When is Netsurf 3 coming out?

[Felicity S.]

Hi, a friend says that Netsurf 3 is coming out, but the website
says it's still at 2.9 - so when is the new version due?


Fliss

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[charles]

In article <fIxm7.2485$lk6.8...@rdsqurrl.com>,

Felicity S. <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:

> Hi, a friend says that Netsurf 3 is coming out, but the website
> says it's still at 2.9 - so when is the new version due?

I collected a copy of 3.0 at Wakefield on Saturday ;-)

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[Theo Markettos]

Felicity S. <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:
> Hi, a friend says that Netsurf 3 is coming out, but the website
> says it's still at 2.9 - so when is the new version due?

The NetSurf guys released (ie finished writing the code for) 3.0 in the
middle of the show. They said it would take a day or so for the website etc
to be updated, so it shouldn't be long.

Theo

[RL MacGregor]

In message <3Fw*Rj...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>

Now that is what I call up to date! Can't wait to download a copy.
I've been a fan since the early days of the project and bought an
official CD copy of the first release the last time I went to the
Wakefield show. I also had the pleasure that day of meeting the late
Paul Vigay.

Becky.


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[Steve Fryatt]

On 22 Apr, RL MacGregor wrote in message
<9a4c534053.m...@motherglasgow.googlemail.com>:

> In message <3Fw*Rj...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
> Theo Markettos <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > The NetSurf guys released (ie finished writing the code for) 3.0 in the
> > middle of the show. They said it would take a day or so for the website
> > etc to be updated, so it shouldn't be long.
>

> Now that is what I call up to date!

I understand that there might have been a bit of confusion as to whether or
not the show was this weekend coming up...

http://www.wrocc.org.uk/show/2013/photo.php?pic=2

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[Felicity S.]

RL MacGregor wrote:

> Theo Markettos wrote:

>> Felicity S. wrote:

>>> Hi, a friend says that Netsurf 3 is coming out, but the website
>>> says it's still at 2.9 - so when is the new version due?

>> The NetSurf guys released (ie finished writing the code for) 3.0 in the
>> middle of the show. They said it would take a day or so for the website
>> etc to be updated, so it shouldn't be long.

> Now that is what I call up to date! Can't wait to download a copy.

Version 3.0 is now up, but when I tried to download it using Netsurf 2.9
the process suddenly stopped and gave me the error message....

transfer closed with 464683 bytes remaining to read

..so I downloaded it using Fresco, which saved it to disc as...

netsurf-3/0-src/tar/gz

..and when I dropped that onto SparkFS it saved it to disc as...

netsurf-3/0-src/tar

..which is a 11 Mb data file. Any (useful) suggestions?



Fliss

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[Tony Moore]

On 23 Apr 2013, "Felicity S." <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:

[snip]

> Version 3.0 is now up, but when I tried to download it using Netsurf
> 2.9 the process suddenly stopped and gave me the error message....
>
> transfer closed with 464683 bytes remaining to read
>
> ..so I downloaded it using Fresco, which saved it to disc as...
>
> netsurf-3/0-src/tar/gz

Do you want the source code?

NetSurf 3.0, ready-built, is at
http://download.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf/releases/pre-built/riscos/netsurf-3.0.zip
which downloads, using earlier versions of NetSurf, without problem.

Tony

[Felicity S.]

Tony Moore wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

>> Version 3.0 is now up, but when I tried to download it using Netsurf
>> 2.9 the process suddenly stopped and gave me the error message....

>> transfer closed with 464683 bytes remaining to read

>> ..so I downloaded it using Fresco, which saved it to disc as...

>> netsurf-3/0-src/tar/gz

> Do you want the source code?

No, just a working browser that's ready for general release.

> NetSurf 3.0, ready-built, is at

http://download.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf/releases/pre-built/riscos/netsurf-3.0.zip

> which downloads, using earlier versions of NetSurf, without problem.

Thanks Tony. I tried that with NetSurf, but it stopped with the error message....

transfer closed with 312683 bytes remaining to read


I tried again with Fresco, and then it downloaded without any problems.

However, clicking on (just this) zip file produces the error message...


Error when reading

Unidentified header type found


It's 3002412 bytes long, while the tar/gz file is 2950260 bytes long.



Fliss

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[Andrew Wickham]

On 24 Apr, 20:24, "Felicity S." <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:

> It's 3002412 bytes long
Which is the right length, based on a successful download/install
yesterday evening.

Sounds like something is getting corrupted in your download. Keep
trying!

