AmigaOS vs. Windows 95
Tim M. VanOver
Bottom line is my Amiga 1200 multitasks better then my 486dx33
running under windows 95.
No arguement there at all! Since you can bog the system down (486)
by just opening folders. Has it ran out of ram? No! It's lost all
of it's resources! And you pretty much have to hard reset your
computer to get them all back.
In essence you can slow win95 down by just having programs open
they don't even have to be doing anything!
Contrary to my A1200 where I have 15 apps running and it seems
like it isn't even multitasking but I know there actually
doing things!
Windows 95 users: Have fun with your toys!
hey! at least it comes with solitare thats worthh the 198 for
the full version!
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System 7 a bloody nose.
Flames openly accepted. ;->
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Terry Palfrey
Meyer) writes:
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> Posted: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 02:14:20 GMT
>
> Org. : Private uucp site lost in the voids of the black hole Germany is
> in the Internet
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> beve...@aol.com (B E Verins) writes:
>
> >And my A2000 040 33mhz BLOWS AWAY win 3.1, NO CONTEST. It also gives
> >System 7 a bloody nose.
>
> >Flames openly accepted. ;->
>
> Smith is so much better than your 220V AC". Sounds a little stupid,
> right?
>
> Bernie
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Actually if you read a little between the lines he is saying that
his A2000 system will beat the pants off machines configured with
those OS's at his hardware level, ie. same ram and drives while
reasonably competing with fully configured machines that are used to
do actual work.
Terry
B E Verins
>And my A2000 040 33mhz BLOWS AWAY win 3.1, NO CONTEST. It also gives
>System 7 a bloody nose.
>Flames openly accepted. ;->
>>You are comparing apples with electricity here. As in saying "My Granny
Smith is so much better than your 220V AC". Sounds a little stupid,
right?<<
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
eh? what? What are you going on about, then? apples with electricity? I'm
comparing OS's here, and win3.1 is abominable compared to AmigaDOS 3.1.
And, who knows? maybe baked Granny Smith tastes better on 220V AC... :-)
Bernd Bernie Meyer
>And my A2000 040 33mhz BLOWS AWAY win 3.1, NO CONTEST. It also gives
>System 7 a bloody nose.
>Flames openly accepted. ;->
You are comparing apples with electricity here. As in saying "My Granny
Smith is so much better than your 220V AC". Sounds a little stupid, right?
Bernie
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David Price
Surely the most important thing about a computer is its
software. I own an A1200 and the amount of software available
is certainly nowhere near that available for Windoze 3.1 /95.
And I can't really say that the quality of amiga software is
any better. i.e. Are photogenics,brilliance,Dpaint 5 better
than Photoshop 3.0? I think not. (I use the graphics packages
analagy because that is what the amiga does best, but this
still applies to all other software, wordprocessors,
spreadsheets etc.)
Workbench is nice but how much time do you want to spend
playing with an OS ?
Mike Noreen
Thusly David Price spake unto All:
DP> than Photoshop 3.0? I think not. (I use the graphics packages
DP> analagy because that is what the amiga does best, but this
DP> still applies to all other software, wordprocessors,
DP> spreadsheets etc.)
Well, I'm not sure this is 100% true, seeing what there is available for
the PC. I'd say the areas in which the Amiga still has an edge is
animation, communication and everything that's shareware.
DP> Workbench is nice but how much time do you want to spend
DP> playing with an OS ?
Ah, but Workbench isn't the OS - it's the graphical user interface to
the OS. Everytime you flip between two screens, every time you call up
a requester, every time you're running more than one program, every time
you click an 'ok' you are using the OS. I don't particularly miss _Workbench_,
although I think MagicWB looked much better than Windows or Warp, I miss
the ability to have several screens of different depth and resolution, I
miss the ability to do several things at the same time without I/O critical
tasks failing, I miss the configurability (neither Win-DOS nor Warp is
very configurable - basically you're stuck with the standard setup), I miss
its small footprint (8MB is a joke on PC, even when running Win-DOS 3.1 and
much moreso with Win95 or Warp), I miss real filenames, and I miss its speed.
The OS totally permeates everything you do on a computer. It's the OS
which determines the overall performance, the behaviour, of the computer,
and that's why it's so important. AmigaOS 3.1 was _INTELLIGENTLY DONE_, and
that's why I miss it.
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Shane Kuntz
|> Why are you arguing over OS's ?
|> Surely the most important thing about a computer is its
|> software. I own an A1200 and the amount of software available
|> is certainly nowhere near that available for Windoze 3.1 /95.
|> And I can't really say that the quality of amiga software is
|> any better. i.e. Are photogenics,brilliance,Dpaint 5 better
|>
Photoshop3.0 costs, I believe $600. For that amount of money, I can buy
imageFX2.1 (which I use and is the rival of PS anyday) for $250 and still
have $350 bucks for anything from a nice graphics tablet to imagine3.X
ImageFX may not be better than photoshop (or any of the above packages that
you mentioned) but I can buy them all for less than $600.
|> Workbench is nice but how much time do you want to spend
|>
Shane
Eric Lanier
: In article <3vt9bj$a...@bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, David Price writes:
[deleted]
: |> any better. i.e. Are photogenics,brilliance,Dpaint 5 better
: |> than Photoshop 3.0? I think not. (I use the graphics packages
: |> analagy because that is what the amiga does best, but this
: |> still applies to all other software, wordprocessors,
: |> spreadsheets etc.)
: |>
: Photoshop3.0 costs, I believe $600. For that amount of money, I can buy
: imageFX2.1 (which I use and is the rival of PS anyday) for $250 and still
: have $350 bucks for anything from a nice graphics tablet to imagine3.X
: ImageFX may not be better than photoshop (or any of the above packages that
: you mentioned) but I can buy them all for less than $600.
Photoshop still cannot do batch files. ImageFX walks all over in this regard,
plus the fact that it uses ARexx kills it!
: |> Workbench is nice but how much time do you want to spend
: |> playing with an OS ?
: |>
: Because it's fun. Now, why would you pay so much for one software package?
:
: Shane
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john leonard
cost effective than that available for the PC! You simply cannot compete with the software base
for the PC! And you should wake up and realize the fact. The number of suppliers of software
for the Amiga is a fraction of that for the PC. The fact is that with the Amiga you basically
are held captive by a small number of suppliers who control the market. Don't compare software
packages if you haven't extensive experience with both. The Amiga is dead. Sooner or later its
adherants will have to realize that fact.
