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Tennant Stuart
Nov 18, 2011, 1:02:00 PM11/18/11
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Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file,
it turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I
then click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
Tennant Stuart
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____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____
(_ _)( ___)( \( )( \( ) /__\ ( \( )(_ _) Greetings to family
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with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file,
it turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I
then click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
Tennant Stuart
--
____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____
(_ _)( ___)( \( )( \( ) /__\ ( \( )(_ _) Greetings to family
)( )__) ) ( ) ( /(__)\ ) ( )( friends & neighbours
(__) (____)(_)\_)(_)\_)(__)(__)(_)\_) (__) @orpheus.co.uk & MCR
Tony Moore
Nov 18, 2011, 2:55:06 PM11/18/11
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On 18 Nov 2011, Tennant Stuart <ten...@orpheus.co.uk> wrote:
> Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
> with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file,
> it turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I
> then click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
>
> Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
To turn off auto-complete, unset Choices > Interface > 'Display recently
> Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
> with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file,
> it turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I
> then click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
>
> Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
visited URLs as you type', but that should not affect saving the page.
To save the URL, shift-drag it from the URL bar into a filer window, or
open text window. To save the HTML, page menu > Page > Save ...
The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the right
of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
Tony
Steve Fryatt
Nov 19, 2011, 5:26:47 AM11/19/11
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On 18 Nov, Tony Moore wrote in message
<6754393452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>:
> The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the right
> of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
That menu is limited to 16 entries on all recent versions of NetSurf (and at
a guess for some time before that, as the number 16 probably came from
somewhere when I wrote the current code).
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
<6754393452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>:
> The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the right
> of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
a guess for some time before that, as the number 16 probably came from
somewhere when I wrote the current code).
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Steve Fryatt
Nov 19, 2011, 5:29:18 AM11/19/11
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On 18 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
<na.db33e65234...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
> Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
> with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file, it
> turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I then
> click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
>
> Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
This doesn't make any sense, and trying a few of the more obvious actions
that you might have been following doesn't reproduce the problem using a
current build running on RISC OS 5.
Could you give a step-by-step bug report, starting from loading NetSurf,
detailing exactly what you click on and/or type where?
<na.db33e65234...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
> Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
> with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file, it
> turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I then
> click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
>
> Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
that you might have been following doesn't reproduce the problem using a
current build running on RISC OS 5.
Could you give a step-by-step bug report, starting from loading NetSurf,
detailing exactly what you click on and/or type where?
Tennant Stuart
Nov 20, 2011, 1:02:00 PM11/20/11
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In article <6754393452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
> To save the URL, shift-drag it from the URL bar into a filer window, or
> open text window. To save the HTML, page menu > Page > Save ...
I'm just saving the HTML by pressing the F3 key.
> The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the right
> of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
I know what you mean, but that's not what I'm referring to. The menu button
merely produces a small HTML-type history display. I'm not clicking on that
button at all. It's the URL bar which expands into a proper window complete
with scrollbars containing URLs from every link in the downloaded page.
Tennant
Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18 Nov 2011, Tennant Stuart <ten...@orpheus.co.uk> wrote:
>> Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
>> with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file,
>> it turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I
>> then click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
>> Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
> To turn off auto-complete, unset Choices > Interface > 'Display recently
> visited URLs as you type', but that should not affect saving the page.
Ah, but it did! Unticking this box made the weirdness go away. Thanks!
> On 18 Nov 2011, Tennant Stuart <ten...@orpheus.co.uk> wrote:
>> Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
>> with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file,
>> it turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I
>> then click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
>> Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
> To turn off auto-complete, unset Choices > Interface > 'Display recently
> visited URLs as you type', but that should not affect saving the page.
> To save the URL, shift-drag it from the URL bar into a filer window, or
> open text window. To save the HTML, page menu > Page > Save ...
> The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the right
> of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
merely produces a small HTML-type history display. I'm not clicking on that
button at all. It's the URL bar which expands into a proper window complete
with scrollbars containing URLs from every link in the downloaded page.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
Nov 20, 2011, 1:03:00 PM11/20/11
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In article <mpro.luwl0k00...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Tennant
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 18 Nov, Tony Moore wrote in message
> <6754393452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>:
>> The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the right
>> of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
> That menu is limited to 16 entries on all recent versions of NetSurf
> (and at a guess for some time before that, as the number 16 probably
> came from somewhere when I wrote the current code).
