Router or ISP?
Jim White
I have had my ADSL dropping out over the last couple of weeks.
Often overnight, come down to find:
No 'ready' led,
No 'ADSL' led,
No 'data' led.
Restarting the router usually gets it back up.
The odd thing is that with the PC switched on, the connexion stays up.
The RPC on its own suffers repeated re-synching.
As the router is a PTI PAE-CE64, I can anticipate (part) of a druck
reply:-) Should my priority be replacing it, or enduring the misery of
support call to Pipex?
Cheers,
--
Jim White
Wimbledon London England
I will not aim for the head
charles
> I have had my ADSL dropping out over the last couple of weeks.
> Often overnight, come down to find:
> No 'ready' led,
> No 'ADSL' led,
> No 'data' led.
> Restarting the router usually gets it back up.
I used to get this and put it down to mains 'glitches'. I fitted a UPS and
the problem is no more.
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11
Alan Adams
Jim White <aqu...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> If I may test the knowledgebase here,
> I have had my ADSL dropping out over the last couple of weeks.
> Often overnight, come down to find:
> No 'ready' led,
> No 'ADSL' led,
> No 'data' led.
> Restarting the router usually gets it back up.
> The odd thing is that with the PC switched on, the connexion stays up.
> The RPC on its own suffers repeated re-synching.
> As the router is a PTI PAE-CE64, I can anticipate (part) of a druck
> reply:-) Should my priority be replacing it, or enduring the misery of
> support call to Pipex?
> Cheers,
I spent a large part of the summer without broadband. BT upgraded the
exchange to ADSL2+ while I was away, and on return my PTI CAE-84
wouldn't connect.
I obtained a new ADSL2 router, and that wouldn't connect either. BT
visited, tested everything and declared there was no fault. After more
pressure from the ISP, they replaced a line card in the exchange and
the new router connected, and has worked ever since.
The old router will not work with ADSL2 - I put it back to check.
It seems that BTs exchange upgrade had exposed a problem with their
hardware which was probably dormant before the upgrade.
It didn't help that the BT Openreach engineer who called only had an
ADSL modem, so some of his tests failed. As the line synch'd he
decided there wasn't a problem at their end. He was wrong.
Your ISP should know if the exchange has been upgraded - customers
aren't told.
--
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
al...@adamshome.org.uk
http://www.nckc.org.uk/
Chris Evans
> If I may test the knowledgebase here,
>
> I have had my ADSL dropping out over the last couple of weeks.
> Often overnight, come down to find:
> No 'ready' led,
> No 'ADSL' led,
> No 'data' led.
> Restarting the router usually gets it back up.
>
> The odd thing is that with the PC switched on, the connexion stays up.
> The RPC on its own suffers repeated re-synching.
> As the router is a PTI PAE-CE64, I can anticipate (part) of a druck
> reply:-) Should my priority be replacing it, or enduring the misery of
> support call to Pipex?
My router at home defaulted to dropping the line after 30 minutes of
inactivity I changed it to 'Nailed Up'
If your RPC is running a time client that could keep it up!
Chris Evans
--
CJE Micro's / 4D 'RISC OS Specialists'
Telephone: 01903 523222 Fax: 01903 523679
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Dave Plowman (News)
> I have had my ADSL dropping out over the last couple of weeks.
> Often overnight, come down to find:
> No 'ready' led,
> No 'ADSL' led,
> No 'data' led.
> Restarting the router usually gets it back up.
Does it have a log? Might be able to tell if it's lost the carrier.
> The odd thing is that with the PC switched on, the connexion stays up.
> The RPC on its own suffers repeated re-synching.
I had quite a bit of that until I bought a new one from CJE - i wanted
wireless too anyway. Since then it's never missed a beat and is on 24/7.
> As the router is a PTI PAE-CE64, I can anticipate (part) of a druck
> reply:-) Should my priority be replacing it, or enduring the misery of
> support call to Pipex?
Think I've called them four times. Twice got someone good, once average
and once I just about changed ISP on the spot. But in each occasion it was
BT at fault.
> Cheers,
--
*Toilet stolen from police station. Cops have nothing to go on.
