Talk Talk Broadband and Newsgroups
Chris Hughes
He has e-mail working but can't get newsgroups (usenet) to work.
He is using an Iyonix if that is important.
The Connect & Go CD says to use news.talktalk.net
But it just times out.
Googling comes up with conflicting information, so says they don't
have one, ohers say they do.
Anyone know for certain?
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David H Wild
> Anyone know for certain?
Yes. Talktalk no longer provide a news service. I use
news.greatnowhere,com, but there are several other free news sources.
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Chris Hughes
>> Anyone know for certain?
Thanks for confirming what I suspected.
Quite why they bother to supply the details of news.talktalk.net I
don't know......
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Tim Hill
<ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <475aca0e$0$1341$834e...@reader.greatnowhere.com> David H
> Wild <dhw...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> > In article <eb84064e...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes
> > <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> A member of ours has switched ISP to TalkTalk.
> >> He has e-mail working but can't get newsgroups (usenet) to work.
[Snip]
> > Yes. Talktalk no longer provide a news service. I use
> > news.greatnowhere,com, but there are several other free news sources.
> Thanks for confirming what I suspected.
> Quite why they bother to supply the details of news.talktalk.net I
> don't know......
Because TT are rubbish? You get what you pay for, then they pull the rug
away.
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Chris Hughes
Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <06f6184e...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes
> <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <475aca0e$0$1341$834e...@reader.greatnowhere.com> David H
>> Wild <dhw...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>> In article <eb84064e...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes
>>> <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> A member of ours has switched ISP to TalkTalk.
>>>> He has e-mail working but can't get newsgroups (usenet) to work.
> [Snip]
>>> Yes. Talktalk no longer provide a news service. I use
>>> news.greatnowhere,com, but there are several other free news sources.
>> Thanks for confirming what I suspected.
>> Quite why they bother to supply the details of news.talktalk.net I
>> don't know......
> Because TT are rubbish? You get what you pay for, then they pull the rug
> away.
Personally I would probably have not recommended them. But what done
is done, anyway the member is going to go to use news.indevidual.net.
It also appears he was not told about the other gotcha, if after the
18 month contract you decide to go back to BT it appears you have to
pay 125 ukp reconnection fee unless thay have one of their offers on
at the time.
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Tim Hill
(news) <evan...@onetel.net.uk.invalid> wrote:
> In article <4f4e64...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
> <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > Because TT are rubbish? You get what you pay for, then they pull the
> > rug away.
> I think that I would rather use a free news service than the ones some
> ISPs provide. Plusnet's news service was so poor that I went with the
> 10 euro a year 'news.individual.net'
Plusnet are not necessarily a good example of an efficient ISP, many
usenet postings seem to indicate they are "not as good as others".
10 EUR a year is 10 euros more than free.
> At the moment I also get news from the free news servers news.aioe.org
> and news.sunsite.dk
> They all seem to get the same news so I may drop the
> news.individual.net.
Hmmm. I have used only one news server for years and <touches wood />
can't remember /ever/ having a problem or feeling the need to manage
multiple or changing sources.
Small, efficient, ISP whose wholesale provider wins awards. :-)
YMMV
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Evan Clark
Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> Plusnet are not necessarily a good example of an efficient ISP, many
> usenet postings seem to indicate they are "not as good as others".
I've been with them for almost four years, with few problems.
One major advantage is that you can discuss issues directly with some of
the technical support guys on their forums (or usenet if you prefer).
Evan.
Doug Webb
Chris Hughes <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>
> It also appears he was not told about the other gotcha, if after the
> 18 month contract you decide to go back to BT it appears you have to
> pay 125 ukp reconnection fee unless thay have one of their offers on
> at the time.
Not strictly true as they have to state that as the maximum due to
the changes in equivalence when Openreach was set up.
It could be less than the £125 and depends if you are moving from a
Local loop unbundled service where the cabling has been altered by the
previous supplier in the main exchange and thus may involve an
engineering visit somewhere from the house to exchange. None engineer
visits would normally be free and as you state depends on any offers
on a the time.
This is one of the issues that is being looked at by BTRetail but it
is complex as Openreach are for all intents a separate entity thus
they charge BTRetail for any work, like they would any other telecoms
company.
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Chris Johnson
Yes, I would concur with those sentiments. There have been some
problems over the last few years, but I remain very satisfied with
Plus.net. Their text news service has now been 'outsourced' and works
very well. If you want binaries, then you would have to go to a
pay-for news service provider.
As is usual with usenet, a vociferous few miscontents get far more
notice than the great silent majority.
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David Pitt
Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>In article <4f4e834...@ejclark.fsnet.co.uk>,
> Evan Clark <ev...@ejclark.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <4f4e7f...@invalid.org.uk>,
>> Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> > Plusnet are not necessarily a good example of an efficient ISP,
>> > many usenet postings seem to indicate they are "not as good as
>> > others".
>
>> I've been with them for almost four years, with few problems.
>
>> One major advantage is that you can discuss issues directly with
>> some of the technical support guys on their forums (or usenet if
>> you prefer).
