PageStream 3
Kevin W Davidson
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Ellen Kazmaier Director of Marketing 314-894-8608
800-829-8608
Soft-Logik Announces PageStream 3.0!
New York City (April 2, 1993) - Soft-Logik Publishing Corporation today
announced PageStream 3.0, a completely new version of the #1 Amiga
desktop publishing program.
Publishing Partner for the Atari ST was introduced in 1986 and was one of
the first desktop publishing programs. It developed into PageStream, and
quickly became the best-selling desktop publisher for Amiga computers.
But underneath the years of improvements, it was still the Publishing
Partner that Personal Publishing magazine called "a knockout program"
back in 1986.
PageStream 3.0 changes everything. PageStream 3.0 is the best
publishing system for any computer. Better than Quark XPress, better
than Aldus PageMaker. PageStream 3.0 has more features, a better
interface and a lower price.
Version 3 is aimed at the hobbyist who uses a desktop publisher to write
letters, and at the professional who produces high-end color separations.
It can be used to create single page flyers and to publish complex books
with multiple sections and chapters. The new revision control and job
system makes PageStream the ideal program for periodical publishers,
while the plate control system and trapping capabilities makes it an
industry leader for prepress work.
Soft-Logik listened to its users when designing 3.0. Every feature of the
new program is the result of requests from our users. PageStream 3
breaks new ground with a revolutionary tag system that allows tag
override, tag ripple and object tags. The new tagging system makes
applying attributes to text and objects easier than ever before.
PageStream's flexible toolbox allows users to choose a vertical or
horizontal toolbox to best suit their needs, and allows users to select from
small or large toolbox designs. The tab feature allows left/center/right
alignment on any character, and dot leaders (filled tabs) can be made with
any character.
PageStream 3 imports and exports all popular text and graphic formats.
Import a Word Perfect file and export a Final Copy document. Or import
an IFF ILBM and export it as TIFF. Import an Adobe Illustrator 3.0 EPS
file, interpret it into a structured drawing, and dissolve it into component
shapes and paths.
PageStream 3 sets the interface standard by which all other Amiga
programs will be judged. No program complies more closely with the
Amiga style guide or is easier to use. Version 3 is HotLinks compatible,
ARexx compatible, AGA compatible, ASL compatible and AmigaGuide
compatible.
Nobody has ever implemented ARexx like Soft-Logik. Users can write
their own scripts or use the ones included with PageStream. ARexx scripts
can be written from scratch or recorded within the program. Scripts can
then be played back, and if they include only PageStream specific
commands, they can be executed without ARexx at speeds faster than
ARexx!
The PageStream 3.0 publishing system comes standard with the
PageLiner 2.0 text editor and the BME 2.0 bitmap picture editor. These
programs are linked to PageStream with the included HotLinks 2.0, the
Amiga data exchange standard. Combining HotLinks with ARexx has
created the most powerful and easy-to-use data links possible. The
PageStream bundle also contains lots of fonts and graphics to help users
get started.
PageStream 3.0 will be available this summer for only $299.95.
Customers who purchase a full copy of PageStream 2.2 after March 15,
1993 are eligible for a free upgrade to version 3.0 by mailing their
registration card, proof of purchase and $5 for shipping and handling, to
Soft-Logik. Previous purchasers can upgrade for $125 if they own
PageStream 2.0 or higher, or for only $95 if they own PageStream 2 and
HotLinks Editions.
"PageStream 3.0 will change the way you think about publishing."
Kevin W Davidson
I am assembling a list of announced features and I will post here
when they are ready.
If you have a question, leave it here so that everyone can see the
answer, rather than by e-mail (I'm afraid of getting swamped).
As for the current most FAQ: What is the release date? All I know is
what's in the press release.
Kevin (soft-...@cup.portal.com)
-s88404011-s.kurlow-ele-60-
closely resemble a wordprocesser in writing large technical documents?
--
Stephen Kurlow
Software Engineer
Sydney, Australia. Internet: sku...@acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au
Kevin W Davidson
Maximum number of open documents unlimited
Max number of document views unlimited
Reveal/Hide document views Yes
Moveable document view windows Yes
Save program defaults Yes
Load program defaults Yes
Pasteboard/bleed area Yes
User-specified pasteboard dimensions Yes
Toolbox (move and change orientation) Yes
Edit Toolbox Yes
Number of operation/selection panels 6
Measurement system options 11
Set ruler zero point and offset Yes
User-specified view magnification Yes
Number of view magnifications 13
View magnification zoom Yes
Show/Hide invisible characters Yes
Undo levels unlimited
Online context sensitive help Yes
Document Construction
Number of pre-defined page sizes 9
Maximum page size (in inches) 2330"x2330"
Different page sizes in a document Yes
Change page size at any time Yes
Maximum document size (in pages) unlimited
Single and double sided documents Yes
Page spreads Yes
Maximum number of master pages unlimited
Hide master page objects Yes
Visual page arrangement Yes
Divide documents into sections Yes
Divide sections into chapters Yes
Automatic page numbering Yes
Link and unlink columns Yes
Word Processing
Cut, copy and paste text Yes
standard keyboard shortcuts Yes
Multiple Style sheets for text formatting Yes
Load and save style sheets Yes
Find and replace text and text attributes Yes
Find and replace style sheets Yes
Spelling checker Yes
Import/Export formats 7/7
auto conversion of quotes,
commas and dashes Yes
Maximum number of tabs unlimited
number of alignment options 4
place numerically or manually Yes
right indent tab Yes
User-definable tab leaders Yes
List all articles used in a document Yes
Typography
Number of outline font systems 3
Font sizes 1 to 50,000
increments 0.01 points
horizontally scale text Yes
Align text vertically Yes
Indents and outdents Yes
Auto/Manual hyphenation Yes
hyphenation controls Yes
Auto/Manual kerning Yes
edit kerning pairs Yes
Auto/Manual tracking Yes
Absolute and relative leading
(line spacing) Yes
increments 0.01 points
Frameless text Yes
Convert shapes to text columns Yes
Apply color and fill styles to text Yes
Automatic drop caps Yes
Automatic bulleted paragraphs Yes
Graphics
Import Bitmapped Pictures Yes
number of formats 6
set line frequency, angle and pattern Yes
contrast and posting control Yes
bitmap fencing for text runaround Yes
display bitmaps in color Yes
externally linked bitmaps Yes
Import Structured Drawings Yes
number of formats 5
dissolve drawings into paths and shapes Yes
Import Encapsulated PostScript
Illustrations Yes
number of formats which can be
interpreted 2
show bitmapped headers (TIFF and PICT) Yes
Save/Export/Print pages as EPS files Yes
List all imported graphics in a document Yes
Color
Number of color modes 5
24 bit color support Yes
Create process and spot colors Yes
Shade increments 0.01%
Automatic and user-definable trapping Yes
specifications (choke, spread,
knockout, overprint) Yes
specify trapping values for each
process plate Yes
Specify angles, frequencies for
individual spot colors Yes
Drawing and Object Editing Features
Drawing tools (shape and path) Yes
Select multiple objects Yes
add/remove from selection Yes
select behind Yes
Bring/Send to Front, Back, Forward,
Backward Yes
Cut, copy and paste objects between
documents Yes
Move and nudge objects Yes
Step and repeat duplication Yes
Rotate and skew objects Yes
rotation increments 0.001 deg
Group/Ungroup objects Yes
Lock/Unlock objects Yes
Distribute objects Yes
Apply color and line/fill styles to
objects Yes
Bitmap fills Yes
Gradient fills Yes
Object fills Yes
Text runaround objects Yes
Extend objects across page spreads Yes
Page Layout
Margin and column guides Yes
Object guides Yes
snap-to-guides, snap-to distance Yes
Grid Yes
snap-to-grid Yes
Printing
Current page, page range,
even/odd, printer spreads Yes
Print CMYK and mechanical separations Yes
Plate control Yes
Tiling, thumbnails, crop and registration Yes
Print to disk, to IFF ILBM picture Yes
Custom PostScript, HP and Epson drivers Yes
Interface
Open program architecture
(for adding extensions) Yes
Text (article) editor Yes
Picture (bitmap) editor Yes
HotLinks compatible Yes
ARexx compatible Yes
ARexx record Yes
AGA compatible Yes
Workbench 2.x/3.0 compliant Yes
Kevin (soft-...@cup.portal.com)
Note: the above list is not comprehensive.
bidd...@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
CG fonts in large sizes that is talked about in the 2.2 update been fixed?
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| Mail: bidd...@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz |
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Michael David Rosen
Does (or will) PageStream 3.0 implement full Postscript support. I understand
that previous versions do not have a full implementation.
In fact, I would like to know what a less than full implementation of
Postscript is on PageStream up to now.
Thanks,
mrosen
Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE
referencing, tables of contents, sectioning ... etc, or will these
features have to be implemented via arexx scripts?
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|"Border and Matthews are each on 69, and that's a pretty comfortable |
| position for them both". |
| - D. Gower |
+----------------------------+----------------------------------------+
| Trevor Elbourne | VLSI and Systems Technology (VaST) lab |
| tre...@vast.unsw.edu.au | Dept of Computer Science & Engineering |
| tre...@cs.unsw.oz.au | University of New South Wales |
+----------------------------+----------------------------------------+
Martin A. Blatter
: Does (or will) PageStream 3.0 implement full Postscript support. I understand
: that previous versions do not have a full implementation.
What do you mean by `full PostScript implementation'?. PgS has
always been able to ouptut genuine PostScript code for your
documents.
Regards
--Martin
--
Martin A. Blatter - bla...@ifi.unizh.ch, bla...@amiga.physik.unizh.ch
-s88404011-s.kurlow-ele-60-
: I`d like to ask some more fundamental questions. Does it do tables,
: referencing, tables of contents, sectioning ... etc, or will these
: features have to be implemented via arexx scripts?
Well it appears sectioning is available but things like tables, referencing,
toc, footnotes, headers/footers, bookmarks (re: refs), how about some simple
form of a script language cause how could one do numbering of chapters and
its subsections and paragraphs for technical documents. Here some form of
sequences command as provided in Word for Windows.
: | Trevor Elbourne | VLSI and Systems Technology (VaST) lab |
: | tre...@vast.unsw.edu.au | Dept of Computer Science & Engineering |
: | tre...@cs.unsw.oz.au | University of New South Wales |
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package but how about the fundamental WP support we want re: previous
appends? It makes PP 4.0 look like a SMALL upgrade with trivial
enhancements! So nice to see such professional S/W coming for the Amiga.
How about writing some pro
fessional spreadsheet S/W?
Also, does your program use datatypes for the files PG reads and writes?
Then other developers could utilise your datatypes for programs requiring
similar datatypes! And by publishing the interface other people can
understand its format and use where necessary, but I guess Hot Links helps
the latter although some cases may require one program to be able to output
a file in the PG format. So how about a datatype or more where necessary?
Graeme Anthony Riddle
OK I'll add a couple of questions:
1. Page breaks
2. Indexing
3. Table of contents
4. Tables.
5. Repeat last action menu option; i.e. to simplify repeated actions.
Do any of these exist in the new version?
