Amiga 1400! When?
c_b...@icrf.icnet.uk
roughly when it will be released??
Sorry if this has been asked before!!!
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Ian Kennedy
>OK, THe new Amiga 1400 sounds great. Does anybody know or can say
>roughly when it will be released??
Holy Flaming Cow! Don't you people get it?
THE A1400 IS VAPOR. VAPOR. VAPOR!
Commdore has announced NOTHING. ZIP. ZERO. And with recent cuts I
doubt they will anytime soon.
You guys are pathetic, you're like a bunch of puppy dogs whimpering
for more doggie biskets.
ALSO, the A1400 rumorspecs are nothing more than an A1200 with some more
drive bays and a detached keyboard. It's about as credible as the
"A5000" specs touting 1 060 and 2 040s.
It's all VAPOR. BULLSHIT. BOGUS.
Ian.
P.S. Get a clue.
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>In article <1993Jun25...@icrf.icnet.uk> c_b...@icrf.icnet.uk writes:
>>OK, THe new Amiga 1400 sounds great. Does anybody know or can say
>>roughly when it will be released??
>Holy Flaming Cow! Don't you people get it?
>THE A1400 IS VAPOR. VAPOR. VAPOR!
>Commdore has announced NOTHING. ZIP. ZERO. And with recent cuts I
>doubt they will anytime soon.
>You guys are pathetic, you're like a bunch of puppy dogs whimpering
>for more doggie biskets.
>ALSO, the A1400 rumorspecs are nothing more than an A1200 with some more
>drive bays and a detached keyboard. It's about as credible as the
>"A5000" specs touting 1 060 and 2 040s.
>It's all VAPOR. BULLSHIT. BOGUS.
C= has announce that it will introduce a "mystery" Amiga at the WOC at
Sydney in a few days time. No doubt, it'll turn out to be the official
release of the AGA CDTV console. AT least, I hope so :-).
Cheers,
NY
>Ian.
>P.S. Get a clue.
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Gerald G. Washington
>c_b...@icrf.icnet.uk writes:
>>OK, THe new Amiga 1400 sounds great. Does anybody know or can say
>>roughly when it will be released??
>
>Holy Flaming Cow! Don't you people get it?
>
>THE A1400 IS VAPOR. VAPOR. VAPOR!
>
>Commdore has announced NOTHING. ZIP. ZERO. And with recent cuts I
>doubt they will anytime soon.
>
>You guys are pathetic, you're like a bunch of puppy dogs whimpering
>for more doggie biskets.
You guys? Exactly how many people do you think he is? Does that "s" in
"c_burns" mean he has multiple personalities? Hmm... How many fingers
am I holding up...
-- Gerald
Otis of InfoCorner
> In article <1993Jun25...@icrf.icnet.uk> c_b...@icrf.icnet.uk writes:
> >OK, THe new Amiga 1400 sounds great. Does anybody know or can say
> >roughly when it will be released??
>
> Holy Flaming Cow! Don't you people get it?
>
> THE A1400 IS VAPOR. VAPOR. VAPOR!
who sayz? a nerd from....... MICROSOFT!!!!!
>
> Commdore has announced NOTHING. ZIP. ZERO. And with recent cuts I
> doubt they will anytime soon.
well they cut in the PEECEE section , not in the amiga section,
in fact, they are investing the money they save from the PEECEE
section in the amiga....
so your company is getting less money in the future from C=.
>
> You guys are pathetic, you're like a bunch of puppy dogs whimpering
> for more doggie biskets.
well, who is pathetic here?
we, or a bozo from a company that cannot programm and makes
a fool of himself.
>
> ALSO, the A1400 rumorspecs are nothing more than an A1200 with some more
> drive bays and a detached keyboard. It's about as credible as the
> "A5000" specs touting 1 060 and 2 040s.
dream on...
the future is agains you... you know it...
stay in the 'ibm', 'windoze' or 'ms' groups...
> It's all VAPOR. BULLSHIT. BOGUS.
we already know that from you...
>
> Ian.
>
> P.S. Get a clue.
> --
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Hannes Gnad
>Subject: Re: Amiga 1400! When?
>Date: 28 Jun 93 17:29:42 GMT
Hmm, sometimes rumours come true ...
After reading some postings in German newsgroups (like de.comp.sys.amiga.
misc), here's good news:
The CDTV II is alive.
It's name is something like "Amiga CD 32 console".
The specs are just an A1200 + CD-Rom in a blue/grey/black phone-receiver
like case.
Pricing about DM 699.--, about US$ 415.-- or 280.-- Pounds.
It is offered in the latest catalogue (Herbst/Winter '93) of "Quelle", a big
German mail order company selling everything.
Sorry I didn't look it up myself to make specs and case design more precise.
So, if C= can do this, why shouldn't they be able to make an A1400 ?
The specs are very much like those of an A1200, and even with a reduced
(sniff) development team it is not hard to design a new case.
Ah, to you, MS guy.
Where do you get your information about Amiga development get from ? Billy ??
Get MS release NT or Word for the Amiga, then we can start talking.
Else ... just keep out of our newsgroups and flame yourself. :-W !!
Gary
A4000/40
Always remember - there's nothing better more - than the AMIGA
Alan Buxey
> In article <1993Jun28.1...@microsoft.com> ia...@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
> >From: ia...@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
> >Subject: Re: Amiga 1400! When?
> >Date: 28 Jun 93 17:29:42 GMT
> >In article <1993Jun25...@icrf.icnet.uk> c_b...@icrf.icnet.uk writes:
> >>OK, THe new Amiga 1400 sounds great. Does anybody know or can say
> >>roughly when it will be released??
> >
> >Holy Flaming Cow! Don't you people get it?
> >
> >THE A1400 IS VAPOR. VAPOR. VAPOR!