>
>Yes, I would concur with those sentiments. There have been some
>problems over the last few years, but I remain very satisfied with
>Plus.net. Their text news service has now been 'outsourced' and works
>very well. If you want binaries, then you would have to go to a
>pay-for news service provider.
PlusNet are OK now. They did have a bad patch and what was said at the
time needed to be said. The take over by BT has not been any sort of
disaster and may have helped kick PlusNet back into shape.
I would not have recommended PlusNet some months ago but I would now.
>As is usual with usenet, a vociferous few miscontents get far more
>notice than the great silent majority.
Can't argue with that, being silent is a good way not to get noticed.
We only have one significant vociferous miscontent in my view.
Dismissing the views of others is one's choice.
The thing about all support mailing lists and usenet is that they are
resorted to when there is a problem, we do not so often post the
everyday good news, it is easy then to get a certain negative feeling
from any list.
With any sort of service provider it is not until there is a problem and
the call centre is invoked that one finds out just how good, or
otherwise, the service really is.
If something is bad, in my view, then I am up for saying so. If
something is bad I want to know about it, preferably before any wallet
action. I have found the views of others on our lists to be of value.
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Paul Vigay
Evan Clark <ev...@ejclark.fsnet.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
> One major advantage is that you can discuss issues directly with some of
> the technical support guys on their forums (or usenet if you prefer).
Orpheus Internet provide that too. Indeed, you can discuss issues directly
with the managing director if you want! :-)
And they offer full RISC OS support! :-)
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Tim Hill
That's good. I can phone mine.
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druck
> In article <4f4e79a88...@onetel.net.uk.invalid>, Barry Allen
> (news) <evan...@onetel.net.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <4f4e64...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
>> <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Because TT are rubbish? You get what you pay for, then they pull the
>>> rug away.
>> I think that I would rather use a free news service than the ones some
>> ISPs provide. Plusnet's news service was so poor that I went with the
>> 10 euro a year 'news.individual.net'
What problems did you experience?
> Plusnet are not necessarily a good example of an efficient ISP, many
> usenet postings seem to indicate they are "not as good as others".
They've had a number of very embarrassing problems over the last year,
such as losing a days worth of email and having the webmail address
list stolen by spammers. But despite this, there are very few problems
with connectivity or core sevices, they are cheap, and the honest,
fully disclosing the above incidents when many ISPs would have kept
quiet.
Their (textual) news service was one thing I never had any problems
with, and I was quite worried when they announced an outsouring
arrangement with supernews. But after the changeover (which involved)
adjusting message IDs in newshound, I'm pleased to say its performed
transparently and flawless.
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David Pitt
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>On 9 Dec 2007 Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <4f4e79a88...@onetel.net.uk.invalid>, Barry Allen
>> (news) <evan...@onetel.net.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <4f4e64...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
>>> <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> Because TT are rubbish? You get what you pay for, then they pull the
>>>> rug away.
>
>>> I think that I would rather use a free news service than the ones some
>>> ISPs provide. Plusnet's news service was so poor that I went with the
>>> 10 euro a year 'news.individual.net'
>
>What problems did you experience?
There was a rash of difficulties with PlusNet's own news servers, as
always I forget the details but it was something like the four servers
would be out of step with each other. The volume of binary usenet was
another issue.
In the end PlusNet was down to just one text only server which was fine
but had no built in safety.
PlusNet could have purchased better kit and had another go at building
their own news servers but instead they outsourced it.
>Their (textual) news service was one thing I never had any problems
>with, and I was quite worried when they announced an outsouring
>arrangement with supernews. But after the changeover (which involved)
>adjusting message IDs in newshound, I'm pleased to say its performed
>transparently and flawless.
Seconded.
I have had things to say about PlusNet in the past. PlusNet have
responded to customer criticisms and it is now time to talk PlusNet up.
I can recommend PlusNet.
Pro-active PlusNet are currently trailing an additional anti-spam
system, postini, which looks hopeful. The existing system is pretty good
but PlusNet seek to improve on it.
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Chris Evans
> In article <4f4e64...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
> <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > rug away.
>
> ISPs provide. Plusnet's news service was so poor that I went with the
> 10 euro a year 'news.individual.net'
There is one downside with them in that they don't accept postings to
moderated newsgroups by moderators! e.g. c.s.a.announce
Chris Evans
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druck
> I have had things to say about PlusNet in the past. PlusNet have
> responded to customer criticisms and it is now time to talk PlusNet up.
> I can recommend PlusNet.
Happily I can again too.
> Pro-active PlusNet are currently trailing an additional anti-spam
> system, postini, which looks hopeful. The existing system is pretty good
> but PlusNet seek to improve on it.
The existing one has cut the volume considerably, particularly welcome
is the recent addition of the ability to have the spam left in a
separate mailbox on the ISPs server. This means I don't have to
download it when away from home via expensive GPRS connections, or
skip through pages of it on the web mail server when in an internet
cafe. Now it remains in its own folder on the web mail server, so I
can peridocally review and delete it - which works perfectly from
NetSurf these days.