Upgrading Amiga 3000 with Kickstart 3.1
rudy.sc...@pandora.be
Configuration :
A3000
Motherboard Rev 7.0
Kickstart 2.0
SCSI Hard drive
External Apple CDrom 600e
The kickroms 2.0 are fitted in a romtower.
I tried to replace the kickroms 2.0 by (brand new) kickroms 3.1.
But the computer acts weird :
1. Inserting the kickroms 3.1 and not changing anything makes the
computer not to boot.
After a while I get the message "Software failure ... Press left mouse
key..."
2. Inserting the kickroms 3.1 and disconnecting the hard drive makes
that the computer shows the startup-screen, asking me to insert a
floppy drive. When I insert for exemple the "install" disk of OS3.1
the computer starts charging but hangs itself showing the message
"Software failure ... Press left mouse key..."
3. When I remove the kickroms 3.1 and change them with the original
kickroms 2.0 everything works fine.
So my problem is point 1 and 2, how can I upgrade my A3000 so I can
use OS3.9 ?
Anyone has a clew why the computer won't boot ?
Jerry Heyman
(rudy.sc...@pandora.be) wrote:
> Recently I have bought an Amiga 3000.
> Configuration :
> A3000
> Motherboard Rev 7.0
> Kickstart 2.0
> SCSI Hard drive
> External Apple CDrom 600e
>
> The kickroms 2.0 are fitted in a romtower.
> I tried to replace the kickroms 2.0 by (brand new) kickroms 3.1.
I did this upgrade over 10yrs ago, so I can't remember how it's
done correctly. There was something 'funny' about putting the
kickroms into the tower - exactly what escapes me after all this
time.
I found my install manuals, the ROMS that were removed, but not
the installation instructions :-(
I visited
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/
chose the European Store and selected Amiga[35] off the left hand menu.
Going to the second page, near the bottom they claim to have A3000 kickstart
in stock - WITH installation instructions.
They may be willing to send/sell the installation instructions
to you... After searching the internet for two hours, I'm
surprised that this information isn't available on-line.
Good luck,
jerry
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PK
every Amiga want his own 3.1 kickstart version...
Maybe you could had plugged a 4000 version or something else...?
bye!
rudy.sc...@pandora.be ha scritto:
Klompmeester
<rudy.sc...@pandora.be> wrote in message
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Try booting and holding down both mouse buttons to get to the boot menu.
Then select the option to boot without the startup sequence and boot the
system. When you get to the CLI type" loadwb"and press enter.
Does workbench come up now?
Something in your startup-sequence might not like 3.1.
jaesonk
> I tried to replace the kickroms 2.0 by (brand new) kickroms 3.1.
I had an early A3000 with ROM Tower and upgraded with 3.1 ROMs. I got
the ROMs backwards the first time and it wouldn't boot.
The new ROMs must be installed in the same orientation as the old ROMs
on the tower. Don't install them directly on the motherboard.
Getting the ROMs swapped or going the wrong way will also give
problems. Be careful with all the pins involved. After correctly
installing the ROMs on the tower, double-check for bent pins. Then
carefully reinstall the tower. You should be good to go.
I think someone else also mentioned making sure that you have the
correct 3.1 ROMs for an A3000. A3000 models have their own versions
of 3.1 ROMs. A500s and A2000s can share the same ROMs.
Jaeson K.
Nyle Landas
you have a bad 3.1 floppy? Your battery hasn't leaked on the board has
it? Check that your memory is seated properly and if you have addin
zorro cards that each is compatible with 3.1. Does check that the 3.1
roms don't require special jumpering to the system board like on some
models of Amiga.
Thats the best I can do with available info.
-Nyle
rudy.sc...@pandora.be
The kickroms are brand new, I bought them at "Vesalia.com" in Germany,
especially for A3000.
They must be working fine because when I disconnect the hard disk I
get the purple Kickstart-screen 3.1.
Or it must have something to do with jumpers or so...
It is weird when I disconnect the hard disk that the OS3.1 floppy
disks can't be read (for exemple nor the workbench, nor the install
disk)
When I boot the computer and hold down the 2 mouse buttons, I get the
boot-menu. When I select to boot without sequence, I get the amigados-
screen. There I can select for exemple my hard disk and type in
commands.
When I type "Loadwb" I get the message, not an executable file.
rudy.sc...@pandora.be
is something wrong in it ?
