Will Workbench 2.1 work fine under 2.04 Kickstart?
Bartosz Kijanka
Will it? I am running 2.04 and am curious if I would get any benefits from
running commodore's release 2.1 Workbench? Has anyone tried this? Also,
are 2.1 ROMs available already?
Robert Fentiman
>
>Will it? I am running 2.04 and am curious if I would get any benefits from
>running commodore's release 2.1 Workbench? Has anyone tried this? Also,
>are 2.1 ROMs available already?
The 2.1 ROMs are EXACTLY the same as the 2.04 ones. The only difference
is the software included. I have seen both upgrade packages at my local
Amiga dealer, the software upgrade for current 2.04 users, and the
software + ROM upgrade for 1.X users. They run about $45 and $90 (U.S.)
respectively. The only major addition I know of in 2.1 is the addition
of CrossDos. I'm sure others can fill in other enhancements.
Thanks
Robert Fentiman
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Douglas Taylor
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>running commodore's release 2.1 Workbench? Has anyone tried this? Also,
>are 2.1 ROMs available already?
>
2.1, according to reputable sources in Tampa, should be released sometime
in December (hey, that's NOW!); it will be a fully software upgrade
and won't require any new ROMs . . . the ROM release will only be
for the 3.0 crowd, who need the AGA support.
>
>
>bar...@u.washington.edu
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>
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>Will it? I am running 2.04 and am curious if I would get any benefits from
>running commodore's release 2.1 Workbench? Has anyone tried this? Also,
>are 2.1 ROMs available already?
There are some advantages to 2.1 over 2.04 - primarily the localization for
languages, numeric/time/date formatting, etcetera, but also style-guide
compliance and the new icon-based mountfiles. It's a "software" release,
so it'll work fine with earlier ROMs (a guide to follow seems to be the main
version number - if it's the same (eg all 2.x versions), it's compatible with
the ROMs...
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Rick Tillery
>
>The 2.1 ROMs are EXACTLY the same as the 2.04 ones. The only difference
>is the software included. I have seen both upgrade packages at my local
>Amiga dealer, the software upgrade for current 2.04 users, and the
>software + ROM upgrade for 1.X users. They run about $45 and $90 (U.S.)
>respectively. The only major addition I know of in 2.1 is the addition
>of CrossDos. I'm sure others can fill in other enhancements.
>
You know, one of my favorite 2.1 enhancements is the new method of using
mountlist entries. Under 2.1 (and presumably 3.0 on my soon to be A4000)
each mountlist entry is separated into a separate text file (without the
device name or # trailer/divider). The mount command is in the info...
of the associated icon. Double-clicking on the icon mounts the device.
Also, any device icons dragged into the DOSDrivers drawer (a stupid name,
I've renamed mine Devices to be more generic :-) will be automatically
mounted upon starup from within the Startup-Sequence.
For novice users, this makes new device installation a breeze. A simple
drag and drop, or a script to copy the file and icon (of course mine
would fail :-) would make the device mounted upon boot-up.
Nice touch Commodore!
Rick Tillery
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James Cooper
In article <1fel44...@ub.d.umn.edu>, rfen...@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov30....@u.washington.edu> bar...@stein.u.washington.edu (Bartosz Kijanka) writes:
>>
>>Will it? I am running 2.04 and am curious if I would get any benefits from
>>running commodore's release 2.1 Workbench? Has anyone tried this? Also,
>>are 2.1 ROMs available already?
>
>The 2.1 ROMs are EXACTLY the same as the 2.04 ones. The only difference
>is the software included. I have seen both upgrade packages at my local
>Amiga dealer, the software upgrade for current 2.04 users, and the
>software + ROM upgrade for 1.X users. They run about $45 and $90 (U.S.)
>respectively. The only major addition I know of in 2.1 is the addition
>of CrossDos. I'm sure others can fill in other enhancements.
... like a *MUCH* better asl.library (blazingly fast compared to 2.04
version) with more keyboard control (type a couple of characters, then
use the arrow keys to step through the filename list, etc.), the Locale
stuff, which helps non-english speakers tremendously, several bug fixes
taken care of in SetPatch, etc., etc.
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David Ingebretsen
> In article <1992Nov30....@u.washington.edu> bar...@stein.u.washington.edu (Bartosz Kijanka) writes:
> >
> >Will it? I am running 2.04 and am curious if I would get any benefits from
> >running commodore's release 2.1 Workbench? Has anyone tried this? Also,
> >are 2.1 ROMs available already?
> >
>
> 2.1, according to reputable sources in Tampa, should be released sometime
> in December (hey, that's NOW!); it will be a fully software upgrade
> and won't require any new ROMs . . . the ROM release will only be
> for the 3.0 crowd, who need the AGA support.
I just purchased the 2.1 enhancer kit mailorder for $45.
The ROM's also have a rewritten graphics.lib that about doubles pixel
writes on a 3000 (this according to AIBB benchmarks).
Will a version of the ROM's be made available for the 3000?
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Jan Nymand ESCO
>
> Will it? I am running 2.04 and am curious if I would get any benefits from
> running commodore's release 2.1 Workbench? Has anyone tried this? Also,
> are 2.1 ROMs available already?