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Tim Hill
<al...@adamshome.org.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
> Your ISP should know if the exchange has been upgraded - customers
> aren't told.
Are details of your exchanges shown here?
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/search.php?page=availability-exchange-search
21CN seems to be their name for ADSL2+
Rob Kendrick
Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> 21CN seems to be their name for ADSL2+
No, but ADSL2+ is being installed at the same time. 21st Century
Network is an entire new telephony network; ie, how exchanges
communicate with each other, etc.
B.
C J Craig
Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> [Snip]
> http://www.samknows.com/broadband/search.php?page=availability-exchang
> e-search
ADSL2+ does not Seem to be mentioned on samknows?
Is it SADSL?
What are Demon offering?
http://www.demon.net/demon/products/internetaccess/broadband/
What should one look for on Samknows to know if it is enabled?
Will it work on my old Belkin adsl wireless router labelled ADSL2+
modem with wireless G+ MIMO router. Sounds as if it should?
Chris
--
C J Craig
Ch...@skipton.demon.co.uk
Iyonix ARM XScale computer Risc OS 5.14
Tim Hill
Sorry, I pedantically meant to say that ADSL2+ is part of the 21CN
upgrade not that they are synonyms. I should have said /in this context/
or similar to cater for people who can't extrapolate such things and who
snip to prove that anything in isolation is nonsense. Sorry again if you
misunderstood.
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/21cn_overview.php
i.e. if your provider re-sells BT Wholesale your exchange needs to have
21CN WBC status for ADSL2+ to be present. If your ISP uses LLU you would
need to ask them what kit they have installed.
Perhaps Mister Kendrick would like to arbitrate that? ;-)
To put it in even simpler terms: look up your exchange on SamKnows. If it
says 21CN WBC <tick> your exchange should be ADSL2+ enabled. Whether you
are getting it or not should be a matter between you and your ISP.
My exchange has 21CN WBC status. From my Control Panel at my ISP I
examine the details of my connection and there is a button: ADSL2+
upgrade. "BT reports that your line should be able to support a new speed
of 3Mbps, compared to your current line speed 3Mbps ...". My current
speed is 3.4Mbps. I hope the remainder of their statement is equally
wrong.
It's free to upgrade so I have taken the plunge. Thanks for the prod. I
look forward to the speed upgrade of 0Mbps. ;-)
The ADSL router here is quite new and has already increased the line
speed from about 2.7Mbps with an old unit. It will be interesting to see
if there is an improvement or whether I am already on ADSL2+ without
being asked. They shouldn't do that in case you have old,
incompatible-with-ADSL2+ kit.
Assuming I can still access the net in a few days, I'll see if it is
quicker or not. We must be about 3km from the exchange so I won't hold my
breath.
--
Tim Hill
--------
tjrh.eu
... "Defend your reputation, or bid farewell to your good life for ever" M W of W Act iii, Sc.2
Rob Kendrick
Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <20091007140...@necrosis.i.flarn.net>, Rob
> Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:55:54 +0100 Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk>
> > wrote:
>
> > > 21CN seems to be their name for ADSL2+
>
> > No, but ADSL2+ is being installed at the same time. 21st Century
> > Network is an entire new telephony network; ie, how exchanges
> > communicate with each other, etc.
>
> Sorry, I pedantically meant to say that ADSL2+ is part of the 21CN
> upgrade not that they are synonyms. I should have said /in this
> context/ or similar to cater for people who can't extrapolate such
> things and who snip to prove that anything in isolation is nonsense.
Nice try, again. Except of course, you also snipped away everything
that mentioned either ADSL2+, or 21CN.
Additionally, with further reading, there is no guarantee of ADSL2+
upgrade when the 21CN upgrade happens; although it is the common
outcome. So either Samknows have got something slightly wrong, or
they're not recording that information yet.
B.
Tim Hill
<Ch...@skipton.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <50a681...@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk>
> wrote:
[Snip]
> > Are details of your exchanges shown here?
> > http://www.samknows.com/broadband/search.php?page=availability-exchange-search
> > 21CN seems to be their name for ADSL2+
> ADSL2+ does not Seem to be mentioned on samknows?
It's mentioned 134 times:
> Is it SADSL?
