Downloading and editing digital photographs.
Michael Bell
pictures on its monitor screen. I want to use the photos to illustrate
points in a document but unfortunately it downloads in RAW format and
the Olympus Master 2 software that goes with it is completely
useless on my Dell PC.
But before I started this project I heard that there was RISC program
which could do this kind of work. What is it? And would it work on my
old RISC PC 600 which hasn't got a USB port?
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Richard Torrens
> pictures on its monitor screen. I want to use the photos to illustrate
> points in a document but unfortunately it downloads in RAW format and
> the Olympus Master 2 software that goes with it is completely
> useless on my Dell PC.
Surely you cann switch on the camera between RAW and jpeg file formats.
> But before I started this project I heard that there was RISC program
> which could do this kind of work. What is it? And would it work on my
> old RISC PC 600 which hasn't got a USB port?
Spacetech did a program to download from C2020Z. However taking the card
out and using a card reader is more versatile - apart from speed, the
Spacetetech program removes the Exif info!
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Dave Symes
Richard Torrens <News+...@Torrens.org.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
> Spacetech did a program to download from C2020Z. However taking the card
> out and using a card reader is more versatile - apart from speed, the
> Spacetetech program removes the Exif info!
How disgusting, sue them for ruining your files.
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The program is at least 10 years old, before the majority of RISC OS
programs could handle EXIF info, so it stipped it to prevent crashes.
And removing it hardly ruins your files, more fuss over nothing.
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Dave Symes
> > In article <4fc2713c4c...@Torrens.org.uk>,
> > Richard Torrens <News+...@Torrens.org.uk> wrote:
> > [Snippy]
> >> Spacetech did a program to download from C2020Z. However taking the
> >> card out and using a card reader is more versatile - apart from
> >> speed, the Spacetetech program removes the Exif info!
> > How disgusting, sue them for ruining your files.
> The program is at least 10 years old, before the majority of RISC OS
> programs could handle EXIF info, so it stipped it to prevent crashes.
> And removing it hardly ruins your files, more fuss over nothing.
> ---druck
Depends, if you are just a snapper 'wiv' your Digi Instamatic, you
wouldn't know an Exif if it bit you on the Bum.
However, for the slightly more serious photographer who uses the Exif
data, rather than carry a paper notebook as we used to in the pre-digital
camera days, it is very much a fuss about something important.
Dave S
Film type and speed.
Cat in Fred's garden. 22/6/1969. 11:45 AM. Camera nnnnn. ZFL 150mm. 250/5.6
I don't want to go back to that.
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Vigay <invalid-em...@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> How on earth does the camera know you're photographing a cat in Fred's
> garden??? And if you're using one of those cameras which allows you to
> edit the EXIF data, data entry is *far* more tedious than noting in a
> notebook.
The 'Autographic' camera allowed you to write directly onto the film!
Couldn't do time & GPS, though!
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Paul Vigay <invalid-em...@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
> [Snippety snip]
> > Film type and speed. Cat in Fred's garden. 22/6/1969. 11:45 AM. Camera
> > nnnnn. ZFL 150mm. 250/5.6
> How on earth does the camera know you're photographing a cat in Fred's
> garden??? And if you're using one of those cameras which allows you to
> edit the EXIF data, data entry is *far* more tedious than noting in a
> notebook.
> Paul
You silly, silly boy!
It was to illustrate what went into the notebook back in the silver days,
and why I don't want to return to that.
Absolutely nothing to do with digital.
The cameras (2) I carried back then were of the silver film type.
These days, I'm too old, too tired and far too grumpy to carry anything
other than a compact digital... That's where the Exif data comes from.
It's written to the image file by the Digital camera.
So, in this, the age of the digital camera, if toss-pots are still
extolling the virtues of apps that destroy the Exif data, they need
attention from a shrink.
Dave S
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Ste (news)
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> So, in this, the age of the digital camera, if toss-pots are still
> extolling the virtues of apps that destroy the Exif data, they need
> attention from a shrink.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight. I think the shrinks are probably far too busy dealing with
the good people who write stuff such as the above. :)
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[snip]
> Actually, I'm surprised manufacturers haven't designed a digital
> camera with a little voice recorder in it (after all, most phones have
> them), then you could record a few vocal notes when you take a picture
> if you want.