C:SetPatch QUIET
Version >NIL:
AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15
FailAt 21
MakeDir RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys
Copy >NIL: ENVARC: RAM:ENV ALL NOREQ
Assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV
Assign >NIL: T: RAM:T
Assign >NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards
Assign >NIL: REXX: S:
Assign >NIL: PRINTERS: DEVS:Printers
Assign >NIL: KEYMAPS: DEVS:Keymaps
Assign >NIL: LOCALE: SYS:Locale
IF NOT EXISTS SYS:Fonts
Assign FONTS:
EndIF
BindDrivers
Mount >NIL: DEVS:DOSDrivers/~(#?.info)
Resident >NIL: C:Execute PURE
IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors
List >NIL: DEVS:Monitors/~(#?.info) TO T:M LFORMAT "DEVS:Monitors/
%s"
Execute T:M
Delete >NIL: T:M
EndIF
SetEnv Workbench $Workbench
SetEnv Kickstart $Kickstart
SetEnv CDROM_DEVICE scsi.device
SetEnv CDROM_UNIT 2
UnSet Workbench
UnSet Kickstart
IPrefs
Echo "Amiga Release 2.1. Kickstart $Kickstart, Workbench $Workbench"
ConClip
Path >NIL: RAM: C: SYS:Utilities SYS:Rexxc SYS:System S: SYS:Prefs
SYS:WBStartup SYS:Tools SYS:Tools/Commodities
IF EXISTS S:User-Startup
Execute S:User-Startup
EndIF
Resident Execute REMOVE
LoadWB
EndCLI >NIL:
Klompmeester
<rudy.sc...@pandora.be> wrote in message
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This is the startup sequence on my A3000, can anyone guess where there
is something wrong in it ?
Try removing setpatch line for shits and giggles. Has been known to cause
compatibility problems.
If that stops your Amiga from crashing, try copying the Setpatch from the
3.1 install disks to the C: directory on the harddrive and try again.
rudy.sc...@pandora.be
startup-sequence and it works.
Thanks very much !!!
I already installed os3.1 and everything works.
Now I still have to install my external SCSI Apple cd-rom.
I use Amicdfs for that ?
Once the cdrom installed I can install 3.5 and then 3.9.
Daniele Gratteri
> Now I still have to install my external SCSI Apple cd-rom.
>
> I use Amicdfs for that ?
Yes, it is a very good file system, otherwise you can use the device CD0
included in Storage/DOSDrivers, you will have to modify the unit number
(SCSI ID) according to how your CD-ROM drive is set-up.
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bobbie sellers
I think you can go directly to 3.9 as I did on my A2000b.
later
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Klompmeester
<rudy.sc...@pandora.be> wrote in message
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> YESS !! It works, indeed I removed the command "setpatch" from the
> startup-sequence and it works.
>
> Thanks very much !!!
>
> I already installed os3.1 and everything works.
Geen probleem :-)
> Now I still have to install my external SCSI Apple cd-rom.
>
> I use Amicdfs for that ?
Yes, or if you don't mind a bit of fiddling you can use the CD driver that
comes with 3.1 in dosdrivers.
> Once the cdrom installed I can install 3.5 and then 3.9.
>
Can't you go straight to 3.9?
rudy.sc...@pandora.be
Is it necessary to put this command in the startup-sequence, I ask
this because when I copy the setpatch from my 3.1 OS disk then the
computer hangs and gives me the error "Software failure ... press left
mouse key..." ?
What is the use of Setpatch.
I try to install OS3.5 but when I launch the cd the computer keeps
trying to load c\installer... ?
Thomas Richter
> I removed the setpactch command from my startup-sequence.
>
> Is it necessary to put this command in the startup-sequence, I ask
> this because when I copy the setpatch from my 3.1 OS disk then the
> computer hangs and gives me the error "Software failure ... press left
> mouse key..." ?
> What is the use of Setpatch.
SetPatch fixes known bugs of the ROM operating system. For 3.9, it also
provides new versions of some of the ROM-based libraries. Question one
would be which version of SetPatch you currently use. There's the v40
one (came with 3.1) and a 3.5 and 3.9 version.
If it keeps crashing, it *might* also be that something's wrong with the
hardware. Which type of CPU is in your system? If that's a 68040, then
the 68040.library that came with Os 3.1 is buggy. You should either use
the one of the mmu.library (recommended) or the one that came with 3.9.
SetPatch *also* enables CPU caches - if something's wrong with the RAM,
it is not too unlikely that this also causes some trouble.
> I try to install OS3.5 but when I launch the cd the computer keeps
> trying to load c\installer... ?