> while the tar/gz file is 2950260 bytes long.

that's the sources, which you can ignore

Andrew

[Tony Moore]

On 24 Apr 2013, "Felicity S." <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:
> Tony Moore wrote:

[snip]

> > NetSurf 3.0, ready-built, is at
>
> http://download.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf/releases/pre-built/riscos/netsurf-3.0.zip
>
> > which downloads, using earlier versions of NetSurf, without problem.
>
> Thanks Tony. I tried that with NetSurf, but it stopped with the error
> message....
>
> transfer closed with 312683 bytes remaining to read
>
> I tried again with Fresco, and then it downloaded without any problems.
> However, clicking on (just this) zip file produces the error message...
>
> Error when reading
> Unidentified header type found
>
> It's 3002412 bytes long

Which, as Andrew says, is the correct length. I wonder if somehow your
current download has become mixed up with the previous partial download.

I've put a copy, with a different name, at
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77062274/netsurf3.zip which should avoid any
previous download.

Tony

[Felicity S.]

Andrew Wickham wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

>> I tried again with Fresco, and then it downloaded without any problems.

>> However, clicking on (just this) zip file produces the error message...

>> Error when reading
>> Unidentified header type found

> Sounds like something is getting corrupted in your download. Keep
> trying!

I *have* been trying Andrew, but why should this be?


Downloads of Netsurf from Netsurf using Netsurf do not complete.

Downloads of Netsurf from Netsurf using Fresco are perhaps corrupted.


A download of Netsurf from Tony Moore using Netsurf did not complete.

A download of Netsurf from Tony using Fresco did complete (uncorrupted).


Other downloads using Netsurf do complete (uncorrupted).

Other downloads using Fresco do complete (uncorrupted).


Fliss

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[Felicity S.]

Tony Moore wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

> [snip]

>>> NetSurf 3.0, ready-built, is at

http://download.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf/releases/pre-built/riscos/netsurf-3.0.zip

>>> which downloads, using earlier versions of NetSurf, without problem.

>> Thanks Tony. I tried that with NetSurf, but it stopped with the error
>> message....

>> transfer closed with 312683 bytes remaining to read

>> I tried again with Fresco, and then it downloaded without any problems.
>> However, clicking on (just this) zip file produces the error message...

>> Error when reading
>> Unidentified header type found

>> It's 3002412 bytes long

> Which, as Andrew says, is the correct length. I wonder if somehow your
> current download has become mixed up with the previous partial download.

At the risk of getting into semantics here, there's not been a on-going
partial download with which anything else could've been mixed. When trying
to download Netsurf 3.0 from the Netsurf website using Netsurf 2.9 the
download *terminated*, and so didn't result in the whole file.

> I've put a copy, with a different name, at
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77062274/netsurf3.zip which should avoid any
> previous download.

Thanks Tony, that downloaded/unzipped/installed without any problems. :)

I've now been trying out Netsurf 3.0 which at first seems to be working
well, and I've noticed a few welcome bug fixes.

However, a couple of problems...

Netsurf 3.0 lost/ignored/deleted all my userids/passwords for entering
various forums, forcing me log into each one of them again. This is a
huge pain since it means finding out what each userid/password is, and
then jumping through varied hoops to get back into the forums again.

I didn't have to do that with previous Netsurf upgrades. Now that's not
too much agony if it'd been the end of it, except for this problem...


Netsurf 3.0 is unable to log me back into my IMDb account. I can enter
my userid/password, but clicking the "Login!" button results in...

Warning from Netsurf

Recv failure: Connection reset by peer (0x36
Connection reset by peer)


After a reset I tried logging in with Netsurf 2.9 which works perfectly,
so I'll be sticking with that version until Netsurf 3.1 at least. :(


Fliss

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[Tony Moore]

On 26 Apr 2013, "Felicity S." <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:
> Tony Moore wrote:

[snip]

> > I've put a copy, with a different name, at

[snip]

> Thanks Tony, that downloaded/unzipped/installed without any problems.
> :)

Great.

[snip]

> Netsurf 3.0 lost/ignored/deleted all my userids/passwords for entering
> various forums

I didn't know that NetSurf could save userids/passwords. How is it done?

> Netsurf 3.0 is unable to log me back into my IMDb account. I can enter
> my userid/password, but clicking the "Login!" button results in...
>
> Warning from Netsurf
>
> Recv failure: Connection reset by peer (0x36
> Connection reset by peer)

Is the error repeatable? Here, NetSurf 3 logs-in to IMDB, no problem.