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Philip Vedovatti
john leonard <jl...@tribeca.ios.com> wrote:
[Inane dribble deleted]
>The Amiga is dead. Sooner or later its
>adherants will have to realize that fact.
Wow 15 posts with exactly the same text. That's some great PC you got there.
Phil
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jmz
reality a 1992 machine.Should the Amiga survive in anything resembling
its present form,it will have to make up three years of
nondevelopment,fast..
Perhaps it should be called the Muhammad Ali of computers if it does.
As for the DOSe software base,there are a couple of dozen thousand PC
programs out there.Probably a couple of dozen are both any good and of
widespread interest.
William Near
<> Please, Mr. kuntz, don't annoy us with your claims that Amiga software is superior, or more
<> cost effective than that available for the PC! You simply cannot compete with the software base
<> for the PC! And you should wake up and realize the fact. The number of suppliers of software
<> for the Amiga is a fraction of that for the PC. The fact is that with the Amiga you basically
<> are held captive by a small number of suppliers who control the market. Don't compare software
<>
At least the Amiga software doesn't post the same message 3+
times!
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<> Please, Mr. kuntz, don't annoy us with your claims that Amiga software is superior, or more
<> cost effective than that available for the PC! You simply cannot compete with the software base
<> for the PC! And you should wake up and realize the fact. The number of suppliers of software
<> for the Amiga is a fraction of that for the PC. The fact is that with the Amiga you basically
<> are held captive by a small number of suppliers who control the market. Don't compare software
<> packages if you haven't extensive experience with both. The Amiga is dead. Sooner or later its
<> adherants will have to realize that fact.
<>
Seven and counting!
William Near
<> In article <40k47n$s...@news.ios.com>,
<> john leonard <jl...@tribeca.ios.com> wrote:
<>
<> [Inane dribble deleted]
<>
<> >adherants will have to realize that fact.
<>
I thought it was more like 20! :-) My shitty Amiga software
should be so refined. I am jelous.
Samuel S. Johnson
: In article <40k47n$s...@news.ios.com>,
: john leonard <jl...@tribeca.ios.com> wrote:
:
: [Inane dribble deleted]
:
: >The Amiga is dead. Sooner or later its
: >adherants will have to realize that fact.
He's brain-dead, Jim.
:
: Wow 15 posts with exactly the same text. That's some great PC you got...
:
Not to mention that text wrap apparently hasn't made it to the PC yet.
Sam
Juergen Wahlmann
>From: john leonard <jl...@tribeca.ios.com>
>Subject: Re: AmigaOS vs. Windows 95
>Date: 13 Aug 1995 04:51:58 GMT
>Please, Mr. kuntz, don't annoy us with your claims that Amiga software is
>superior, or more
>cost effective than that available for the PC! You simply cannot compete with
>the software base
>for the PC! And you should wake up and realize the fact. The number of suppliers
>of software
>for the Amiga is a fraction of that for the PC. The fact is that with the Amiga
>you basically
>are held captive by a small number of suppliers who control the market. Don't
>compare software
>packages if you haven't extensive experience with both. The Amiga is dead.
>Sooner or later its
>adherants will have to realize that fact.
Dear Mr. Leonard,
the fact is, that MicroSoft controls the PC-market in a manner that none of
our "suppliers" can do. There exists an alternative 32bit-OS OS/2, but do the
majority buy this one? No, they're all waiting for Windows 95, which is in
some functions still 16bit (graphics) and which still uses the FAT-filesystem.
THAT is controlling!!!!
I have much experience with these software packages
and if there is one thing to say about image processing on PC's then that:
it's boring slow, the tools aren't anyway near intuitive and as Mr. Kuntz
said, batch jobs are not possible. There is a Windows-program named
GraphicsWorkshop which can do this, but it lacks some features (filters etc.).
(I'm comparing commercial software with shareware, I know)
Since most of these programs are Windows-based, they spend a lot time swapping
to disk. If I'm executing a function which will last a few minutes, I'm not
able to do anything else with the computer. How boring.
All you "the amiga is dead"-yellers out there: look what will happen in the
future. If Escom and AT create a new RISC-AMIGA within a year, which is
competetive with the PowerMACS and PowerPC's at this time, we AMGIGANS are
back again. If not, there's an alternative System out I could switch to, I
hope. (SGI-Indy f.e. :-) )
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Mike Noreen
Thusly jmz spake unto All:
j> Mr.Leonard is comparing the PC of today with an Amiga that is in
j> reality a 1992 machine.Should the Amiga survive in anything resembling
j> its present form,it will have to make up three years of
j> nondevelopment,fast..
This is offcourse true, BUT: the main catching-up has to be done in
hardware, and that's not all that difficult, since the Amiga can, will, and
for the most part does use standard PC hardware (diskdrives, PCI bus, PCI
cards, SCSI-II/EIDE drives etc). The peripheral hardware upgrade is pretty
easy, basically amounting to adding RTG, RTS and updated drivers. IMO this
could be added in considerably less than a year, even less if AmiTech
decides to license the CyberGraphics RTG solution (as seems likely).
Changing processor line to PowerPC or whatever is chosen is a much bigger
and more difficult step though, and I still hold that a clean break
coupled with a bundled ECS/AGA virtual Amiga (emulator running in
protected memory) would be preferrable to a Frankenstein type solution a
la Apple. No matter what this will basically be a whole new OS, so why not
take the chance to lose some old baggage, perhaps even change the name to
avoid the Amiga stigma and stress that it IS a new OS?
Operating system wise, the Amiga doesn't really have much catching up to do
at all. These two years have caused it to lose the lead it had, but it's
not been outdated by the competition yet, probably wont be for two-three
years (when the successor to Win95 and Copland starts hitting the
streets). Since it IMO will take one to two years to port/rewrite AmigaOS
for a RISC processor (and AFAIK the work has not begun yet) this is yet
another reason to totally rewrite AmigaOS - a straight port would be
outdated soon after its release.
j> Perhaps it should be called the Muhammad Ali of computers if it does.