> >
ALL. It is just the evolution of the A1200 to what it should
have been. personally, i think that this guy is really narked
off because he has spent soooo much on his system already
just check out his line up on the .siggy below :)
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> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
85 MEG hard-disk! Is that all!!!?? With that acceleration, you
obviously do graphical work and ray-tracing. No? -That takes up
hard-disk space LOTS. HAM8 Renders with VistaPro3.1 are BIG (even with
JPEG compression.
If you don't use this system for anything other than games then its a
waste - but who cares - you obviously prefer PC's and don't like the
idea of Amiga's getting better!
> Hmm, sometimes rumours come true ...
they certainly do. Wait till July 20th. :)
> The CDTV II is alive.
So was Number 5 about 6 years ago :) - its coming soon though.
> Pricing about DM 699.--, about US$ 415.-- or 280.-- Pounds.
No. 199 pounds.
> A4000/40
Thats better! A REAL system - pity it doesn't come in green like
the new Silicon Graphics Indigo2
> Always remember - there's nothing better more - than the AMIGA
there is. The Silicon Graphics Indigo2 - but at 34,000 pounds...forget it!
Hey everyone lets just forget technology at go backwards.
Retrogression! Lets pull our Spectrum out of the Cupboard!
Alan - Hey was that a pig I just saw flying. No, it was NT
multitasking :)
Bill Kindel
>
> THE A1400 IS VAPOR. VAPOR. VAPOR!
>
> doubt they will anytime soon.
You're right. Commodore hasn't announced any such critter and recent
cuts may well impact any impeding announcements. That doesn't mean that
they WON'T announce such a system, however.
At this point the A1400 *is* vapor, but we can hope, can't we?
[ insults deleted ]
Can we please stay OUT of the flame wars here? (That applies to the
folks that replied to this post, also.)
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It seems unfair to dump on someone who is *obviously* a tiny minority in
a certain organization that has a stranglehold on the PC operating system
(though I use the term loosely 8^) market. I may not hold said product
in the highest esteem (as my .signature attests), but I'll give you
points for good sense and individualism in your choice of a home system.
(I agree that your disk space looks a bit anemic, especially if you're
using something like CrossPC to provide a measure of compatibility with
your employer's products.)
As for rumored Amiga systems, my favorite is the portable built around the
new CDTV-II motherboard. I can dream, can't I? 8^) 8^)
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c_b...@icrf.icnet.uk
net for a while and most British mags have given it column inches)
to suppose that the Amiga 1400 or something of that order will
appear towards the end of the year...
I notice some people have remarked that Commodore haven't announced
anything. For me, that's proof that something in the pipeline
(remember all the announcements for the A500+ and the A600? :-))
The proposed specs for the A1400 are, true, not THAT much different
from the A1200, but I would like a A1200 with a detachable keyboard
and room for extra drives and a large hard drive as standard...
I'd rather fork out for that instead of buying a base 1200 and
souping it up!
sl...@cc.usu.edu
> ia...@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jun25...@icrf.icnet.uk> c_b...@icrf.icnet.uk writes:
>>>OK, THe new Amiga 1400 sounds great. Does anybody know or can say
>>>roughly when it will be released??
>
>>Holy Flaming Cow! Don't you people get it?
>
>>THE A1400 IS VAPOR. VAPOR. VAPOR!
>
>>Commdore has announced NOTHING. ZIP. ZERO. And with recent cuts I
>>doubt they will anytime soon.
>
>>You guys are pathetic, you're like a bunch of puppy dogs whimpering
>>for more doggie biskets.
>
>>ALSO, the A1400 rumorspecs are nothing more than an A1200 with some more
>>drive bays and a detached keyboard. It's about as credible as the
>>"A5000" specs touting 1 060 and 2 040s.
>
>>It's all VAPOR. BULLSHIT. BOGUS.
>
> C= has announce that it will introduce a "mystery" Amiga at the WOC at
> Sydney in a few days time. No doubt, it'll turn out to be the official
> release of the AGA CDTV console. AT least, I hope so :-).
>
> Cheers,
>
> NY
>
>>Ian.
>
>>P.S. Get a clue.
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Well, I must admit I've never seen a holy flaming cow before, but it
would probubly taste pretty good with some mustard. Any way, Commodore does
have something they say will be introduced soon. If you remember, thats the
AAA (true 16.8 million color) chip set. A rumor I've heard is that when
commodore started losing all kinds of money a while ago, they decided they had
better actually release some new, kick butt hardware soon. The AAA chips
weren't quite complete, so they released a virtually incomplete version. In
other words, AGA. Well, that's just a rumor, but AGA came out quite a while
ago, and the AAA chips were due out the end of this month. Quite possible
there won't even be an AGA CDTV, but an AAA one and an A5000 or something.
Anyway, Commodore has finally gotten their development team off their butts.
I'd expect AAA out any time, along with all kinds of great hardware in the
future.
Jonathan Dinerstein
Ian Kennedy
>ia...@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>for more doggie biskets.
>You guys? Exactly how many people do you think he is? Does that "s" in
>"c_burns" mean he has multiple personalities? Hmm... How many fingers
>am I holding up...
I was refering to the 10 bazillion "me too" posts requesting on the
"just announced", "it sounds cool" "A1400" specs. It gets really
pathetic after a while.
I'm an avid Amiga user but I don't sit here in my office hanging on the
net with baited breath expecting C= to actually release a new cool
machine that will take the world by storm. I don't expect a new
"A5000" with 16 Alphas running AmigaDOS/P (for parallel) and
a two 68EC030s for $1300.00.