Yeah, but that's not what I'm referring to, Steve. See next post. :)
> On 18 Nov, Tony Moore wrote in message
> <6754393452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>:
>> The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the right
>> of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
> That menu is limited to 16 entries on all recent versions of NetSurf
> (and at a guess for some time before that, as the number 16 probably
> came from somewhere when I wrote the current code).
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
Nov 20, 2011, 1:04:00 PM11/20/11
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In article <mpro.luwl4r00...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
in the Choices > Interface menu, and the weirdness stopped completely.
> Could you give a step-by-step bug report, starting from loading NetSurf,
> detailing exactly what you click on and/or type where?
1. Load up NetSurf, and click CONTINUE (can you make this go away?)
2. Make sure the 'Display Recently Visited URLs' box is ticked.
3. Click on the iconbar icon to display the NetSurf welcome page.
4. Log on to the internet, (note that I'm not using broadband).
5. Adjust-click on any of the sites to download their front page.
6. Move the mouse over this page, but do not click on anything.
7. Press F3, and admire a weird expanded URL bar with scrollbars!
8. Only now click somewhere safe & boring in the downloaded page.
9. The URL bar returns to normal, and now it will stay that way.
Tennant
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 18 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
> <na.db33e65234...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>> Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
>> with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file,
>> it turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I
>> then click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
>> Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
> This doesn't make any sense, and trying a few of the more obvious actions
> that you might have been following doesn't reproduce the problem using a
> current build running on RISC OS 5.
Actually, it did make sense to me as Tony Moore suggested unticking a box
> On 18 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
> <na.db33e65234...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>> Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
>> with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file,
>> it turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I
>> then click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
>> Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
> This doesn't make any sense, and trying a few of the more obvious actions
> that you might have been following doesn't reproduce the problem using a
> current build running on RISC OS 5.
in the Choices > Interface menu, and the weirdness stopped completely.
> Could you give a step-by-step bug report, starting from loading NetSurf,
> detailing exactly what you click on and/or type where?
2. Make sure the 'Display Recently Visited URLs' box is ticked.
3. Click on the iconbar icon to display the NetSurf welcome page.
4. Log on to the internet, (note that I'm not using broadband).
5. Adjust-click on any of the sites to download their front page.
6. Move the mouse over this page, but do not click on anything.
7. Press F3, and admire a weird expanded URL bar with scrollbars!
8. Only now click somewhere safe & boring in the downloaded page.
9. The URL bar returns to normal, and now it will stay that way.
Tennant
Chris Hughes
Nov 20, 2011, 1:50:06 PM11/20/11
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In message <na.9b23035235...@orpheusmail.co.uk>
> 2. Make sure the 'Display Recently Visited URLs' box is ticked.
> 3. Click on the iconbar icon to display the NetSurf welcome page.
> 4. Log on to the internet, (note that I'm not using broadband).
> 5. Adjust-click on any of the sites to download their front page.
> 6. Move the mouse over this page, but do not click on anything.
> 7. Press F3, and admire a weird expanded URL bar with scrollbars!
> 8. Only now click somewhere safe & boring in the downloaded page.
> 9. The URL bar returns to normal, and now it will stay that way.
I can repeat this with !NetSurf 2.7, its the adjust clicking on a link
and then hitting F3 that generates the effect
--
Chris Hughes
Tennant Stuart <ten...@orpheus.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <mpro.luwl4r00...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
> Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 18 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
>> <na.db33e65234...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>>> Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
>>> with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file,
>>> it turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I
>>> then click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
>>> Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
>> This doesn't make any sense, and trying a few of the more obvious actions
>> that you might have been following doesn't reproduce the problem using a
>> current build running on RISC OS 5.
> Actually, it did make sense to me as Tony Moore suggested unticking a box
> in the Choices > Interface menu, and the weirdness stopped completely.
>> Could you give a step-by-step bug report, starting from loading NetSurf,
>> detailing exactly what you click on and/or type where?
