CNCD's Closer! Who's seen it?
Philip Kaulfuss
game.. those realtime raytraced bits with reflections and shadows and
lensflares are excellent. d3m0 c0d3rz r3wl. =)
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: Who's seen this demo? Woah!! It's high time these routines were shoved into a
: game.. those realtime raytraced bits with reflections and shadows and
: lensflares are excellent. d3m0 c0d3rz r3wl. =)
wtf are you talking about, I want it... :)
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Philip Kaulfuss
: Philip Kaulfuss said:
: : Who's seen this demo? Woah!! It's high time these routines were shoved into a
: : game.. those realtime raytraced bits with reflections and shadows and
: : lensflares are excellent. d3m0 c0d3rz r3wl. =)
: wtf are you talking about, I want it... :)
Get it from aminet, demo/tp95/CNCD-Closer.lha
It needs AGA, and a fair whack of fastmem. It won the best demo award at the
party, BTW. =)
I might as well also say that -
2nd place was Oxygene1(+2).lha - very good
and 3rd was Faktory.lha - I think that's the right filename anyway.
All recommended by me. ;)
Chris
says...
>Who's seen this demo? Woah!! It's high time these routines were shoved
>into a game.. those realtime raytraced bits with reflections and
>shadows and lensflares are excellent. d3m0 c0d3rz r3wl. =)
I've seeeen it! =:) Veyr nice it is too - however, the size is partly to do
with how good it is - Over 4 megs if I remember! They put 1 meg anim, alone,
just for the credits!!
Pity it uses blitter screen <sob>! (Virtual Karting like `chequered` look)
One of the most impressive demos I own...
I would be suspect of the "real time" bits - aleast some of it is probably an
anim or huge amounts of pre-calced stuff... (where did all that over 3Mb go?)
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donjanus
: : : game.. those realtime raytraced bits with reflections and shadows and
: : : lensflares are excellent. d3m0 c0d3rz r3wl. =)
: : wtf are you talking about, I want it... :)
: Get it from aminet, demo/tp95/CNCD-Closer.lha
: It needs AGA, and a fair whack of fastmem. It won the best demo award at the
: party, BTW. =)
: I might as well also say that -
: 2nd place was Oxygene1(+2).lha - very good
: and 3rd was Faktory.lha - I think that's the right filename anyway.
: All recommended by me. ;)
Wait for TG96, TBL will win for sure... :D
I-GO/TBL (bl...@xs4all.nl)
David Packham
>In article <960218192...@boehme.demon.co.uk>, ph...@boehme.demon.co.uk
>says...
>>into a game.. those realtime raytraced bits with reflections and
>>shadows and lensflares are excellent. d3m0 c0d3rz r3wl. =)
>
>with how good it is - Over 4 megs if I remember! They put 1 meg anim, alone,
>just for the credits!!
>
>Pity it uses blitter screen <sob>! (Virtual Karting like `chequered` look)
>
>One of the most impressive demos I own...
>
>I would be suspect of the "real time" bits - aleast some of it is probably an
>anim or huge amounts of pre-calced stuff... (where did all that over 3Mb go?)
>
I agree, it`s about twice the size of most demos, and although long, is
too large for them all to be real time effects. Great demo of what an
expanded Amiga can do though.
Dave
S M Carless
: : Who's seen this demo? Woah!! It's high time these routines were shoved into a
: : game.. those realtime raytraced bits with reflections and shadows and
: : lensflares are excellent. d3m0 c0d3rz r3wl. =)
: wtf are you talking about, I want it... :)
It's a demo by a demogroup called CNCD which won The Party 5 demo
competition in Denmark this Xmas. 5meg HD space, and at least 2megfast
needed, although it should _theoretically_ run on a normal A1200, I
think. I never managed it. 030 recommended. :)
The graphics artist for this demo has worked for Bloodhouse, and did a
lot of the graphics for Super Stardust, btw. And Elfmania, I think. :)
It's available on Aminet in the demo/tp95 directory, or at ftp
i41s20.ira.uka.de, the Papa demo archive, in pub/TheParty95. 3 lha files.
And it's reviewed in the current issue of Amiga Format.
hum, a little off-topic, maybe. The 2nd placed demo, Oxygene "Vision",
had a really cool spaceship race part, a bit like Wipeout on da
Playstation. oo, that'd make a nice game. :) The demo needs 4megfast, btw.
Regards,
h0l.
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Chris
[lots of snipping later...]
>: Get it from aminet, demo/tp95/CNCD-Closer.lha
>: and 3rd was Faktory.lha - I think that's the right filename anyway.
