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Everett M. Greene

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Oct 20, 2008, 12:01:36 PM10/20/08
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Does anyone have knowledge of how one can make DSL work
with an Ami?

I could hook the router I've been using for a LAN to the
DSL modem and then connect Ami via the router to the DSL
net, but what would that get me?

I'm currently using a dial up connection using Miami.
Can Miami be told to use the Ethernet connection instead
of the serial port?

Jerry Heyman

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Oct 20, 2008, 1:28:22 PM10/20/08
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on Monday 20 October 2008 12:01 pm, moj...@iwvisp.com (Everett M. Greene)
wrote:

> Does anyone have knowledge of how one can make DSL work
> with an Ami?
>
> I could hook the router I've been using for a LAN to the
> DSL modem and then connect Ami via the router to the DSL
> net, but what would that get me?

If you hook the Ami up to the router (via an Ethernet connection),
it should be treated just like any other machine on your local LAN.

> I'm currently using a dial up connection using Miami.
> Can Miami be told to use the Ethernet connection instead
> of the serial port?

I'm not sure if Miami supports Ethernet, I've never used it.
If you have OS 3.9, AmiTCP is part of the OS and can easily be
configured. The difficult part is getting an Ami Ethernet card
(eBay is generally your best option), then purchasing a transceiver
(converts 10base2 to 10baseT). Ami Ethernet only runs at 10Mb
I have an A2065 Ethernet card installed in my A3000 and make use of
my DSL LAN all the time.

jerry
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Petteri Valli

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Oct 22, 2008, 3:34:58 AM10/22/08
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In comp.sys.amiga.networking Everett M. Greene <moj...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
> I could hook the router I've been using for a LAN to the
> DSL modem and then connect Ami via the router to the DSL
> net, but what would that get me?

Using router is the easiest way to get Amiga to internet. Then you can use
any of the existing TCP/IP stacks on Amiga. For example AmiTCP/IP,
AmiTCP/IP Genesis, Miami, MiamiDX and even older ones like
TermiteTCP. Older versions of AmiTCP are free, but others
commercial. Using router with Amiga is similar than using any other device
on your LAN. Preferably use static addresses and select ip address for
your Amiga. Enter ip address, netmask, gateway and nameserver information
to stacks config and basically that's it. And of course you must select
correct driver for your network card too.


> I'm currently using a dial up connection using Miami.
> Can Miami be told to use the Ethernet connection instead
> of the serial port?

Yes. Miami also supports DHCP if you don't want to use static
addresses. MiamiDX adds also PPPoE support, so there's ways to get Amiga
connected directly to DSL too. But IMHO the router and LAN way is the best
anyway.

If you don't own network card for Amiga, finding suitable depends from
your Amiga model too. Zorro-cards for big Amigas can be more difficult or
expensive to find, but not impossible. For A1200 and A600 you can get
cheap PCMCIA cards pretty easily. You can even get WLAN cards for them.
Then there's always the way to expand your Amiga with PCI-bus and then use
cheap Realtek cards found anywhere. Even 10/100 cards can be used then.
Amiga's original cards are 10Mbps.

zipper

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Oct 22, 2008, 5:54:06 AM10/22/08
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On Oct 22, 10:34 am, Petteri Valli <xx...@xxxx.xxx.fi> wrote:

> If you don't own network card for Amiga, finding suitable depends from
> your Amiga model too. Zorro-cards for big Amigas can be more difficult or
> expensive to find, but not impossible.

Probably not too difficult, X-Surf is available as new I think - but
not too cheap...

Everett M. Greene

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Oct 23, 2008, 12:24:08 AM10/23/08
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zipper <sip...@yahoo.se> writes:

You're correct about the X-surf not being cheap. I already
have one but it's been a bit flakey and a couple of months
ago it quit completely.

Jerry Heyman

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Oct 23, 2008, 10:37:44 AM10/23/08
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on Thursday 23 October 2008 12:24 am, moj...@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com
(Everett M. Greene) wrote:

If you're willing to do an eBay purchase, here's another X-surf

http://cgi.ebay.com/X-Surf-network-card-for-Commodore-Amiga-2000-3000-4000_W0QQitemZ230301093213QQihZ013QQcategoryZ4598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And it's relatively close to ya'll - seller is in Norway

Oliver N. Kuehlwein

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Oct 31, 2008, 5:22:14 AM10/31/08
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Everett M. Greene <moj...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have knowledge of how one can make DSL work
> with an Ami?

This is a very widespread setup here in Europe.