> 1. Load up NetSurf, and click CONTINUE (can you make this go away?)
No idea what this is?
> In article <mpro.luwl4r00...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
> Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 18 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
>> <na.db33e65234...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>>> Ever since upgrading to NetSurf 2.8 a weird thing has started happening
>>> with the URL bar. The first time I try to save a downloaded HTML file,
>>> it turns into huge drop-down menu listing every link on the page. If I
>>> then click anywhere on the page, this goes away and doesn't reappear.
>>> Is there somewhere an option box I can untick, to stop this weirdness?
>> This doesn't make any sense, and trying a few of the more obvious actions
>> that you might have been following doesn't reproduce the problem using a
>> current build running on RISC OS 5.
> Actually, it did make sense to me as Tony Moore suggested unticking a box
> in the Choices > Interface menu, and the weirdness stopped completely.
>> Could you give a step-by-step bug report, starting from loading NetSurf,
>> detailing exactly what you click on and/or type where?
> 1. Load up NetSurf, and click CONTINUE (can you make this go away?)
> 2. Make sure the 'Display Recently Visited URLs' box is ticked.
> 3. Click on the iconbar icon to display the NetSurf welcome page.
> 4. Log on to the internet, (note that I'm not using broadband).
> 5. Adjust-click on any of the sites to download their front page.
> 6. Move the mouse over this page, but do not click on anything.
> 7. Press F3, and admire a weird expanded URL bar with scrollbars!
> 8. Only now click somewhere safe & boring in the downloaded page.
> 9. The URL bar returns to normal, and now it will stay that way.
and then hitting F3 that generates the effect
--
Chris Hughes
Martin Bazley
Nov 20, 2011, 1:59:21 PM11/20/11
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The following bytes were arranged on 20 Nov 2011 by Tennant Stuart :
> In article <6754393452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the right
> > of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
>
> I know what you mean, but that's not what I'm referring to. The menu button
> merely produces a small HTML-type history display. I'm not clicking on that
> button at all. It's the URL bar which expands into a proper window complete
> with scrollbars containing URLs from every link in the downloaded page.
This is a feature of NetSurf, and clearly one you are unacquainted with.
Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is ticked,
and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs will be
displayed when you type.
Pressing F3 (and, by extension, F8 to view source - something I've often
found annoying) counts as typing. Therefore, the URL bar will - as it
is meant to do - expand into a list of recent URLs. Such lists are
common to all mainstream browsers, and are intended to save typing time.
The only 'bug' here is that the writable icon really shouldn't be
trapping *any* keypresses, just those which would affect it.
You can work around the problem by clicking in the main browser display
to take the focus away from the URL bar before typing.
--
__<^>__
/ _ _ \ I don't have a problem with God; it's his fan club I can't stand.
( ( |_| ) )
\_> <_/ ======================= Martin Bazley ==========================
> In article <6754393452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the right
> > of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
>
> I know what you mean, but that's not what I'm referring to. The menu button
> merely produces a small HTML-type history display. I'm not clicking on that
> button at all. It's the URL bar which expands into a proper window complete
> with scrollbars containing URLs from every link in the downloaded page.
Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is ticked,
and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs will be
displayed when you type.
Pressing F3 (and, by extension, F8 to view source - something I've often
found annoying) counts as typing. Therefore, the URL bar will - as it
is meant to do - expand into a list of recent URLs. Such lists are
common to all mainstream browsers, and are intended to save typing time.
The only 'bug' here is that the writable icon really shouldn't be
trapping *any* keypresses, just those which would affect it.
You can work around the problem by clicking in the main browser display
to take the focus away from the URL bar before typing.
--
__<^>__
/ _ _ \ I don't have a problem with God; it's his fan club I can't stand.
( ( |_| ) )
\_> <_/ ======================= Martin Bazley ==========================
Steve Fryatt
Nov 20, 2011, 1:40:31 PM11/20/11
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On 20 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
<na.9b23035235...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
> In article <mpro.luwl4r00...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
> <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Could you give a step-by-step bug report, starting from loading NetSurf,
> > detailing exactly what you click on and/or type where?
>
> 1. Load up NetSurf, and click CONTINUE (can you make this go away?)