Bye,
Graeme
Marco Mileto
for owning an Amiga!
1) Can PageStream 3.0 be opened on its own custom virtual screen? (i.e.
without opening on WorkBench?) If so, can the size of this virtual
screen be defined by the user?
Thanks,
Marco
Judith Lynn Nakamura
How is the tag support implemented? Paragraph and character?
Tag window, tag menu, or tag macros?
Conditional text?
Cross-references?
Auto-numbering?
Annotations?
View-only documents?
Document comparisons?
Support for RTF, MIF?
Support for index, table of contents, list of figures, list of
tables, etc., automatically generated?
Embedded variables?
In other words, how does the new version compare with FrameMaker?
-Ben
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< Benbuck Nason to...@cats.ucsc.edu ben...@mri.com
> (Not Judith Lynn Nakamura. I'm using a friends account)
> "April 29th brought power to the people,
< and we might just see a sequel" - Ice Cube
Michael David Rosen
>Michael David Rosen (mro...@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
>: Does (or will) PageStream 3.0 implement full Postscript support. I understand
>: that previous versions do not have a full implementation.
>
>What do you mean by `full PostScript implementation'?. PgS has
>always been able to ouptut genuine PostScript code for your
>documents.
>
>Regards
>
--Martin
I am refering to comments that I've read here and heard from other sources.
I believe that Soft-Logik has mentioned this before and Gold Disk has
claimed that they have a full Postscript implementation and that
PageStream does not.
Since I know that PageStream does output Postscript the questions are:
1. Is it true that PageStream does not have full postscript implementation?
2. If so, what does it *not* support, or what is the nature of the
implementation?
3. Is the Postscript implementation of PageStream 3 complete?
In fact, Martin, you may have inadvertently contributed to this question
when you explained that your product didn't do some sort of font
conversion due to the lack of a complete Postscript implementation.
I believe it had something to do with Type 3 fonts.
This is not really a question about TypeSmith. I'm trying to get a
definitive answer about PageStream. I don't know if the above assertion
about PageStream is accurate, although I've heard it from several
sources.
It sounds like PageStream 3 must have a complete Postscript implementation
considering the trapping and color sep features it claims. I hope this
is the case.
mrosen
Raoul Rodriguez
>In article <1993Apr6.0...@rzu-news.unizh.ch> bla...@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Martin A. Blatter) writes:
>>Michael David Rosen (mro...@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
>>: Does (or will) PageStream 3.0 implement full Postscript support. I understand
>>: that previous versions do not have a full implementation.
That is true.
>>What do you mean by `full PostScript implementation'?. PgS has
>>always been able to ouptut genuine PostScript code for your
>>documents.
That is true too.
>I believe that Soft-Logik has mentioned this before and Gold Disk has
>claimed that they have a full Postscript implementation and that
>PageStream does not.
I am not sure about ProPage, but PageStream does NOT have a full
implementation of PostScript...
Here is the test... import an EPS graphic, and then print it on
a non-postscript printer. Can't be done (in PageStream) becuase
there isn't a full implementation of postsrict... I don't know about
Pro Page (again)... and from my "impression" is that PageStream 3
will not have "full" postscript implenentaion either... But HEY!
I am THRILLED with PageStream 2... (and I don't have a ps printer)
so I KNOW I'll STILL be thrilled with Pagestream 3... :)
>Since I know that PageStream does output Postscript the questions are:
>
>1. Is it true that PageStream does not have full postscript implementation?
Yes. (see above)
>2. If so, what does it *not* support, or what is the nature of the
> implementation?
You can import eps graphics and print them out, you just can't
print them out on a non-postscript printer (you can't print out
PS Type 3 fonts to a non-postscript printer either)
>3. Is the Postscript implementation of PageStream 3 complete?
Don't know for sure, but I would bet money that it isn't (see above)
Full implementation of postscript is a non-trivial thing
>It sounds like PageStream 3 must have a complete Postscript implementation
>considering the trapping and color sep features it claims. I hope this
>is the case.
You've got me... :)
>mrosen
Raoul
Martin A. Blatter
: >What do you mean by `full PostScript implementation'?. PgS has
: >documents.
: I believe that Soft-Logik has mentioned this before and Gold Disk has
: PageStream does not.
There is currently no DTP program on the Amiga (and to my knowledge
also on other platforms) which has a complete PostScript interpreter
built-in (with the notable exception of GUIs which use display
postscript as their image model like the NeXT).
PPage and PageStream can import EPS files which adhere
to a certain standard (like the Adobe Illustrator or
the Art Expression EPS format). Actually, you can import any EPS
file into both PPage and PageStream but you can only print it to
non-PostScript printers if the program is able to interpret the file.
Anyway, both PageStream allows you to interpret EPS files
created with Adobe Illustrator, Art Expression and possibly other
illustration programs. I'm not sure if PPage 4.0 also allows you
to *edit* them like PageStream.
But neither PPage nor PageStream 2 have a built-in PostScript
interpreter.
: 1. Is it true that PageStream does not have full postscript implementation?
PageStream2 does not have a complete PostScript interpreter
like PPage and most DTP programs on other platforms (Quark XPress,
PageMaker etc.)
: 2. If so, what does it *not* support, or what is the nature of the
: implementation?
It is able to interpret EPS flavours which adhere to certian specs
(e.g. Adobe Illustrator). I'm not from Soft-Logik so I don't know
about PageStream 3.
: 3. Is the Postscript implementation of PageStream 3 complete?
I cannot answer that until I've seen PgS 3.0.
: In fact, Martin, you may have inadvertently contributed to this question
: when you explained that your product didn't do some sort of font
: conversion due to the lack of a complete Postscript implementation.
: I believe it had something to do with Type 3 fonts.
This is indeed the same problem. Whereas Type 1 fonts must fulfill
certain format requirements, Type 3 fonts can contain any PostScript
command. That's why only a PostScript interpreter is able to render
them. (There are several Type 3 `standards' though, like the old
Fontographer format).
: It sounds like PageStream 3 must have a complete Postscript implementation
: considering the trapping and color sep features it claims. I hope this
: is the case.
Hmmm...we'll see if it's the case. Anyway, the feature list sounds quite
impressive.
Marco Mileto
: PRESS RELEASE
: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
: Contact: Ellen Kazmaier Director of Marketing 314-894-8608
: 800-829-8608
: Soft-Logik Announces PageStream 3.0!
-- Lots of good news deleted --
: PageStream 3.0 will be available this summer for only $299.95.
: Customers who purchase a full copy of PageStream 2.2 after March 15,
: 1993 are eligible for a free upgrade to version 3.0 by mailing their
: registration card, proof of purchase and $5 for shipping and handling, to
: Soft-Logik. Previous purchasers can upgrade for $125 if they own
: PageStream 2.0 or higher, or for only $95 if they own PageStream 2 and
: HotLinks Editions.
If I am a "previous purchaser" of PageStream 2.X and Hotlinks (but not
"Hotlinks Editions") and Art Expressions what would my cost for
PageStream 3.0 be? Also, what kind of proof-of-purchase do you require?
: "PageStream 3.0 will change the way you think about publishing."
Even though it was buggy, PageStream 1.8 changed the way I think about
publishing!
Marco
Patrik Str|mstedt
<Some text deleted>
PPage and PageStream can import EPS files which adhere
to a certain standard (like the Adobe Illustrator or
the Art Expression EPS format). Actually, you can import any EPS
file into both PPage and PageStream but you can only print it to
non-PostScript printers if the program is able to interpret the file.
Anyway, both PageStream allows you to interpret EPS files
created with Adobe Illustrator, Art Expression and possibly other
illustration programs. I'm not sure if PPage 4.0 also allows you
to *edit* them like PageStream.
But neither PPage nor PageStream 2 have a built-in PostScript
interpreter.
Could anyone running PPage4.0 confirm that importing 'special' format
EPS, like Illustrator or Art Expression, in a PPage document, includes
viewing and editing, and not like older versions, just displaying them
as a grey box.
Regards
--Martin
Martin A. Blatter - bla...@ifi.unizh.ch, bla...@amiga.physik.unizh.ch
Thanks,
Patrik
p...@elixir.e.kth.se
Michael David Rosen
>
>Could anyone running PPage4.0 confirm that importing 'special' format
>EPS, like Illustrator or Art Expression, in a PPage document, includes
>viewing and editing, and not like older versions, just displaying them
>as a grey box.
>
>Patrik
>p...@elixir.e.kth.se
I can confirm that importing some EPS files into PPage will result in a
bitmap display of the imbedded EPS bitmap (TIFF header?).
The EPS files I used to test this were rather old and I don't recall what
program created them.
Not all EPS files contain bitmap information. Those files still appear as a
grey box in PPage 4.0.
As for editing EPS files, the manual claims that you can edit Adobe
Illustrator and Aldus Freehand EPS files by moving them into ProDraw. I have
not tried this, and I *suspect* that this may require the upcoming new
version of PDraw.
So, view EPS bitmaps? Yes. Edit them? I don't know.
Hope this helps,
mrosen
Kevin W Davidson
It supports "articles", "sections" and "chapters". I'm not sure just
what you mean by chaining beyond the current ability to link columns
together and have text flow between them.
Kevin Davidson, Asst. Moderator AmigaZone Vendor Support - PORTAL
<soft-...@cup.portal.com>
SOFT-LOGIK BBS (PCP MOSLO) (314) 894-0057
Kevin W Davidson
I cannot say at this time whether this restriction will be lifted.
Kevin W Davidson
>writes:
>>With the PageStream 3.0 announcement, I anticipate a lot of questions.
>>
>>I am assembling a list of announced features and I will post here
>>when they are ready.
>>
>>If you have a question, leave it here so that everyone can see the
>>answer, rather than by e-mail (I'm afraid of getting swamped).
>>
>>As for the current most FAQ: What is the release date? All I know is
>>what's in the press release.
>>
>>Kevin (soft-...@cup.portal.com)
>
>Does (or will) PageStream 3.0 implement full Postscript support. I understand
>that previous versions do not have a full implementation.
>
>In fact, I would like to know what a less than full implementation of
>Postscript is on PageStream up to now.
>
Currently PageStream can import any PostScript EPS file. In the most general
case, PageStream cannot display these files on screen (except as a box) and
can only print them to a PostScript printer.
If an EPS file has a bitmap header, then PageStream can print the bitmap on
a non-postscript printer and display the bitmap on screen.
For some EPS files, specifically those in Adobe Illustrator 88 format,
(which is a VERY common format)
PageStream can import the files, edit the files, display the files on screen
and print them to any printer. The same holds for EPS files created by
Art Expression.
PageStream can also create EPS files on disk. However, it does not create
bitmaps for them. Bitmaps are a convenience for other programs, but not
necessary for printing.
PageStream also cannot print Adobe Type III fonts (if you could find one)
on a non-PostScript printer.
These are the limitations.
It is possible with version 3 that EPS formats other than Illustrator 88
will be supported. However, version 3 is not slated to have a full PostScript
interpreter (the ability display a general EPS file on screen).