I would recommend going to 3.9 directly. 3.5 had a couple of issues.
So long,
Thomas
rudy.sc...@pandora.be
I insert the cd in my cdrom (type SCSI cdrom Apple 600se).
Then the icons appear on the screen where I can select "OS3.9
Installation".
When I click on it the same thing happens : the cdrom and the harddisk
show activity, on the screen the message "Attempting to load c
\installer\..." It takes about 10 or 15 sec before I get the error
message "Installer failed 'suspend' or 'reboot' ".
Could it be that there is a problem between the computer and the cdrom
for loading stuff (I can use commands on the cdrom like 'dir') ? (The
light of the cdrom turns from green to orange and green again, likes
it is busy loading things, and at the same time the light of the hard
disk goes on and off and on again...)
The type of CPU is 68030.
The moment I type in shell for exemple "setpatch" the computerscreen
turns dark and gives me the error message "Software failure ... press
left mouse key". I even tried the setpatch-command on the os3.9 cdrom.
Strange isn't it ?
The computer without the setpatch command in de startup-sequence works
fine.
bobbie sellers
Installer is absolutely necessary look about your System disks until
you find it and then copy it to C:.
This was one of the failures of the Amiga in that you have always had
to seek out and copy Installer from the install disks to
the C: directory. Installer is the program that interprets the Install
scripts allowing the various programs that use it to be installed to
your hard disk. Not automatically installing "Installer" ensured of
course that one had to arrive at a certain degree of cli familiarity
before getting to the point that you could use a lot of stuff available
from Aminet or commercial programs.
Everett M. Greene
The "type SCSI cdrom Apple 600se" reminds me of a problem I
encountered once. I was told when I was having trouble with
getting programs off a CDROM that the "music" CDROM drives
don't transfer data as reliably as "real" CDROM drives. I
tried a "real" CDROM drive and the problem went away. I
don't recall any details of the incident.
Amiduffer
> I removed the setpactch command from my startup-sequence.
> >
> trying to load c\installer... ?
Did you look in your C drawer and check to see if INSTALLER is there?
It might not.
rudy.sc...@pandora.be
anything.
But as Evereth M. Greene mentiones, could it be that my cdrom drive
does not read my files well ?
I have put a normal cdrom (Aminet) in it. It can read the directories
but when I give the command to launch a program from that cdrom (f.ex.
a game) the computer does the same thing as I mentioned, i.e. both the
cdrom and the light of the hard drive are going green and orange and
after a while I get also the error "program failed .. suspend or
boot".
Weird thing ?
Must I put specific commands in the mount file "CD0" to make my cdrom
rom loading programs ?
Jerry Heyman
(rudy.sc...@pandora.be) wrote:
> Well, yes, I have copied the installer to C:, that does not change
> anything.
>
> But as Evereth M. Greene mentiones, could it be that my cdrom drive
> does not read my files well ?
>
> I have put a normal cdrom (Aminet) in it. It can read the directories
> but when I give the command to launch a program from that cdrom (f.ex.
> a game) the computer does the same thing as I mentioned, i.e. both the
> cdrom and the light of the hard drive are going green and orange and
> after a while I get also the error "program failed .. suspend or
> boot".
>
> Weird thing ?
No. I suffered the same issue when I was trying to install Debian
linux v3r1 onto my trust A3000. It was successfully running OS 3.9
and I'd been able to access the cdrom drive quite easily. Since
that time I had upgraded to a 24x SCSI cdrom and while it would read
initially, it would then fail.
I received a suggestion (and a small program) from Christian Brandt
that allowed me to change the SCSI setting from synchronous to
asynchronous. Program is called A3000SCSI and should be available
via aminet.
If you can't find it there - please contact me and I'll send you
a copy.
>
> Must I put specific commands in the mount file "CD0" to make my cdrom
> rom loading programs ?
jerry
Frank Traut
an idea or option nobody has yet to talk about. The power
supply going to the CD-ROM drive. I had an A1200 once with
a Zappo drive that did the same exact thing as this chaps
A3000 equipped CD-ROM. I replaced the original power supply
with a beefier one and ALL of my CD-ROM problems went away.
With the smaller supply (less mA), it would read directories
just fine, but if I went to install, copy or read anything
of a high KB, the computer would crash and then give me
the flashing red guru.