Is NetSurf displaying a message here; if so, what does it say? I don't have
to click Continue when I start the browser, so once again I've no idea what
you're referring to without some more information.
[snip]
> 7. Press F3, and admire a weird expanded URL bar with scrollbars!
Ah! That's the missing bit of info, and I can now reproduce the problem!
Try r13157.
I know it's boring, but detailed bug reports really do help.
> 8. Only now click somewhere safe & boring in the downloaded page.
>
> 9. The URL bar returns to normal, and now it will stay that way.
...until you put the caret back into the URL bar, which turns out to be the
important bit here.
<na.9b23035235...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
> In article <mpro.luwl4r00...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
> <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Could you give a step-by-step bug report, starting from loading NetSurf,
> > detailing exactly what you click on and/or type where?
>
> 1. Load up NetSurf, and click CONTINUE (can you make this go away?)
to click Continue when I start the browser, so once again I've no idea what
you're referring to without some more information.
[snip]
> 7. Press F3, and admire a weird expanded URL bar with scrollbars!
Try r13157.
I know it's boring, but detailed bug reports really do help.
> 8. Only now click somewhere safe & boring in the downloaded page.
>
> 9. The URL bar returns to normal, and now it will stay that way.
important bit here.
Martin Bazley
Nov 20, 2011, 2:03:54 PM11/20/11
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The following bytes were arranged on 20 Nov 2011 by Martin Bazley :
> The only 'bug' here is that the writable icon really shouldn't be
> trapping *any* keypresses, just those which would affect it.
...I take that back - Steve got there before me!
http://source.netsurf-browser.org/?view=revision&revision=13157
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__<^>__ "Did you know that polar bears stay white all year round? ...The
/ _ _ \ white colour makes them less visible to the seals and penguins they
( ( |_| ) ) hunt." - Nelson Thornes AQA-endorsed GCSE science textbook
> The only 'bug' here is that the writable icon really shouldn't be
> trapping *any* keypresses, just those which would affect it.
http://source.netsurf-browser.org/?view=revision&revision=13157
--
__<^>__ "Did you know that polar bears stay white all year round? ...The
/ _ _ \ white colour makes them less visible to the seals and penguins they
( ( |_| ) ) hunt." - Nelson Thornes AQA-endorsed GCSE science textbook
Steve Fryatt
Nov 20, 2011, 2:03:40 PM11/20/11
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On 20 Nov, Martin Bazley wrote in message
<a8e53b35...@blueyonder.co.uk>:
> This is a feature of NetSurf, and clearly one you are unacquainted with.
> Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is ticked,
> and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs will be
> displayed when you type.
>
> Pressing F3 (and, by extension, F8 to view source - something I've often
> found annoying) counts as typing. Therefore, the URL bar will - as it is
> meant to do - expand into a list of recent URLs. Such lists are common to
> all mainstream browsers, and are intended to save typing time.
Yes, but I'd argue that NetSurf shouldn't try and expand any keypresses that
it knows it's already turned into a hotkey combination. Unfortunately it
was doing the expansion first, and /then/ trying to identify hotkeys. I
/think/ that was probably my fault, from the great-GUI-rewrite earlier in
the year.
> The only 'bug' here is that the writable icon really shouldn't be trapping
> *any* keypresses, just those which would affect it.
That's how NetSurf should work, and the keypress handlers go to great
lengths to pass back up the chain details of what they have and haven't
dealt with. If anything is getting it wrong, it would be good to know.
> You can work around the problem by clicking in the main browser display to
> take the focus away from the URL bar before typing.
Or update to a build where it's been fixed. ;-)
<a8e53b35...@blueyonder.co.uk>:
> This is a feature of NetSurf, and clearly one you are unacquainted with.
> Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is ticked,
> and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs will be
> displayed when you type.
>
> Pressing F3 (and, by extension, F8 to view source - something I've often
> found annoying) counts as typing. Therefore, the URL bar will - as it is
> meant to do - expand into a list of recent URLs. Such lists are common to
> all mainstream browsers, and are intended to save typing time.
it knows it's already turned into a hotkey combination. Unfortunately it
was doing the expansion first, and /then/ trying to identify hotkeys. I
/think/ that was probably my fault, from the great-GUI-rewrite earlier in
the year.