>Thanks,
>
>mrosen
Kevin W Davidson
>referencing, tables of contents, sectioning ... etc, or will these
>features have to be implemented via arexx scripts?
>
>--
index will be via ARexx. Stay tuned on this issue.
>+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|"Border and Matthews are each on 69, and that's a pretty comfortable |
>| position for them both". |
>| - D. Gower |
>+----------------------------+----------------------------------------+
>| Trevor Elbourne | VLSI and Systems Technology (VaST) lab |
>| tre...@vast.unsw.edu.au | Dept of Computer Science & Engineering |
>| tre...@cs.unsw.oz.au | University of New South Wales |
>+----------------------------+----------------------------------------+
>
Kevin W Davidson
I'm not the expert here, but I thought data types were new with AmigaDOS
3.0. PageStream 3 will will run on 1.3.
PLEASE DO NOT FLOOD ME WITH COMMENTS TO DROP 1.3 SUPPORT. I HAVE ALREADY
BEEN FLOODED ONCE.
Kevin W Davidson
see how to set the virtual screen size. Stay tuned.
Kevin W Davidson
>How is the tag support implemented? Paragraph and character?
>Tag window, tag menu, or tag macros?
Tagging is related to characters in PageStream. There is a tag window.
>
>Conditional text?
>
>Cross-references?
no
>
>Auto-numbering?
yes
>
>Annotations?
What do you mean?
>
>View-only documents?
No
>
>Document comparisons?
No
>
>Support for RTF, MIF?
No
>
>Support for index, table of contents, list of figures, list of
>tables, etc., automatically generated?
Index and table of contents. Vague at this time. Maybe internal,
maybe through ARexx. Same for others.
>
>Embedded variables?
no
>
>In other words, how does the new version compare with FrameMaker?
>
I haven't used FrameMaker.
>-Ben
>
No, means I don't have any reference to it in my current documentation.
>
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>< Benbuck Nason to...@cats.ucsc.edu ben...@mri.com
>> (Not Judith Lynn Nakamura. I'm using a friends account)
>> "April 29th brought power to the people,
>< and we might just see a sequel" - Ice Cube
>
Kevin W Davidson
h
>.ch (Martin A. Blatter) writes:
>>Michael David Rosen (mro...@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
>>: Does (or will) PageStream 3.0 implement full Postscript support. I understa
n
>d
>>: that previous versions do not have a full implementation.
>>
>>What do you mean by `full PostScript implementation'?. PgS has
>>always been able to ouptut genuine PostScript code for your
>>documents.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>--Martin
>
>I am refering to comments that I've read here and heard from other sources.
>
>I believe that Soft-Logik has mentioned this before and Gold Disk has
>claimed that they have a full Postscript implementation and that
>PageStream does not.
You will probably have seen my earlier post detailing the PostScript
implementation.
I am not aware of ANYTHING that Pro Page can do vis-a-vis PostScript
that PageStream can't do.
Specifically, PageStream had Adobe Type I font support first. I'm not
sure Pro Page really supports Adobe fonts yet (don't you have to convert
them to CompuGraphic?). Futher Pro Page cannot display or edit on screen
ANY EPS PostScript format, whereas PageStream does handle Adobe Illustrator.
>
...
>
>mrosen
ross mark
[stuff deleted about pagestreams postscript implemtation.]
>
>I am not sure about ProPage, but PageStream does NOT have a full
>implementation of PostScript...
>
>Here is the test... import an EPS graphic, and then print it on
>a non-postscript printer. Can't be done (in PageStream) becuase
>there isn't a full implementation of postsrict... I don't know about
>
I would like to ask a quick question... How does this prove the completness
of pagestreams postscript printing module? I thought the original question
was about printing not about its EPS import module. The fact that an imported
EPS graphic can't print on a non ps printer is not surprising in PageStream 2.x
since its import module was an includer not an interpreter.
I would have thought that the only test would be to read the postscript file
and see what functions are not used that are part of the postscript language.
[more stuff deleted]
>
>
>Raoul
Personaly I can't wait till I get the new program. Unfortuantely I don't
think it will arrive in time for me to write my thesis. It's chapter and
segment utilities is just the sort of thing I need.
Ross
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Computer Engineering | ro...@cs.unsw.oz.au
4th Year | R.M...@unsw.EDU.AU
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Jamie Krutz
Impressive announcement for PageStream3. As a PageStream user since the
first rev of publishing partner, I'm glad to see the program progress.
On the feature list you posted after a quick glance I didn't notice automatic
indexing and table-of-contents generation. Any chance of that? Ideally it
should let me manually mark index entries with hidden markers rather than
generating a (fairly useless) index of all entries of each word from an index
list. Does that make sense?
Thanks for the info!
-Jamie
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Jeff Hanna
>
>[stuff deleted about pagestreams postscript implemtation.]
>
>>
>>I am not sure about ProPage, but PageStream does NOT have a full
>>implementation of PostScript...
>>
>>Here is the test... import an EPS graphic, and then print it on
>>a non-postscript printer. Can't be done (in PageStream) becuase
>>there isn't a full implementation of postsrict... I don't know about
>>
Ventura Publisher, Quark XPress, Pagemager, FrameMaker, etc will all
fail on your test.
(load an eps graphic into a frame and then print the page on a non-PS printer).
It will not work! Why? Because you do not have a PostScript printer.
PostScript is a language, just like any other computer language. In order for
your "code" to run, it must be run on a machine that understands it.
Having a PostScript implementation means that the program will recoginize
PostScript Type 1 or Type 3 fonts, and can write out a PostScript file
either to a disk or directly to a printer.
A PostScript interpreter takes the PostScript file, rasterizes it into a
bitmap, and prints in. PostScript printers have this interpreter built
in. Programs like Ghostscript, Freedom of the Press, and Post do
this rasterization on your Amiga, and then send the bitmap file to
the printer.
Including a PostScript interpreter with PageStream would not be a good move.
PageStream is a DTP program, not a printer utility.
Try this experiment. Load an EPS file into a frame in PageStream and then
print it to a PostScript file on your hard drive (or floppy).
Now run that print file through GhostScript or Post and print it out on your
non-PostScript printer. Look, it prints fine! That is because GhostScript or
Post took the PostScript information in the EPS file, interpreted it, and
turned it into a bitmap that your printer can print.
Jeff
>
Teddy Wang
In the Printing Department...
Will PageStream allow the User to specify which fonts
he/she wants to download down to a postscript printer?
This is a problem which has been plaguing me for the
last few years with PageStream... I regularly print
out to a color postscript (KODAK) printer (dye-
sublimation if you're wondering), which only has
17 fonts. Sometimes PageStream prints files which
Pagestream thinks that the printer has a font but
it actually doesn't... It's a problem that costs me
$10 per page...
Teddy
Tom Denbo
I'm hot, I'm hot!
I want, I want!
Many thanks, many thanks!
Tell S-L we love 'em, we love 'em!
Were the hell is it?
{A few basic reactions}
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Tom Denbo
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10 bazillion features deleted
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> Kevin (soft-...@cup.portal.com)
>
> Note: the above list is not comprehensive.
Oh Yeah?!
Now which decade is this thing supposed to be ready?
This sounds like a five-year project! Lord knows that it's got everything
that we can imagine and more.
Kevin, are you sure that this is for real?
We're awfully close to April Fools Day here!
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Michael S. McKnight
In version 2.? PageStream had the bug that if you had a document, and that
document had a title page, and you wanted page-numbering and set it to start
with that title page as page #0 (so it would not be counted), or any number
below 0, pagestream would erase all the following pages. This bug cost me
a 25 page paper once! Has it been fixed in the new version?
If it was fixed in a patch, please dont flame me, I never had the guts to
try it again.
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>k Str|mstedt) writes:
>>
>>Could anyone running PPage4.0 confirm that importing 'special' format
>>EPS, like Illustrator or Art Expression, in a PPage document, includes
>>viewing and editing, and not like older versions, just displaying them
>>as a grey box.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Patrik
>>p...@elixir.e.kth.se
>
>Illustrator and Aldus Freehand EPS files by moving them into ProDraw. I have
>not tried this, and I *suspect* that this may require the upcoming new
>version of PDraw.
>
>So, view EPS bitmaps? Yes. Edit them? I don't know.
>
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>mrosen
>
Art Expression EPS format (as does PageStream).
Jamie Krutz
printer)
One way around that problem is to use ProVector and the PSImport module from
Stylus. ProVector is a structured drawing program which not only imports PS
and EPS graphics but lets you _edit_ them. You can then save them out in a
variety of formats, including the standard IFF-DR2D structured graphics format
on the Amiga. PageStream can import IFF-DR2D files and it can print them to
postscript _or_ non-postscript printers.
Cool, eh?
Later,
Christian Sarrasin
> I have a simple question for Kevin.
> In version 2.? PageStream had the bug that if you had a document, and that
> document had a title page, and you wanted page-numbering and set it to start
> with that title page as page #0 (so it would not be counted), or any number
> below 0, pagestream would erase all the following pages. This bug cost me
> a 25 page paper once! Has it been fixed in the new version?
I've had this happen to me once too, and fortunately, your pages aren't
deleted, they are still there. Only the page numbering is completely
wrong. The pages I wanted to be #0 and #1 turned out to be pages #65534
and #65535 or something like that. Try clicking on the "Next Page" gadget
of the toolbox while holding the shift key down (this is a 2.2x shortcut
that will get you to the last used page), and there tey are again. Next,
it's only a matter of selecting the whole page and using the "Move to
page" menu item to bring back the pages to where they belong...
Hope this helps...
Christian.
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W T Meyer
solution to importing EPS and wanting to print it on a non-postscript
printer. Have PageStream write the output to a postscript disk file
and use Post (at you favorite ftp site) to print it to your preferences
printer.
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Kevin W Davidson
$125. If you sent in your registration card, no additional proof is
needed.
Kevin W Davidson
I must be vague about TOC and Indexing at this time. It may be included
and it may be handled via ARexx. Yes, that makes sense.
Kevin W Davidson
I'm hot too! What's really funny is that the Feature List (awesome as
it is) really doesn't convey all that's going on. It's better than
you can imagine.
Kevin W Davidson
The boss says Summer. What can I say?
Kevin W Davidson
I don't see any additions in font downloading control. However, you
should be able to control font downloading using the fontequivv2 file
and the .PSF font files. You can also edit the PostScript file
with a text editor to make sure what fonts are downloaded. It will
be consistent (if not it's a bug and we'll fix it.).
Kevin W Davidson
As soon as I get my hands on a beta, I'll test it. Please jog my memory
about the end of May (a date I just made up off the top of my head).
Roger Uzun
displaying a page in 640X480 or 640X400 256 color modes, so
we can get someidea of what it will look like (in color)
on the screen before printing. Pro Page 4.0A does this,
and it is nice, but PPage 4.0A is SO DARN BUGGY THAT IT IS
ABSOLUTELY UNUSEABLE. I may have to switch over after many
years to PageStream, since Golddisk is so unresponsive on
this MAJOR fatal bug filled release of crap-ware.