You mean SDSL? No.
> What are Demon offering?
> http://www.demon.net/demon/products/internetaccess/broadband/
Don't know. You need to ask them why they quote 16Mbps for ADSL2+ which
is meant to be up to 24Mbps.
> What should one look for on Samknows to know if it is enabled?
21CN WBC (The definitions of all the 'Greek' is in the links down the
left-hand side of the exchange pages)
> Will it work on my old Belkin adsl wireless router labelled ADSL2+
> modem with wireless G+ MIMO router. Sounds as if it should?
Should.
--
Tim Hill
--------
tjrh.eu
... "To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day, to the last syllable of recorded time" Macbeth, Act v, Sc.5
Tim Hill
<nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
[Snip]
> Nice try, again. Except of course, you also snipped away everything
> that mentioned either ADSL2+, or 21CN.
NSS. I do things like that just to annoy you.
> Additionally, with further reading, there is no guarantee of ADSL2+
> upgrade when the 21CN upgrade happens; although it is the common
> outcome. So either Samknows have got something slightly wrong, or
> they're not recording that information yet.
Please point us at your 'further reading'.
Rob Kendrick
Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <20091007161...@necrosis.i.flarn.net>, Rob
> Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
>
> [Snip]
>
> > Nice try, again. Except of course, you also snipped away everything
> > that mentioned either ADSL2+, or 21CN.
>
> NSS. I do things like that just to annoy you.
:)
> > Additionally, with further reading, there is no guarantee of ADSL2+
> > upgrade when the 21CN upgrade happens; although it is the common
> > outcome. So either Samknows have got something slightly wrong, or
> > they're not recording that information yet.
>
> Please point us at your 'further reading'.
Try starting at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21CN; look at the dates;
exchanges were upgraded to 21CN before they were upgraded with ADSL2+.
Thus 21CN does not imply ADSL2+.
B.
charles
> [Snip]
> http://www.samknows.com/broadband/search.php?page=availability-exchange-search
my exchange is due by the end of the year ;-))
druck
> If I may test the knowledgebase here,
>
> I have had my ADSL dropping out over the last couple of weeks.
> Often overnight, come down to find:
> As the router is a PTI PAE-CE64, I can anticipate (part) of a druck
> reply:-) Should my priority be replacing it, or enduring the misery of
> support call to Pipex?
Don't waste your time and money, I had exactly the same issue. It's a
crap cheap router, and any decent one will automatically reconnect if it
ever drops at all. Almost all are now ADSL2 compatible so you may get a
speed increase too if you are on a suitable exchange.
---druck
Mik Towse
> Jim White wrote:
> > If I may test the knowledgebase here,
> >
> > I have had my ADSL dropping out over the last couple of weeks.
> > Often overnight, come down to find:
> [snip]
> > As the router is a PTI PAE-CE64, I can anticipate (part) of a druck
> > reply:-) Should my priority be replacing it, or enduring the misery of
> > support call to Pipex?
> Don't waste your time and money, I had exactly the same issue. It's a
> crap cheap router, and any decent one will automatically reconnect if it
> ever drops at all.
I agree. I had the same router & when it was on my cordless telephone had an
annoying hum. When I replaced it with a Belkin the hum stopped & I got a
slight increase in d/l speed.
The Belkin is quite old so probably isn't ADSL2 compatible, but I doubt I
need to worry just now. Our exchange is due to by 'done' in Q3 2011!
--
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Graeme
Mik Towse <m...@towse.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <4ACD12EC...@druck.freeuk.com> druck wrote:
> > Jim White wrote:
> > > If I may test the knowledgebase here,
> > >
> > > I have had my ADSL dropping out over the last couple of weeks.
> > > Often overnight, come down to find:
> > [snip]
> > > As the router is a PTI PAE-CE64, I can anticipate (part) of a druck
> > > reply:-) Should my priority be replacing it, or enduring the misery of
> > > support call to Pipex?
> > Don't waste your time and money, I had exactly the same issue. It's a
> > crap cheap router, and any decent one will automatically reconnect if it
> > ever drops at all.
> [snip]
> I agree. I had the same router & when it was on my cordless telephone had an
> annoying hum. When I replaced it with a Belkin the hum stopped & I got a
> slight increase in d/l speed.