--
sl...@cc.usu.edu
It's nice to hear some one actually not flame Ian (I think that's his
name) into the ground, but I believe Commodore will come out with a lot of new
hardware very soon. I think commodore lost all the money they did just prior
to the release of AGA. I think the reason they left the A1200 and A4000 on the
powerup deal for so long was to quickly raise a lot of money and to get a lot
of new people interested in the Amiga. Commodore has sold enough A1200's and
4000's that I'd bet they recovered enough money, and finally got their butts in
gear enough to keep from going bankrupt, that development will move very fast.
The AGA computers where enough of a jump forward that I'll bet the next line of
Amigas commodore introduces will be very hot hunks of hardware... at least I
can dream.
Jonathan Dinerstein
Gerald G. Washington
Nah, it's much nicer to hear someone toast that arrogant bastard. Sure the
A1400 is as vaporous as the morning mist over the swamps of Africa, but it
is no surprise that someone fell for the joke.
-- Gerald
Gerald G. Washington
>ger...@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>ia...@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>>You guys are pathetic, you're like a bunch of puppy dogs whimpering
>>>for more doggie biskets.
>>You guys? Exactly how many people do you think he is? Does that "s" in
>>"c_burns" mean he has multiple personalities? Hmm... How many fingers
>>am I holding up...
>
>I was refering to the 10 bazillion "me too" posts requesting on the
>"just announced", "it sounds cool" "A1400" specs. It gets really
>pathetic after a while.
Assuming "bazillion" to be a big number, if the posts bother you, don't
read them. The subject line was very clear. Yes, you are pathetic.
>I'm an avid Amiga user but I don't sit here in my office hanging on the
>net with baited breath expecting C= to actually release a new cool
>machine that will take the world by storm. I don't expect a new
>"A5000" with 16 Alphas running AmigaDOS/P (for parallel) and
>a two 68EC030s for $1300.00.
I couldn't care less if Commodore or Microsoft went out of business. By
the way, the price of the A5000 has dropped to $799.
-- Gerald
Gregory G Greene
'>of Amigas commodore introduces will be very hot hunks of hardware... at least
'>I can dream.
'>
'> Jonathan Dinerstein
The question is, will these very hot hunks of hardware require very
huge crates of cash to purchase.
Greg Greene
g...@kepler.unh.edu
Otis of InfoCorner
[crap deleted]
>
> I was refering to the 10 bazillion "me too" posts requesting on the
> "just announced", "it sounds cool" "A1400" specs. It gets really
> pathetic after a while.
well, the shit you post gets really pathetic and annoying too.
>
> I'm an avid Amiga user but I don't sit here in my office hanging on the
> net with baited breath expecting C= to actually release a new cool
> machine that will take the world by storm. I don't expect a new
> "A5000" with 16 Alphas running AmigaDOS/P (for parallel) and
> a two 68EC030s for $1300.00.
we don't either.
be reasonable.
if you wanna flame people who think the rumours were about real facts,
go ahead, but mail them directly. pissing off all the readers in this newsgroup
is a little too much, don't ya think????
talk to your 'employer' that they should do something for the
amiga if you are really supporting the machine.
there is a whole market out there...
> |A1200/030-50/6/85 | -me |
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
really????
why are you flaming amiga lovers then?
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David Meiklejohn
>THE A1400 IS VAPOR. VAPOR. VAPOR!
A rumour, yes. Vapour, certainly.
>Commdore has announced NOTHING. ZIP. ZERO.
That's what makes it a rumour, yes.
>And with recent cuts I doubt they will anytime soon.
But I don't see this at all, because...
>ALSO, the A1400 rumorspecs are nothing more than an A1200 with some more
>drive bays and a detached keyboard.
Exactly. That's exactly why it's a very believable, and therefore exciting,
rumour. There is no new technology involved. It's a repackaged A1200.
Same technology, different box - the sort of thing a "decimated" C= could
churn out quite easily. Given that there's a strong demand for such a box
(most people with A1200s are very happy with them, except for the fact that
they look like a toy, and can't take a 3.5" HD or an internal CDROM).
>It's about as credible as the "A5000" specs touting 1 060 and 2 040s.
That's totally different. They didn't even get the AAA specs right - 512
colour modes, indeed! And why two 040s? It doesn't make sense. OTOH, the
A1400 is easy to do, even for Commodore now. It makes marketing sense, and
does not involve any wild claims about new chipsets.
>It's all VAPOR. BULLSHIT. BOGUS.
Vapor, sure, but bogus? I'm quite confident that we'll see something like
this, unless the A4000/030 price plummets.
You Americans all seem to think that Commodore is now totally out of it and
can never produce anything again. Well, there's a WOC on in Sydney this
weekend, featuring a new Amiga. Probably the AGA console. We'll see...
>Ian.
>P.S. Get a clue.
And try to cut down on the pessimism a little.
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- PC's, Unix, and networks by day, Amigas by night... // Amiga users do it
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Hannes Gnad
>From: kc...@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Alan Buxey)
>Subject: Re: Amiga 1400! When?
>In article <Gary.24....@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>, Ga...@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Hannes Gnad) writes:
>
>> Hmm, sometimes rumours come true ...
>
> they certainly do. Wait till July 20th. :)
>
>> The CDTV II is alive.
>
> So was Number 5 about 6 years ago :) - its coming soon though.
Well, the most strange thing about this is the fact that the first reliable
foto of this new machine is actually show in a mail order company catalogue.
What are our great hyper-up-to-date computer magazines are for ??
They didn't even have the specs first (in a precise version).
Not to mention the vague painting in AmigaFormat ....
>
>> Pricing about DM 699.--, about US$ 415.-- or 280.-- Pounds.
>
> No. 199 pounds.
Sorry, the German pricing is correct.
The prices in US and British currency result by using the current money
exchange rates (1 US$ = 1,70 DM, 1 Pound = 2,50 DM).
Note that German prices are always including VAT.