(I love the speed and features of PPage 4.0A, if it would
just WORK without bringing the system down at every turn!)
-Roger
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Tom Denbo
> their own scripts or use the ones included with PageStream. ARexx scripts
> can be written from scratch or recorded within the program. Scripts can
> then be played back, and if they include only PageStream specific
> commands, they can be executed without ARexx at speeds faster than
> ARexx!
WOW! From no ARexx to the Best! Is this were the TOC and Index functions
reside as ARexx scripts? If so, that's just what I wanted! Makes them
easy to customize.
Will there be the cross-reference Arexx function, to insert "Continued on
page 789" or "See Illustration on page 345"? The page/section/chapter
references would change automatically when things were added or deleted.
It still seems like more work than mere programmers can accomplish. Is
S-L using some new development environment to speed development?
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Tom Denbo
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Tom Denbo
Parts of Monster Feature List deleted.
> Number of operation/selection panels 6
Kevin, please describe operation/selection panels.
> Undo levels unlimited
WOW!
> Online context sensitive help Yes
How big is this baby going to be? Will it rival a Toaster software release?
> Page spreads Yes
Enlighten me on Page Spreads.
> Visual page arrangement Yes
Will this be GUI page rearangement tool?
> Divide documents into sections Yes
> Divide sections into chapters Yes
Please describe the difference.
> List all articles used in a document Yes
What will show up on a list? a default name, user entered name?
> Convert shapes to text columns Yes
Will this allow arbitrary shaped text colummns?
> Import Bitmapped Pictures Yes
> number of formats 6
> set line frequency, angle and pattern Yes
> contrast and posting control Yes
Please describe posting control.
> Import Encapsulated PostScript
> Illustrations Yes
> number of formats which can be
> interpreted 2
> show bitmapped headers (TIFF and PICT) Yes
Is there a way to generate a bitmapped header for a EPS file?
> Automatic and user-definable trapping Yes
> specifications (choke, spread,
> knockout, overprint) Yes
> specify trapping values for each
> process plate Yes
Please describe trapping, choke, spread, knockout, overprint.
> add/remove from selection Yes
> select behind Yes
> Bring/Send to Front, Back, Forward,
> Backward Yes
Very nice!
> Move and nudge objects Yes
Sounds neat, what's a nudge?
> Distribute objects Yes
Please describe Distribute objects.
> Extend objects across page spreads Yes
How will this work?
> Plate control Yes
Please describe Plate control.
> Open program architecture
> (for adding extensions) Yes
WOW! Are we talking ARexx for extensions or what?
> Kevin (soft-...@cup.portal.com)
>
> Note: the above list is not comprehensive.
It still sounds too good to be true! I guess I should trust Kevin and
S-L, they are the last of the good guys and they wouldn't put me on!
SIMPLY INCREDIBLE!!
This will be the most anticipated software release in DTP.
UseNet will come to it's knees with excitement and traffic.
I hope Kevin and we'uns can survive the strain!
--
Tom Denbo
tde...@eis.calstate.edu
Kevin W Davidson
>
>Parts of Monster Feature List deleted.
>
>> Number of operation/selection panels 6
>
>Kevin, please describe operation/selection panels.
I can only explain the stuff I have documentation on which is
limited. A "panel" is something which presents options you
can pick from. Looks like 6 of em.
>
>> Undo levels unlimited
>
>WOW!
>
>> Online context sensitive help Yes
>
>How big is this baby going to be? Will it rival a Toaster software release?
The help files reside separately. I don't know the size of the program yet.
>
>> Page spreads Yes
>
>Enlighten me on Page Spreads.
This is when an object spans more than one page.
>
>> Visual page arrangement Yes
>
>Will this be GUI page rearangement tool?
Of some kind.
>
>> Divide documents into sections Yes
>> Divide sections into chapters Yes
>
>Please describe the difference.
Sections are a smaller subdivision than chapters.
>
>> List all articles used in a document Yes
>
>What will show up on a list? a default name, user entered name?
Probably the name of the text file you imported.
>
>> Convert shapes to text columns Yes
>
>Will this allow arbitrary shaped text colummns?
Not sure.
>
>> Import Bitmapped Pictures Yes
>> number of formats 6
>> set line frequency, angle and pattern Yes
>> contrast and posting control Yes
>
>Please describe posting control.
Dunno.
>
>> Import Encapsulated PostScript
>> Illustrations Yes
>> number of formats which can be
>> interpreted 2
>> show bitmapped headers (TIFF and PICT) Yes
>
>Is there a way to generate a bitmapped header for a EPS file?
I doubt it.
>
>> Automatic and user-definable trapping Yes
>> specifications (choke, spread,
>> knockout, overprint) Yes
>> specify trapping values for each
>> process plate Yes
>
>Please describe trapping, choke, spread, knockout, overprint.
Get a DTP book. These deal with how colored objects overlap, but
I can't give you teh details.
>
>> add/remove from selection Yes
>> select behind Yes
>> Bring/Send to Front, Back, Forward,
>> Backward Yes
>
>Very nice!
>
>> Move and nudge objects Yes
>
>Sounds neat, what's a nudge?
You can move an object by an increment rather than positioning it. There's
an Arexx command that will NUDGE the selected object.
>
>> Distribute objects Yes
>
>Please describe Distribute objects.
Take objects and evenly space them out.
>
>> Extend objects across page spreads Yes
>
>How will this work?
Very well.
>
>> Plate control Yes
>
>Please describe Plate control.
Sorry, too technical.
>
>> Open program architecture
>> (for adding extensions) Yes
>
>WOW! Are we talking ARexx for extensions or what?
It's more than Arexx, but I don't have details.
>
>> Kevin (soft-...@cup.portal.com)
>>
>> Note: the above list is not comprehensive.
>
>It still sounds too good to be true! I guess I should trust Kevin and
>S-L, they are the last of the good guys and they wouldn't put me on!
>
>SIMPLY INCREDIBLE!!
>
>This will be the most anticipated software release in DTP.
>UseNet will come to it's knees with excitement and traffic.
>
>I hope Kevin and we'uns can survive the strain!
Amen
>--
>Tom Denbo
>tde...@eis.calstate.edu
Kevin W Davidson
>displaying a page in 640X480 or 640X400 256 color modes, so
>we can get someidea of what it will look like (in color)
yes.
>on the screen before printing. Pro Page 4.0A does this,
>and it is nice, but PPage 4.0A is SO DARN BUGGY THAT IT IS
>ABSOLUTELY UNUSEABLE. I may have to switch over after many
>years to PageStream, since Golddisk is so unresponsive on
>this MAJOR fatal bug filled release of crap-ware.
>(I love the speed and features of PPage 4.0A, if it would
>just WORK without bringing the system down at every turn!)
>
>-Roger
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>bix: ruzun
>NET: uz...@crash.cts.com
>
Paula Lieberman
wrote:
SLW> Subject: PageStream 3
SLW> Message-ID: <78...@cup.portal.com>
SLW> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 93 14:04:50 PDT
SLW> PRESS RELEASE
SLW> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
SLW> Contact: Ellen Kazmaier Director of Marketing 314-894-8608
SLW> 800-829-8608
SLW> Soft-Logik Announces PageStream 3.0!
SLW> New York City (April 2, 1993) - Soft-Logik Publishing Corporation
SLW> today
SLW> announced PageStream 3.0, a completely new version of the #1 Amiga
SLW> desktop publishing program.
SLW> Publishing Partner for the Atari ST was introduced in 1986 and was
SLW> one of
SLW> the first desktop publishing programs. It developed into PageStream,
SLW> and
SLW> quickly became the best-selling desktop publisher for Amiga
SLW> computers.
SLW> But underneath the years of improvements, it was still the
SLW> Publishing
SLW> Partner that Personal Publishing magazine called "a knockout
SLW> program"
SLW> back in 1986.
SLW> PageStream 3.0 changes everything. PageStream 3.0 is the best
SLW> publishing system for any computer. Better than Quark XPress, better
Until it support making tables with word-wrapped multiple lines of text in
boxes in the table,and automatic vertical resizing of boxes in the table to
fit the entry contents, and ability to move rows/columns of entries around,
add/delete rows of entries, etc., it rates a D- for utilty for me. I NEED
THAT FEATURE, which Ventura Publisher has had since before Ventura
Publisher was named Ventura Publisher, back when it was DTP software that
came with a proprietary Xerox microcomputer than ran off an 80x86-family
chip, before PC-DOS from IBM became the de facto MS-DOS standard...
-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
Tom Denbo
> I have a simple question for Kevin.
>
> In version 2.? PageStream had the bug that if you had a document, and that
> document had a title page, and you wanted page-numbering and set it to start
> with that title page as page #0 (so it would not be counted), or any number
> below 0, pagestream would erase all the following pages. This bug cost me
> a 25 page paper once! Has it been fixed in the new version?
>
> If it was fixed in a patch, please dont flame me, I never had the guts to
> try it again.
Good grief, man don't panic! Just save another copy, so if you blow it,
your OK. Also if you save your work periodically (which you should
allways do) then if you munge the copy in memory, just don't save the
munged copy, the saved version should still be OK.
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Tom Denbo
tde...@eis.calstate.edu
Jean Pepin
>>I have a simple question for Kevin.
>>
>>In version 2.? PageStream had the bug that if you had a document, and that
>>document had a title page, and you wanted page-numbering and set it to start
>>with that title page as page #0 (so it would not be counted), or any number
>>below 0, pagestream would erase all the following pages. This bug cost me
>>a 25 page paper once! Has it been fixed in the new version?
>>
>>If it was fixed in a patch, please dont flame me, I never had the guts to
>>try it again.
>>
>>
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You can retreive your document by appending this document itself. The best
place for title page is at the end of document
>As soon as I get my hands on a beta, I'll test it. Please jog my memory
>about the end of May (a date I just made up off the top of my head).
>Kevin Davidson, Asst. Moderator AmigaZone Vendor Support - PORTAL
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Jean Pepin
I was suggested output in iff24bits, in that way Pagestream will be easily
used for Video Titling & Presentation not only a previewer.
Francis Lui
>msmc...@unccsun.uncc.edu (Michael S. McKnight) writes:
>> In version 2.? PageStream had the bug that if you had a document, and that
>> document had a title page, and you wanted page-numbering and set it to start
>> with that title page as page #0 (so it would not be counted), or any number
>> below 0, pagestream would erase all the following pages. This bug cost me
>> a 25 page paper once! Has it been fixed in the new version?
...and I thought ProPage v4.0 was the buggiest Amiga program I've ever
used! (Actually, the second-buggiest--I think the early versions of
Pen Pal were even buggier.) At least ProPage has never had the bug
you've just described, but v4.0 has a lot of bugs that none of the
releases from v1.3-3.0 ever had! Who knows? Maybe Gold Disk will
put that bug in v5.0 (along with an appropriate number of useless
freebies like that joke of a graphic editor whose only redeeming
feature is the real-time scrolling in zoom mode, but which can't even
handle HAM).