Tony

[Felicity S.]

Tony Moore wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

>> Tony Moore wrote:

>> Netsurf 3.0 lost/ignored/deleted all my userids/passwords for entering
>> various forums

> I didn't know that NetSurf could save userids/passwords. How is it done?

If you don't know, then it doesn't. Thinking about this, I can imagine
some other possibilities, like a marker which bestows free access.

>> Netsurf 3.0 is unable to log me back into my IMDb account. I can enter
>> my userid/password, but clicking the "Login!" button results in...

>> Warning from Netsurf

>> Recv failure: Connection reset by peer (0x36
>> Connection reset by peer)

> Is the error repeatable? Here, NetSurf 3 logs-in to IMDB, no problem.

I tried a few times with Netsurf 3.0 before going back to Netsurf 2.9
which works just fine. Note that I'm not just talking about logging into
the IMDb, but into my IMDb account which allows me to modify the IMDb.


Fliss

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for her. What's that girl's name again? He said: Regina Tucker.
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[Harriet Bazley]

On 27 Apr 2013 as I do recall,

Felicity S. wrote:

> Tony Moore wrote:
>

> > Felicity S. wrote:
>
> >> Netsurf 3.0 lost/ignored/deleted all my userids/passwords for entering
> >> various forums
>
> > I didn't know that NetSurf could save userids/passwords. How is it done?
>
> If you don't know, then it doesn't. Thinking about this, I can imagine
> some other possibilities, like a marker which bestows free access.
>

Web forums usually use stored cookies.

I'm surprised that the new version of NetSurf didn't silently adopt the
existing cookies file, though.

--
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He who hesitates is sometimes saved.

[Theo Markettos]

Felicity S. <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:
> I *have* been trying Andrew, but why should this be?

What machine/OS are you using? What network card?

Theo

[Tony Moore]

On 27 Apr 2013, Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27 Apr 2013 as I do recall, Felicity S. wrote:
> > Tony Moore wrote:
> > > Felicity S. wrote:
> >
> > > > Netsurf 3.0 lost/ignored/deleted all my userids/passwords for
> > > > entering various forums
> >
> > > I didn't know that NetSurf could save userids/passwords. How is it
> > > done?
> >
> > If you don't know, then it doesn't. Thinking about this, I can imagine
> > some other possibilities, like a marker which bestows free access.
>
> Web forums usually use stored cookies.
>
> I'm surprised that the new version of NetSurf didn't silently adopt the
> existing cookies file, though.

I can't say anything about that, because my machine deletes all cookies
during its boot sequence, so that NetSurf starts with a clean slate.

I had thought that Felicity was referring to a feature, such as Firefox
has, which offers to remember log-in details.

Tony

[Tony Moore]

On 27 Apr 2013, "Felicity S." <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:
> Tony Moore wrote:
> > Felicity S. wrote:

[snip]

> > > Netsurf 3.0 is unable to log me back into my IMDb account.

[snip]

> > Is the error repeatable? Here, NetSurf 3 logs-in to IMDB, no problem.
>
> I tried a few times with Netsurf 3.0 before going back to Netsurf 2.9
> which works just fine. Note that I'm not just talking about logging into
> the IMDb, but into my IMDb account which allows me to modify the IMDb.

I have IMDb open and, in the header, it says 'Tony Moore's Account'. I
have just rated a film, and received confirmation from IMDb that 'Your
vote of 7 was counted.' On the Review and Ratings page, 'Add another
review' leads to the expected 'Enter Review for ...' (which I didn't
submit). NetSurf 3.0 seems to work, but maybe I've missed something.

Tony

[Alex Singleton]

On Monday, April 22, 2013 7:33:02 AM UTC+1, charles wrote:
> I collected a copy of 3.0 at Wakefield on Saturday ;-)

What's Netsurf 3 for RISC OS like? How does it compare with Chrome on a Mac or PC?

Alex

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[Martin Bazley]

The following bytes were arranged on 7 May 2013 by Alex Singleton :

> On Monday, April 22, 2013 7:33:02 AM UTC+1, charles wrote:
> > I collected a copy of 3.0 at Wakefield on Saturday ;-)
>
> What's Netsurf 3 for RISC OS like? How does it compare with Chrome on
> a Mac or PC?

It doesn't. Don't even think of using it as a wholesale replacement.
Web browsing on RISC OS really isn't there yet.