You can do that, already. My four year old Casio xe-z55, which is not a
very high spec camera, allows an audio note to be attached to any image.
Tony
Dave Symes
Ste (news) <st...@revi11.plus.com> wrote:
> In article <4fc2fd4...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > So, in this, the age of the digital camera, if toss-pots are still
> > extolling the virtues of apps that destroy the Exif data, they need
> > attention from a shrink.
> Riiiiiiiiiiiight. I think the shrinks are probably far too busy dealing
> with the good people who write stuff such as the above. :)
> Steve
You are so right Steve, I must adjust my medication tomorrow. I've been
cutting down a bit, but a point is reached where the abyss beckons, and I
guess I'm there. Grrrrrr!
Mind you Duckies comment about Exif loss. "...And removing it hardly ruins
your files, more fuss over nothing." Really is a FWit comment of the
first order.
Bye bye until tomorrow Boys and Girls.
Dave S
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> Although I don't tend to use the EXIF data myself, I would like it
> restored/kept if I modify an image. It's one niggly feature that
> Photodesk has, in that it destroys the EXIF data if you re-save JPEGs.
I always keep the originals - each of them on at least four hard disks -
and use manipulation programs only on copies. This means that I can always
go back to the EXIF data if I need it.
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Ste (news)
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Mind you Duckies comment about Exif loss. "...And removing it hardly ruins
> your files, more fuss over nothing." Really is a FWit comment of the
> first order.
Well, in general you may not want that but there are lots of situations
where you might. If I'm publishing my photos on a web site for example, I
might want to scale them down and reduce quality. I don't care that Exif
gets lost - that just makes the files a bit smaller! Likewise for thumbnails.
Also, there is increasingly private info in the Exif data such as the exact
date and time of the photo and even your GPS co-ordinates when it was taken
could be in there, which says "I was in this location at this date/time"
which you may or may not want other people to be able to deduce.
Ste (news)
druck
> Mind you Duckies comment about Exif loss. "...And removing it hardly ruins
> your files, more fuss over nothing." Really is a FWit comment of the
> first order.
If you can't keep a civil tongue in your head, refrain from posting.
There are practically no RISC OS image editing applications which
preserve EXIF data, so if you want to declare your images useless
without it, stop using RISC OS and go elsewhere, and take your
sniping and pathetic insults with you.
druck
> So, in this, the age of the digital camera, if toss-pots are still
> extolling the virtues of apps that destroy the Exif data, they need
> attention from a shrink.
I'm getting pretty sick of your attitude. I've seen nothing but
whining and insults from you in recent posts. I suggest taking a
long break from here, or by god will you feel the wrath.
Dave Symes
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
[Snip]
> If you can't keep a civil tongue in your head, refrain from posting.
No!
> There are practically no RISC OS image editing applications which
> preserve EXIF data, so if you want to declare your images useless
> without it, stop using RISC OS and go elsewhere, and take your
> sniping and pathetic insults with you.
> ---druck
No!
Dave S
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Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>
> You silly, silly boy!
> It was to illustrate what went into the notebook back in the silver days,
> and why I don't want to return to that.
> Absolutely nothing to do with digital.
> The cameras (2) I carried back then were of the silver film type.
Did you ever consult all this information? I've taken tens of thousands of
photographs and have never once written anything down except in the case
of astronomical photographs were I jotted down how many minutes the
exposure lasted.
In the darkroom it was a different matter. I would write down filtration
values for colour photographs so that I wouldn't have do waste all that
time again.
I don't think I've ever looked at EXIF data for photographic reasons - just
idle curiosity and amazement at the amount of stuff they contain.
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Chris Evans
It only proves your camera was there.
Though they could add fingerprint security to the camera...
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Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4fc3174...@revi11.plus.com>, Ste (news)
> <URL:mailto:st...@revi11.plus.com> wrote:
> > In article <4fc30cf...@triffid.co.uk>,
> > Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Mind you Duckies comment about Exif loss. "...And removing it hardly
> > > ruins your files, more fuss over nothing." Really is a FWit comment
> > > of the first order.