>
>: All recommended by me. ;)
>
> Wait for TG96, TBL will win for sure... :D
>
> I-GO/TBL (bl...@xs4all.nl)
When is it? The quality & amazingness of AGA demos has really increased in
the last 2 or so years - people have started requiring Fast memory, and even
an 030 ; this suits me just fine, as you may guess from my sig :))
I can`t wait for the stuff to start arriving on the Aminet! If good enough, I
might even buy it on CD.
Only downer is that some git (only kidding;) made a demo for only an 040 and
an FPU!!! Should be some demo.....
Aki Laukkanen
: I would be suspect of the "real time" bits - aleast some of it is probably an
: anim or huge amounts of pre-calced stuff... (where did all that over 3Mb go?)
Indeed credits and some backgrounds are animations but apart from that it's
all real time calculated.
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Paul Branney
new version easier and faster or something? I had it before, but only started
playing yesterday. Like it the best of Doom games, along with Breathless.
Don't play others because not HD. How much is the full version?
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Philip Kaulfuss
Brian Hansen
much better production ???
I know there wasn't much new but it is thee most system-
friendly demo I've ever seen, Its fast, lots of parts,
humor and one of the few TP95 demos with music thats doesn't
make u turn down the volume.
It came in 7. BTW !!! :-((
PS does anybody know where to get the 4. and 8.
placing demo ??
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Betreff "Re: CNCD's Closer! Who's seen it?" :
BH> Am I the only one who thought that the Alcatraz demo was a
BH> much better production ???
Yes.. !
BH> I know there wasn't much new but it is thee most system-
BH> friendly demo I've ever seen, Its fast, lots of parts,
BH> humor and one of the few TP95 demos with music thats doesn't
BH> make u turn down the volume.
BH>
BH> It came in 7. BTW !!! :-((
BH>
BH> PS does anybody know where to get the 4. and 8.
BH> placing demo ??
They aren`t at the Aminet I think. I got the 4. place at the Party.
I don`t know anything about the 8. place.
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Phillip Snell
Re: CNCD's Closer! Who's seen it?...
I replyed thus...
Hi Philip Kaulfuss!
>: Wait for TG96, TBL will win for sure... :D
>What's TBL? =)
The Black Loutus :)
Have a look at TBL-SPE.lha in demo/aga. 'Tis pretty cool :)
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PK> donjanus (donj...@xs1.xs4all.nl) wrote:
PK>
PK> : Wait for TG96, TBL will win for sure... :D
PK>
PK> What's TBL? =)
PK>
"The Black Lotus", a demo crew, based in Sweden I guess. "Famous" for
big demos (700K or more) with quite nice graphics and sounds, the code isnt
THAT spectacular, but anyway a good designing crew (might be the new
"Phenomena"...)
MfG,
Andreas
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Brian Hansen
: On 22-Feb-96 17:19:48, Philip Kaulfuss (ph...@boehme.demon.co.uk) spoke about
: Re: CNCD's Closer! Who's seen it?...
: I replyed thus...
: Hi Philip Kaulfuss!
: >: Wait for TG96, TBL will win for sure... :D
: >What's TBL? =)
: The Black Loutus :)
: Have a look at TBL-SPE.lha in demo/aga. 'Tis pretty cool :)
You've got to be kidding. Its one of the slowest Tmap
at tp95, granted they have optimized the code since
their last demo, but if the demo isn't running fluidly
on the machine that the democompeticion says is base then
they have exagerated their objects.
Why not just use smaller objects and get the fps up ?
Just my opp.
Paul Dossett
>On level 5, where is code A? I keep dying as I have only 50% energy. Is this
>new version easier and faster or something? I had it before, but only started
>playing yesterday. Like it the best of Doom games, along with Breathless.
>Don't play others because not HD. How much is the full version?
Um, AB3D is HD installable, as is Gloom Deluxe.
AB3D is *far* better than Nemac 4 as well. I can't say for Breathless as I
haven't seen it, but I'd say that AB3D II will kick its butt to
next Christmas..
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Philip Kaulfuss
: Have a look at TBL-SPE.lha in demo/aga. 'Tis pretty cool :)
I had a look at it, and it's pretty good. Nothing to rival closer though, IMHO
Phillip Snell
CNCD's Closer! Who's seen it?...
I replyed thus...
Hi Brian Hansen!
>: The Black Loutus :)
>: Have a look at TBL-SPE.lha in demo/aga. 'Tis pretty cool :)
>You've got to be kidding. Its one of the slowest Tmap
Nope :) I thought it was pretty good.
>Why not just use smaller objects and get the fps up ?
Because smaller objects arnt as impressive as big objects?