>> A4000/40
> Thats better! A REAL system - pity it doesn't come in green like
>the new Silicon Graphics Indigo2
>
>> Always remember - there's nothing better more - than the AMIGA
>
>there is. The Silicon Graphics Indigo2 - but at 34,000 pounds...forget it!
C'mon. Don't compare apples and oranges.
>Hey everyone lets just forget technology at go backwards.
>Retrogression! Lets pull our Spectrum out of the Cupboard!
A quite good spectrum emulator is available form aminet.
(Spectrum1.7 in misc/emu) :-))
>Alan - Hey was that a pig I just saw flying. No, it was NT
> multitasking :)
Gary
A4000/40
Ian Kennedy
>In article <1993Jun28.1...@microsoft.com> ia...@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>> THE A1400 IS VAPOR. VAPOR. VAPOR!
> who sayz? a nerd from....... MICROSOFT!!!!!
So, you have to stoop to personal insults eh? I can do that!
Can you PROVE the A1400 exists? No? You think it's real because you read
about it on some hacker bordz, D00D?
> so your company is getting less money in the future from C=.
Ohhhh. We're just shakin' in our boots now.
> well, who is pathetic here?
> we, or a bozo from a company that cannot programm and makes
> a fool of himself.
Can't program eh? Why don't you try and get a job here and we'll see who
can't program. You're the pathetic one if you actually believe
the "specs" you read on the net.
>> ALSO, the A1400 rumorspecs are nothing more than an A1200 with some more
>> drive bays and a detached keyboard. It's about as credible as the
>> "A5000" specs touting 1 060 and 2 040s.
> dream on...
I don't have to dream. The A1400 specs as posted to the net are nothing more
than an A1200 in a pizza box style case. Big Deal.
> the future is agains you... you know it...
Right. Time to take your lithium now...
> stay in the 'ibm', 'windoze' or 'ms' groups...
Why should I go to the PC newsgroups? I'm an Amiga user, I currentrly own
my third Amiga. It's a A1200. MBX1230XA 50Mhz 030 accelerator and
an 80MB hard disk. If you had enough of a brain to read my .sig
you'd know that.
Ian Kennedy
>Hmm, sometimes rumours come true ...
Sometimes, but never the ones on the net.
>The CDTV II is alive.
Thats cool.
>So, if C= can do this, why shouldn't they be able to make an A1400 ?
>The specs are very much like those of an A1200, and even with a reduced
>(sniff) development team it is not hard to design a new case.
But why?
>Ah, to you, MS guy.
>Where do you get your information about Amiga development get from ? Billy ??
It's called "common sense" a trait that seem to be at a premium here in
The Net. The A1400 does not make sense.
>Get MS release NT or Word for the Amiga, then we can start talking.
>Else ... just keep out of our newsgroups and flame yourself. :-W !!
Shit. You think that just because I work for Microsoft that I can't possibly
be an Amiga user. Like I told some other hacker twit, I currently own
my third Amiga. Have owned C= hardware exclusivly since 1983.
>A4000/40
A1200/030-50
sl...@cc.usu.edu
Commodore has been good enough, for the most part, with keeping Amiga
prices low. Especially with the new AGA machines. I don't think new
break-through Amigas will be purchasable with dead gerbils, but I expect the
price will be quite in reason. If the world is lucky, they might even be on
some sort of power-up deal for a while.
Jonathan Dinerstein
Otis of InfoCorner
> >In article <1993Jun28.1...@microsoft.com> ia...@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>
> >> THE A1400 IS VAPOR. VAPOR. VAPOR!
> > who sayz? a nerd from....... MICROSOFT!!!!!
>
> So, you have to stoop to personal insults eh? I can do that!
> Can you PROVE the A1400 exists? No? You think it's real because you read
> about it on some hacker bordz, D00D?
well, say dude, not dood.
dood is dutch for dead.
and I don't read stuff on hackerboardz...
>
> > so your company is getting less money in the future from C=.
>
> Ohhhh. We're just shakin' in our boots now.
ya bet ya do.
>
> > well, who is pathetic here?
> > we, or a bozo from a company that cannot programm and makes
> > a fool of himself.
>
> Can't program eh? Why don't you try and get a job here and we'll see who
> can't program. You're the pathetic one if you actually believe
> the "specs" you read on the net.
o really?
tell you what:
I HATE MORONS WHO TELL ME WHAT I HAVE TO BELIEVE/THINK/FEEL/WHATEVER
I can find that out by myself thank you.
but I think you don't have enuff braincells to understand it.
I think what I wanna think, I believe what I wanna believe.
got that???
> >> "A5000" specs touting 1 060 and 2 040s.
> > dream on...
>
> I don't have to dream. The A1400 specs as posted to the net are nothing more
> than an A1200 in a pizza box style case. Big Deal.
so you think it's real too?? ;-)
>
> > the future is agains you... you know it...
>
> Right. Time to take your lithium now...
yeah, do that.
>
> > stay in the 'ibm', 'windoze' or 'ms' groups...
>
> Why should I go to the PC newsgroups? I'm an Amiga user, I currentrly own
> my third Amiga. It's a A1200. MBX1230XA 50Mhz 030 accelerator and
> an 80MB hard disk. If you had enough of a brain to read my .sig
> you'd know that.
I saw that, only a REAL amigauser is glad that there will be another
amiga. a REAL amigauser looks forward to see the new machine.
you don't. you are just shouting crap to everybody, insulting everybody.
ya better buy a PEECEE, it suits you better...
Otis of InfoCorner
> >Hmm, sometimes rumours come true ...
>
> Sometimes, but never the ones on the net.
never say never, wacko
>
> >The CDTV II is alive.
>
> Thats cool.
>
do I see that right???
a POSITIVE word from mr MSDOG????
geee!!!