> >
> > Well, in general you may not want that but there are lots of
> > situations where you might. If I'm publishing my photos on a web site
> > for example, I might want to scale them down and reduce quality. I
> > don't care that Exif gets lost - that just makes the files a bit
> > smaller! Likewise for thumbnails.
> >
> > Also, there is increasingly private info in the Exif data such as the
> > exact date and time of the photo and even your GPS co-ordinates when
> > it was taken could be in there, which says "I was in this location at
> > this date/time" which you may or may not want other people to be able
> > to deduce.
> It only proves your camera was there.
It doesn't even do that as Exif data can be edited.
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Ste (news)
You're both missing the point; it's not a case of "proof" - it's about
exposing information which is potentially of value to someone else. Here's
an example of a fraud which can be initiated from this type of information:
You take a photo of your other half standing by the hire car when you are on
holiday in Cyprus. This photo includes a datestamp saying it was 12th August
2007.
You upload your photo on your .me.uk web site where anyone can view it.
A fraudster in the UK sees the photo and extracts the datestamp.
The fraudster can make a reasonable guess that you were on holiday around
that time and they even have the make, model, colour and reg number of the
hire car.
A month later, you get a debt collector turn up at your door (because your
web site's WhoIs information includes your name and address) claiming that
you have an outstanding speeding fine in Cyprus and they have all the
paperwork which looks genuine, including a faked-up photo from a speed
camera.
They pressure you on the door step by saying that if you pay now, you won't
have to travel to appear in court in Cyprus - where you'd be liable for
court costs if you lose your appeal.
Etc, etc.
The whole job of finding holiday snaps and getting the personal information
from the owners can be largely automated (I'll leave that to your
imagination - with GPS co-ordinates in the Exif data, it's somewhat simpler).
The fraudster can then quickly look through their photo collection for a few
hours and pick likely targets and either target them directly or sell the
information to someone else who will.
This might sound unlikely, but there are people who will spend all day doing
stuff like this because people fall for it and so its profitable. And there
are a million possible variations on this scam.
The more information you expose, the more people like the above will find it
and use that information in ways that you never even considered in order to
scam you. The problem is, most people don't have a clue what is embedded in
their photo - they just think it's the photo that you see.
VinceH
Ste (news) <st...@revi11.plus.com> wrote:
[...]
> The more information you expose, the more people like the above
> will find it and use that information in ways that you never even
> considered in order to scam you. The problem is, most people don't
> have a clue what is embedded in their photo - they just think it's
> the photo that you see.
However, none of that is a case for software that routinely removes
the EXIF data, which is the route that got us here - it's a case for
removing that data when publishing the photographs in digital form.
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Ste (news)
Quite correct. However, I was making a case that "extolling the virtues
of apps that destroy the Exif data" can have its merits - ultimately it is
up to the user to make that decision and not an automatic reason for
requiring "attention from a shrink"!
News poster
jl <j...@spamnet.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>
> I don't think I've ever looked at EXIF data for photographic reasons - just
> idle curiosity and amazement at the amount of stuff they contain.
It is however sometimes useful when writing a travelogue.
I use the information to work out where the photo was probably taken (we
averaged 19km/h that day so this photo must have been taken around point
X). Take a picture of the view with your bike computer visible
giving time and distance and location. Also a good way to remember when
you left the campsite in the morning and when you got in at night.
But not really for photographic reasons.
Cheers
Stan
Mike Clark
News poster <mistym...@casema.nl> wrote:
Or simply have a GPS record a tracklog and have your camera synchronised
to the same time. It's then only a matter of cross-referencing the
EXIF time data to the relevant tracklog co-ordinates. There's even
software available to automate the process and then tag the images for
display on Google Earth. Some professional cameras even have a GPS built
in for this purpose.
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Chris Evans
It almost sounds like you need the information for an alibi ;-)
Tim Hill
Unless you want to do something like add them to Panoramio and hence
Google Earth.
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