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Chris
says...
>"The Black Lotus", a demo crew, based in Sweden I guess. "Famous" for
>big demos (700K or more) with quite nice graphics and sounds, the code isnt
>THAT spectacular, but anyway a good designing crew (might be the new
>"Phenomena"...)
700k isn`t big! 2-3 Megs is. "Closer CNCD" is of course ridiculous ;)
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: : Have a look at TBL-SPE.lha in demo/aga. 'Tis pretty cool :)
: You've got to be kidding. Its one of the slowest Tmap
TBL - "Spectral" was a rush-job to win a local demo-competition in Sweden
2 or 3 weeks ago, they're saving the big guns for The Gathering. Maybe
the poster is getting that one confused with "Mind Probe", their Party 5
demo? I like "Mind Probe" lots, especially the weird face effect and the
fishies..
..but then, I did write the music for half of it. :P
h0l.
P.S. Off topic, I know... I point everyone to alt.sys.amiga.demos!!!
Phillip Snell
Re: CNCD's Closer! Who's seen it?...
I replyed thus...
Hi Philip Kaulfuss!
>: Have a look at TBL-SPE.lha in demo/aga. 'Tis pretty cool :)
>I had a look at it, and it's pretty good. Nothing to rival closer though,
>IMHO
>=)
Oh no, but I thought I would be a good introduction to TBL :)
Fenric
|>Philip Kaulfuss wrote:
|>>
|>> Morden (s950...@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU) wrote:
|>> : Philip Kaulfuss said:
|>> : : game.. those realtime raytraced bits with reflections and shadows and
|>> : : lensflares are excellent. d3m0 c0d3rz r3wl. =)
|>>
|>> : wtf are you talking about, I want it... :)
|>>
Right. I'll have to get that.
|>Wah, its too big to get home from the pc at work. How the hell can I go
|>about getting it home/splitting it up and recombining etc? Any ideas
|>please?
There is a file on aminet (not sure where, util is a good guess) called Chunker.
This will split a file. There is an MSDOS version and Amiga version. Use join
on the Amiga to join them again.
|>
|>>
|>> It needs AGA, and a fair whack of fastmem. It won the best demo award at the
|>> party, BTW. =)
|>>
|>> I might as well also say that -
|>>
|>> 2nd place was Oxygene1(+2).lha - very good
|>> and 3rd was Faktory.lha - I think that's the right filename anyway.
|>>
|>> All recommended by me. ;)
|>
|>
|>Phil
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Casper
: Wah, its too big to get home from the pc at work. How the hell can I go
: about getting it home/splitting it up and recombining etc? Any ideas
: please?
Chunker.lha
It's on Aminet(tm).
Stu. :)
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Casper
: Alright now, I downloaded "Closer".
: I unpacked it to ram: and it put files EVERYWHERE.
: What the hell do I do to RUN the damn thing?!
Assign Closer: to ram, and run closer.fix
Stu. :)
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Philip Kaulfuss
: Alright now, I downloaded "Closer".
: I unpacked it to ram: and it put files EVERYWHERE.
: What the hell do I do to RUN the damn thing?!
Easy. =) I boot with no startup-sequence (it doesn't have enough memory with
me, otherwise), assign cncd: to wherever, cd to that dir, and run
closer_fix.exe
Andreas Keirat
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Mo> Alright now, I downloaded "Closer".
Mo>
Mo> I unpacked it to ram: and it put files EVERYWHERE.
Mo>
Mo> What the hell do I do to RUN the damn thing?!
Mo>
Double-Click on the icon, if its from "i41s20.ira.uka.de". Else start it
with "closer.exe" (maybe you have to boot without startup-sequence...
Assign a path to it aswell ("cncd:" or "closer:" dont know that ...)
Marc Forrester
> : : What the hell do I do to RUN the damn thing?!
> : Assign Closer: to ram, and run closer.fix
>
> Would be nice if some demo authors would include a bloody icon!!! :-\
:) Not putting the icons in is traditional.
Marc Forrester
>: Easy. =) I boot with no startup-sequence (it doesn't have enough
>: memory with me, otherwise), assign cncd: to wherever, cd
>: to that dir, and run closer_fix.exe
And for those of you who can't d/load 2M files, here's the source:
void main()
{
printf("getting closer...\n");
}
:) What am I doing wrong here? Snoopdos doesn't register it even
trying to load any further files or anything, that's just -it-.
Er. What actually -is- CNCD, anyway? BTW?
Vinnie P. Rice
> And for those of you who can't d/load 2M files, here's the source:
>
> void main()
> {
> printf("getting closer...\n");
> }
>
> :) What am I doing wrong here? Snoopdos doesn't register it even
> trying to load any further files or anything, that's just -it-.