Quite fitting if it was. It's not terribly hard-hitting, but technically
advanced. "Fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee!" could well be AmigaOS'
motto.
j> As for the DOSe software base,there are a couple of dozen thousand PC
j> programs out there.Probably a couple of dozen are both any good and of
j> widespread interest.
If you're referring to Win-DOS shareware I totally agree.
MVH: Mike Noreen
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Paul & Victoria Heisner
<40kh68$e...@nntp5.u.washington.edu>, vedo...@u.washington.edu (Philip
Vedovatti) would say...
>In article <40k47n$s...@news.ios.com>,
>john leonard <jl...@tribeca.ios.com> wrote:
>[Inane dribble deleted]
>>The Amiga is dead. Sooner or later its
>>adherants will have to realize that fact.
>Wow 15 posts with exactly the same text. That's some great PC you got there.
I counted 19. What do they say about if you tell a lie enough times,
people will start to believe it.....must be what Mr. Leonard has to
do.....
Vicki
Douglas Rudd
>Please, Mr. kuntz, don't annoy us with your claims that Amiga software is superior, or more
>cost effective than that available for the PC! You simply cannot compete with the software base
>for the PC! And you should wake up and realize the fact. The number of suppliers of software
>for the Amiga is a fraction of that for the PC. The fact is that with the Amiga you basically
>are held captive by a small number of suppliers who control the market. Don't compare software
>packages if you haven't extensive experience with both. The Amiga is dead. Sooner or later its
>adherants will have to realize that fact.
How typical. You pc types think that more is better. To prove your point,
you post the same old message several times. Rather like pc apps of which
you think so highly.
Yes. Mistakes happen. Don't make this one again. Don't annoy us with your
redundancy.
Doug Rudd
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Shane Kuntz
article. In fact, since it's directed at me you should of emailed me and saved
everyone a lot of trouble.
Now on with my reply to your post..
In article <40k47n$s...@news.ios.com>, john leonard <jl...@tribeca.ios.com> writes:
|> Please, Mr. kuntz, don't annoy us with your claims that Amiga software is superior, or more
|> cost effective than that available for the PC! You simply cannot compete with the software base
I would be nice if you included at least parts of the message from myself. But, I think I know
what you are referring to.. I compared the price of Photoshop ($600) to the price of imageFX ($225)
and I stated that even if photoshop has a few things imagefx 2.1 doesn't I can still buy $375 more
software to make up the difference. Also the same for packages like Freehand ($390) and Word ($285) as
compared to Final Writer 3 ($100) or final copy 2 ($55). I believe that the amiga software is of
better value! It is under half the price! Even if I had to buy two packages to equal every one of
another platform I would still be spending less money.
|> for the PC! And you should wake up and realize the fact. The number of suppliers of software
|> for the Amiga is a fraction of that for the PC. The fact is that with the Amiga you basically
I didn't make any claim that said anything like what you've stated above. BUT.. since you have so
many more suppliers and software developers, why is PC/mac software priced so damn high? If you
think it's because of the quality of the software and that you're getting more for your money I
seriously doubt that you've used any serious amiga software.
|> are held captive by a small number of suppliers who control the market. Don't compare software
|> packages if you haven't extensive experience with both. The Amiga is dead. Sooner or later its
|> adherants will have to realize that fact.
Extensive experience with both.. hmm. Let's see I work on mac, pc, sgi, vax, sun, hp, rios, etc..
and I emulate a mac at home occasionally. I HAVE used word, excel, photoshop, persuasion, freehand,
along with some great sgi software. One thing about being held captive.. ever heard of microsoft?
I believe the above is quite a bit of experience.. how many amiga packages have you used, sir?
Ok.. the amiga is dead. Why do I keep recieving two magazines, upgrade notices, new hardware/software
releases in the mail? Also.. why is there so many usenet groups for such a dead computer? and why
after 20 months of being out of production is there still retailers, developers, users, buyers, and
talk about the amiga? If the platform were dead, there would be none of these things.
Please, John, don't annoy me with posts like this with absolutely no fact or even quotes to back
yourself up. Oh, and john, you are in an amiga advocacy group.. so how could I annoy you with
a post that you should of expected from this group? Why don't you email me with some great nicely
priced software for the PC or Mac? Especially video or graphics related.
Shane
Muttley
john leonard <jl...@tribeca.ios.com> wrote:
>Please, Mr. kuntz, don't annoy us with your claims that Amiga software is
superior, or more
>cost effective than that available for the PC! You simply cannot compete with
the software base
suppliers of software
>for the Amiga is a fraction of that for the PC. The fact is that with the
Amiga you basically
compare software
>packages if you haven't extensive experience with both. The Amiga is dead.
Sooner or later its
>adherants will have to realize that fact.
>
Well done. Posting the same message 20 times must be some kind of record.
What's the matter John, can't work your News program properly.
Oh! I forgot, you're using a PeeCee. The software's bound to be completely
bug-ridden, and un-user-friendly.
Muttley
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sincl...@cobra.uni.edu
> First.. don't annoy people with <56k lines with multiple reposts of the above
> article. In fact, since it's directed at me you should of emailed me and saved
> everyone a lot of trouble.
>
> Now on with my reply to your post..
>
> In article <40k47n$s...@news.ios.com>, john leonard <jl...@tribeca.ios.com> writes:
> |> cost effective than that available for the PC! You simply cannot compete with the software base
>
> what you are referring to.. I compared the price of Photoshop ($600) to the price of imageFX ($225)
> and I stated that even if photoshop has a few things imagefx 2.1 doesn't I can still buy $375 more
> software to make up the difference. Also the same for packages like Freehand ($390) and Word ($285) as
> compared to Final Writer 3 ($100) or final copy 2 ($55). I believe that the amiga software is of
> better value! It is under half the price! Even if I had to buy two packages to equal every one of
> another platform I would still be spending less money.
Lets see...Mac Performa 636 8/250/cd, keyboard and software bundle costs $999.
An Amiga 4000T costs $2799-2999...So why does the Amiga cost about three times
as much? Can't have $2000 worth of more features than the Mac one to justify a
$2000 premium.
The software bundle includes ClarisWorks which by itself puts Final Writer to
shame. If you want more choices, try WriteNow which costs $49 and WordPerfect
which costs $99. And if you really need Word, try your college bookstore and
you will beable to pick it up for $80 and while your at it, photoshop will set
you back $199.