> >So, if C= can do this, why shouldn't they be able to make an A1400 ?
> >The specs are very much like those of an A1200, and even with a reduced
> >(sniff) development team it is not hard to design a new case.
>
> But why?
ooooo!!!!!!
ever wondered WHY people bought a huge case like an A2000????
>
> >Get MS release NT or Word for the Amiga, then we can start talking.
> >Else ... just keep out of our newsgroups and flame yourself. :-W !!
>
> Shit. You think that just because I work for Microsoft that I can't possibly
> be an Amiga user. Like I told some other hacker twit, I currently own
I have a name!
(I know you meant me with 'hacker twit')
this is disguisting.
look mr whatever, leave us alon with YOUR opinions.
and try to make some real products!
-> now available in c.s.a.audio my modplayer, try it...
Kari Sutela
> this is disguisting.
Indeed. This "discussion" belongs to c.s.a.advocacy only, at best.
Perhaps alt.flame or /dev/null would be more suitable.
> look mr whatever, leave us alon with YOUR opinions.
Please, keep your flaming out of c.s.a.misc.
I have directed followups to c.s.a.advocacy.
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Jason W. Nyberg
/Ga...@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Hannes Gnad) writes:
/>Hmm, sometimes rumours come true ...
/Sometimes, but never the ones on the net.
Especially the ones like "CDTV is dead," "CBM is DOOMED," etc...
On the other hand, DSP is rumored, RTG, etc... We'll see.
/>The CDTV II is alive.
/Thats cool.
I'd like to see it, and see it _marketed_!
/>So, if C= can do this, why shouldn't they be able to make an A1400 ?
/>The specs are very much like those of an A1200, and even with a reduced
/>(sniff) development team it is not hard to design a new case.
/But why?
Because, being an A1200 in a new (bigger) case, it is more expandable.
Wouldn't you like to get a 3.5" drive and stick it in your case? or a
HD floppy? Be able to use the keyboard in your lap or on your bed?
With minimal development cost and a cheaper source of hard drives to keep
cost down, with an expansion ability smack dab in the middle of the A1200
and A4000/0X0, this is the machine MB was pining for a while back.
Admit it, if this legendary machine was out when you got your A1200,
might you have a different .sig right now?
Besides, they might need a little extra room for that vaporous DSP card. :)
We can hope...
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Hannes Gnad
>From: ia...@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
>Subject: Re: Amiga 1400! When?
>In article <Gary.24....@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Ga...@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Hannes Gnad) writes:
>>Hmm, sometimes rumours come true ...
>
>Sometimes, but never the ones on the net.
That's not true. Many really competent people like actual Amiga developers
are on the net, and many things which came true where in here long before C=
announced anything officially.
>>The CDTV II is alive.
>
>Thats cool.
I don't know this yet. Have to take a closer look first.
>>So, if C= can do this, why shouldn't they be able to make an A1400 ?
>>The specs are very much like those of an A1200, and even with a reduced
>>(sniff) development team it is not hard to design a new case.
>
>But why?
Well, do you know the 'Haeger' comic in which his boot sinks in a storm and
he shouts to the god 'Why me ??' and the god answers 'Why not ?' ??
It would have a good position in the range between the A1200 and the A4000/
30. It is easy to do and will be cheaper because of the 3,5" HD. So I think
it would be a smart move by C=.
>>Ah, to you, MS guy.
>>Where do you get your information about Amiga development get from ? Billy ??
>
>It's called "common sense" a trait that seem to be at a premium here in
>The Net. The A1400 does not make sense.
As I wrote above, it does.
>>Get MS release NT or Word for the Amiga, then we can start talking.
>>Else ... just keep out of our newsgroups and flame yourself. :-W !!
>
>Shit. You think that just because I work for Microsoft that I can't possibly
>be an Amiga user. Like I told some other hacker twit, I currently own
>my third Amiga. Have owned C= hardware exclusivly since 1983.
But why then flaming C= ?? Or it's advocators ?
And I mean it very serious with someone make MS release Amiga versions.
I also think I could not work for MS. As they have no Amiga versions, and as
it is Billy's definite aim to have MS operating systems and MS applications
on all machines of the world, this includes the end of the Amiga.
^^^
It is more interresting discussing about that than about hardware rumours
with someone who doesn't seem to have any good sources (you).
>>A4000/40
>A1200/030-50
Not bad.
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Ricardo Hernandez Muchado
[mayor stuff deleted]
|>
|>
|> >Ian.
|>
|> >P.S. Get a clue.
Ian, although I will agree the A1400 is vapor, and yet some people
believe it (unfortunately), I can't resist telling you the following:
Right now, for me, the A1400 is no more vapor than Windows NT is!
And if you are going to say that Windows NT is already in the developers
hand, it could be the same for the A1400 :-)
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// >>> I LOVE IT <<<<
\X/ 256,000 + colors, 24-bit palette Real 3D V2, Image FX, Scala MM210
*don't e-mail me* -> I don't have a valid address nor can I send e-mail
Suraj Gulrajanai
> You Americans all seem to think that Commodore is now totally out of it and
> can never produce anything again. Well, there's a WOC on in Sydney this
> weekend, featuring a new Amiga. Probably the AGA console. We'll see...
Would it be possible to provide a summary of the WOC event in Sydney? Did
OpalVision finally release the add-on modules? Genlock? Vidio Suite, et??
Anything on the AGA CDTV? I was not able to make it down to Sydney this
week.. :(
DERF
>
>Anything on the AGA CDTV? I was not able to make it down to Sydney this
>week.. :(
It was out the back but it was so big and heavy nobody could lift
it out to the main show!
;-)
Seriously, a few select amiga developers got to see it and
the head of CBM Aust, talked about it generally but it still
a secret. Sorry.