>
> Er. What actually -is- CNCD, anyway? BTW?
I guess you should spend some money on some FAST mem (perhaps plugged in a
Blizzard Board). I don't think Closer will run on a 2Mb 1200 (or whatever
your specs are).
Though I must say, the source you gave away here (expect some real flames
from CNCD about copyright issues :) is quite interesting. I guess I'll
make a demo myself soon, with a similar message, and puzzle all the
Amigans about how to run it correctly :)
V.
Morden
: > void main()
: > {
: > printf("getting closer...\n");
: > }
: >
: > :) What am I doing wrong here? Snoopdos doesn't register it even
: > trying to load any further files or anything, that's just -it-.
: >
: > Er. What actually -is- CNCD, anyway? BTW?
:
: I guess you should spend some money on some FAST mem (perhaps plugged in a
: Blizzard Board). I don't think Closer will run on a 2Mb 1200 (or whatever
: your specs are).
Apologies for excessive quoting...
I have *16* megs of 32 bit 60 ns fast ram and that source code is still
absolutely correct for what the damn thing is doing!
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Aki Laukkanen
>I have *16* megs of 32 bit 60 ns fast ram and that source code is still
>absolutely correct for what the damn thing is doing!
The executable is packed with aging Titanics packer. You might want to try to
unpack it (with xfd maybe). That packer mightn't work with all configurations
or something. Oh, and did you remember the CNCD: assign and are you sure you
have all the files?
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astr...@netspace.net.au (Paul Dossett) writes:
>Paul Branney (p...@dcs.ed.ac.uk) said:
>>On level 5, where is code A? I keep dying as I have only 50% energy. Is this
>>new version easier and faster or something? I had it before, but only started
>>playing yesterday. Like it the best of Doom games, along with Breathless.
>>Don't play others because not HD. How much is the full version?
>
>Um, AB3D is HD installable, as is Gloom Deluxe.
>
I dont think so.. if you like super chunky games get ab3d bu if you like cool
playable games get nemac 4 (if it runs well on yer sys..) I have found nemac 4
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Vinnie P. Rice
> Vinnie P. Rice said:
> : I guess you should spend some money on some FAST mem (perhaps plugged in a
> : Blizzard Board). I don't think Closer will run on a 2Mb 1200 (or whatever
> : your specs are).
>
> Apologies for excessive quoting...
>
> I have *16* megs of 32 bit 60 ns fast ram and that source code is still
> absolutely correct for what the damn thing is doing!
Er, well, did you assign CNCD: to the dir where you unpacked the demo? If
so there's nothing more I can think of...
V.
Jyrki Saarinen
> Apologies for excessive quoting...
>
> I have *16* megs of 32 bit 60 ns fast ram and that source code is still
> absolutely correct for what the damn thing is doing!
Have you assigned CNCD: to the directory where you have those
files?
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hell, I jumped, and got my heart racing every time I heard one of those
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Paul Dossett
>>Robots *aren't* scary - I'm sorry! Play the Gothic Tombs level of Gloom
>>with headphones on and I guarantee you'll jump somewhere!
>hell, I jumped, and got my heart racing every time I heard one of those
>Reptillian critters racing towards me, not to mention the ghosts!
I had a friend over yesterday and linked my 2000 and CD32 for the first time
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shouting, 'waaah! argh! no!!!' :)
That's why I want CyberGraphX for AB3D 2 - so I can get the same from it!
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: Marc Forrester (me...@aber.ac.uk) wrote:
: ..because then you don't have to include the code to reply to the Workbench
: message needed to run things from an icon.. :-)
But you can just have a iconx script icon.....
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: On 6 Mar 1996, Marc Forrester wrote:
: > And for those of you who can't d/load 2M files, here's the source:
: > {
: > printf("getting closer...\n");
: > }
: >
: > :) What am I doing wrong here? Snoopdos doesn't register it even
: > trying to load any further files or anything, that's just -it-.
: >
: > Er. What actually -is- CNCD, anyway? BTW?
: I guess you should spend some money on some FAST mem (perhaps plugged in a
: Blizzard Board). I don't think Closer will run on a 2Mb 1200 (or whatever
: your specs are).
: Though I must say, the source you gave away here (expect some real flames
: from CNCD about copyright issues :) is quite interesting. I guess I'll
: make a demo myself soon, with a similar message, and puzzle all the
: Amigans about how to run it correctly :)
: V.
The new demo "gomjabbar" does a similar thing - iit does actually play music,
but accompanies it with a black screen and lots of HD loading...