> The only 'bug' here is that the writable icon really shouldn't be trapping
> *any* keypresses, just those which would affect it.
lengths to pass back up the chain details of what they have and haven't
dealt with. If anything is getting it wrong, it would be good to know.
> You can work around the problem by clicking in the main browser display to
> take the focus away from the URL bar before typing.
Rick Murray
Nov 20, 2011, 5:44:30 PM11/20/11
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On 20/11/2011 19:59, Martin Bazley wrote:
> Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is ticked,
> and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs will be
> displayed when you type.
... like most decent browsers on the other platforms (as you say).
> Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is ticked,
> and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs will be
> displayed when you type.
I find it invaluable as I can type a few letters and pick out the
corresponding item from the suggestions.
Me? Lazy? Never!
> Pressing F3 (and, by extension, F8 to view source - something I've often
> found annoying) counts as typing.
input focus into the main window (where you might want it so you can
Page Down to read the text... NetSurf does that, doesn't it?).
Best wishes,
Rick.
Rick Murray
Nov 20, 2011, 5:59:38 PM11/20/11
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On 20/11/2011 19:40, Steve Fryatt wrote:
> I know it's boring, but detailed bug reports really do help.
Or rather, bug reports with no details are worse than useless. If I
> I know it's boring, but detailed bug reports really do help.
receive a bug report like "It crashed.", I don't bother even looking in
the direction of the dev tools.
If anybody is in doubt, consider it like going to the doctor and saying
"I don't feel well" and *nothing* else. He'll eventually send you away,
maybe with a prescription for paracetamol. Which probably won't make you
better, it'll just hurt a little less.
You need to have *obvious* symptoms, or be willing to share information
before the doctor can ascertain if your bladder is about to explode, or
you have knocked yourself on the head and lost sight in one eye...
It's the same with programming. If the program starts up with some sort
of message that you need to click to dismiss... well, actually, nobody
even remotely cares what the *button* says (Continue, OK, Cancel, etc).
It is the message ITSELF that is the important thing. What does the
MESSAGE say? "Sector error at 01:03940549F" or "Missing font
definitions" or "I'm a potato, and so is my horse.". What is the message
SAYING?
Likewise, if something happens that you don't like or think is wrong, or
it crashes... Stop. Step back. Try to remember what you did to get to
that event. Then try it again. If you can reproduce the problem, then
write to the author describing EVERY SINGLE action. Every mouse click,
every key press, every time you pass wind during the action. Everything.
Absolutely.
This will permit the programmer to start up the software and attempt to
reproduce your exact steps (except maybe passing wind) in order to
replicate the problem. If it is reproducible, it may be an "a-ha!
that'll be <meh>", or a longer poke around with a debugger.
Given details, the problem can be tracked down, the bug pulled out, and
nailed to the wall with a hefty dose of extreme prejudice.
But if you are more inclined to send an email saying only "your program
crashed, please fix"... frankly... don't bother.
Don't fancy ending on a downer, so I'll add:
My unicorn is a potato too.
;-)
Best wishes,
Rick.
Steve Fryatt
Nov 20, 2011, 6:28:30 PM11/20/11
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On 20 Nov, Rick Murray wrote in message
<4ec982c1$0$2512$ba4a...@reader.news.orange.fr>:
PageDown, yes. I'm not sure that the caret handling is particularly optimal
here, however: cursor keys in the URL bar are passed to the URL completion
(or they are now, at least), which makes the completion work OK but isn't
that useful once you've got to the page you want to read.
It's probably one to revisit after some other more pressing things are
fixed.
<4ec982c1$0$2512$ba4a...@reader.news.orange.fr>:
here, however: cursor keys in the URL bar are passed to the URL completion
(or they are now, at least), which makes the completion work OK but isn't
that useful once you've got to the page you want to read.
It's probably one to revisit after some other more pressing things are
fixed.
Tennant Stuart
Nov 25, 2011, 1:02:00 PM11/25/11
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In article <mpro.luz2jh0f...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
No domain servers are configured, so only browsing local files will
be possible. Use Configure to set your name server(s). CONTINUE
> [snip]
>> 7. Press F3, and admire a weird expanded URL bar with scrollbars!
