point?
Paul McLeod
R. Giannini (u901...@muss.cis.McMaster.CA) wrote:
: Sounds like the old original Video Toaster print ads. Anyway, SoftAGA is
: for ECS Amigas on the way (if not out already).
Correct on both Rich! (And you know it, you sly dog! ;^)
PS: Nice new sig...
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Ken B (brad...@infinet.com) wrote:
: peo...@algonet.se (P-O Yliniemi) wrote:
: >A weird thing I found on the first Aminet CD. This program is no longer
: >available throught Aminet...
That's because it's a big hoax for *suckers*
: Does this require a 2meg Agnus, or does the 1meg ECS Agnus work? Will
: this work with ShapeShifter?
It doesn't "work" at all. It's a joke, and the joke's on you. :-)
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Joern Plewka [am]
joe...@a.crl.com (Joseph Waldvogel) -> "Re: AGA emulator ?"
(30.08.1996)
> >In article <322650b...@news.alt.net>, brad...@infinet.com says...
> >Hello,
>
>
> >>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
> > ~~~~~~~
^^^
^^^^^
^^ ^ ^^
^
^
^
> >>Does this require a 2meg Agnus, or does the 1meg ECS Agnus work? Will
> >>this work with ShapeShifter?
>
> >nothing :-) it's a joke....
>
> What I would like to know is WHY is that program still on Aminet after
> all these years. What's the point?
Why there are other jokes!?
--http://users.informatik.fh-hamburg.de/~plewka_j
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Mathew R. Ignash
On 30 Aug 96 17:20:00 -800, joe...@a.crl.com (Joseph Waldvogel)
wrote:
>
> >In article <322650b...@news.alt.net>, brad...@infinet.com
says...
> >Hello,
>
>
> >>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
> > ~~~~~~~
> >>Does this require a 2meg Agnus, or does the 1meg ECS Agnus work?
Will
> >>this work with ShapeShifter?
>
> >nothing :-) it's a joke....
>
> What I would like to know is WHY is that program still on Aminet
after
> all these years. What's the point?
>
>
>
Probably they should be moved to the games/gag section.
Amiga... Back for the future!!!
Stop the Browneout!!! Contact http://www.harrybrowne96.org/ to see
what the major media is behind the times with.
John H. Snow
>
>>
>>A weird thing I found on the first Aminet CD. This program is no longer
>>available throught Aminet...
>>
>>
>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
Notoice the directory this is posted under--Funstuff? Hint, hint,
>
>Does this require a 2meg Agnus, or does the 1meg ECS Agnus work? Will
>this work with ShapeShifter?
>
>Thanks,
>Ken B.
P-O Yliniemi
At 02-Sep-96 13:59:29 Mathew R. Ignash (mig...@rust.net) wrote:
>On 30 Aug 96 17:20:00 -800, joe...@a.crl.com (Joseph Waldvogel)
>wrote:
>>
>> >In article <322650b...@news.alt.net>, brad...@infinet.com
>says...
>> >Hello,
>>
>>
>> >>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
>> > ~~~~~~~
>> >>Does this require a 2meg Agnus, or does the 1meg ECS Agnus work?
>Will
>> >>this work with ShapeShifter?
>>
>> >nothing :-) it's a joke....
>>
>> What I would like to know is WHY is that program still on Aminet
>after
>> all these years. What's the point?
>>
>>
>>
Funet:/pub/amiga _is not_ Aminet...
>Probably they should be moved to the games/gag section.
The file was in game/gag on Aminet CD no. 1, but have not appeared on any other
of the Aminet CD's, and is removed from Aminet. Aminet CD 9 had a focus on games
but SoftAGA was not included.
>Amiga... Back for the future!!!
>Stop the Browneout!!! Contact http://www.harrybrowne96.org/ to see
>what the major media is behind the times with.
---
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Christian Wasner
Ken B (brad...@infinet.com) wrote about Re: AGA emulator ?:
>peo...@algonet.se (P-O Yliniemi) wrote:
>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
What did the text say ? Programmable circuit re-routing ? Wow, now I
know how they made A1200s. Simply take an A500+, run the emulator,
and the circuits are permanently re-routed ;-) Only Amiga makes it
possible...
