Adding back-up with LanMan98
Chris F
I consider my Iyonix to be my main machine. I also have an A9 and an
RPC. Each of these can read & write files to and from the disc drives on
each of these three computers.
I also have 2 laptops which access the internet, wirelessly, through the
same router as the 3 Risc machines. Neither the Risc machines nor the
laptop can read/write across the platform divide.
As far as I know, I neither use Omniclient nor NTFiler. I believe the
connections are made with ShareFS.
I want to add an external drive to act as a backup store for important
files and it should be accessible from each group of platforms.
I have installed LanMan98 for the first time and it resides on the icon
bar. The Lacie is connected to the Switch.
I am looking at the LanMan98 dialogue box and reading the ReadMe
file:
QUOTE - "For the "Local name", you choose a name by which you wish the
share to be known on the RISC OS side. For "Server", you must supply
the name of the machine on which the remote share resides. And for
"Share" you must supply the name of that share as known to the remote
machine."
I will call the localname "Lacie". I don't understand the next two;
'Server' and 'Share'.
Would someone advise me, please?
--
BW Chris F. [ British Iyonix, RISC OS 5.13 & A9 ]
Dr Peter Young
> I want to connect a stand-alone back-up disc (Lacie) to my network.
Done regularly here, to an external USB drive connected to a Windows
machine.
[snip]
> QUOTE - "For the "Local name", you choose a name by which you wish the
> share to be known on the RISC OS side. For "Server", you must supply
> the name of the machine on which the remote share resides. And for
> "Share" you must supply the name of that share as known to the remote
> machine."
> I will call the localname "Lacie". I don't understand the next two;
> 'Server' and 'Share'.
"Server" is the name of the Windows computer, which you can find by
looking at "Properties" of the My Computer folder, and "Share" is the
name you have given to whatever you want to share in Windows when you
set up the share. This can be found again under "Properties" of the
folder or whatever that is shared, in the "Sharing" tab.
I could send some screenshots off-list if this is as clear as mud. As
with so many Windows things, it's all unnecessarily complicated.
With best wishes,
Peter.
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Chris Hughes
Chris F <c.n...@virgin.net> wrote:
Server is the Lacie network name if its the same as mine then it will
be the default of "NetworkHD"
The share is the share name on the drive (again if its like mine then
its "OpenShare")
> Would someone advise me, please?
--
Chris Hughes
John Sandford
Dr Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2 Oct 2009 Chris F <c.n...@virgin.net> wrote:
>> I want to connect a stand-alone back-up disc (Lacie) to my network.
> Done regularly here, to an external USB drive connected to a Windows
> machine.
His is a network drive, no windows involved
[snip]
> "Server" is the name of the Windows computer, which you can find by
> looking at "Properties" of the My Computer folder, and "Share" is the
> name you have given to whatever you want to share in Windows when you
> set up the share. This can be found again under "Properties" of the
> folder or whatever that is shared, in the "Sharing" tab.
You can find the networkdrives name by using a windows machine and
look under Network places for its server name.
Shares and users are set on the drive using its webpage based
configuration, you can also set your own server name
> I could send some screenshots off-list if this is as clear as mud. As
> with so many Windows things, it's all unnecessarily complicated.
> With best wishes,
> Peter.
Most networked storage runs under linux.
John
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John Sandford
Chris Hughes <ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> Server is the Lacie network name if its the same as mine then it will
> be the default of "NetworkHD"
> The share is the share name on the drive (again if its like mine then
> its "OpenShare")
This probably a Public default share,not very secure, you should be
able to set user / password shares of any name of your own, remember
the drive is on the network which is mostly also attached to the
router, wireless network and Internet connection.
Chris Hughes
John Sandford <fornew...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> In message <7d681ca4...@o2.co.uk>
> Chris Hughes <ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> Server is the Lacie network name if its the same as mine then it will
>> be the default of "NetworkHD"
>> The share is the share name on the drive (again if its like mine then
>> its "OpenShare")
> This probably a Public default share,not very secure, you should be
> able to set user / password shares of any name of your own, remember
> the drive is on the network which is mostly also attached to the
> router, wireless network and Internet connection.
Thanks John, I am well aware of all the above, and It can't certainly
in my set-up be got at from outside my network.
--
Chris Hughes
Chris F
> Server is the Lacie network name if its the same as mine then it will
> be the default of "NetworkHD"
>
> The share is the share name on the drive (again if its like mine then
> its "OpenShare")
>
> > Would someone advise me, please?
Thanks for advice so far.
Here is my progress.
>
Having accessed the Lacie with a PC, I now begin to understand.
The Lacie is just a machine describing itself as "LaCie Network Space"
in the PC reading of the network. I'm assuming that the following word
'(Networkspace)' is LaCie's way of telling me it's 'networkdrive name'
or 'server name'.