>
> The Belkin is quite old so probably isn't ADSL2 compatible, but I doubt I
> need to worry just now. Our exchange is due to by 'done' in Q3 2011!
>
Digressing slightly has anyone experience of the BT iPlate? Does it do any
good?
--
Graeme Wall
My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/>
Tim Hill
<Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
> Digressing slightly has anyone experience of the BT iPlate? Does it do
> any good?
Experience, no, but I read (in Computer Shopper IIRC - not to hand ATM)
that disconnecting the bell wire (line 3 is needed only for museum
pieces) has the same effect and what a waste of time the new faceplate is.
Unless you are a museum, that is. I am sure someone may pop up and tell
us that their bakelite phone with a dial still works as well as it ever
did. I'm sure it does too! ;)
Those people are the only who need the new faceplate.
Tim Hill
> > In article <20091007161...@necrosis.i.flarn.net>, Rob
> > Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
> >
> > [Snip]
> >
> > > Nice try, again. Except of course, you also snipped away
> > > everything that mentioned either ADSL2+, or 21CN.
> >
> > NSS. I do things like that just to annoy you.
> :)
> > > Additionally, with further reading, there is no guarantee of ADSL2+
> > > upgrade when the 21CN upgrade happens; although it is the common
> > > outcome. So either Samknows have got something slightly wrong, or
> > > they're not recording that information yet.
> >
> > Please point us at your 'further reading'.
> Try starting at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21CN; look at the dates;
> exchanges were upgraded to 21CN before they were upgraded with ADSL2+.
Mmmm...."This article may contain original research or unverified
claims." So is your reference unreferenced? ;-)
> Thus 21CN does not imply ADSL2+.
It does, because 21CN is followed by 21CN WBC which _is_ adsl2+
You can't have the latter two without the former but /of course/ such
things can't be done all at once and it's natural for equipment to be
delivered and installed sequentially. Exchanges sometimes have limited
space. As I expanded elsewhere, the key implementation is of 21CN _WBC_
(this date is listed on asksam, not simply the 21CN milestone)
BT's website: "The ADSL2+ equipment that Wholesale Broadband Connect runs
on supports a theoretical maximum speed of 24Mbit/s"
So the order of 'installation' seems to be:
21CN
ADSL2+
21CN WDC
So, dear reader, does that make ADSL2+ part of 21CN? In a broad sense?
Chris Hughes
Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <449c27a750%Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk>, Graeme
> <Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> [Snip]
>> Digressing slightly has anyone experience of the BT iPlate? Does it do
>> any good?
> Experience, no, but I read (in Computer Shopper IIRC - not to hand ATM)
> that disconnecting the bell wire (line 3 is needed only for museum
> pieces) has the same effect and what a waste of time the new faceplate is.
I read that piece in Shopper, Solwise claimed its not needed, and sell
their own version!
Sadly its not just the bell wire that can be a problem (so Solwise are
being misleading at best).
> Unless you are a museum, that is. I am sure someone may pop up and tell
> us that their bakelite phone with a dial still works as well as it ever
> did. I'm sure it does too! ;)
Actually it does!
> Those people are the only who need the new faceplate.
--
Chris Hughes
Graeme
Ta for that,�haven't examined the innards of the socket in many years. Mind
you there are times I feel like a museum piece...
Steve Fryatt
With suitable modifications, of course. Going by the innards of the GPO
Type 332 (IIRC) phone (circa 1937) that I have been playing with recently,
it can be configured to do whatever you want as long as you put the internal
links into the correct places and fit resistive shunts where necessary.
Nicely made, too... :-)
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
Chris Evans
It only fits certain types of Master box, the same type of box allows the
fitting of an NTE5/NTB5 faceplate which includes a 'Master' microfilter and
also isolates the bell wire.
Don't bother with an iPlate but fit an NTE5 faceplate!
http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/newprodpages/prodinfo.php?prodcode=VAR-MICFIL-NTB5
Graeme
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
Problem is I want an unfiltered feed for the hardwired extension as that is
what feeds the router.