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P-O Yliniemi
At 03-Sep-96 04:32:20 John H. Snow (john...@mail.myriad.net) wrote:
>In article <322650b...@news.alt.net>, brad...@infinet.com says...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>A weird thing I found on the first Aminet CD. This program is no longer
>>>available throught Aminet...
>>>
>>>
>>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
>Notoice the directory this is posted under--Funstuff? Hint, hint,
but is it _impossible_ to emulate the AGA chip set - I really don't think so, if
this is done by someone who developed the chip set...
>>
>>Does this require a 2meg Agnus, or does the 1meg ECS Agnus work? Will
>>this work with ShapeShifter?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ken B.
---
P-O
P-O Yliniemi
At 02-Sep-96 13:59:29 Mathew R. Ignash (mig...@rust.net) wrote:
>On 30 Aug 96 17:20:00 -800, joe...@a.crl.com (Joseph Waldvogel)
>>
>> >In article <322650b...@news.alt.net>, brad...@infinet.com
>says...
>> >Hello,
>>
>>
>> >>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
>> > ~~~~~~~
>> >>Does this require a 2meg Agnus, or does the 1meg ECS Agnus work?
>Will
>> >>this work with ShapeShifter?
>>
>> >nothing :-) it's a joke....
>>
>> What I would like to know is WHY is that program still on Aminet
>after
>> all these years. What's the point?
>>
>>
>>
Funet:/pub/amiga _is not_ Aminet...
>Probably they should be moved to the games/gag section.
The file was in game/gag on Aminet CD no. 1, but have not appeared on any other
of the Aminet CD's, and is removed from Aminet. Aminet CD 9 had a focus on games
but SoftAGA was not included.
>Amiga... Back for the future!!!
>Stop the Browneout!!! Contact http://www.harrybrowne96.org/ to see
>what the major media is behind the times with.
---
P-o
:=Rob=:
> but is it _impossible_ to emulate the AGA chip set - I really don't think so, if
> this is done by someone who developed the chip set...
Laws of physics dont change, even if youwere the one who discovered them.
At the very least, just consider trying to emulate 14MHz (or whatever)
hardware on 7MHz hardware, not a chance.
Eric GIGUERE
Hello,
In article <1397.6820...@algonet.se>, peo...@algonet.se says...
>but is it _impossible_ to emulate the AGA chip set - I really don't
think >so, if this is done by someone who developed the chip set...
In Amiga-News (french revue) ;
AGA-GO from "DCE Computer Service" (germany)
It's a small card (three models)
- 32 bits version with a 68EC020
- 16 bits version, no processeur (very slow for AGA)
- CD32 version and AGA GO
All with IDE/AT port, Ram 32 bits, a socket(?) (150 pins), 2mo chip
ram and chips AGA
Price : DM 600
Christian Wasner
Joseph Waldvogel (joe...@a.crl.com) wrote about Re: AGA emulator ?:
>>In article <322650b...@news.alt.net>, brad...@infinet.com says...
>>Hello,
>>>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
>> ~~~~~~~
>>>Does this require a 2meg Agnus, or does the 1meg ECS Agnus work? Will
>>>this work with ShapeShifter?
>>nothing :-) it's a joke....
>What I would like to know is WHY is that program still on Aminet after
>all these years. What's the point?
The point is that this joke still fools people. If somebody doesn't
like jokes or funstuff, he shouldn't download them ;-)
Alan Lloyd
-> From: peo...@algonet.se (P-O Yliniemi)
-> Newsgroups:
-> comp.sys.amiga.emulations,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.
-> misc Subject: AGA emulator ?
-> Organization: AlgoNet Public Access Node, Stockholm
->
->
-> A weird thing I found on the first Aminet CD. This program is no
-> longer available throught Aminet...