>
> |> for the PC! And you should wake up and realize the fact. The number of suppliers of software
> |> for the Amiga is a fraction of that for the PC. The fact is that with the Amiga you basically
>
> I didn't make any claim that said anything like what you've stated above. BUT.. since you have so
> many more suppliers and software developers, why is PC/mac software priced so damn high? If you
> think it's because of the quality of the software and that you're getting more for your money I
> seriously doubt that you've used any serious amiga software.
>
I have..The only serious package on the Amiga is LightWave...As for Mac/PC
software for being expensive is a myth.. Why is LightWave expensive?
> |> are held captive by a small number of suppliers who control the market. Don't compare software
> |> packages if you haven't extensive experience with both. The Amiga is dead. Sooner or later its
> |> adherants will have to realize that fact.
>
> Extensive experience with both.. hmm. Let's see I work on mac, pc, sgi, vax, sun, hp, rios, etc..
> and I emulate a mac at home occasionally. I HAVE used word, excel, photoshop, persuasion, freehand,
> along with some great sgi software. One thing about being held captive.. ever heard of microsoft?
> I believe the above is quite a bit of experience.. how many amiga packages have you used, sir?
> Ok.. the amiga is dead. Why do I keep recieving two magazines, upgrade notices, new hardware/software
> releases in the mail? Also.. why is there so many usenet groups for such a dead computer? and why
> after 20 months of being out of production is there still retailers, developers, users, buyers, and
> talk about the amiga? If the platform were dead, there would be none of these things.
>
> Please, John, don't annoy me with posts like this with absolutely no fact or even quotes to back
> yourself up. Oh, and john, you are in an amiga advocacy group.. so how could I annoy you with
> a post that you should of expected from this group? Why don't you email me with some great nicely
> priced software for the PC or Mac? Especially video or graphics related.
>
LightWave is $999...
> Shane
>
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Terry Palfrey
only serious AMIGA package then you might as well pack it up
right now and vamoose. You don't have a clue. Your vaunted
AMIGA experience with an A1200 doesn't stand up at all, what
was it an unexpanded model bought for games and sold in
ignorance?
Want to sit side by side and log onto the net, pull a few
200K files, edit them to useable 5 to 9 K files and then
paste them into an eight page newsletter? I'll use an old
1990 design and you can use your supercomputer.
Terry
sincl...@cobra.uni.edu
> Hey sinclap if the best you can muster is that Lightwave is the
> only serious AMIGA package then you might as well pack it up
> right now and vamoose. You don't have a clue. Your vaunted
> AMIGA experience with an A1200 doesn't stand up at all, what
> was it an unexpanded model bought for games and sold in
> ignorance?
Going through five A1200's before getting a working one and putting up with the
crapp apps...I threw in the towel and have not looked back...
>
> Want to sit side by side and log onto the net, pull a few
> 200K files, edit them to useable 5 to 9 K files and then
> paste them into an eight page newsletter? I'll use an old
> 1990 design and you can use your supercomputer.
Here we go again. Please not that "I can format a flopy and download a file
while playing an Atari 2600 style game" crap...I have heard it all.. Have you
tried Quicktime VR...Puts the Amiga to the cow dung pit...
>
> Terry
Henrik Wetterström
:Please, Mr. kuntz, don't annoy us with your claims that Amiga software is superior, or more
:cost effective than that available for the PC! You simply cannot compete with the software base
:adherants will have to realize that fact.
Seems like the PC lacks a proper News client program though (watching your 20 copies of the
same article posted).
Anyway, in most areas do PC have a wider software support, BUT still Amiga is quite strong
at video production at low costs. The Amiga has always been synchronizing to PAL/NTSC
videomodes and it is therefor natural for the Amiga to handle PAL/NTSC video modes. PC clones
needs complicated (and expensive) hardware and software to do that. This is market that been
yelling for new Amigas to buy every day since Commodore left the business.
The toaster that's relesed recently for PC boxes is a flaw, compared to the Amiga version
of the same hardware, so still the Amiga got an advantage.
However, at the rest of the areas do the Amiga suffer from competing against PC-clone market,
but I believe the gameconsole developers (such as: Nintendo, Sega, Atari) will give the
PC-game market a hard fight with their new generation of consoles (Ultra-64, Jaguar2, etc.)
and this will steal a large share of the PC-gamers. The reason is that the PC isn't really
a dream machine to program games for, rather the opposite. Poor videosynchronization support,
difficulties with checking various grapics standards and audio standards. Strange joystick
standard which only rarely use digital joysticks. Since most games contain large chunks of
assembly code comes the fact that the 80x86 isn't really a dream CPU to code on
(few registers, strange addressing capabilities, ... ). Compare this to a hardwired machine
with fully compatible hardware on all machines and very powerful graphic engines on
all machines. I don't think I need to tell which one every games programmer would prefer.
These machines will have better games, and that's what little boy Joe sees and wants.
Millions of people worldwide do more than fine without going mainstream with PC clones.
Just like some people go on buying and using Mercedes cars, even if there might be better
and cheaper options, because they have always been using Mercedes cars and love that
special feeling of driving just a Mercedes car. Most of them would probably dislike
driving some Ford and care very little about the millions of sold Fords and how many
Ford mechanics there might be. They are not interesting of Fords, because they are not
Mercedes cars. So... Why do so many PC-people fail in understanding that lots of
Amiga people are NOT interesting in PC boxes, just because they are not Amiga
computers?
I can understand people that discuss differences in hardware/software, because that's
things we can discuss and share experiences. By listening to the people that dislike
your product can you find out which things you need to improve. Those people who
enjoys your product will neglect any faults and inconviniences, so these will give
you little useful feedback. As in your case, comparing marketshares and support,
is of less interest for the Amiga, since it need to grow and is very aware of its
weak current status. If I was writing the Amiga FAQ would I put your statement into
the FAQ and after that reply a RTFM to anybody that's brings up the topic again.
/Henrik
Mike Noreen
Thusly sincl...@cobra.uni.edu spake unto All:
s> Lets see...Mac Performa 636 8/250/cd, keyboard and software bundle costs
s> $999.
s> An Amiga 4000T costs $2799-2999...So why does the Amiga cost about three
s> times
s> as much? Can't have $2000 worth of more features than the Mac one to
s> justify a $2000 premium.