I'm sorry; I'm rambling again. Not to worry--I hope I won't have to
use ProPage much after I get FrameMaker for Windows...
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Jamie Krutz
>I must be vague about TOC and Indexing at this time. It may be included
Thanks for your reply, Kevin. If they handle it via ARexx I hope they include
an ARexxable way to search for hidden characters or for a specific tag type so
I can manually mark index and TOC entries and write a script to search for
only those marked entries, grab the page number for each, format them as
desired and print them on the index and TOC page respectively. What I don't
want to be stuck with is an index which shows every iteration of a particular
word or phrase. I want to be able to mark just specific instances of words;
instances that matter. I hate indexes which have useless entries pointing to
places where a word was just used in passing...
Later,
Jamie Krutz
The list didn't mention Amiga Clipboard support for IFF-FTXT, IFF-ILBM and
IFF_DR2D. Is it "in there"?
Thanks,
Faith and Devotion
formats (the + meaning more to come)... any idea which formats? More
specifically, will Word5.1 be included?
-Judas
Jean Pepin
>In article <C596w...@eis.calstate.edu> tde...@eis.calstate.edu (Tom Denbo) writes:
>>msmc...@unccsun.uncc.edu (Michael S. McKnight) writes:
>>> In version 2.? PageStream had the bug that if you had a document, and that
>>> document had a title page, and you wanted page-numbering and set it to start
>>> with that title page as page #0 (so it would not be counted), or any number
>>> below 0, pagestream would erase all the following pages. This bug cost me
>>> a 25 page paper once! Has it been fixed in the new version?
>...and I thought ProPage v4.0 was the buggiest Amiga program I've ever
>used! (Actually, the second-buggiest--I think the early versions of
>Pen Pal were even buggier.) At least ProPage has never had the bug
>you've just described, but v4.0 has a lot of bugs that none of the
>releases from v1.3-3.0 ever had! Who knows? Maybe Gold Disk will
>put that bug in v5.0 (along with an appropriate number of useless
>freebies like that joke of a graphic editor whose only redeeming
>feature is the real-time scrolling in zoom mode, but which can't even
>handle HAM).
It's not properly a bug, when you print a document you are not obligated to
put your documment in same order, putting front page at end it's not really
a problem. ;) I prefer that Pagestream team take priority to uncommon
feature, like bolean operation in drawing object, than correcting a
"peccadille" like that.
>I'm sorry; I'm rambling again. Not to worry--I hope I won't have to
>use ProPage much after I get FrameMaker for Windows...
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>RE: Pagestream and font(s0 downloading.
I have encountered the same problem. Most people that bring color jobs
to me have not tested the output to a postscript device (or file).
Customers can't understand why it worked on there dot matrix but refuses
to print postscript.
I've found ProPage to be much more stable for Postscript work.
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> boxes in the table,and automatic vertical resizing of boxes in the table to
> fit the entry contents, and ability to move rows/columns of entries around,
> add/delete rows of entries, etc., it rates a D- for utilty for me. I NEED
> THAT FEATURE, which Ventura Publisher has had since before Ventura
> Publisher was named Ventura Publisher, back when it was DTP software that
> came with a proprietary Xerox microcomputer than ran off an 80x86-family
> chip, before PC-DOS from IBM became the de facto MS-DOS standard...
Lighten up, Paula! SoftLogic deserves a lot of credit for what they DID put
into PageStream V3. I have no doubt that you and some number of other
folks have firm requirements for the table features you describe, but
PLEASE don't invalidate the fact that V3 is going to make an awful lot of
people happy. No single release is going to satisfy ALL the needs of ALL
the potential users; the best a software engineer can hope for is to meet
the most important needs of the audience to which (s)he is addressing the
product.
If the ARexx support is rich enough (including allowing scripts to learn
the attributes of objects on the page), it may well be possible for you
to customize tables to your heart's content. (Then you could go into
business selling PageStream enhancement scripts. 8^) I'm looking forward
to trying my hand at customized PageStream functions.
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John Tyrrell
With respect to your problems with PPage 4.0A and crashes - are you trying
to use lots of graphics in your documents? There is a major problem here
in that PPage 4.0 does not release the memory used by a box containing a
graphic - not when you delete the box, delete the page, delete the
document, nor even when you exit the program. However, if you GREEK the
box before you take any of these actions, memory is released completely.
Fortunately, there is a Genie which will Greek all the boxes in a document
for you.
Also, bit mapped graphics use up a heck of a lot of memory - so it is wise
to Greek the boxes anyway.
With respect to Gold Disk's responsiveness, I found them very responsive
(at least to developing this workaround) by E-mailing them on (I hate to
say this) Compu$erve. They are on (I hate to say this even more) one of
the IBM vendor support forums. My queries were answered the next day -
and with a little discussion, the problem was identified as heavy graphic
use, and the bug which does not release memory properly. Since then, the
crashes have stopped - and I find it more stable than the 3.0 version.
Check it out - if this is your problem, the workaround - Greek Boxes - is
there. Regardless - Gold Disk does owe us another patch which will fix
this problem - write them - E-Mail them.
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Michael S McKnight
I did! I saved the file about every 20mins.. problem was, I saved it under
the same name. Not so uncommon... the object of saving is to have a copy as
backup... not to have a copy for every change made. Plus, I didnt realize
what it had done until I had exited PageStream and reentered it and tried to
load the document. The damage didnt show up right away... just when I
reloaded it. Actually, pagestream crashed on me when I tried to go back to
the title page... thats why I had to reload it in the first place.
Michael S McKnight
>soft-...@cup.portal.com (Kevin W Davidson) writes:
>
>>>I have a simple question for Kevin.
>>>
>>>In version 2.? PageStream had the bug that if you had a document, and that
>>>document had a title page, and you wanted page-numbering and set it to start
>>>with that title page as page #0 (so it would not be counted), or any number
>>>below 0, pagestream would erase all the following pages. This bug cost me
>>>a 25 page paper once! Has it been fixed in the new version?
>>>
>
>place for title page is at the end of document
>
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Wish I had known that then! Point is, it is a bug and I just wanted to know
if it was fixed.
Kevin W Davidson
text import modules. NOTE THE WORD TEXT.
Kevin
William Roger Uzun
>
>
>With respect to your problems with PPage 4.0A and crashes - are you trying
>to use lots of graphics in your documents? There is a major problem here
>in that PPage 4.0 does not release the memory used by a box containing a
>graphic - not when you delete the box, delete the page, delete the
>document, nor even when you exit the program. However, if you GREEK the
Please, I wish the problems were that simple. PPage 4.0A corrupts the
system mem list badly, regardless of the state of graphics boxes (I
tried the GREEKing box trick a while ago). PPage 4.0A even writes
debug data to the serial port when I try to print most documents
(-- Symnew failed for ss0 is the msg).
This is a PITIFUL release, with MANY major bugs. Take a look
at the golddisk conference on bix. No one over there finds
it useable in the least. I have been a loyal and prolific
user of PPage since 1.2, and this release really cost me a lot
of time and $$$.
The fact that it is sending debug info to the serial port on printouts,
shows how little testing went into this joke of an update.
It is patently unuseable, just because it does not immediatly crash
on exit, does not mean it left the system in a stable state.
Try testing the system more completely after you exit with the
GREEKing trick, do an avail, start a terminal pgm after you
have been working in PPage a while and before you exit, and
you will see what I mean. If all you do is go into PPage,
do your work, and then reboot, you will probably not have a problem,
but try and exit ppage, or run something else, and you will find
that the system has been rendered hopelessly corrupt by PPage 4.0A.
I hope they fix the MANY MAJOR bugs soon. Everyone on bix including
myself are about to give up on golddisk, after this careless, pathetic
release.
-Roger
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MARC VAILLANCOURT
>Some version of Microsoft Word is one of the PageStream 3 scheduled
>text import modules. NOTE THE WORD TEXT.
What about RTF (Rich Text Format)?
Marc
John Orr - CATS
>In article <C596w...@eis.calstate.edu> tde...@eis.calstate.edu (Tom Denbo) writes:
>>msmc...@unccsun.uncc.edu (Michael S. McKnight) writes:
>>> I have a simple question for Kevin.
>>>
>>> In version 2.? PageStream had the bug that if you had a document, and that
>>> document had a title page, and you wanted page-numbering and set it to start
>>> with that title page as page #0 (so it would not be counted), or any number
>>> below 0, pagestream would erase all the following pages.
I ran into this problem, twice. The first time was using a large
starting page number (somewhere in the 800s I believe). The other was
with a page number of zero.
Actually, it doesn't "erase" the pages. They are all still in the
Pagestream file. Pagestream appears to have a problem loading a
document with a page number starting at zero (or less?). I was able
to fix a document by changing the byte (or was it a word?) in the
pagestream file that corresponded to the starting page number.
I figured which word by creating and saving a document with a starting
page of one. I changed the starting page number to zero and saved the
file under a different file name. It was relatively easy to find out
where the starting page number was in a pagestream file by looking for
differences between the files with a file editor utility.
--John
Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE
me...@IASTATE.EDU (W T Meyer) writes:
: I'm suprised no one has mentioned the obvious, albeit a tad cumbersome,
: solution to importing EPS and wanting to print it on a non-postscript
: printer. Have PageStream write the output to a postscript disk file
: and use Post (at you favorite ftp site) to print it to your preferences
: printer.
Given the post library exists, what if we could use Arexx to
post.library ? Or even hotlink to post ? It's obvious the current
version does not implement the either feature, but the source is there
and the Author wouldn't mind. The Post library should be supported more
than it is. Another solution I have found is that I import the EPS file,
and then I use Post to render an IFF to the apropriate res (A bit of math here
depending on the printer) then I import the IFF version and lock it over the
EPS. I can then work with both. Near the end I cen either get rid of the
bitmap for a laser printer, or the EPS for a bitmap. via Arexx I asume that
I can automaticaly do that with a hotkey. Get rid of all EPS or Bitmaps
and print. Works great, try it.
George
Kevin W Davidson
>
> Marc
Not currently on the list.
Kevin (soft-...@cup.portal.com)
Gregory R Block
: Given the post library exists, what if we could use Arexx to
Arexx would be nice.
Hotlinks to post? What, so you could have a new printout of it every
time it changed??? :)
: version does not implement the either feature, but the source is there
: and the Author wouldn't mind. The Post library should be supported more
THIS is what I responded for.
Could someone tell me the status of post.library? Is it GPL?
source-released freeware, what? May I, if I wished, do a major rewrite
and release it?
Greg
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writes:
>Could someone tell me the status of post.library? Is it GPL?
>source-released freeware, what? May I, if I wished, do a major rewrite
>and release it?
Please! It would be especially nice to have an EPS datatype. The
distribution includes source, so I would imagine that refinements are
encouraged.
Gregory R Block
: Please! It would be especially nice to have an EPS datatype. The
: distribution includes source, so I would imagine that refinements are
: encouraged.