->
-> ****************** README.FIRST **********************
->
-> I am a former PWS engineer now currently employed in sales
-> support at
-> Commodore. After sitting on the sidelines for months while
-> speculation mounted
-> as to the possibility of a software hack to allow ECS machines
-> to run AGA
-> software, I have finally decided to release this copy of SoftAGA,
Not again. This is _bogus_! SoftAGA does not, can not, will not work.
Ever. Enjoy your crashes, guys!
P-O Yliniemi
At 03-Sep-96 21:43:07 :=Rob=: (rldi...@puc.edu) wrote:
>> but is it _impossible_ to emulate the AGA chip set - I really don't think
>> so, if this is done by someone who developed the chip set...
>Laws of physics dont change, even if youwere the one who discovered them.
>At the very least, just consider trying to emulate 14MHz (or whatever)
>hardware on 7MHz hardware, not a chance.
The speed isn't important in this case. Maybe emulating a slow AGA chip set ?
Saw that SoftAGA also has a CPU emulator... emulate 040 on 000, software turbo
of up to 30*A500 :-)
---
P-O
Nathan Clark
:=Rob=: <rldi...@puc.edu> wrote:
: > but is it _impossible_ to emulate the AGA chip set - I really don't think so, if
: > this is done by someone who developed the chip set...
: Laws of physics dont change, even if youwere the one who discovered them.
: At the very least, just consider trying to emulate 14MHz (or whatever)
: hardware on 7MHz hardware, not a chance.
7mhz would certianly suck but for 020+/gfx card it shouldnt be a problem,
they are doing it on unix/ibm/mac with UAE...Im sure someone could make
something for amiga that could do it as well (better I hope)
Nathan Clark
cla...@primenet.com
Brendan Heading
flibble smeerie P-O Yliniemi, neaaarrriiiee Re: AGA emulator ? larmy wibble
wibble waltz...
>>>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
>>Notoice the directory this is posted under--Funstuff? Hint, hint,
>but is it _impossible_ to emulate the AGA chip set - I really don't think so,
>if this is done by someone who developed the chip set...
You need to learn some basic electronics and laws of physics then. What the
guy spoke about sounded technically impressive, but in reality it's like
saying "You can walk through walls" or "If you cut your leg off you'll grow
another one" - ie utter nonsense.
The fact that he developed the chip set doesn't mean that he can rewrite the
laws of physics!!!!!
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flibble smeerie :=Rob=:, neaaarrriiiee Re: AGA emulator ? larmy wibble wibble
waltz...
>> but is it _impossible_ to emulate the AGA chip set - I really don't think
>> so, if this is done by someone who developed the chip set...
>Laws of physics dont change, even if youwere the one who discovered them.
>At the very least, just consider trying to emulate 14MHz (or whatever)
>hardware on 7MHz hardware, not a chance.
Yeah, or emulate a ZIP drive using your standard Amiga floppy; try and
multitask using Windows 3.0; run Lightwave in 1MB RAM; browse the web using
Ibrowse without crashing.......
I'm sure you get the picture :)
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Brendan Heading
flibble smeerie Eric GIGUERE, neaaarrriiiee Re: AGA emulator ? = Reality it's a
card larmy wibble wibble waltz...
>>but is it _impossible_ to emulate the AGA chip set - I really don't
>think >so, if this is done by someone who developed the chip set...
> AGA-GO from "DCE Computer Service" (germany)
> It's a small card (three models)
> - 32 bits version with a 68EC020
Sounds like an A1200 :)
> - 16 bits version, no processeur (very slow for AGA)
As far as I know the AGA chipset was 32 bit, so this is a load of rubbish.
> All with IDE/AT port, Ram 32 bits, a socket(?) (150 pins), 2mo chip
> ram and chips AGA
You cannot simply plug the chipset into the Amiga and integrate it exactly as
if it was a replacement for the existing chipset. The Amiga wasn't designed to
allow for it. Hell, the Amiga has to have enough kludges to drive the other
video cards available for it! Even they don't integrate fully into the system.
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Ryan O Wade
I found AGAEmul10.lha on the Aminet, it will allow users with ECS Amigas
and a Graphics card to run some AGA software. I don't know if that counts
as AGA Emulation, but It does seem to work. Of course the user has to be
in OS3.xx mode for it to work as well, but it seems to be doing the job.