> Ah! That's the missing bit of info, and I can now reproduce the problem!
Good. :)
> Try r13157.
No idea what that means.
> I know it's boring, but detailed bug reports really do help.
If I only I knew how to do them - that's not me asking, though.
Tennant
<ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 20 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
> <na.9b23035235...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>> In article <mpro.luwl4r00...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
>> Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Could you give a step-by-step bug report, starting from loading
>>> NetSurf, detailing exactly what you click on and/or type where?
>> 1. Load up NetSurf, and click CONTINUE (can you make this go away?)
> Is NetSurf displaying a message here; if so, what does it say? I don't
> have to click Continue when I start the browser, so once again I've no
> idea what you're referring to without some more information.
If no other browser is running, and I'm logged off, it says...
> On 20 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
> <na.9b23035235...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>> In article <mpro.luwl4r00...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
>> Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Could you give a step-by-step bug report, starting from loading
>>> NetSurf, detailing exactly what you click on and/or type where?
>> 1. Load up NetSurf, and click CONTINUE (can you make this go away?)
> Is NetSurf displaying a message here; if so, what does it say? I don't
> have to click Continue when I start the browser, so once again I've no
> idea what you're referring to without some more information.
No domain servers are configured, so only browsing local files will
be possible. Use Configure to set your name server(s). CONTINUE
> [snip]
>> 7. Press F3, and admire a weird expanded URL bar with scrollbars!
> Ah! That's the missing bit of info, and I can now reproduce the problem!
> Try r13157.
No idea what that means.
> I know it's boring, but detailed bug reports really do help.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
Nov 25, 2011, 1:03:00 PM11/25/11
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In article <a8e53b35...@blueyonder.co.uk>, Martin Bazley
window containing URLs from every link in the downloaded page.
Furthermore there are no recently visited URLs, since this occurs when
I've just logged on, and it doesn't happen when I type anything.
Tennant
<martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> The following bytes were arranged on 20 Nov 2011 by Tennant Stuart :
>> In article <6754393452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
>> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the
>>> right of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
>> I know what you mean, but that's not what I'm referring to. The menu
>> button merely produces a small HTML-type history display. I'm not
>> clicking on that button at all. It's the URL bar which expands into a
>> proper window complete with scrollbars containing URLs from every link
>> in the downloaded page.
> This is a feature of NetSurf, and clearly one you are unacquainted with.
> Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is ticked,
> and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs will be
> displayed when you type.
Once again, that's not what I'm referring to. The URL bar expands into a
> The following bytes were arranged on 20 Nov 2011 by Tennant Stuart :
>> In article <6754393452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
>> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> The 'huge menu' may result from clicking on the menu button at the
>>> right of the URL bar and, in fact, it shows recently visited addresses.
>> I know what you mean, but that's not what I'm referring to. The menu
>> button merely produces a small HTML-type history display. I'm not
>> clicking on that button at all. It's the URL bar which expands into a
>> proper window complete with scrollbars containing URLs from every link
>> in the downloaded page.
> This is a feature of NetSurf, and clearly one you are unacquainted with.
> Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is ticked,
> and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs will be
> displayed when you type.
window containing URLs from every link in the downloaded page.
Furthermore there are no recently visited URLs, since this occurs when
I've just logged on, and it doesn't happen when I type anything.
Tennant
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Steve Fryatt
Nov 26, 2011, 6:19:57 AM11/26/11
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On 25 Nov, Stuart wrote in message
<5237cf77...@argonet.co.uk>:
> In article <na.f0c9ad5237...@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
> Download a later version, it's the build version number (I think)
It's the revision number for a test build, and will be shown in NetSurf's
iconbar menu info box. In practical terms, "Try r13157" just means "check
your version and if it's smaller, download whatever the current test build
is and install that".
If you have to report a bug in a test build, it's this 'r number' that you
need to mention somewhere: it allows the developers to pinpoint exactly what
version of the source code created the build you're using, which can save
time if your bug has already been fixed. :-)
<5237cf77...@argonet.co.uk>:
> In article <na.f0c9ad5237...@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
> Download a later version, it's the build version number (I think)
It's the revision number for a test build, and will be shown in NetSurf's
iconbar menu info box. In practical terms, "Try r13157" just means "check
your version and if it's smaller, download whatever the current test build
is and install that".