My Lacie seems to have 2 internal drives for I see 'myshare' and
'openshare' on my PC screen; so now I know where the word 'share' comes
from - and I appreciate that it doesn't have to be a physical drive. I'm
guessing that inside my black plastic Lacie box there is just one drive
with a partition.
However, I know that one of these 2 shares requires a password and since
I don't see a way to associate similar security to the other share, I
guess that, conceptually, the partition is automatically 'moveable' (or
flexible).
In the administrators area it states the disc overall size but no
mention of partitions. There does not seem to be anywhere to associate a
password with the open share.
In LanMan98 I now have the ammunition to complete the 'New' window and
the Iyonix icon has, indeed, been renamed.
I am now able to drag n drop, open and delete into and out of the Lacie.
.... and for my next trick; I shall set-up R-comp's !Safestore.
But now - for a cup of tea.
--
BW Chris F. [ British Iyonix, RISC OS 5.13, A9, PC & Lacie ]
Richard Porter
write:
I have a similar problem but I feel as though I'm banging my head
against a brick wall. My network consists of an RPC, ADSL
Router/Switch, PPC Mac, Airport Extreme and (wirelessly) a Macbook
which could run VA (but there are authentication issues).
The airport base station has an Iomega hard drive attached that is
used by Time Machine on the Macbook. The iomega includes a USB hub to
which I have attached an Integral hard disc enclosure containing my
old RPC hard drive, currently FAT formatted.
I can access the Integral on the Mac and mount it on VA. I can share
it via VA with the RPC. I can therefore run Safestore but only when
the Macbook is up and running and when it condescends to let me to run
VA, and even then it is extremely slow. I need to access the Integral
from the RPC.
I have tried Lanman98 and Omniclient unsuccessfully. Everything I try
either does nothing or produces an error. I haven't got a Windows PC
and I don't know what the airport is called on the network - the
Macbook refers to it as "Richard Porter's Airport Extreme". I only
know the IP address and the passwords for the airport and the network.
Even if I knew how would I differentiate the two drives? The iomega is
supposed to be accessible from any machine on the network but I can't
access that either.
--
Richard Porter
rich@ / www. richardporter.me.uk
"You can't have Windows without pains."
John Sandford
Chris F <c.n...@virgin.net> wrote:
> In message <7d681ca4...@o2.co.uk>
> Chris Hughes <ne...@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> Server is the Lacie network name if its the same as mine then it will
>> be the default of "NetworkHD"
>>
>> The share is the share name on the drive (again if its like mine then
>> its "OpenShare")
>>
>>> Would someone advise me, please?
> Thanks for advice so far.
> Here is my progress.
[snip]
> My Lacie seems to have 2 internal drives for I see 'myshare' and
> 'openshare' on my PC screen; so now I know where the word 'share' comes
> from - and I appreciate that it doesn't have to be a physical drive. I'm
> guessing that inside my black plastic Lacie box there is just one drive
> with a partition.
More likley only one partion, but with two Folders called myshare and
openshare which are the "shares"
[snip]
> In the administrators area it states the disc overall size but no
> mention of partitions. There does not seem to be anywhere to associate a
> password with the open share.
openshare will be set by the OS to be a public share not requiring a
password, allows any user access, useful to transfer files between
users (or computers) without passing around passwords.
Here my network storage has 6 people using it each with their own
usernames/passwords and shares.
> In LanMan98 I now have the ammunition to complete the 'New' window and
> the Iyonix icon has, indeed, been renamed.
> I am now able to drag n drop, open and delete into and out of the Lacie.
> .... and for my next trick; I shall set-up R-comp's !Safestore.
> But now - for a cup of tea.
--
Chris F
Richard Porter <dontu...@address.uk.invalid> wrote:
> > .... and for my next trick; I shall set-up R-comp's !Safestore.
>
> The airport base station has an Iomega hard drive attached that is
> used by Time Machine on the Macbook. The iomega includes a USB hub to
> which I have attached an Integral hard disc enclosure containing my
> old RPC hard drive, currently FAT formatted.
the
> Macbook refers to it as "Richard Porter's Airport Extreme". I only
> know the IP address and the passwords for the airport and the network.
> Even if I knew how would I differentiate the two drives?
Now, I know only what I've done and I'm not even sure I understand it.
But FWIW, I drew a diagram from your description and what I notice is
that you have your Mac Book connected to your network with a usb to the
Iomega. I have my Iyonix connected to my network with a network cable to
the router.
I mention this because although my Lacie does have a usb socket, it's
unused - and I dont know what it's for because the 'user manual' (ho
ho) doesn't even mention it!
When I was clicking various things, I did see a short list of IP
addresses. They seemed to be to do with the interrogation of the Lacie
but more importantly, they were only accessible from the PC.
I know nowt about Mac's.
Oh, and I've got Safestore to work and it's backed-up my email Messenger
data for starters.