>
There is no such thing as a 2.1 ROM.
If you have 1.3 you need the AS215 (2.0 ROM + OS2.1 + Manuals), if you
have 2.0 you need the AS216 (OS2.1 + Manuals).
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>
>running commodore's release 2.1 Workbench? Has anyone tried this?
Yes, me. Perhaps not so much benefit for you, but the major feature of
2.1 is localization of WB, so that other people can talk with the Amiga
in their mother tongue.
>Also, are 2.1 ROMs available already?
There are no 2.1 ROMs. WB 2.1 runs always with KS 2.04.
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>... like a *MUCH* better asl.library (blazingly fast compared to 2.04
>version) with more keyboard control (type a couple of characters, then
>use the arrow keys to step through the filename list, etc.), the Locale
>stuff, which helps non-english speakers tremendously, several bug fixes
>taken care of in SetPatch, etc., etc.
>
>--
and drop it into an ASL file requester and it acts as if you had typed the
name in the gadget. I use this with PageStream. Neato.
>---------------
>Jim Cooper
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>
>Any opinions expressed herein are mine (Mine, all mine! Ha, ha, ha!),
>and not necessarily those of my employer.
>
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Joel Edward Swan
>Will it? I am running 2.04 and am curious if I would get any benefits from
>running commodore's release 2.1 Workbench? Has anyone tried this? Also,
>are 2.1 ROMs available already?
There are no 2.1 ROMS. 2.1 is not a ROM upgrade. Use your surrent 2.04
ROM and the 2.1 WB update. They are available NOW for about $40-50 without
ROM and $70-90 with ROM.
-Joel
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J Hammond-turner
In article <1992Nov30....@u.washington.edu> bar...@stein.u.washington.edu (Bartosz Kijanka) writes:
>
From the info I got from CBM(UK) when they mailed me my developer's 2.1 release
disks, 2.1 is a disk based upgrade, that uses the release 2.04 ROMs. The note
sent with them says something like
"The Workbench 2.1 upgrade requires an Amiga running Kickstart V37.137..."
Now V37.137 was the KS revision that was put into ROM - although earlier
ZKiick/ReKick'able versions (such as V37.75) exist.
Hope this helps
Joel
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Hammond-turner) says:
>Now V37.137 was the KS revision that was put into ROM - although earlier
>ZKiick/ReKick'able versions (such as V37.75) exist.
That should be 37.175 (for A500/A2000/A3000). A600 uses (I think) 37.300,
which is very similar.
Jon Reid
>ALSO the ASL file requester works like an APP icon. You can drag an icon
>and drop it into an ASL file requester and it acts as if you had typed the
>name in the gadget. I use this with PageStream. Neato.
Hey, is that for real? It doesn't seem to be documented anywhere. How did
you find out, by experimenting? What other information is circulating as
folklore?
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David Ingebretsen
3.0 has a new graphics.lib in ROM that significantly speeds up pixel writes.
Will this library be released for 2.X OS on non-AGA machines?
Kevin W Davidson
It's for real. A dealer told me about it. I PRESUME that it would be in the
2.1 DOCS. I got my 2.1 as a developer with no End User Docs.
Ross Hippely - Manuals
>>soft-...@cup.portal.com (Kevin W Davidson) writes:
>>
>>>ALSO the ASL file requester works like an APP icon. You can drag an icon
>>>and drop it into an ASL file requester and it acts as if you had typed the
>>>name in the gadget. I use this with PageStream. Neato.
>>
>>Hey, is that for real? It doesn't seem to be documented anywhere. How did
>>you find out, by experimenting? What other information is circulating as
>>folklore?
>>--
>>Jon Reid j-r...@uiuc.edu GEnie: THE.REIDS
>
>2.1 DOCS. I got my 2.1 as a developer with no End User Docs.
Er, um, I'm afraid that's one feature that we neglected to draw attention
to in the user manuals. Sorry!
>Kevin Davidson, Asst. Moderator AmigaZone Vendor Support - PORTAL
> <soft-...@cup.portal.com>
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James Cooper
In article <Byr4...@javelin.sim.es.com>, ding...@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen) writes:
>
>3.0 has a new graphics.lib in ROM that significantly speeds up pixel writes.
>Will this library be released for 2.X OS on non-AGA machines?
That's graphics.library, not graphics.lib (the shorter version is usually
a link library in Amigadom).
Since its in the ROM, I doubt it will ever be released as a separate file
for 2.x systems. Perhaps they'll come up with a 3.0 release for non-AGA
machines, but that's probably the only way you'll see the new graphics
library without buying an AGA machine.
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: In article <1fel44...@ub.d.umn.edu> rfen...@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
: > [stuff about
: 2.1 deleted]
:
: Also, any device icons dragged into the DOSDrivers drawer (a stupid name,
: I've renamed mine Devices to be more generic :-) will be automatically
: mounted upon starup from within the Startup-Sequence.
Well, actually, the stuff placed there ARE DosDrivers. Devices is Exec
stuff, like trackdisk.device and narrator.device.
An AmigaDOS device is a handler/filesystem (basically the same) that
talks to an Exec device. So, the name DOSDrivers isn't that stupid...
Peter.
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