>
> I could hook the router I've been using for a LAN to the
> DSL modem and then connect Ami via the router to the DSL
> net, but what would that get me?

That's the way it works best. You haven't to work with special drivers,
just a TCP-IP stack (Miami, Genesis...) and there you go.

>
> I'm currently using a dial up connection using Miami.
> Can Miami be told to use the Ethernet connection instead
> of the serial port?

No problem. You only need Miami Deluxe if you want to connect to an dsl
modem directly instead of using a router. The latter is, as I wrote
above, far better and easier.
--
Oliver

Jerry Heyman

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Nov 1, 2008, 7:18:07 AM11/1/08
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on Friday 31 October 2008 6:21 am, News0...@kuehlwein.net (Oliver N.
Kuehlwein) wrote:

> Everett M. Greene <moj...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone have knowledge of how one can make DSL work
>> with an Ami?
>
> This is a very widespread setup here in Europe.
>
>>
>> I could hook the router I've been using for a LAN to the
>> DSL modem and then connect Ami via the router to the DSL
>> net, but what would that get me?
>
> That's the way it works best. You haven't to work with special drivers,
> just a TCP-IP stack (Miami, Genesis...) and there you go.

Just the necessary SANA-II driver for whatever Ethernet card
you plan on using. I'm using an A2065 with Genesis (Amiga OS 3.9)
on my A3000.

>> I'm currently using a dial up connection using Miami.
>> Can Miami be told to use the Ethernet connection instead
>> of the serial port?
>
> No problem. You only need Miami Deluxe if you want to connect to an dsl
> modem directly instead of using a router. The latter is, as I wrote
> above, far better and easier.

jerry

t3

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Nov 6, 2008, 12:40:51 PM11/6/08
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> You're correct about the X-surf not being cheap. I already
> have one but it's been a bit flakey and a couple of months
> ago it quit completely.

i would send it back to manufacturer for repair (individual computers).
repair is cheaper than buying new one and you'd know it works fine.

Everett M. Greene

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Nov 7, 2008, 1:10:00 PM11/7/08
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Good thought but the manufacturer is an individual in Germany
who hasn't been answering emails for the last several months.
Rumor has it that he's involved with the Natami project.

Speaking of Natami, has anyone ever gotten anyone to
respond to queries about that product?

Christian Hoppe

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Nov 7, 2008, 1:39:43 PM11/7/08
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Everett M. Greene schrieb:

> t3 <c64dunge...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> You're correct about the X-surf not being cheap. I already
>>> have one but it's been a bit flakey and a couple of months
>>> ago it quit completely.
>> i would send it back to manufacturer for repair (individual computers).
>> repair is cheaper than buying new one and you'd know it works fine.
>
> Good thought but the manufacturer is an individual in Germany
> who hasn't been answering emails for the last several months.

Jens (of individual computers) is very well reputated for his products
and gives good support if you ask for it. He also makes fine new
hardware for our amigas.

But he is a busy man and it may take a day or two or three until he
answers (but not months). Maybe you try to contact him again. If this
will not work, drop me a mail and I will try to contact him for you.

--
Ciao

Christian

Ive

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Dec 11, 2008, 1:05:45 PM12/11/08
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"Everett M. Greene" <moj...@iwvisp.com> wrote in message
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Nothing will be achived by LAN.

Like the Lenovo Vista, new Amigas have wireless, BUT, it aint the wireless
with the little led and like it's a network and hey this and that. It has up
to four channels, just like the wireless Vista uses to hook up with the
router/modem. You can use any PC router/modem-ADSL equipment, as long as you
have the means, or a specialist to connect the Amiga to router via the
channels. (one channel).


Farmer

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Dec 16, 2008, 9:57:51 AM12/16/08
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The way I do it is connect my router to the DSL modem and configure the
router to dial my PPPOE connection. Connect the Ami to the router, let
the router deliver an IP address to Ami via DHCP, and you're in. It's
been a year since I did it. I used a a PCMCIA Ethernet card in my A1200.
Can't remember if I used Miama or something else.

Jerry Heyman

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Dec 16, 2008, 3:45:16 PM12/16/08
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on Tuesday 16 December 2008 9:57 am, add...@server.net (Farmer) wrote:

> The way I do it is connect my router to the DSL modem and configure the
> router to dial my PPPOE connection. Connect the Ami to the router, let
> the router deliver an IP address to Ami via DHCP, and you're in.

I have my A3000 in a similar configuration, only I've done fixed IP
addresses. I'm using an A2065 Ethernet card w/a transceiver to change
it from coax <--> cat5. I'm using Amiga OS 3.9 and the A2065.dev from
AmiTCP.