Not necessarily, though probably true. I would like to do an EPS
datatype, yes; I see a need for it, and I'm sure people are tired of
resorting to specialized applications to do what a DataType would be much
better at. :)
Basically; I'd do a revamp of post.library (though it would remain a
shared library), keeping in mind various things:
1) Use in a DataType; the library would have to fulfill its needs, and
2) Possible use in a font engine, which means the library would have to
fulfill its needs as well.
I'd just like to get in touch with the author, first, and get his
thoughts on the library, as well as any known bugs (which would HAVE to
be ironed out).
And then, of course, we'll have to alter it to work with PostScript or
Acrobat. ;)
Ken Goldenberg
for) are import/export modules for FrameMaker.
I realize that Frame supports some things (eg tables) that PS 3 isn't
slated to support, but if I could take home a document from work, play with
it on my Amiga, and bring it back into Frame, I'd be a happy camper.
Ditto for the other two Amiga owners I know at work.
-Ken
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Tim Ciceran
writes:
>Basically; I'd do a revamp of post.library (though it would remain a
>shared library), keeping in mind various things:
>1) Use in a DataType; the library would have to fulfill its needs, and
>2) Possible use in a font engine, which means the library would have to
>fulfill its needs as well.
This would seem to be the best strategy.
>I'd just like to get in touch with the author, first, and get his
>thoughts on the library, as well as any known bugs (which would HAVE to
>be ironed out).
It may be productive to contact either Robert Poole (who has released the
most recent revision) or Ralph Schmidt (sp?), who is responsible for
PostView. My understanding is that the latter program was being considered
as a candidate for translation into a datatype.
>And then, of course, we'll have to alter it to work with PostScript or
>Acrobat. ;)
But of course. Heck, why not just write a full-blown interpreter :).
Bill Kindel
> I realize that Frame supports some things (eg tables) that PS 3 isn't
> slated to support, but if I could take home a document from work, play with
> it on my Amiga, and bring it back into Frame, I'd be a happy camper.
> Ditto for the other two Amiga owners I know at work.
Me three! Is there some chance that Soft-Logic would consider publishing
the import/export module interface (and maybe even provide sources for a
simple module the way Commodore has done for printer drivers)? That way,
some enterprising soul could crank out additional import/export modules
for the rest of us to use. (Maybe (s)he would even take requests! 8^)
Jim Ventola
>Kevin (soft-...@cup.portal.com)
I think adding RTF to your list would make MAJOR COMMON SENSE. Why?
Because then you could advertise that PStream allows documents to be sent
back and forth to the Mac and WORKED ON at either site! Of course, some
limitations would apply I imagine. Still, if documents could be
interchanged between WORD and PageStream you would have a major coup of
your competition. Many of us have access to Macs or Windows machines
running Word at work or school. It would be great to be able to edit a
document at work even if there were no Amigas there and still take the
thing home and work on it there, etc.
All you would need to do is allow everything that WORD can do. Nothing
more. Go fer it....
---Jim Ventola (jven...@ecn.mass.edu)
Jim Ventola
>In article <1qjspl...@uwm.edu> gbl...@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Blo
k)
>writes:
>>Could someone tell me the status of post.library? Is it GPL?
>>source-released freeware, what? May I, if I wished, do a major rewrite
>>and release it?
>Please! It would be especially nice to have an EPS datatype. The
>distribution includes source, so I would imagine that refinements are
>encouraged.
I think you can do what you like with POST.Library. I have already seen a
program not by Adrian Aylward. I do believe he has asked to be kept
posted (pardon the pun) about any changes you might make. He is available
on bix and compuserve, though I can't recall seeing any recent postings
from him.
---Jim Ventola (jven...@ecn.mass.edu)
Gregory R Block
: It may be productive to contact either Robert Poole (who has released the
: most recent revision) or Ralph Schmidt (sp?), who is responsible for
: PostView. My understanding is that the latter program was being considered
: as a candidate for translation into a datatype.
1) My understanding was that PostView uses post.library as the engine
behind what it does, so I'd still have to contact RP, and
2) I don't know the "status" of PostView. Source-released, freeware,
what?
: But of course. Heck, why not just write a full-blown interpreter :).
Oh, sure. I've got time. After all, I'm only a student. :)
Paula Lieberman
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> Until it support making tables with word-wrapped multiple lines of text
in
> boxes in the table,and automatic vertical resizing of boxes in the table
to
> fit the entry contents, and ability to move rows/columns of entries
around,
> add/delete rows of entries, etc., it rates a D- for utilty for me. I
NEED
> THAT FEATURE, which Ventura Publisher has had since before Ventura
> Publisher was named Ventura Publisher, back when it was DTP software that
> came with a proprietary Xerox microcomputer than ran off an 80x86-family
> chip, before PC-DOS from IBM became the de facto MS-DOS standard...
KK> Lighten up, Paula! SoftLogic deserves a lot of credit for what
KK> they DID put
KK> into PageStream V3. I have no doubt that you and some number of
KK> other
KK> folks have firm requirements for the table features you describe,
You don't seem to understand that $59.95 Windows desktop publishing
programs offer the table feature, and that my INCOME depends on writing
reports that INCLUDE TABLES/COMPARISON CHARTS!!!!!!!!!!
Lighten up, my ass. I've got PageStream disks going back to version 1.5 or
1.6, and after -years-, the damned software STILL doesn't have automatic
table/chart generation -- which Ventura Publisher back when it was running
on a Xerox proprietary 8088 MS-DOS machine as proprietary software. Is it
too much to ask for a feature that was on an 8088 machine running at 4.77
MHz on an early version of MS-DOS to be available on a several hundred
dollar, many color, multitasking version 3.0 release of a program that's
gone through version 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.22, and now is coming
out at version 3? I do NOT need ANY of the stuff in PageStream 3.0 over
2.2 I have had an absolute requirement for tables/charts since BEFORE I
originally bought the damned software. It's been years, there are all
sorts of features in PageStream 3.0 that I don't give a damn about, the ONE
feature I that I consider an absolute necessity for my PROFESSIONAL use, is
STILL not available. And the HELL with doing it in ARexx, if I wanted to
write software to do tables, I would have done that five years ago!!!!!! I
did NOT buy a damn alleged Desk Top Publishing program to be told "go write
the software yourself. I've paid a lot of money to Soft=Logik, I except
THEM to put in the damn feature!!! and not tell me that I should go write
any damn software because they're too damn busy trying to compete
unsuccessfully with Quark. I went Seybold Wednesday, and though I have no
idea who's won the desktop publishing war, it's damned obvious that
Commodore LOST the war. The show, which filled the entire exhibit space of
the second floor of Boston's Hynes auditorium and the function rooms with
seminars at $600 or $700 a pop, was 75% Macintosh, 20 % Windows, and 5 %
Unix workstations. -no- Amigas, none whatsoever. A couple people I talked
to said they had an Amiga in the closet, and their companies were not going
to support the machine, and -they- weren't using them anymore, either.
Kodak was there, Aldus, Microsoft, Adobe, Apple, Scitex, Barco, Canon
printers, Afga Compugraphic (Amiga? what's an Amiga, no sign of anything
but Mac and PC support there...), bunches of laser printer companies,
Howtek with 14 bit per color drum scanners [Amigas? forget it.], the
company with the $59.95 Windows fully featured DTP program, written in
Britain and sold in the US from New Hampshire, which include OLE and tables
and many-color graphics and most of the stuff that Quark, PageMaker,
Ventura Publisher, etc., do....... but no Amigas. No sign of Soft-Lodik,
no sign of Gold Disk. But anybody who was anybody in the Desktop
Publishing market was there -- the company that does FrameMaker, SuperMac,
Radius, RasterOps, Electronic for Imaging [EfI -- the people who have the
controller that turnw a Canon color laser copier into a color laser
proofing printer] -- but no Amigas in sight anyway. Merisel was there with
their catalog, which has a picture of an Amiga 600 in it. No one from
Commodore in the booth, though there WAS someone from Creative Labs, the
company that does VideoBlaster, SoundBlaster, and recently bought E-mu and
has dropped the list price on E-mu cards for IBM PCs down below $500 [the
Amiga board that has an E-mu card stuck on it -- no exaggeration there, by
the way -- it's Blue Ribbon's One Stop Music Shop, and it's an E-mu card
mounted on Zorro card....] in the booth. The only company I talked to that
has an involvement in Amiga software was Houghton Mifflin, which does
software thesauri, dictionaries, etc., that are incorporated in other
companies products. They're based in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and the
Amiga product using their software is in a GERMAN product, for German
speakers/writers....
KK> but
KK> PLEASE don't invalidate the fact that V3 is going to make an awful
KK> lot of
KK> people happy. No single release is going to satisfy ALL the needs
Doesn't make ME happy. The ONE thing I consider CRITICAl is NOT theres
KK> of ALL
KK> the potential users; the best a software engineer can hope for is
KK> to meet
KK> the most important needs of the audience to which (s)he is
THE DAMN TABLE CAPABILITY IS -THE- MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME TO GET IN!!!
KK> addressing the
KK> product.
KK> If the ARexx support is rich enough (including allowing scripts to
KK> learn
KK> the attributes of objects on the page), it may well be possible for
I DID NOT SPEND ALL THAT MONEY TO BE TOLD TO GO WRITE @^@$#^@%##@@
SOFTWARE. I BOUGHT SOFTWARE SO THAT THE DAMN SOFTWARE WOULD BE SOMETHING I
WOULD NOT HAVE TO WRITE ^$##%^%#@@#^*@@@!!!!!!
KK> you
KK> to customize tables to your heart's content. (Then you could go
I AM NOT LOOKING TO 'CUSTOMIZE", I AM LOOKING FOR A DAMNED PIECE OF
FUNCTIONALITY THAT IS NOT THERE, BUT IS PRESENT IN A PIECE OF WINDOWS DTP
SOFTWARE THAT COSTS LESS THAN I'VE SPENT ON PAGESTREAM UPGRADES, SO WHY
SHOULDN'T I BE PISSED OFF??
KK> into
KK> business selling PageStream enhancement scripts. 8^) I'm looking
KK> forward
KK> to trying my hand at customized PageStream functions.
I am NOT interested in writing ARexx scripts to remedy a deficiency in the
applications software. If I wanted to write a table generator, I would
have done it five years ago. I didn't and I do NOT appreciate being told
to go write software -- that's what I paid Soft-Logik for. If a $59.95
Windows desktop publishing program has the feature, then why is this much
more expensive piece of software which claims to be competing in the high
end MINUS the feature? May YOU like programming, I don't, and I don't want
to be told to go program!!!!
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You're a software engineer? I'm NOT, nor do I particularly LIKE writing
software. I've done it -- but I expect commercial software to be
commercial software, and include features that programs that cost less
have....
-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
Marco Mileto
I'm aware but to make a point:
"my INCOME depends on writing reports that INCLUDE TABLES/COMPARISON
CHARTS!!!!!!!!!!"
"I have had an absolute requirement for tables/charts since BEFORE I
originally bought the damned software."