No. It's been out of production for 18 months, and demand outstrips supply.
That tends to drive prices upwards.
s> Peter Sinclair-Day Performa 636/8-250/CD
Shane Kuntz
>> another platform I would still be spending less money.
>Lets see...Mac Performa 636 8/250/cd, keyboard and software bundle costs $999.
>An Amiga 4000T costs $2799-2999...So why does the Amiga cost about three times
>as much? Can't have $2000 worth of more features than the Mac one to justify a
>$2000 premium.
Nice argument. Since I already own three amigas and I that I was comparing
software prices, I don't see the relevancy of quoting hardware. The 4000 is
not being manufactured currently, for any price. When AT does put them back
into production, the cost will come down as they cover their ramp up costs, etc.
We don't even know the configs of the new machines for sure.. I would pay a lot
more for a tower machine with an 060 with scala software than a performs 636.
So, until 4000T's are put back into production, the price argument is pointless.
Your machine is being manufactured currently. Mine is not. Let's wait and
comment on this when it becomes relevant.
> The software bundle includes ClarisWorks which by itself puts Final Writer to
>shame. If you want more choices, try WriteNow which costs $49 and WordPerfect
>which costs $99. And if you really need Word, try your college bookstore and
>you will beable to pick it up for $80 and while your at it, photoshop will set
>you back $199.
Wow.. at those prices one could but packages at "your college bookstore" and
resell them cheaper than the mail order giants and make over twice what I
invested.
ah.. sarcasm.
>> seriously doubt that you've used any serious amiga software.
>>
>I have..The only serious package on the Amiga is LightWave...As for Mac/PC
>software for being expensive is a myth.. Why is LightWave expensive?
You have? and you think that lightwave is the only serious software out there
for the amiga? What's your definition of serious?
All the apps I use are quite "serious" as I use them in my side business
ie: scala, dpaint, imagefx, hollywoodFX, imagine, real3d, broadcast titler II,
pagestream, term, bars & pipes pro, c++, turbocalc, easy ledgers, twist2, calgari
photogenics, brilliance, shapeshifter, etc...
Lightwave is expensive because it is the best. :)
>> a post that you should of expected from this group? Why don't you email me with some great nicely
>> priced software for the PC or Mac? Especially video or graphics related.
>LightWave is $999...
Well looks like the PC/MAC overpriced "myth" is a reality.. check out any
mail order catalog or your local software shop for actual software prices or
look right here at the amiga price of Lightwave 4.0
Amiga Lightwave is $795...
Now.. where will I spend that extra $204?
Oh.. one more note about your overpriced amiga 400/mac 636 comparison..
If I were to find 10 more such offsets (like word,excel) I would cover the
hardware price difference immediately... and after the 11th package the amiga
would win. :)
*I* am more than happy to scan in and uuencode any ad I use as proof..
I can also give you the phone number of the amiga lightwave package price if
you're interested. Now.. what was the name of that bookstore? and I don't
need to be enrolled as a student either? (which has a price comarison all it's
own)
shedding some light..
Shane
the number to order your amiga lightwave 4.0 is 1-800-544-6599 Safe Harbor :)
sincl...@cobra.uni.edu
>
> Thusly sincl...@cobra.uni.edu spake unto All:
>
>
> s> Lets see...Mac Performa 636 8/250/cd, keyboard and software bundle costs
> s> $999.
> s> An Amiga 4000T costs $2799-2999...So why does the Amiga cost about three
> s> times
> s> as much? Can't have $2000 worth of more features than the Mac one to
> s> justify a $2000 premium.
>
> No. It's been out of production for 18 months, and demand outstrips supply.
> That tends to drive prices upwards.
The Amiga 4000T will be available in that price range in September. As for
demand outstripping supply is a bunch of crap. Demand for PowerMacs has
outstripped supply and prices continue to fall.
>
> s> Peter Sinclair-Day Performa 636/8-250/CD
>
> MVH: Mike Noreen
> Internet: rad...@p14.anet.canit.se
> Fido: 2:201/411.14
>
> ___ Terminate 1.50/Pro
>
sincl...@cobra.uni.edu
>>> better value! It is under half the price! Even if I had to buy two packages to equal every one of
>>> another platform I would still be spending less money.
>
>>Lets see...Mac Performa 636 8/250/cd, keyboard and software bundle costs $999.
>>An Amiga 4000T costs $2799-2999...So why does the Amiga cost about three times
>>as much? Can't have $2000 worth of more features than the Mac one to justify a
>>$2000 premium.
>
> software prices, I don't see the relevancy of quoting hardware. The 4000 is
> not being manufactured currently, for any price. When AT does put them back
> into production, the cost will come down as they cover their ramp up costs, etc.
> We don't even know the configs of the new machines for sure.. I would pay a lot
> more for a tower machine with an 060 with scala software than a performs 636.
> So, until 4000T's are put back into production, the price argument is pointless.
> Your machine is being manufactured currently. Mine is not. Let's wait and
> comment on this when it becomes relevant.
Why not quote hardware prices? The $3000 A4000T will be available in
September. By the time an 060 Amiga is reduced in price, the price for the 604
PowerMac will be cheaper. You may pay more, but you are in a miniscule
minority and others will not.
>
>> The software bundle includes ClarisWorks which by itself puts Final Writer to
>>shame. If you want more choices, try WriteNow which costs $49 and WordPerfect
>>which costs $99. And if you really need Word, try your college bookstore and
>>you will beable to pick it up for $80 and while your at it, photoshop will set
>>you back $199.
>
> Wow.. at those prices one could but packages at "your college bookstore" and
> resell them cheaper than the mail order giants and make over twice what I
> invested.
Let me rephrase this again. WriTeNow which costs $49 and WordPerfect at $99
are available at those prices to the general public from MacWarehouse, MacZone
and MacConnection.
My College BookStore sells Word for $80 and PhotoShop and PageMaker at $199.
>
> ah.. sarcasm.
>
>>> seriously doubt that you've used any serious amiga software.
>>>
There isn't any besides LightWave and Scala..
>
>>I have..The only serious package on the Amiga is LightWave...As for Mac/PC
>>software for being expensive is a myth.. Why is LightWave expensive?