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Christian Lyng
Christia...@hamburg.netsurf.de (Christian Wasner) wrote:
>Ken B (brad...@infinet.com) wrote about Re: AGA emulator ?:
>>peo...@algonet.se (P-O Yliniemi) wrote:
>>ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/misc/funstuff/SoftAGA.lha
>What did the text say ? Programmable circuit re-routing ? Wow, now I
>know how they made A1200s. Simply take an A500+, run the emulator,
>and the circuits are permanently re-routed ;-) Only Amiga makes it
>possible...
SURE I must try this on my A3000 :-) or a PC maybe it will turn into a
A4000 pentium!, who ever think this program is serious do have a
serious problem!!, anybody remember the program that made the the baud
rate look twice as high!, a lot of people belived that their modem was
going twice as fast - maybe it is the same people who use the AGA
emulator program, GEE I have a A500 AGA with a 57600 modem!!
Christian Lyng
Jonas Thorell
Brendan Heading (li...@heading.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>flibble smeerie :=Rob=:, neaaarrriiiee Re: AGA emulator ? larmy wibble wibble
>waltz...
>>> but is it _impossible_ to emulate the AGA chip set - I really don't think
>>> so, if this is done by someone who developed the chip set...
>>Laws of physics dont change, even if youwere the one who discovered them.
>>At the very least, just consider trying to emulate 14MHz (or whatever)
>>hardware on 7MHz hardware, not a chance.
>Yeah, or emulate a ZIP drive using your standard Amiga floppy; try and
>multitask using Windows 3.0; run Lightwave in 1MB RAM; browse the web using
>Ibrowse without crashing.......
>I'm sure you get the picture :)
Sure, but why would one want to emulate AGA in the first place? Running
demos? BTW, it's possible to use Ibrowse without crashing.
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Brendan Heading wrote:
>
> flibble smeerie Eric GIGUERE, neaaarrriiiee Re: AGA emulator ? = Reality it's a
>
> >>but is it _impossible_ to emulate the AGA chip set - I really don't
> >think >so, if this is done by someone who developed the chip set...
>
>
> > It's a small card (three models)
>
> > - 32 bits version with a 68EC020
>
> Sounds like an A1200 :)
>
> > - 16 bits version, no processeur (very slow for AGA)
>
> As far as I know the AGA chipset was 32 bit, so this is a load of rubbish.
>
> > All with IDE/AT port, Ram 32 bits, a socket(?) (150 pins), 2mo chip
> > ram and chips AGA
>
> You cannot simply plug the chipset into the Amiga and integrate it exactly as
> if it was a replacement for the existing chipset. The Amiga wasn't designed to
> allow for it. Hell, the Amiga has to have enough kludges to drive the other
> video cards available for it! Even they don't integrate fully into the system.
I heard from a friend once who went into C='s westchester site
regularly that he saw a Zorro-III card with all of the AGA chips on it
and extra disk-drive connectors. Apperently this card was designed to
plug into A3000's to give them AGA graphics. It's hard to believe
though, since I don't think the Zorro bus maps custom-chip addresses
onto it.
-Brett
Paul Shandi
Alain Berguerand wrote:
> This is what is done on C64 emulators for instance. Emulating a 16 colours, 1 MHz
> c64 on my 40MHz 68EC030 Amiga gives me only 2/3 of the C64 speed (Frodo).
Yeah, but Frodo's slow to start with. Try MagiC64 and you'll get about 95% C64
speed, and A64 on my A1200 gives me 100% C64 speed with 99% of C64 games.
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Brendan Heading
flibble smeerie Jonas Thorell, neaaarrriiiee Re: AGA emulator ? larmy wibble
wibble waltz...
>Brendan Heading (li...@heading.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>>Yeah, or emulate a ZIP drive using your standard Amiga floppy; try and
>>multitask using Windows 3.0; run Lightwave in 1MB RAM; browse the web using
>>Ibrowse without crashing.......
>>I'm sure you get the picture :)
>Sure, but why would one want to emulate AGA in the first place?