"the ONE feature I that I consider an absolute necessity for my PROFESSIONAL
use, is STILL not available"
"Doesn't make ME happy. The ONE thing I consider CRITICAl is NOT theres"
"THE DAMN TABLE CAPABILITY IS -THE- MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME TO GET IN!!!"
But Paula, If we're to take you seriously the first thing that comes to mind
from some of these comments you've made is why did you buy it in the first
place if it didn't do what you felt was "critical"? Judging by your next
statement I would say you were "expect"ing the feature to be implemented
into PageStream:
"I've paid a lot of money to Soft=Logik, I except THEM to put in the damn
feature!!!"
I agree that that's a lot of money but isn't that too much money to pay for
an _expected_ feature? I assume you must have contacted the manufacturer,
Soft-Logik and asked them about it. What did they say?
"I DID NOT SPEND ALL THAT MONEY TO BE TOLD TO GO WRITE @^@$#^@%##@@
SOFTWARE. I BOUGHT SOFTWARE SO THAT THE DAMN SOFTWARE WOULD BE SOMETHING I
WOULD NOT HAVE TO WRITE ^$##%^%#@@#^*@@@!!!!!!"
I too would prefer having the features I want built in rather than have
to program them in AREXX.
"I AM LOOKING FOR A DAMNED PIECE OF FUNCTIONALITY THAT IS NOT THERE, BUT IS
PRESENT IN A PIECE OF WINDOWS DTP SOFTWARE THAT COSTS LESS THAN I'VE SPENT
ON PAGESTREAM UPGRADES, SO WHY SHOULDN'T I BE PISSED OFF??"
Am I right in guessing that the Amiga falls just a hair short of being the
preferred computer for you by lacking this feature and you'd hate to have
to use an IBM or something else "lesser" all around because of it?
Since you haven't mentioned what you've _tried_to_do_ to get this feature
implemented on your Amiga I'd suggest you -
1) Write Soft-Logik (using the traditional pen and paper method),
2) Contact Kevin Davidson via E-mail,
3) Consider the good possibility that there will be LOTS of AREXX scripts
written by users for PGS3 once it's released,
4) ask some of these people on this network for help; I've found them to
be _incredibly_ knowledgeable and helpful if you give them the
opportunity!
and with a little patience, it'll go your way!
- Marco
Alexandre Rousseau
> I DID NOT SPEND ALL THAT MONEY TO BE TOLD TO GO WRITE @^@$#^@%##@@
> SOFTWARE. I BOUGHT SOFTWARE SO THAT THE DAMN SOFTWARE WOULD BE SOMETHING I
> WOULD NOT HAVE TO WRITE ^$##%^%#@@#^*@@@!!!!!!
>
> FUNCTIONALITY THAT IS NOT THERE, BUT IS PRESENT IN A PIECE OF WINDOWS DTP
> SOFTWARE THAT COSTS LESS THAN I'VE SPENT ON PAGESTREAM UPGRADES, SO WHY
> SHOULDN'T I BE PISSED OFF??
> I am NOT interested in writing ARexx scripts to remedy a deficiency in the
> applications software. If I wanted to write a table generator, I would
> have done it five years ago. I didn't and I do NOT appreciate being told
> to go write software -- that's what I paid Soft-Logik for. If a $59.95
> Windows desktop publishing program has the feature, then why is this much
> more expensive piece of software which claims to be competing in the high
> end MINUS the feature? May YOU like programming, I don't, and I don't want
> to be told to go program!!!!
> You're a software engineer? I'm NOT, nor do I particularly LIKE writing
> software. I've done it -- but I expect commercial software to be
> commercial software, and include features that programs that cost less
> have....
>
> -- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>
The only thing that your vociferous bitching will bring you are posts
like this one :-). Besides, I had to spend half a bottle of Windex
cleaning away your "spitoons" !
Yes, perhaps Commodore has lost the battle and the war as far as new
users are concerned, but as long as it does the job that I ask from
it, well, no battle fought.
In your case, switching would be easier for everyone than all the
wasted bandwidth from posts such as mine.
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Crysta|
>To quote Paula Lieberman (Paula_L...@amicol.UUCP) though out of context
>I'm aware but to make a point:
>"my INCOME depends on writing reports that INCLUDE TABLES/COMPARISON
> CHARTS!!!!!!!!!!"
>"I have had an absolute requirement for tables/charts since BEFORE I
> originally bought the damned software."
>"I AM LOOKING FOR A DAMNED PIECE OF FUNCTIONALITY THAT IS NOT THERE, BUT IS
>PRESENT IN A PIECE OF WINDOWS DTP SOFTWARE THAT COSTS LESS THAN I'VE SPENT
>ON PAGESTREAM UPGRADES, SO WHY SHOULDN'T I BE PISSED OFF??"
I, too, have to ask: Why did you spend a lot of money on a program that did
NOT meet your REQUIRED needs when a cheaper program exists that DOES?
Simple solution: Buy the program that has the feature you require and sell
off your PageStream copy to someone who can appreciate it.
Complaining about something that doesn't exist in one program when you could
easily have chosen another program where it DID exist is a rather weak way of
avoiding admitting your own error in improperly evaluating software for your
needs.
I think anyone will tell you that buying software "on a hunch of future
features" is like playing the lottery. You have no way of knowing if the
developer(s) of the program are going to produce the upgrade or not, or if
they will go out of business the week after you bought the program. (Regardless
of what they may say on the phone, such things happen).
Purchase your programs for the REALITY of the features they contain, not for
the FANTASY you envision them having in the future. Only TODAY exists. You
can't possibly know anything about tomorrow until it ACTUALLY arrives.
Crystal
;>
Kevin W Davidson
a Lieberman) writes:
> I DID NOT SPEND ALL THAT MONEY TO BE TOLD TO GO WRITE @^@$#^@%##@@
> SOFTWARE. I BOUGHT SOFTWARE SO THAT THE DAMN SOFTWARE WOULD BE SOMETHING I
> WOULD NOT HAVE TO WRITE ^$##%^%#@@#^*@@@!!!!!!
>
> I AM NOT LOOKING TO 'CUSTOMIZE", I AM LOOKING FOR A DAMNED PIECE OF
> FUNCTIONALITY THAT IS NOT THERE, BUT IS PRESENT IN A PIECE OF WINDOWS DTP
> SOFTWARE THAT COSTS LESS THAN I'VE SPENT ON PAGESTREAM UPGRADES, SO WHY
> SHOULDN'T I BE PISSED OFF??
> I am NOT interested in writing ARexx scripts to remedy a deficiency in the
> applications software. If I wanted to write a table generator, I would
> have done it five years ago. I didn't and I do NOT appreciate being told
> to go write software -- that's what I paid Soft-Logik for. If a $59.95
> Windows desktop publishing program has the feature, then why is this much
> more expensive piece of software which claims to be competing in the high
> end MINUS the feature? May YOU like programming, I don't, and I don't want
> to be told to go program!!!!
> You're a software engineer? I'm NOT, nor do I particularly LIKE writing
> software. I've done it -- but I expect commercial software to be
> commercial software, and include features that programs that cost less
> have....
>
> -- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>
I didn't mean to be aggravating. If someone wants tables and we don't have
tables, I suggest the alternatives I have to offer. I didn't mean suggest
an "let them eat cake" attitude.
For someone else reading the above complaint, I wish to point out that
even though the writer uses the phrase "SPENT ON PAGESTREAM UPGRADES",
there has only been a single chargeable upgrade in the 10 or so versions
of PageStream that have been released. [There was a charge for a new
manual one time].
I also want to point out that Soft-Logik never promised or hinted at a
table feature as part of any future upgrade and no one could have
purchased a PageStream upgrade with the reasonable expectation of getting
a table feature. SL has been forthcoming about the features in
upcoming versions.
I personally don't know what the $59 Windows DTP program with tables is.
I have Publish It! for windows (around $130) and it has no tables. Ami Pro
(Retail $450) has tables as does Quark XPress (Retail $944.95), WordPerfect
5.2 for Windows (Retail $495) and FrameMaker (Retail $795).
I think it is remarkable that Amiga software is as reasonably priced as
it is given the fact that the same development effort has to be covered
by only a fraction of the unit sales of a Windows package.
Kevin Davidson, Asst. Moderator AmigaZone Vendor Support - PORTAL
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SOFT-LOGIK BBS (PCP MOSLO) (314) 894-0057
Mark Andrew Hawling
>I DID NOT SPEND ALL THAT MONEY TO BE TOLD TO GO WRITE @^@$#^@%##@@
>SOFTWARE. I BOUGHT SOFTWARE SO THAT THE DAMN SOFTWARE WOULD BE SOMETHING I
>WOULD NOT HAVE TO WRITE ^$##%^%#@@#^*@@@!!!!!!
You must feal like a real idiot buying all that software and their
upgrades when you new they didn't have the feature you wanted. Or did
you buy it whithout checking if it has the feature. I guess you ended
buying a lot of games because you thought they were applications.
>
> KK> you
> KK> to customize tables to your heart's content. (Then you could go
>I AM NOT LOOKING TO 'CUSTOMIZE", I AM LOOKING FOR A DAMNED PIECE OF
>FUNCTIONALITY THAT IS NOT THERE, BUT IS PRESENT IN A PIECE OF WINDOWS DTP
>SOFTWARE THAT COSTS LESS THAN I'VE SPENT ON PAGESTREAM UPGRADES, SO WHY
>SHOULDN'T I BE PISSED OFF??
> KK> into
> KK> business selling PageStream enhancement scripts. 8^) I'm looking
> KK> forward
> KK> to trying my hand at customized PageStream functions.
>I am NOT interested in writing ARexx scripts to remedy a deficiency in the
>applications software. If I wanted to write a table generator, I would
>have done it five years ago. I didn't and I do NOT appreciate being told
>to go write software -- that's what I paid Soft-Logik for. If a $59.95
>Windows desktop publishing program has the feature, then why is this much
>more expensive piece of software which claims to be competing in the high
>end MINUS the feature? May YOU like programming, I don't, and I don't want
>to be told to go program!!!!
> KK>
Why the hell didn't you buy that program then and there. Why did you go for a more expensive machine, that didn't have the feature you wanted
rather than buy an 4.77 Mhz XT that did the job fine ? You must again feal like
a real idiot.
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>You're a software engineer? I'm NOT, nor do I particularly LIKE writing
>software. I've done it -- but I expect commercial software to be
>commercial software, and include features that programs that cost less
>have....
Some software don't have the features, Others DO. Get the stuff that
does.
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George
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: As Ken says,
: > I realize that Frame supports some things (eg tables) that PS 3 isn't
: > slated to support, but if I could take home a document from work, play with
: > it on my Amiga, and bring it back into Frame, I'd be a happy camper.
: > Ditto for the other two Amiga owners I know at work.
: Me three! Is there some chance that Soft-Logic would consider publishing
: the import/export module interface (and maybe even provide sources for a
: simple module the way Commodore has done for printer drivers)? That way,
: some enterprising soul could crank out additional import/export modules
: for the rest of us to use. (Maybe (s)he would even take requests! 8^)
:
Well how about S-L supporting datatypes and someone writes a Frame datatype.