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <e2b50b48...@blueyonder.co.uk>,

Martin Bazley <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > What's Netsurf 3 for RISC OS like? How does it compare with Chrome on
> > a Mac or PC?

> It doesn't. Don't even think of using it as a wholesale replacement.
> Web browsing on RISC OS really isn't there yet.

And I think it's fair to say never will be. In the '90s it got close with
JavaScript, Java and Flash - although never 'perfect'. Been downhill since.

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[Stuart]

In article <04d95a44-78b1-424d...@googlegroups.com>,

Alex Singleton <use...@alexsingleton.com> wrote:

> What's Netsurf 3 for RISC OS like? How does it compare with Chrome on a
> Mac or PC?

Obviously still "a work in progress" but getting better daily.

No "plugins" for the likes of flash and so on but, personally, I have
never felt such things to be important.

--
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Midlands RISC OS and Raspberry pi show, 13th July 2013

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[John Rickman Iyonix]

Alex Singleton wrote

> On Monday, April 22, 2013 7:33:02 AM UTC+1, charles wrote:
>> I collected a copy of 3.0 at Wakefield on Saturday ;-)

> What's Netsurf 3 for RISC OS like? How does it compare with Chrome on
> a Mac or PC?

It depends what you want to look at. It now renders most web pages
that I look at as well as either. But it does not allow interaction
with JavaScript functions as there is no support yet for most events.
Eg on select.

The JavaScript support works well apart from this but you have to turn
it off for some sites eg Facebook.

I rarely use anything else now but it is hard work!

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[Tim Hill]

In article <5348156...@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)

<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <e2b50b48...@blueyonder.co.uk>, Martin Bazley
> <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > > What's Netsurf 3 for RISC OS like? How does it compare with Chrome
> > > on a Mac or PC?

> > It doesn't. Don't even think of using it as a wholesale replacement.
> > Web browsing on RISC OS really isn't there yet.

> And I think it's fair to say never will be. In the '90s it got close
> with JavaScript, Java and Flash - although never 'perfect'. Been
> downhill since.

Downhill? Not so sure. Go back to Fresco and Oregano and see how you get
on with all the CSS that's out there.

Some Javascript support exists in development versions but no, JAVA seems
unlikely anytime soon. That could be a good thing though because it is
another of those things (like Adobe stuff) which on my PC requires
frequent updates, won't uninstall completely and basically wastes an hour
of my time in trying to get the F1 Live Timing app working. (It does now
- hurrah!) Such a thing would be very slow on RISC OS I suspect.

Have you noticed how Flash is being dumped by Apple and even NASA have
stopped using proprietary formats? Um, except Flash for a while. Video
support in HTML5 will be interesting on older hardware but once
implemented in Netsurf (he said, hopefully) I am sure I am not alone in
expecting this will take advantage of the hardware features of the Pi and
Iyonix graphics cards(?).

That RISC OS and Netsurf does not provide a rich multi-media experience
at the moment is not always a bad thing. There may be some ('badly
written') sites which don't work at all well
(http://www.independent.co.uk/) but others only lack their Flash
advertising and video (http://www.guardian.co.uk/).

And for YouTube there is always Murnong.

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In article <534a30...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill

<t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> JAVA seems unlikely anytime soon. That could be a good
> thing though because it is another of those things (like
> Adobe stuff) which on my PC requires frequent updates,

> won't uninstall completely...

Delightd to see that it is not just here that it does not
uninstall properly!

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[Felicity S.]

Tim Hill wrote:

> it is another of those things (like Adobe stuff) which on my PC
> requires frequent updates

According to this weekend's Click, there will be no more updates of
any Adobe stuff; thou shalt subscribe to its cloud-based service.


Fliss

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You made her look beautiful.
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[spampling]

In article <fIxm7.2485$lk6.8...@rdsqurrl.com>,
Felicity S. <Fl...@rdsqurrl.com> wrote:

> Tim Hill wrote:

> > it is another of those things (like Adobe stuff) which on my PC
> > requires frequent updates

> According to this weekend's Click, there will be no more updates of
> any Adobe stuff; thou shalt subscribe to its cloud-based service.

Foxit reader - it's faster than adobe reader anyway...

I'm sure there are alternatives for most if not all their products

--

Steve Pampling

[Tim Hill]

In article <534b54e58d...@btinternet.com>, spampling

Sometimes that choice is not in our hands and the sooner the BBC ditch
Air, the better. A recent update broke iPlayer desktop again on win7-64
here. :-(

http://timothyjrhill.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/adobe-air-vs-bbc.html