>
> You have? and you think that lightwave is the only serious software out there
> for the amiga? What's your definition of serious?
>
High powered and feature rich...
> All the apps I use are quite "serious" as I use them in my side business
> ie: scala, dpaint, imagefx, hollywoodFX, imagine, real3d, broadcast titler II,
> pagestream, term, bars & pipes pro, c++, turbocalc, easy ledgers, twist2, calgari
> photogenics, brilliance, shapeshifter, etc...
>
> Lightwave is expensive because it is the best. :)
>
But than you criticise Mac software for being expensive which are considered
the best..
>>> a post that you should of expected from this group? Why don't you email me with some great nicely
>>> priced software for the PC or Mac? Especially video or graphics related.
>
>
>>LightWave is $999...
>
>
> Well looks like the PC/MAC overpriced "myth" is a reality.. check out any
> mail order catalog or your local software shop for actual software prices or
> look right here at the amiga price of Lightwave 4.0
>
> Amiga Lightwave is $795...
>
Street price I see.
>
> Now.. where will I spend that extra $204?
Amiga 4000T...
>
> Oh.. one more note about your overpriced amiga 400/mac 636 comparison..
> If I were to find 10 more such offsets (like word,excel) I would cover the
> hardware price difference immediately... and after the 11th package the amiga
> would win. :)
There is no equivelent for Word/excell on the Amiga.
>
> *I* am more than happy to scan in and uuencode any ad I use as proof..
> I can also give you the phone number of the amiga lightwave package price if
> you're interested. Now.. what was the name of that bookstore? and I don't
> need to be enrolled as a student either? (which has a price comarison all it's
> own)
University Book and Supply(extortion)....
>
> shedding some light..
>
> Shane
>
>
> the number to order your amiga lightwave 4.0 is 1-800-544-6599 Safe Harbor :)
Allen Pouratian
Henrik Wetterström <hwef...@tufvan.hv.se> wrote:
>In article <40k0de$q...@news.ios.com>, john leonard <jl...@tribeca.ios.com> writes:
>The toaster that's relesed recently for PC boxes is a flaw, compared to the Amiga version
>of the same hardware, so still the Amiga got an advantage.
>
Allen Pouratian
Michael Rivers
Si> Terry_...@mindlink.bc.ca
Si> (Terry Palfrey) writes:
Si> > Hey sinclap if the best you can muster is that Lightwave is the
Si> > only serious AMIGA package then you might as well pack it up
Si> > right now and vamoose. You don't have a clue. Your vaunted
Si> > AMIGA experience with an A1200 doesn't stand up at all, what
Si> > was it an unexpanded model bought for games and sold in
Si> > ignorance?
Si> Going through five A1200's before getting a working one and putting up
Si> with
Si> the
Si> crapp apps...I threw in the towel and have not looked back...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So why do you so often frequent this newsgroup?
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roadkill on the information superhighway
A4000/040 25mhz 18megs 1,451meg hd
... Windows, No animals were killed in the making of this product, really.
* Q-Blue 2.0 [NR] *
William Near
<> >> better value! It is under half the price! Even if I had to buy two packages to equal every one of
<> >> another platform I would still be spending less money.
<>
<>
<> Well looks like the PC/MAC overpriced "myth" is a reality.. check out any
<> mail order catalog or your local software shop for actual software prices or
<> look right here at the amiga price of Lightwave 4.0
<>
<> Amiga Lightwave is $795...
<>
<>
<>
I just found it for US$789 from Software Hut.
Looks like he has another $6 to play with! :-)
Shane Kuntz
|> In article <4157lh$e...@info1.sdrc.com>, crk...@sgcpu2.sdrc.com (Shane Kuntz) writes:
|> >>> better value! It is under half the price! Even if I had to buy two packages to equal every one of
|> >>> another platform I would still be spending less money.
|> >
|> >>Lets see...Mac Performa 636 8/250/cd, keyboard and software bundle costs $999.
|> >>An Amiga 4000T costs $2799-2999...So why does the Amiga cost about three times
|> >>as much? Can't have $2000 worth of more features than the Mac one to justify a
|> >>$2000 premium.
|> >
|> > Nice argument. Since I already own three amigas and I that I was comparing
|> > software prices, I don't see the relevancy of quoting hardware. The 4000 is
|> > not being manufactured currently, for any price. When AT does put them back
|> > into production, the cost will come down as they cover their ramp up costs, etc.
|> > We don't even know the configs of the new machines for sure.. I would pay a lot
|> > more for a tower machine with an 060 with scala software than a performs 636.
|> > So, until 4000T's are put back into production, the price argument is pointless.
|> > Your machine is being manufactured currently. Mine is not. Let's wait and
|> > comment on this when it becomes relevant.
|>
|> Why not quote hardware prices? The $3000 A4000T will be available in
|> September. By the time an 060 Amiga is reduced in price, the price for the 604
|> PowerMac will be cheaper. You may pay more, but you are in a miniscule
|> minority and others will not.
|>
base my argument on software prices?? I already own my amigas and don't plan on
buying another for quite some time. The only people the hardware argument
applies to is the new system shopper. everyone else would buy an upgrade or a
new motherboard and keep everything else (unless your computer lacks any upgrade
path, that is) For a new system shopper that either is willing to throw out
all his old software or has no previous computer ties, the choices are numerous
and beyond the scope of my initial argument. I would pay more, you are correct.