Craig Arnoldt
de...@ironbark.ucnv.edu.au
Clayton Donley
>It's called "common sense" a trait that seem to be at a premium here in
>The Net. The A1400 does not make sense.
>
Feh..and the A600 did? ;-)
Ive heard from a very credible source (under NDA from Commodore) who has been
right several times in the past that the A1400 is alive and well, and due out
later this fall. The specs are true...The A1400 will be followed soon after by
the A5000's which will premiere in early-mid '94. The only A5000's in existance
are exclusively in the hands of CBM's R&D in Germany, and awaiting the release
of the 060 later this year in order to finalize production and have the model
in shipping before Comdex in 94.
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>
>Ive heard from a very credible source (under NDA from Commodore) who has been
>right several times in the past that the A1400 is alive and well, and due out
>later this fall.
Very interesting...
>The only A5000's in existance
>are exclusively in the hands of CBM's R&D in Germany,
But there isn't any R&D in Germany anymore (at least not from Commodore)!
So that limits "a little" the credibility of the other stated facts,
I guess.
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David Stuve
>In article <cdonle...@amiganet.chi.il.us> cdo...@amiganet.chi.il.us (Clayton Donley) writes:
>>
>>The only A5000's in existance
>>are exclusively in the hands of CBM's R&D in Germany,
>
>But there isn't any R&D in Germany anymore (at least not from Commodore)!
I guess this means that the a5000 probably isn't going to be finished
for a while, eh? :-)
-David
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Ian Kennedy
>Feh..and the A600 did? ;-)
>Ive heard from a very credible source (under NDA from Commodore) who has been
>right several times in the past that the A1400 is alive and well, and due out
>later this fall. The specs are true...The A1400 will be followed soon after by
>the A5000's which will premiere in early-mid '94. The only A5000's in existance
>are exclusively in the hands of CBM's R&D in Germany, and awaiting the release
>of the 060 later this year in order to finalize production and have the model
>in shipping before Comdex in 94.
Well, I'm not sure about this. I was under the impression from the guys at
West Chester that they did all hardware development.
Which Comdex will it be at? There are two ya know!
Tracy M Nelson
: Right now, for me, the A1400 is no more vapor than Windows NT is!
Well, at least NT has been announced and advertised, so MS *has* to come
up with something. I don't think Commodore has officially acknowledged
the A1400. And if the developers had one, don't you think *somebody*
would have leaked at least a little something?
: Raist A1200/CSA '12 Gauge' 030/882 @ 50Mhz, 16 megs Fast Ram, 200 meg HD
Tracy Nelson
Q700, 040 @ 25MHz, 12M RAM, 2M VRAM, 330M HD, external 100W Carver stereo amp
feeding Altec Lansing "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers -- 3D sound!
Gerald G. Washington
>Ricardo Hernandez Muchado (ric...@rchland.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
>: Right now, for me, the A1400 is no more vapor than Windows NT is!
>
>Well, at least NT has been announced and advertised, so MS *has* to come
>up with something. I don't think Commodore has officially acknowledged
>the A1400. And if the developers had one, don't you think *somebody*
>would have leaked at least a little something?
Nah, you know how Commodore works--they'll keep the bloody secret even if
it means no development for it. I don't see the reason for excitement
(or even interest) over the rumored A1400. With the minimum A1200 still
maintaining a list price of $699, this new machine could not possibly
be affordable.
>: Raist A1200/CSA '12 Gauge' 030/882 @ 50Mhz, 16 megs Fast Ram, 200 meg HD
>
>Tracy Nelson
>Q700, 040 @ 25MHz, 12M RAM, 2M VRAM, 330M HD, external 100W Carver stereo amp
>feeding Altec Lansing "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers -- 3D sound!
-- Gerald
Quadra 950, 040 @ 33MHz, 24M RAM, 240M HD, 24-bit RasterOps card, 20"
monitor, external 40M removeable drive, Microtek color scanner...
A500, 68000 @ 7MHz, 3M RAM, 40M HD, 45W Panasonic radio--kicks!
Skip Sauls
>tne...@fluorite.telesciences.com (Tracy M Nelson) writes:
>>Ricardo Hernandez Muchado (ric...@rchland.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
>>: Right now, for me, the A1400 is no more vapor than Windows NT is!
>>
>>Well, at least NT has been announced and advertised, so MS *has* to come
>>up with something. I don't think Commodore has officially acknowledged
>>the A1400. And if the developers had one, don't you think *somebody*
>>would have leaked at least a little something?
>
>Nah, you know how Commodore works--they'll keep the bloody secret even if
>it means no development for it. I don't see the reason for excitement
>(or even interest) over the rumored A1400. With the minimum A1200 still
>maintaining a list price of $699, this new machine could not possibly
>be affordable.
Wasn't there a mail-order company selling the A1200 for around $400?
That is a great price, IMHO, and C= could possibly set this as the
price point for the A1200 when the A1400 ships. C= needs to seriously
consider bundling their systems with "goodies" like the various Clone
manufacturers are now doing. Simply adding a CDROM, speakers,
monitor, and an audio digitizer to an A4000 system and then selling
it for a decent price would make an attractive alternative to the
various MPC boxes. Perhaps the CD32 will finally result in a CDROM
solution for Amiga owners and allow C= to catch up to the rest of
the world with respect to what is perceived to be multimedia by the
masses.
>>: Raist A1200/CSA '12 Gauge' 030/882 @ 50Mhz, 16 megs Fast Ram, 200 meg HD
>>
>>Tracy Nelson
>>Q700, 040 @ 25MHz, 12M RAM, 2M VRAM, 330M HD, external 100W Carver stereo amp
>>feeding Altec Lansing "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers -- 3D sound!