All we need now is CBM to revamp the ASL requesters for loading and saving
files such that when saving a file you can choose what datatypt to be used.
When loading possibly datatypes which are AWARE could inspect the list of
files in a dir and see which are of that datatype selected so one could see
what files are of a certain datatype! What do you think? Am I clear? :-)
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Paula Lieberman
wrote:
C> From: cry...@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crysta|)
C> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
C> Subject: Re: PageStream 3
C> Date: 17 Apr 93 16:14:13 GMT
C> Organization: University of Washington
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C> Message-ID: <crystal.735063253@glia>
C> References: <Paula_Lieb...@amicol.UUCP>
C> <1qntuu$5...@hpchase.rose.hp.com>
C> NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu
C> In <1qntuu$5...@hpchase.rose.hp.com> ma...@hpsmeng1.rose.hp.com (Marco
C> Mileto) writes:
> C> I, too, have to ask: Why did you spend a lot of money on a program
C> that did
C> NOT meet your REQUIRED needs when a cheaper program exists that DOES?
C> Simple solution: Buy the program that has the feature you require and
C> sell
C> off your PageStream copy to someone who can appreciate it.
I bought PageStream a LONG time ago originally, long before sounds and
animation and the Windows 3.1 control software and software like the $59.95
DTP program for Windows that include the table generation was available.
It was even back before color support was much of anything in any DTP
program -- the software for ALL machines has come a long way in the
intervening years. And at the time I originally got PageStream, I did NOT
have to depend upon my own computer as a work machine. The lack of table
generation at that point of time was a lot more tolerable, because the
feature was NOT generally available. The situation has changed in a lot of
ways since the time of PageStream 1.5/1.6.... Given the state of the
program at the time, everyone was wondering if there would ever be a
version that didn't crash regularly!
C> Complaining about something that doesn't exist in one program when you
C> could
C> easily have chosen another program where it DID exist is a rather weak
C> way of
Uh-uh. I was using an Amiga, and the competition was ProPage, which I
had/have, and something else that I didn't/don't have. As for using a Mac
or IBM PC compatible -- I used both at work, and preferred Amigas to
either. Back then the Amiga had a lead in a lot of areas , like color and
sound and aninatiom capabilities and support in the operating system. The
state of ALL 0personal computer software was far, far behind what it is
today.
C> avoiding admitting your own error in improperly evaluating software
C> for your
C> needs.
wrong, I've have PageStream a LONG time!
Aric....@ofa123.fidonet.org
> From: Paula_L...@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
> Message-ID: <Paula_Lieb...@amicol.uucp>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
<deleted tirade about Pagestream not having table generation>
Why on earth did you buy Pagestream and Amiga, and futhermore purchased
many upgrades, if it didn't do what you needed? I am so sick and tired of
people bitching and whining about what they *expect* from other people --
when those people never promised them these things. You should NOT buy
something on the *hope* that it will provide what you need sometime in the
future. If it doesn't work for you *now*, then get something that works!
I would have thought such a simple concept would come easily.
If that $59 DTP package is so wonderfull and does table generation like you
so desparately want, THEN WHY NOT BUY IT?? Get an IBM clone or Mac or
whatever. Get the tool that you need.
Yes, it would be great if Pagestream had this feature. But apparently it
is not something that's high on their list of priorities. They put a lot
of other stuff in there that people do want -- maybe YOU dont need them but
others do.
And finaly, maybe if you asked real nice, somebody on the net here would be
willing to write an ARexx program to do table generation on Pagestream.
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Christoph
[...]
> When loading possibly datatypes which are AWARE could inspect the list of
> files in a dir and see which are of that datatype selected so one could see
> what files are of a certain datatype! What do you think? Am I clear? :-)
The datatype does not need to inspect the list of files. The asl requester
has a callback hook which can be called to filter out specific files. It
is up to the hook to call datatypes.library to check for specific types.
This has been done in some preferences file requesters in 3.0 (load sound...)
Oops, this seems to be csa.programmer stuff :)
Christoph 'Pepo' Feck, TowerSystems.
Wolf Faust
>
>>RE: Pagestream and font(s0 downloading.
>
>I have encountered the same problem. Most people that bring color jobs
>to me have not tested the output to a postscript device (or file).
>Customers can't understand why it worked on there dot matrix but refuses
>to print postscript.
>
>I've found ProPage to be much more stable for Postscript work.
I totaly agree! PageStream in it's current state is really worse
when it comes to color PS printing/handling. Also, the output quality
sometimes is really worse compared to PPage.
Beside: why is there no real PostScript level 2 driver in both
packages? This would improve output speed/quality dramaticly!
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Richard Blewitt
>In article <Glens...@nesbbx.rain.COM> Gl...@nesbbx.rain.COM (**) writes:
>>
>>I have encountered the same problem. Most people that bring color jobs
>>to me have not tested the output to a postscript device (or file).
>>Customers can't understand why it worked on there dot matrix but refuses
>>to print postscript.
>>
>>I've found ProPage to be much more stable for Postscript work.
>
>I totaly agree! PageStream in it's current state is really worse
>when it comes to color PS printing/handling. Also, the output quality
>sometimes is really worse compared to PPage.
In it's current state, ProPage is unsuitable for anything. I wonder
if Gold Disk ever considered beta testing PP4.0.
I wonder why nobody is mentioning the third desktop publisher on the
Amiga, Saxon Publisher (currently at 1.2). It's fairly quick at
screen redraws, and doesn't have the font screwyness of PageStream.
It has rather extensive postscript support, with lots of stuff for
color postscript that are well over my head. Not to mention that it
comes with the standard set of 35 PS fonts, which is rather usefull.
It has its weaknesses, but it also has some really neat features,
like not being limited to rectangular boxes.
Saxon Publisher also comes with Saxon Script Professional, an
amazingly usefull program which all Amiga DTP users should have.
SSP mounts as a device, and can do just about anything with a
postscript file - print, screen display, convert to iff, dr2d, eps,
or aeps. This would save the problem of not testing the output to
a postscript printer, because the file is sent to the PSC: device as
postscript, and any problems should be detected there. The only
problem that can occur is that when going from PSC: to a real, but
low resolution (300dpi) postscript printer when using greyscales,
and a high screen size. Saxon Script will use a mix of dithering
and halftone output for low res printers, whereas postscript only
uses halftones. The net affect is that greys can look better on a
300 dpi deskjet than on a 300 dpi postscript laserjet. For high-res
PS printers, this is not a problem.
>Beside: why is there no real PostScript level 2 driver in both
>packages? This would improve output speed/quality dramaticly!
What is a level 2 driver?
Rick
(BTW, I have no affilation with Emerald Graphics, the makers of
Saxon Publisher, other than as a registered user.)
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Raoul Rodriguez
>I wonder why nobody is mentioning the third desktop publisher on the
>Amiga, Saxon Publisher (currently at 1.2). It's fairly quick at
>screen redraws, and doesn't have the font screwyness of PageStream.
PageStream... font screwy-ness? Nope, I'm sorry, I think you
mean ProPage... pro Page is notorious for it's "screwy" font
handling... (read the April issue of AmigaWorld)
PageStream will plow through any PostScript font (type 1
and Type 3 (the only real PostScript font types))
>Rick
>(BTW, I have no affilation with Emerald Graphics, the makers of
>Saxon Publisher, other than as a registered user.)
Raoul
Russell A Howard
I've read on this group that there have been 2 patches released for AmiBack
Tools. I was wondering if these patches have been uploaded to a FTP site. I
would like to save the phone charges if I could. Thanks...
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David Griffiths
>I've read on this group that there have been 2 patches released for AmiBack
>Tools. I was wondering if these patches have been uploaded to a FTP site. I
>would like to save the phone charges if I could. Thanks...
You can find the patch (the 1.02 patch will also patch 1.00 to 1.02 as
well as 1.01), on any AmiNET FTP site...
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Charles D Andreas
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>>Beside: why is there no real PostScript level 2 driver in both
>>packages? This would improve output speed/quality dramaticly!
>
>What is a level 2 driver?
This pertains to Postscript Level 2, presumably a much improved version of
the Postscript level 1 now generally available.
>Rick
>(BTW, I have no affilation with Emerald Graphics, the makers of
>Saxon Publisher, other than as a registered user.)
>
Yikes!! Are you saying Saxon products are still alive and supported by
Emerald Graphics?! After I had my registration card for Saxon Script
Professional v1.0 returned marked "moved, address unknown", I made some
inquiries and the concensus was Saxon Industries went under and the owners
created Emerald Graphics but had nothing more to do with their previous
products nor the Amiga for that matter. Naturally I was not a very happy
camper especially since Saxon Script Professional v1.0 exhibited several
serious bugs and I could not ever look forward to an update.
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Richard Blewitt
>[interesting stuff about Saxon Publisher and Saxon Script Professional
>omitted]
>Yikes!! Are you saying Saxon products are still alive and supported by
>Emerald Graphics?! After I had my registration card for Saxon Script
Yes, they exist and are supporting the Saxon products. From what I
have heard, Emerald Graphics bought out Saxon so they could use
Saxon's color seperation technologies in a windows product. They
are still working on, and upgrading Saxon Publisher. The next
version is due out either in the fall, or by the end of the year, I
don't remember what they said.
>Professional v1.0 returned marked "moved, address unknown", I made some
>inquiries and the concensus was Saxon Industries went under and the owners
You must have hit them at the change-over time. Try calling them
at (613) 745-6049. The phone support seems quite good.
>camper especially since Saxon Script Professional v1.0 exhibited several
>serious bugs and I could not ever look forward to an update.
I didn't ask them about their plans for Saxon Script, because I
haven't run into any problems. What are the serious bugs? I have
noticed that I tend to get an extra blank sheet after printing, but
with a desk jet (which I suspect is the problem due to the margins)
it is not a big deal.
Rick
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|> Feasibility notwithstanding, what I'd kill for (or at least shell out money
|> for) are import/export modules for FrameMaker.
Well, you can save FrameMaker documents as PostScript files. At least Frame 3.1 on
UNIX systems have that capability.
|>
|> I realize that Frame supports some things (eg tables) that PS 3 isn't
|> slated to support, but if I could take home a document from work, play with
|> it on my Amiga, and bring it back into Frame, I'd be a happy camper.
One thing to consider, Pagestream and Framemaker do not really address the
same market. Pagestream implements the DTP model and Frame provides a fairly
nice and advanced workprocessing program. As such, Frame cannot import, for instance,
photographs or scanned images. The structured drawing tools Frame includes work OK but
they are primitive and non-intuitive for most people. Don't get me wrong, I really love
Frame for writing design documents and papers but I cannot make it do the things I do
with the combination of Pagestream, Art Expression and the HotLinks programs. See if you
can do a print on a file within Frame and instead of actually printing to a printer, send the
output to a file (default to your source filename with .ps appended). Then get that on your
Amiga and attempt to load it into Pagestream. Just an experiment but perhaps worth a
try.
Chad Glover
give me a quick listy of what is expected to be included in PageStream 3??