Evan Clark
Graeme <Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Problem is I want an unfiltered feed for the hardwired extension as
> that is what feeds the router.
You'll find what you need here:
<http://www.clarity.it/xcart/home.php?cat=262>
More info here:
<http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_faceplate.htm>
and here:
<http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm>
Notes:
1. The last link above also explains how the i-Plate filters out possible
interference on the bell wire. Unless you really need the bell wire, or
want to retain it for use by any future occupier, removing the bell wire
achieves the same result and avoids the additional bulk of the i-Plate.
2. It's worth using high quality twisted pair telephone extension wire
or even considering CAT5e cable for your ADSL extension.
Evan.
Graeme
Evan Clark <ev...@ejclark.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <df113a950%Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk>,
> Graeme <Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Problem is I want an unfiltered feed for the hardwired extension as
> > that is what feeds the router.
>
> You'll find what you need here:
>
> <http://www.clarity.it/xcart/home.php?cat=262>
>
> More info here:
>
> <http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_faceplate.htm>
>
> and here:
>
> <http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm>
>
> Notes:
>
> 1. The last link above also explains how the i-Plate filters out possible
> interference on the bell wire. Unless you really need the bell wire, or
> want to retain it for use by any future occupier, removing the bell wire
> achieves the same result and avoids the additional bulk of the i-Plate.
Might try that, though the clarity website seems to infer it is not likely to
have much effect
>
> 2. It's worth using high quality twisted pair telephone extension wire
> or even considering CAT5e cable for your ADSL extension.
>
It's twisted pair and runs under a fair bit of fitted carpet so I don't think
replacing it with Cat 5 will go down too well with SWMBO.
Mik Towse
unfiltered sockets on the front. This seems to be exactly what you need. I
bought mine from clarity.it a few years ago; pretty much as soon as it was
made available. I just checked their site, but can't see it on there.
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Graeme
Mik Towse <m...@towse.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <df113a950%Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk> Graeme wrote:
> > In message <ant12101...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> > Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> > > It only fits certain types of Master box, the same type of box allows
> > > the fitting of an NTE5/NTB5 faceplate which includes a 'Master'
> > > microfilter and also isolates the bell wire. Don't bother with an
> > > iPlate but fit an NTE5 faceplate!
> > >
> > > http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/newprodpages/prodinfo.php?prodcode=VAR-MICFIL-NTB5
> > >
> > > Chris Evans
> > Problem is I want an unfiltered feed for the hardwired extension as that
> > is what feeds the router.
> How odd! My NTE replacement plate is unfiltered at the back & filtered /
> unfiltered sockets on the front. This seems to be exactly what you need. I
> bought mine from clarity.it a few years ago; pretty much as soon as it was
> made available. I just checked their site, but can't see it on there.
>
But will it have any effect on the hardwired feed? As far as I can make out
it only affects wires plugged into the front of the device.
Chris Hughes
Graeme <Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
If you can the clarity box, (not the CJE version - which can't do this
bit) You can connect your hardwired ADSL connection to the inside of
the new faceplate they have seperate internal connectors - I have one
and have done for some time.
--
Chris Hughes
Graeme
Chris Hughes <ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <432a42a950%Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk>
> Graeme <Gra...@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In message <50A9409CAB%mik....@xemik.com>
> > Mik Towse <m...@towse.org.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>
> > But will it have any effect on the hardwired feed? As far as I can make
> > out it only affects wires plugged into the front of the device.
>
> If you can the clarity box, (not the CJE version - which can't do this
> bit) You can connect your hardwired ADSL connection to the inside of
> the new faceplate they have seperate internal connectors - I have one
> and have done for some time.
>
>
Thanks, I'll try disconnecting the bell wire first and see if that makes any
difference. If not I'll consider the clarity box.
Sorry Chris!
Chris Evans
The units we now sell do have both unfiltered[1] and filtered hard wired
outputs!
n.b. I heard of someone recently who moved their router from an extension
socket to the master socket, their datarate went up by a factor of three!
Presumably a dodgy extension.
[1] The manufacturer recommends unfiltered wiring to be cat5 quality or
better.
Rob Kendrick
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> n.b. I heard of someone recently who moved their router from an
> extension socket to the master socket, their datarate went up by a
> factor of three! Presumably a dodgy extension.