The Lacie shows-up in the PC's 'Network places' window so I guess it
could be a case of 'copy & paste' to back-up PC files; although I
acknowledge that the better option is to program the operation with
Safestore - it will be quite simple after I get the wireless PC and the
Iyonix to 'see' each-other.
--
BW Chris F. [ British Iyonix, RISC OS 5.13 & A9 ]
British Real Ale! (Because you're worth it.)
Chris F
John Sandford <fornew...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> More likley only one partion, but with two Folders called myshare and
> openshare which are the "shares"
>
Yes; that makes sense.
> openshare will be set by the OS to be a public share not requiring a
> password, allows any user access, useful to transfer files between
> users (or computers) without passing around passwords.
>
> Here my network storage has 6 people using it each with their own
> usernames/passwords and shares.
>
... and so does that.
Thanks for your input.
--
BW Chris F. [ British Iyonix, RISC OS 5.13 & A9 ]
Santa rides the Foxfield Railway! Do you? (www.foxfieldrailway.co.uk)
Chris Hughes
Chris F <c.n...@virgin.net> wrote:
> In message <57c885a...@user.minijem.plus.com>
> Richard Porter <dontu...@address.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>> .... and for my next trick; I shall set-up R-comp's !Safestore.
>>
>> The airport base station has an Iomega hard drive attached that is
>> used by Time Machine on the Macbook. The iomega includes a USB hub to
>> which I have attached an Integral hard disc enclosure containing my
>> old RPC hard drive, currently FAT formatted.
> the
>> Macbook refers to it as "Richard Porter's Airport Extreme". I only
>> know the IP address and the passwords for the airport and the network.
>> Even if I knew how would I differentiate the two drives?
> Now, I know only what I've done and I'm not even sure I understand it.
> But FWIW, I drew a diagram from your description and what I notice is
> that you have your Mac Book connected to your network with a usb to the
> Iomega. I have my Iyonix connected to my network with a network cable to
> the router.
I read it as he had the Iomega USB drive attached to his "Airport
Express"
> I mention this because although my Lacie does have a usb socket, it's
> unused - and I dont know what it's for because the 'user manual' (ho
> ho) doesn't even mention it!
It is but on the CD, its used for Adding USB printers or Pen Drive or
another Hard drive.
> When I was clicking various things, I did see a short list of IP
> addresses. They seemed to be to do with the interrogation of the Lacie
> but more importantly, they were only accessible from the PC.
Have you used the webpage interface?
> I know nowt about Mac's.
> Oh, and I've got Safestore to work and it's backed-up my email Messenger
> data for starters.
Yes it works well with !SafeStore.
> The Lacie shows-up in the PC's 'Network places' window so I guess it
> could be a case of 'copy & paste' to back-up PC files; although I
> acknowledge that the better option is to program the operation with
> Safestore - it will be quite simple after I get the wireless PC and the
> Iyonix to 'see' each-other.
You might find some useful info in the first part of the series of
articles on Networking in the WROCC newsletter for this month that you
will be getting shortly, or you could ask on the Club discussion forum
if you wanted.
--
Chris Hughes
Richard Porter
to write:
>> In message <57c885a...@user.minijem.plus.com>
>> Richard Porter <dontu...@address.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>> .... and for my next trick; I shall set-up R-comp's !Safestore.
>>>
>>> The airport base station has an Iomega hard drive attached that is
>>> used by Time Machine on the Macbook. The iomega includes a USB hub to
>>> which I have attached an Integral hard disc enclosure containing my
>>> old RPC hard drive, currently FAT formatted.
>> the
>>> Macbook refers to it as "Richard Porter's Airport Extreme". I only
>>> know the IP address and the passwords for the airport and the network.
>>> Even if I knew how would I differentiate the two drives?
>> Now, I know only what I've done and I'm not even sure I understand it.
>> But FWIW, I drew a diagram from your description and what I notice is
>> that you have your Mac Book connected to your network with a usb to the
>> Iomega. I have my Iyonix connected to my network with a network cable to
>> the router.
> I read it as he had the Iomega USB drive attached to his "Airport
> Express"
That's correct (almost - it's an Airport Extreme). The Macbook is
connected wirelessly to the network, the airport being the wireless
access point on the ethernet LAN. The airport has one USB port which
is connected to the iomega drive. The iomega provides three extra USB
ports two of which I use for the Integral HD enclosure and a printer.
Richard Porter
to write:
>> I know nowt about Mac's.
You can set it up from a PC but you need something called Boujour for
Windows. However as I haven't got a Windows PC that's academic.
>> Oh, and I've got Safestore to work and it's backed-up my email Messenger
>> data for starters.
I've made a bit of progress. I found an obscure "Edit" button on the
airport utility manual setup window which enabled me to set a local
network name for the base station. Now I can see it on the RiscPC -
big step forward!
Unfortunately when I try connecting I get "Connection failed (61)"
whatever that means. I did briefly get one of the discs to appear I
couldn't open it and now it's gone again.