> It's been a year since I did it. I used a a PCMCIA Ethernet card in
> my A1200. Can't remember if I used Miama or something else.

No wireless for the Amiga. I do have wireless connecting to the DSL
modem/router, but that's for my T60 thinkpad running Mandriva 2008.0
and Windows XP.

jerry

>
> Ive wrote:
>>
>> "Everett M. Greene" <moj...@iwvisp.com> wrote in message
>> news:20081020.7...@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...
>>> Does anyone have knowledge of how one can make DSL work
>>> with an Ami?
>>>
>>> I could hook the router I've been using for a LAN to the
>>> DSL modem and then connect Ami via the router to the DSL
>>> net, but what would that get me?
>>>
>>> I'm currently using a dial up connection using Miami.
>>> Can Miami be told to use the Ethernet connection instead
>>> of the serial port?
>>
>> Nothing will be achived by LAN.
>>
>> Like the Lenovo Vista, new Amigas have wireless, BUT, it aint the
>> wireless with the little led and like it's a network and hey this and
>> that. It has up to four channels, just like the wireless Vista uses to
>> hook up with the router/modem. You can use any PC router/modem-ADSL
>> equipment, as long as you have the means, or a specialist to connect the
>> Amiga to router via the channels. (one channel).
>>
>>

--

Hari Seldon

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Feb 13, 2009, 11:19:27 AM2/13/09
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Everett M. Greene wrote:
> t3 <c64dunge...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> You're correct about the X-surf not being cheap. I already
>>> have one but it's been a bit flakey and a couple of months
>>> ago it quit completely.
>> i would send it back to manufacturer for repair (individual computers).
>> repair is cheaper than buying new one and you'd know it works fine.
>
> Good thought but the manufacturer is an individual in Germany
> who hasn't been answering emails for the last several months.
> Rumor has it that he's involved with the Natami project.

AFAIK, the main guys are Peter K. (Kittel?), Gunnar von Boehn and Thomas
Hirsch, but recently some new members got taken on board, to work on the
3D gfx capabilities of the chipset - it already handles any screen mode up
to 1600 x 1200 - imagine 2 blitters and 2 coppers running at 200MHz - yaaaay!

> Speaking of Natami, has anyone ever gotten anyone to
> respond to queries about that product?

Just go to http://www.natami.net and browse the descriptions, or even lurk
around in the forums, as I do. There is a lot being discussed there, some
of it highly technical, that led to some improvements.

Basically it is a SuperAGA chipset running in an FPGA - so it`s quite a
lot faster than the original. The processor in the developer version will
be an `060/90MHz on a PCI card and the mobo will come with 256MB CHIP and
256MB FAST RAM. Then they will put the `060 into FPGA as well and call it
the N070 for a later, commercial release...

The hardware configuration should be 100% AOS v3+ compatible - so it will
run OS3.9 too. And have a PCI network card too.

AFAICS, it is almost in its finishing stages, should be out this year. I
am saving up for it, since my own A4k has given up the ghost...


C`ya,
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Everett M. Greene

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Feb 14, 2009, 2:02:30 PM2/14/09
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Thanks for the info. Now if the techies developing the
project will just get some people to handle the people
and business side of things, they may be able to sell
some of the Natamis some day.

Hari Seldon

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Feb 17, 2009, 2:23:06 AM2/17/09
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All in good time - it isn`t quite finished yet. It might also be handy to
get the guys at amiga.com and/or Hyperion interested in reviving OS3.9 for
the 68k with extended chipset...

So - are you volunteering? If so, you should make yourself heard in the
relevant forums. ;-)


Ciao,

B Sellers

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Jan 21, 2010, 7:07:07 PM1/21/10
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Yes it can do that.

later
bliss

Jerry Heyman

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Jan 23, 2010, 6:26:24 PM1/23/10
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B Sellers wrote:

The easiest thing to do is hook the DSL modem into a router,
then hook the router into a switch (or possibly the modem is
a router, or the router has multiple ports).

Then use Ethernet to connect the Ami to the switch.

It's the set up I use, and with AmigaDos 3.9, TCP/IP is
built in. You will probably have to visit aminet to find
the Ethernet SANA-II driver though.

Will Miami work via Ethernet? I think so, but I'd check
your Miami distribution to see if it has an Ethernet driver,
if not then check aminet.

Bigger question - do you actually *have* an Ethernet card
you can use with your amiga??


>
> later
> bliss

jerry
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