Well, considering ECS is in fact not as good as AGA......
> Running
>demos? BTW, it's possible to use Ibrowse without crashing.
With immense difficulty :)
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MagerValp
>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Shandi <shan...@fl.net.au> writes:
Paul> Alain Berguerand wrote:
>> This is what is done on C64 emulators for instance. Emulating a 16
>> colours, 1 MHz c64 on my 40MHz 68EC030 Amiga gives me only 2/3 of
>> the C64 speed (Frodo).
Paul> Yeah, but Frodo's slow to start with. Try MagiC64 and you'll get
Paul> about 95% C64 speed, and A64 on my A1200 gives me 100% C64 speed
Paul> with 99% of C64 games.
hmm. 99% of which games? A64 compability is practically non-existent,
hardly any games work with it,
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Brendan Heading (li...@heading.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>flibble smeerie Jonas Thorell, neaaarrriiiee Re: AGA emulator ? larmy wibble
>wibble waltz...
>>>I'm sure you get the picture :)
>>Sure, but why would one want to emulate AGA in the first place?
>Well, considering ECS is in fact not as good as AGA......
True, but AGA isn't exactly state-of-the-art, is it? Besides, even if it
was possible it would be dreadfully slow.
>>BTW, it's possible to use Ibrowse without crashing.
>With immense difficulty :)
Not here...maybe I'm lucky.
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Arlanni
My question is: What's the point? The AGA chipset is so slow, so
expensive, and the fact you have to deal with the Zorro Bottleneck makes
me wonder why anyone would bother? Even the good old Picasso-II runs
RINGS around the AGA chipset and this is only a Zorro II card.
Jouni Korhonen
Arlanni <arl...@aol.com> wrote:
: My question is: What's the point? The AGA chipset is so slow, so
: expensive, and the fact you have to deal with the Zorro Bottleneck makes
: me wonder why anyone would bother? Even the good old Picasso-II runs
: RINGS around the AGA chipset and this is only a Zorro II card.
I'd like to play some AGA (hardware banging) games.. ;D
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Paul Shandi
MagerValp wrote:
> hmm. 99% of which games? A64 compability is practically non-existent,
> hardly any games work with it,
Well, with A64 I can play at 100% C64 speed the following:
1942, Action Biker, Aliens, Archon, Asterix, BombJack, Blue Max,
Cops And Robbers, Donald Duck, Hover Bovver, Impossible Mission,
Hover Bovver, Night Mission Pinball, Pitfall II, Skool Daze,
Spy vs Spy, etc, etc.
All the above are resident in my A64 games directory. What games
have you tried that don't work, so I can see for myself?
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Frostycat
In article <1012.682...@bahnhof.se>, Jonas Thorell
<jon...@bahnhof.se> writes
>
>Brendan Heading (li...@heading.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>>flibble smeerie Jonas Thorell, neaaarrriiiee Re: AGA emulator ? larmy wibble
>>wibble waltz...
>
>>>>I'm sure you get the picture :)
>
>>>Sure, but why would one want to emulate AGA in the first place?
>
>>Well, considering ECS is in fact not as good as AGA......
>
>True, but AGA isn't exactly state-of-the-art, is it? Besides, even if it
>was possible it would be dreadfully slow.
>
>>>BTW, it's possible to use Ibrowse without crashing.
You CAN if fact emulate AGA on ECS machines (cue abuse being flamed at
me), but it REALLY is true! God knows if it works or not, but if you
find AMIGA COMPUTINGs web site (try Lycos), and goto PURE AMIGA (try
Lycos again if it's not in AC), they actually hold information on
obtaining the ECS AGA emulator. Apparently Commodore (bless 'em) were
working on it before they went bankrupt and an ex-engineer finished the
product. It allows you to run full AGA with little slow-down on an A500,
but it's very processor-intensive. If you do find the archive (ftp) then
be careful because Commodore went through alot of A500s and powerpacks
running the program. When in the PURE AMIGA website, it's found under
something like a "True or False" or "Fact or Fiction" section.
Oh yeah, is anyone out there anygood on ProTracker?
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