Others may pay more depending on the marketing, upgrading and future pricing of
the Amiga. But since the amiga doesn't have a unit on the shelves, I repeat my
statement "Let's wait and comment on this when it becomes relevant." Especially
when there (hopefully) will be an 060 1200 pricing package. :) Sure, I admit,
as of right now.. the 4000 is overpriced and will go to video pros. That doesn't
bother me though. Because I already own three and don't need another! :)
|>
|> >
|> >> The software bundle includes ClarisWorks which by itself puts Final Writer to
|> >>shame. If you want more choices, try WriteNow which costs $49 and WordPerfect
|> >>which costs $99. And if you really need Word, try your college bookstore and
|> >>you will beable to pick it up for $80 and while your at it, photoshop will set
|> >>you back $199.
|> >
|> > Wow.. at those prices one could but packages at "your college bookstore" and
|> > resell them cheaper than the mail order giants and make over twice what I
|> > invested.
|>
|> Let me rephrase this again. WriTeNow which costs $49 and WordPerfect at $99
|> are available at those prices to the general public from MacWarehouse, MacZone
|> and MacConnection.
|>
|> My College BookStore sells Word for $80 and PhotoShop and PageMaker at $199.
|>
bookstore"? I'll tell you why because the upgrade to word costs $88 bucks in
the MacMall.. and probably the same for PM but I don't feel like proving my point
AGAIN!
|> >
|> > ah.. sarcasm.
|> >
|> >>> seriously doubt that you've used any serious amiga software.
|> >>>
|>
|> There isn't any besides LightWave and Scala..
|>
of proving points.. and typing!
|> >
|> >>I have..The only serious package on the Amiga is LightWave...As for Mac/PC
|> >>software for being expensive is a myth.. Why is LightWave expensive?
|> >
|> > You have? and you think that lightwave is the only serious software out there
|> > for the amiga? What's your definition of serious?
|> >
|>
|> High powered and feature rich...
|>
Ah.. brings to mind World construction set (a soupped up vistapro which is also
quite nice), Provector3, and many more that are RIGHT below this..
|> > All the apps I use are quite "serious" as I use them in my side business
|> > ie: scala, dpaint, imagefx, hollywoodFX, imagine, real3d, broadcast titler II,
|> > pagestream, term, bars & pipes pro, c++, turbocalc, easy ledgers, twist2, calgari
|> > photogenics, brilliance, shapeshifter, etc...
|> >
|> > Lightwave is expensive because it is the best. :)
|> >
|>
|> But than you criticise Mac software for being expensive which are considered
|> the best..
which are considered best by whom? you? the proverbial masses?
Why would Warner bros. use imageFX in it's production if it's not the best?
Rusty Wallace actually puts out a video for imageFX.. Don't know who rusty is?
He's a producer at warner bros. of course! :) There are other hollywood examples
but they aren't needed! Mainly because I know that amiga software "measures up"
to any other platform. It surpasses it in video/graphics which is my reason
for liking my amigas SO much. And the packages are cheaper! oh.. except at
"my college bookstore". Everywhere else in the world.. photoshop will run you
about $600.
|>
|>
|> >>> a post that you should of expected from this group? Why don't you email me with some great nicely
|> >>> priced software for the PC or Mac? Especially video or graphics related.
|> >
|> >
|> >>LightWave is $999...
|> >
|> >
|> > Well looks like the PC/MAC overpriced "myth" is a reality.. check out any
|> > mail order catalog or your local software shop for actual software prices or
|> > look right here at the amiga price of Lightwave 4.0
|> >
|> > Amiga Lightwave is $795...
|> >
|>
|> Street price I see.
|>
Yep.. and the $999 is the price you quoted for me. You mean that isn't the
price at your college bookstore but a MSRP?? ;)
Sure..
|> >
|> > Now.. where will I spend that extra $204?
|>
|> Amiga 4000T...
|>
Nah.. I have three. I think I will buy a triple speed cdrom. :)
|> >
|> > Oh.. one more note about your overpriced amiga 400/mac 636 comparison..
|> > If I were to find 10 more such offsets (like word,excel) I would cover the
|> > hardware price difference immediately... and after the 11th package the amiga
|> > would win. :)
|>
|> There is no equivelent for Word/excell on the Amiga.
|>
Great! I hate those MS packages! I have no use for either of those huge
chunks of code.
|>
|> >
|> > *I* am more than happy to scan in and uuencode any ad I use as proof..
|> > I can also give you the phone number of the amiga lightwave package price if
|> > you're interested. Now.. what was the name of that bookstore? and I don't
|> > need to be enrolled as a student either? (which has a price comarison all it's
|> > own)
|>
|> University Book and Supply(extortion)....
|>
And I don't need to be enrolled? What's the number? And more importantly..
is the versions of software you quoted student versions or full versions?
I am looking to make some serious money on marketplace if your prices are
correct...
|> >
|> > shedding some light..
|> >
|> > Shane
|> >
Yep.. it's me again. - Shane
David Corn
> what you are referring to.. I compared the price of Photoshop ($600) to
the price of imageFX ($225)
(We'll ignore the fact that a professional shop can make up the difference
in a few hours work.)
> and I stated that even if photoshop has a few things imagefx 2.1 doesn't
I can still buy $375 more
> software to make up the difference. Also the same for packages like Freehand
Can you? If so, just buy cheaper Photoshop-alikes on the Mac. I got one
for $15 as a promotional special, and it will even use Photoshop
plug-ins. I forget the name, but it's cheap and fast.
($390) and Word ($285) as
> compared to Final Writer 3 ($100) or final copy 2 ($55). I believe that
the amiga software is of
> better value! It is under half the price! Even if I had to buy two
packages to equal every one of
> another platform I would still be spending less money.
You can pay whatever you wish for Word alone, but I paid $80 for the
ENTIRE Office 4.3 CDROM! That includes the latest versions of Word,
Excel, PowerPoint, and Access. These grossly inflated prices you claim
are nothing short of astounding. (I'm speaking of the PC version; I've
see Mac Office for $100 or so.)
> I didn't make any claim that said anything like what you've stated
above. BUT.. since you have so
> many more suppliers and software developers, why is PC/mac software
priced so damn high? If you
It's inexpensive. Mustang's QModem for Win95 is $70. For a professional,
supported package with their tech support behind it, that isn't bad at
all. The Amiga doesn't have any telephone-supported terminals for sale,
does it? There went the professional market....
> a post that you should of expected from this group? Why don't you email
me with some great nicely
> priced software for the PC or Mac? Especially video or graphics related.
I can't help you there, but Office for Mac and PC is cheap. It also blows
the doors off the software on the Amiga. Even ClarisWorks beats what the
Amiga has, and that came free with my Mac.
Mike Noreen
Thusly sincl...@cobra.uni.edu spake unto All:
>> s> as much? Can't have $2000 worth of more features than the Mac one to
>> s> justify a $2000 premium.
>>
>> No. It's been out of production for 18 months, and demand outstrips supply.