BT now offer an alternative face plate for master sockets that includes
microfilter; this can improve performance dramatically, as the
filtering is done before any slave sockets can act as antennas on the
conductor.
B.
Chris Hughes
Rob Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
You mean the i-Plate ?
Just as an aside if BT openReach intsall any new lines you get one of
the new master boxes with the new filter built in as standard - thus
don't need an i-Plate on these.
--
Chris Hughes
Chris Evans
AIUI an iPlate does no filtering but the NTE5/NTB5 faceplate as well as
filtering also acts as an iPlate.
Chris Evans
That is what the NTE5/NTB5 faceplate that has been talked about earlier in
this thread does or are you meaning something else?
Chris Hughes
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <170fcca9...@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes
> <URL:mailto:ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <20091013121...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>
>> Rob Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:57:56 +0100
>>> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> n.b. I heard of someone recently who moved their router from an
>>>> extension socket to the master socket, their datarate went up by a
>>>> factor of three! Presumably a dodgy extension.
>>
>>> BT now offer an alternative face plate for master sockets that includes
>>> microfilter; this can improve performance dramatically, as the
>>> filtering is done before any slave sockets can act as antennas on the
>>> conductor.
>>
>> You mean the i-Plate ?
>>
>> Just as an aside if BT openReach intsall any new lines you get one of
>> the new master boxes with the new filter built in as standard - thus
>> don't need an i-Plate on these.
> AIUI an iPlate does no filtering but the NTE5/NTB5 faceplate as well as
> filtering also acts as an iPlate.
iPlate filter line noise.
--
Chris Hughes
Chris Hughes
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
OK, so you have changed the version you now sell.
> n.b. I heard of someone recently who moved their router from an extension
> socket to the master socket, their datarate went up by a factor of three!
> Presumably a dodgy extension.
Frequent problem, and becomes more noticeable on ADSL Max or ADSL2
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Chris Hughes
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <20091013121...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>,
> Rob Kendrick <URL:mailto:nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:57:56 +0100
>> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> n.b. I heard of someone recently who moved their router from an
>>> extension socket to the master socket, their datarate went up by a
>>> factor of three! Presumably a dodgy extension.
>>
>> BT now offer an alternative face plate for master sockets that includes
>> microfilter; this can improve performance dramatically, as the
>> filtering is done before any slave sockets can act as antennas on the
>> conductor.
> That is what the NTE5/NTB5 faceplate that has been talked about earlier in
> this thread does or are you meaning something else?
No.
Original BT BTE5 requires a i-Plate help filtering out interference.
New OpenReach version does not since its been included in the new
version
BT/Clarity/Solwise alternative faceplate amongst others offers a
replacement for the ADSL filter splitters.
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Chris Hughes
Chris Evans
<URL:mailto:ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <ant14093...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <170fcca9...@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes
> > <URL:mailto:ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> >> In message <20091013121...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>
> >> Rob Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:57:56 +0100
> >>> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> n.b. I heard of someone recently who moved their router from an
> >>>> extension socket to the master socket, their datarate went up by a
> >>>> factor of three! Presumably a dodgy extension.
> >>
> >>> BT now offer an alternative face plate for master sockets that includes
> >>> microfilter; this can improve performance dramatically, as the
> >>> filtering is done before any slave sockets can act as antennas on the
> >>> conductor.
> >>
> >> You mean the i-Plate ?
> >>
> >> Just as an aside if BT openReach intsall any new lines you get one of
> >> the new master boxes with the new filter built in as standard - thus
> >> don't need an i-Plate on these.
>
> > AIUI an iPlate does no filtering but the NTE5/NTB5 faceplate as well as
> > filtering also acts as an iPlate.
>
> iPlate filter line noise.
Well disconnecting something certainly filters it! Do you have any
authoritive detailed refrence?
Chris Hughes
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
Not really, just all the reviews from respected organisations and
websites.
BT Broadband users by the looks of it can get for the cost of postage
only anyway.
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Steve Fryatt
Whereas the "respected sites"[1] that I've seen have said that it just
disconnects the (now largely unused) ring wire. I don't have any
references, I'm afraid -- it was something that I noted in the context of
"oh, that makes sense -- but I'm already using a filtered master socket from
Clarity anyway, so I don't want one."