>
>-- Gerald
> Quadra 950, 040 @ 33MHz, 24M RAM, 240M HD, 24-bit RasterOps card, 20"
> monitor, external 40M removeable drive, Microtek color scanner...
> A500, 68000 @ 7MHz, 3M RAM, 40M HD, 45W Panasonic radio--kicks!
Skip Sauls
SAIR 660, 486DX2 @ 66MHz, 16M RAM, 245M HD, 24bit ATI GUP VLB w/ 2M VRAM,
17" monitor, Ethernet, PAS 16 soundcard, Pentium Ready
SAIR 500, 486DX @ 50MHz, 16M RAM, 2 245M HDs, 24bit Tseng ET4000 w/
1M VRAM, 20" monitor, Ethernet , SoundBlaster Pro, Intel Indeo Board
SAIR 330, 486DX @ 33MHz, 20M RAM, 245M & 105M HDs, 24bit Tseng ET4000
w/ 1M VRAM, 15" monitor, Ethernet, SoundBlaster Pro, HP ScanJet //c, CDROM
A3000, 030/882 @ 25MHz, 8M Fast RAM, 2M Chip RAM, 210M & 245M HDs,
OpalVision Board, 14" monitor, Ethernet
A2000, 040 @ 28MHz, 16M Fast RAM, 1M Chip RAM, 50M & 240M HDs,
Video Toaster, TBC, 2 14" monitors, Ethernet, BridgeBoard
:-)
Gregory R Block
: Ricardo Hernandez Muchado (ric...@rchland.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
: : Right now, for me, the A1400 is no more vapor than Windows NT is!
: Well, at least NT has been announced and advertised, so MS *has* to come
: up with something. I don't think Commodore has officially acknowledged
Anyone here remember Strike Commander? ;D
Greg
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Gerald G. Washington
>ger...@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>
>>Nah, you know how Commodore works--they'll keep the bloody secret even if
>>it means no development for it. I don't see the reason for excitement
>>(or even interest) over the rumored A1400. With the minimum A1200 still
>>maintaining a list price of $699, this new machine could not possibly
>>be affordable.
>
>Wasn't there a mail-order company selling the A1200 for around $400?
>That is a great price, IMHO, and C= could possibly set this as the
>price point for the A1200 when the A1400 ships. C= needs to seriously
>consider bundling their systems with "goodies" like the various Clone
>manufacturers are now doing. Simply adding a CDROM, speakers,
>monitor, and an audio digitizer to an A4000 system and then selling
>it for a decent price would make an attractive alternative to the
>various MPC boxes. Perhaps the CD32 will finally result in a CDROM
>solution for Amiga owners and allow C= to catch up to the rest of
>the world with respect to what is perceived to be multimedia by the
>masses.
Commodore has yet to set a good list price for any of their systems. The
A3000 was (is?) selling for the excellent price of $999, but I suspect
Commodore's price to be higher than that of the A4000/030. This vaporous
A1400 would be reasonable with the A1200's price of $699, assuming the
thing included a harddrive.
>>>: Raist A1200/CSA '12 Gauge' 030/882 @ 50Mhz, 16 megs Fast Ram, 200 meg HD
>>>
>>>Tracy Nelson
>>>Q700, 040 @ 25MHz, 12M RAM, 2M VRAM, 330M HD, external 100W Carver stereo amp
>>>feeding Altec Lansing "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers -- 3D sound!
>>
>>-- Gerald
>> Quadra 950, 040 @ 33MHz, 24M RAM, 240M HD, 24-bit RasterOps card, 20"
>> monitor, external 40M removeable drive, Microtek color scanner...
>> A500, 68000 @ 7MHz, 3M RAM, 40M HD, 45W Panasonic radio--kicks!
>
>Skip Sauls
>SAIR 660, 486DX2 @ 66MHz, 16M RAM, 245M HD, 24bit ATI GUP VLB w/ 2M VRAM,
> 17" monitor, Ethernet, PAS 16 soundcard, Pentium Ready
>SAIR 500, 486DX @ 50MHz, 16M RAM, 2 245M HDs, 24bit Tseng ET4000 w/
> 1M VRAM, 20" monitor, Ethernet , SoundBlaster Pro, Intel Indeo Board
>SAIR 330, 486DX @ 33MHz, 20M RAM, 245M & 105M HDs, 24bit Tseng ET4000
> w/ 1M VRAM, 15" monitor, Ethernet, SoundBlaster Pro, HP ScanJet //c, CDROM
>A3000, 030/882 @ 25MHz, 8M Fast RAM, 2M Chip RAM, 210M & 245M HDs,
> OpalVision Board, 14" monitor, Ethernet
>A2000, 040 @ 28MHz, 16M Fast RAM, 1M Chip RAM, 50M & 240M HDs,
> Video Toaster, TBC, 2 14" monitors, Ethernet, BridgeBoard
>
>:-)
>
Ooooo... Is that the best you can do? :-) Did I mention my Atari 600XL?
-- Gerald
Joe Hartley
>In article <1993Jul7.1...@telesciences.com>, Tracy M Nelson (tne...@fluorite.telesciences.com) wrote:
>: Ricardo Hernandez Muchado (ric...@rchland.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
>: : Right now, for me, the A1400 is no more vapor than Windows NT is!
>
>: Well, at least NT has been announced and advertised, so MS *has* to come
>: up with something. I don't think Commodore has officially acknowledged
>
>Anyone here remember Strike Commander? ;D
>
My first Amiga vaporware incident is still my favorite. One of the things
that swayed me to an Amiga back when they first came out was Borland's
announcement of TurboPascal for the Amiga (at the time I had quite a
bit of stuff written in it). They even had an ad in the first AmigaWorld!
They never did release it.