>> That tends to drive prices upwards.
s> The Amiga 4000T will be available in that price range in September. As
Possibly. Your crystal ball is apparently better than mine. The only price
I've seen, was someone claiming he'd seen an ad for $2700 A4000-060s with
16MB RAM. The only thing I know about future Amiga pricing is that A4000T
_WONT_ cost $3500, since AmiTech has stated that it wont.
s> for
s> demand outstripping supply is a bunch of crap. Demand for PowerMacs has
s> outstripped supply and prices continue to fall.
If so, PowerMacs are unique in their ability to offset the market forces -
something no other commodity known to me is able to do.
>> s> Peter Sinclair-Day Performa 636/8-250/CD
MVH: Mike Noreen
Internet: rad...@karkis.canit.se
Mike Noreen
Thusly sincl...@cobra.uni.edu spake unto All:
>> 16MB RAM. The only thing I know about future Amiga pricing is that A4000T
>> _WONT_ cost $3500, since AmiTech has stated that it wont.
s> The U.S. configuration is supose to be 6 MB ram..Even at $2700 is way over
s> priced...Subtract 50% and it might have a chance, but still over priced...
Well, we'll just have to see, wont we.
>> s> demand outstripping supply is a bunch of crap. Demand for PowerMacs
s> has
>> s> outstripped supply and prices continue to fall.
>>
>> If so, PowerMacs are unique in their ability to offset the market forces -
>> something no other commodity known to me is able to do.
s> The first tier Pentium firms have dropped prices despite high demand..
Yes - due to two facts: one, pentiums are recently introduced, and are now
assuming their 'real' price (as opposed to inflated introduction price),
and two, the competition between PC firms is murder.
s> Crazy
s> market when Apple reduces prices despite a 500,000 Powermac backlog as of
s> June
s> 30 before the PCI Macs were available.
Perhaps an effect of prices going from introduction to real, or perhaps
Apple is clearing its stock of old non-PCI machines. Or perhaps (and this
is the most likely explanation, IMHO) they are trying to compete with the
clone-vendors on the clone-vendors terms. Not a wise idea, IMHO.
>>>> s> Peter Sinclair-Day Performa 636/8-250/CD
s> Despise my sig?
It is on the big side, yes. I delete it to save bandwidth, not because I
disagree with its contents. Also some of them (you have several, right?)
seem to be made for more than 77 columns, leading to them becoming poorly
formatted on my screen.
Shane Kuntz
>> Possibly. Your crystal ball is apparently better than mine. The only price
>> I've seen, was someone claiming he'd seen an ad for $2700 A4000-060s with
>> 16MB RAM. The only thing I know about future Amiga pricing is that A4000T
>> _WONT_ cost $3500, since AmiTech has stated that it wont.
>The U.S. configuration is supose to be 6 MB ram..Even at $2700 is way over
>priced...Subtract 50% and it might have a chance, but still over priced...
And where pray tell did you find this information? Or is it something you
heard? I would guess it is, as Amiga Tech nor Escom have put out an official
price or configuration.
Shane
Snit
: Thusly sincl...@cobra.uni.edu spake unto All:
: s> for
: s> demand outstripping supply is a bunch of crap. Demand for PowerMacs has
: s> outstripped supply and prices continue to fall.
: If so, PowerMacs are unique in their ability to offset the market forces -
: something no other commodity known to me is able to do.
I have noticed this, too. It does seem odd that Apple keeps talking
about how their biggest problem is that they can not keep up with
demand, yet they do keep lowering their prices. Any explainations?
Anyone?
Get a Mac (while they are cheap).
Henrik Wetterström
:In article <415n1i$b...@spider.hik.se>,
Lousy memory management of MSDOS/Windows makes the thing go nuts after a while of
heavy load, such as pumping full video at 25/30 fps. This means that the
swapper will go exhausted after a few seconds and the generated video will
start to flicker. No matter how fast your computer is or how much memory you got,
it still will go down on its knees, but ok, more memory will let it live a bit more.
The only way of getting it out of this condition is to reboot the machine.
I would say it is not the toaster's fault, it is as good as can be, but it is
windows fault. Yep, M$ made it again...
/Henrik
Shane Kuntz
I suspect that if they keep their prices high people would buy a IBM based
clone. So even with the high demand for power macs they will drop their
prices in order to suck up market share from the clones. I think this is
a good strategy. They have a better product out there than the current
pentiums and if they saturate the market with cheap power pc's their
future becomes more and more stable.
Just an idea..
So if there's an asshole or two out there ready to put flaming pen to paper..
Let's hear your ideas instead rather than a bunch of your wrong! statements.
I might be just that: wrong. I didn't profess to be Nostradameaus.
Shane
Snit
: In article <41r00l$a...@news.nevada.edu>, sn...@nevada.edu (Snit) writes:
: |>
: |> I have noticed this, too. It does seem odd that Apple keeps talking
: |> about how their biggest problem is that they can not keep up with
: |> demand, yet they do keep lowering their prices. Any explainations?
: |> Anyone?
: I suspect that if they keep their prices high people would buy a IBM based
: clone. So even with the high demand for power macs they will drop their
: prices in order to suck up market share from the clones. I think this is
: a good strategy. They have a better product out there than the current
: pentiums and if they saturate the market with cheap power pc's their
: future becomes more and more stable.
Sounds reasonable to me. But if they were to raise prices and still
sell as many units (but not upset those on waiting lists) they would
still get as many machines out there - maybe they want people on
waiting lists. If you have a Mac coming, you won't buy a PC.
: Just an idea..
That just what I asked for. :)
: So if there's an asshole or two out there ready to put flaming pen to paper..
: Let's hear your ideas instead rather than a bunch of your wrong! statements.
: I might be just that: wrong. I didn't profess to be Nostradameaus.
Bad experiences out there, eh?
Get a Mac (it is a superior product at a competitive price)
: Shane
Shane Kuntz
>: So if there's an asshole or two out there ready to put flaming pen to paper..
>: Let's hear your ideas instead rather than a bunch of your wrong! statements.
>: I might be just that: wrong. I didn't profess to be Nostradameaus.
>Bad experiences out there, eh?
Yes. There are plenty of people out there that are quick to flame but when it
comes to original thought they come up short.
Shane
Snit
Have you ever heard of the psychological phenomina called
"projection"?
Get a good nights sleep. You'll feel better.