1. What's one of them, anyway?
Evan Clark
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> Whereas the "respected sites"[1] that I've seen have said that it just
> disconnects the (now largely unused) ring wire. I don't have any
> references, I'm afraid --
The reference I quoted earlier suggests otherwise - page section third
from the bottom:
<http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm>
The bell wire has a 22mH choke in line, which acts as a low pass filter
and blocks any high frequency interference which is detrimental to the
ADSL signal. The effect is the same as disconnecting the bell wire, but
now any older phone requiring the signal on the bell wire will still
function.
Evan.
Steve Fryatt
Tim Hill
wrote:
[Snip]
> My exchange has 21CN WBC status. From my Control Panel at my ISP I
> examine the details of my connection and there is a button: ADSL2+
> upgrade. "BT reports that your line should be able to support a new
> speed of 3Mbps, compared to your current line speed 3Mbps ...". My
> current speed is 3.4Mbps. I hope the remainder of their statement is
> equally wrong.
> It's free to upgrade so I have taken the plunge. Thanks for the prod. I
> look forward to the speed upgrade of 0Mbps. ;-)
[snip]
> Assuming I can still access the net in a few days, I'll see if it is
> quicker or not. We must be about 3km from the exchange so I won't hold
> my breath.
The transition to ADSL2 went without a hitch but I have since had to
restart the router as its web server (for configuration) stopped
responding.
But, oh dear!
Average download speed ADSL 1: 3.41 Mbps
2: 2.42 Mbps
Average upload speed ADSL 1: 0.38 Mbps
2: 0.72 Mbps
That latter result is nice but I didn't expect such a massive drop in
download speeds (though 2.42 is probably adequate for my needs).
The upload speed increase helps webjames deliver its stuff quicker, of
course.
Speed checks above courtesy of speedtest.net
The BT Speed Tester reports average download 2334Kbps and that my line
profile is currently only 2500. I am connected at 3819 so hopefully the
2500 will be lifted automatically soon.
Sloth courtesy of BT. ;-)
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druck
> The transition to ADSL2 went without a hitch but I have since had to
> restart the router as its web server (for configuration) stopped
> responding.
>
> But, oh dear!
[snip]
> That latter result is nice but I didn't expect such a massive drop in
> download speeds (though 2.42 is probably adequate for my needs).
ADSL2 is rate adaptive like ADSL1 Max, so speeds may improve as the
exchange learns the properties of your line. Help it along by
disconnecting the router every day for a couple of days, and you should
see the speed increase.
---druck
John Williams (News)
druck <ne...@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> Help it along by disconnecting the router every day for a couple of
> days, and you should see the speed increase.
So there you are - only use it one day in three and it'll go faster!
John
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druck
> In article <4AF4722B...@druck.org.uk>,
> druck <ne...@druck.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Help it along by disconnecting the router every day for a couple of
>> days, and you should see the speed increase.
>
> So there you are - only use it one day in three and it'll go faster!
I should have said disconnect and reconnect - you can still use it everyday.
---druck
Chris Johnson
druck <ne...@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> I should have said disconnect and reconnect - you can still use it
> everyday.
Probably best to leave it disconnected for half an hour or so. Rapid
disconnect/reconnects can make the exchange equipment think the line
is dropping out, and the sync rate may be reduced, rather than the
hoped for increase. Also best to do it in daylight during the
morning, when the SNR will be higher (usually more rf interference
during the hours of darkness).
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Tim Hill
<chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <4AF48286...@druck.org.uk>, druck <ne...@druck.org.uk>
> wrote:
> > I should have said disconnect and reconnect - you can still use it
> > everyday.
/I/ knew what druck meant. :-)
> Probably best to leave it disconnected for half an hour or so. Rapid
> disconnect/reconnects can make the exchange equipment think the line is
> dropping out, and the sync rate may be reduced, rather than the hoped
> for increase. Also best to do it in daylight during the morning, when
> the SNR will be higher (usually more rf interference during the hours
> of darkness).
I'll give that a try tomorrow morning.
T