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Christoph Feck IRZ
[bunch deleted]
>
> >>: Raist A1200/CSA '12 Gauge' 030/882 @ 50Mhz, 16 megs Fast Ram, 200 meg HD
> >>
> >>Tracy Nelson
> >>Q700, 040 @ 25MHz, 12M RAM, 2M VRAM, 330M HD, external 100W Carver stereo amp
> >>feeding Altec Lansing "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers -- 3D sound!
> >
> >-- Gerald
> > Quadra 950, 040 @ 33MHz, 24M RAM, 240M HD, 24-bit RasterOps card, 20"
> > monitor, external 40M removeable drive, Microtek color scanner...
> > A500, 68000 @ 7MHz, 3M RAM, 40M HD, 45W Panasonic radio--kicks!
>
> Skip Sauls
> SAIR 660, 486DX2 @ 66MHz, 16M RAM, 245M HD, 24bit ATI GUP VLB w/ 2M VRAM,
> 17" monitor, Ethernet, PAS 16 soundcard, Pentium Ready
> SAIR 500, 486DX @ 50MHz, 16M RAM, 2 245M HDs, 24bit Tseng ET4000 w/
> 1M VRAM, 20" monitor, Ethernet , SoundBlaster Pro, Intel Indeo Board
> SAIR 330, 486DX @ 33MHz, 20M RAM, 245M & 105M HDs, 24bit Tseng ET4000
> w/ 1M VRAM, 15" monitor, Ethernet, SoundBlaster Pro, HP ScanJet //c, CDROM
> A3000, 030/882 @ 25MHz, 8M Fast RAM, 2M Chip RAM, 210M & 245M HDs,
> OpalVision Board, 14" monitor, Ethernet
> A2000, 040 @ 28MHz, 16M Fast RAM, 1M Chip RAM, 50M & 240M HDs,
> Video Toaster, TBC, 2 14" monitors, Ethernet, BridgeBoard
>
> :-)
>
I want to be _that_ rich.
Christoph
3k// Christoph `Pepo' Feck, TowerSystems
\X/ Waiting for RTG...
Gregory G Greene
'>Nah, you know how Commodore works--they'll keep the bloody secret even if
'>it means no development for it. I don't see the reason for excitement
'>(or even interest) over the rumored A1400. With the minimum A1200 still
'>maintaining a list price of $699, this new machine could not possibly
'>be affordable.
How about dropping the A600, price the A1200 at $399, and move this
A1400 into the $699 slot. This A1400 seems to be the pizza box Amiga that
lots of users want. The HD version could be a really good deal with those
cheap 3.5" IDE HD's
Greg Greene
g...@kepler.unh.edu
Dr Peter Kittel Germany
>In article <12...@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> pet...@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>>
>>But there isn't any R&D in Germany anymore (at least not from Commodore)!
>
>I guess this means that the a5000 probably isn't going to be finished
>for a while, eh? :-)
No. More precise info: The Commodore R&D in Germany was closed *several*
years ago.
Ricardo Hernandez Muchado
|> Ricardo Hernandez Muchado (ric...@rchland.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
|> : Right now, for me, the A1400 is no more vapor than Windows NT is!
|>
|> Well, at least NT has been announced and advertised, so MS *has* to come
|> up with something.
Gee, I guess you believe all that ATARI has said in the past years then...
|> I don't think Commodore has officially acknowledged
|> the A1400. And if the developers had one, don't you think *somebody*
|> would have leaked at least a little something?
Not necessarily, but hey, supposedly that *somebody* already has...
And BTW, I was poking some fun at Ian too... I think he's a nice guy.
|>
|> : Raist A1200/CSA '12 Gauge' 030/882 @ 50Mhz, 16 megs Fast Ram, 200 meg HD
|>
|> Tracy Nelson
|> Q700, 040 @ 25MHz, 12M RAM, 2M VRAM, 330M HD, external 100W Carver stereo amp
|> feeding Altec Lansing "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers -- 3D sound!
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// >>> I LOVE IT <<<< My comments are my own, not of my employer
Adisak Pochanayon
>'> ger...@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>'>(or even interest) over the rumored A1400. With the minimum A1200 still
>'>maintaining a list price of $699, this new machine could not possibly
>'>be affordable.
>
> How about dropping the A600, price the A1200 at $399, and move this
The A600 sells for $199 right now. The A1200 is at $399. I bought one new
yesterday for $399 (NO HD, NO Monitor, NO STRINGS ATTACHED).
adisak
Gerald G. Washington
>'> ger...@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>'>it means no development for it. I don't see the reason for excitement
>'>maintaining a list price of $699, this new machine could not possibly
>'>be affordable.
>
> How about dropping the A600, price the A1200 at $399, and move this
> lots of users want. The HD version could be a really good deal with those
> cheap 3.5" IDE HD's
That would be reasonable, but that wouldn't be Commodore. I still cannot see
why they released that backwards A600 at all. I still cannot see why they
left the clock (and manuals) out of the A1200 package.
-- Gerald
Jonas Minnbergh
>> How about dropping the A600, price the A1200 at $399, and move this
AP> The A600 sells for $199 right now. The A1200 is at $399. I bought
AP> one new
AP> yesterday for $399 (NO HD, NO Monitor, NO STRINGS ATTACHED).
Lucky bastard! Here in Sweden it's 4795 SEK.. Which is around $600....
Jonas Minnbergh
--- Spot 1.0 Unreg.
Roger Vodicka
Den the Wodge
<sigh>
Dennis Sibera
A1200, 020 @14Mhz, 2Mb chipram, 40Mb IDE HD, 1084.......goddammit!
Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden
> Lucky bastard! Here in Sweden [the A1200] 4795 SEK. Which is around $600..
Nope. It's 5495 SEK. But a lot of places is selling it for 3995 SEK.
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