Since this is an external drive, I would assume this has
a wal-wart? If so, that's an easy fix. Get a better, more
powerful amp/milliamp supply (mA). Not more voltage (should
be around 12volts?), just amps. If this external Apple drive
has its own power supply inside of the unit, odds are that
a power supply component may have fallen out of tolerance
and good luck finding which one :-(
Hope this helps!! I pulled my hair out for a year before I
finally figured out what was wrong with my CD-ROM drive/computer.
-Frank
Know1
"Frank Traut" <ftra...@charter.net> wrote in message news:%uJmj.25$sU3...@newsfe06.lga...
No wonder you`re going bald~)
Look up IDE-fix on aminet ;P
Frank Traut
That didn't work smartass!
Know1
"Frank Traut" <ftra...@charter.net> wrote in message news:bOOmj.106$uZ...@newsfe05.lga...
Did you even try it? >shit-for-brains<
Robert Habkirk
Just to support Frank as he is absolutely right. I have been operating
fixing and troubleshooting computers for over 20 years. Windows 3.1
through Vista, Mac OS 7.2 through OSX, Linux Caldera 1.3 through 6
different distributions to Kubuntu 7.10 and of course Amiga OS 1.1
through 3.9 as well as OS 4.0.
You know what the most common CR-Rom problem manifests itself in the
exactly same way as explained. I do not care what OS they all react the
same (funny how a hardware problem will react the same to all OS's).
That problem is a power supply that moving out of tolerance.
No need to call people names.
Fact is Frank sounds like he could actually fix a computer.
Frank Traut
> Fact is Frank sounds like he could actually fix a computer.
LOL! Thanks... been doing just that for decades. ;-)
Didn't reply to the second offense because I knew the
guy is a wanker. Doesn't even have the balls to include
his real name or e-mail addy. Anyway...
Downloading cryptic programs with little to know instructions
from Aminet or the newsgroups often do not help. Not referring
to IDEFix, but... come to think of it... we're talking about
SCSI devices! So, my point stands. Why on earth would someone
think about a patch called IDEFix for their SCSI device? And
of course, IDEFix did not, could not and would not fix that
chaps particular CD-ROM problem.
Why is there this "air" that Amiga users have to be so secretive
about everything? Or purposely falsifying help for whatever motive?
Been using UseNet since the early to mid 90's and have witnessed
precisely that kind of behaviour more times than I'd care to admit.
-Frank
Know1
"Frank Traut" <ftra...@charter.net> wrote in message news:S8tnj.60$zV2...@newsfe06.lga...
> Robert Habkirk wrote:
>
>> Fact is Frank sounds like he could actually fix a computer.
>
In his dreams..or 12months ..whichever applies first!
> LOL! Thanks... been doing just that for decades. ;-)
Err..was that wanking?
>
> Didn't reply to the second offense because I knew the
> guy is a wanker. Doesn't even have the balls to include
> his real name or e-mail addy. Anyway...
>
You started by calling me a smartass...shit-for-brains!
And yours and Roberts addies have proven that you`re
Canadian Mounties ..upon one another!
> Downloading cryptic programs with little to know instructions
> from Aminet or the newsgroups often do not help. Not referring
> to IDEFix, but... come to think of it... we're talking about
> SCSI devices! So, my point stands. Why on earth would someone
> think about a patch called IDEFix for their SCSI device? And
> of course, IDEFix did not, could not and would not fix that
> chaps particular CD-ROM problem.
>
Well maybe it should have been called SCSIFix97
for the dickheads, like yourself.
> Why is there this "air" that Amiga users have to be so secretive
> about everything? Or purposely falsifying help for whatever motive?
>
> Been using UseNet since the early to mid 90's and have witnessed
> precisely that kind of behaviour more times than I'd care to admit.
>
Lots from your self & Rubert
Know1
>
> Just to support Frank as he is absolutely right.
In 12 months time (delayed reaction..timewarped perhaps)
I have been operating
> fixing and troubleshooting computers for over 20 years. Windows 3.1
> through Vista, Mac OS 7.2 through OSX, Linux Caldera 1.3 through 6
> different distributions to Kubuntu 7.10 and of course Amiga OS 1.1
> through 3.9 as well as OS 4.0.
Over 30 years here! skite.
Every OS
Care to challenge me?
> You know what the most common CR-Rom problem manifests itself in the
> exactly same way as explained. I do not care what OS they all react the
> same (funny how a hardware problem will react the same to all OS's).
> That problem is a power supply that moving out of tolerance.
> No need to call people names.
> Fact is Frank sounds like he could actually fix a computer.
You never have! Brown-noser!
Klompmeester
There are elitist wankers on every platform, but they are in the minority
mostly.