If you have to report a bug in a test build, it's this 'r number' that you
need to mention somewhere: it allows the developers to pinpoint exactly what
version of the source code created the build you're using, which can save
time if your bug has already been fixed. :-)
Steve Fryatt
Nov 26, 2011, 10:58:14 AM11/26/11
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On 25 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
<na.98ca025237...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
> In article <a8e53b35...@blueyonder.co.uk>, Martin Bazley
> <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > This is a feature of NetSurf, and clearly one you are unacquainted with.
> > Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is ticked,
> > and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs will be
> > displayed when you type.
>
> Once again, that's not what I'm referring to. The URL bar expands into a
> window containing URLs from every link in the downloaded page.
No, it doesn't. The URL Autocompletion starts on the URL of the page,
becuase until I fixed it, pressing F3 would trigger the effect if the caret
was in the URL bar.
The URLs are recently visited addresses which start with the URL of the page
you're visiting. If you were on www.bbc.co.uk, for example, you'd get a
list of all the URLs that you've visited which are on the BBC website.
> Furthermore there are no recently visited URLs, since this occurs when
> I've just logged on, and it doesn't happen when I type anything.
NetSurf's URL database persists across sessions.
<na.98ca025237...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
> In article <a8e53b35...@blueyonder.co.uk>, Martin Bazley
> <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > This is a feature of NetSurf, and clearly one you are unacquainted with.
> > Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is ticked,
> > and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs will be
> > displayed when you type.
>
> Once again, that's not what I'm referring to. The URL bar expands into a
> window containing URLs from every link in the downloaded page.
becuase until I fixed it, pressing F3 would trigger the effect if the caret
was in the URL bar.
The URLs are recently visited addresses which start with the URL of the page
you're visiting. If you were on www.bbc.co.uk, for example, you'd get a
list of all the URLs that you've visited which are on the BBC website.
> Furthermore there are no recently visited URLs, since this occurs when
> I've just logged on, and it doesn't happen when I type anything.
Steve Fryatt
Nov 26, 2011, 11:03:53 AM11/26/11
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On 25 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
<na.f0c9ad5237...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
> In article <mpro.luz2jh0f...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
> <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 20 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
> > <na.9b23035235...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>
<na.f0c9ad5237...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
> In article <mpro.luz2jh0f...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
> <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 20 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
> > <na.9b23035235...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>
> > > 1. Load up NetSurf, and click CONTINUE (can you make this go away?)
>
> > Is NetSurf displaying a message here; if so, what does it say? I don't
> > have to click Continue when I start the browser, so once again I've no
> > idea what you're referring to without some more information.
>
> If no other browser is running, and I'm logged off, it says...
>
> No domain servers are configured, so only browsing local files will
> be possible. Use Configure to set your name server(s). CONTINUE
That sounds as if you might want to check your system's Internet settings.
>
> > Is NetSurf displaying a message here; if so, what does it say? I don't
> > have to click Continue when I start the browser, so once again I've no
> > idea what you're referring to without some more information.
>
> If no other browser is running, and I'm logged off, it says...
>
> No domain servers are configured, so only browsing local files will
> be possible. Use Configure to set your name server(s). CONTINUE
Rick Murray
Nov 26, 2011, 10:31:48 PM11/26/11
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On 25/11/2011 19:02, Tennant Stuart wrote:
> If no other browser is running, and I'm logged off, it says...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> If no other browser is running, and I'm logged off, it says...
> No domain servers are configured, so only browsing local files will
> be possible. Use Configure to set your name server(s). CONTINUE
What the error is saying is that... well, a DNS server is the thing that
takes a *name* (heyrick.co.uk, google.com, lidl.co.uk, etc) and turns it
into the bunch of numbers that are the real internet addresses. Think of
it like a sort of postcode lookup for websites.
If you don't have an active DNS server available (and this may be
because you are "logged off"), NetSurf will be unable to ask for a name
(mdfs.net) to be translated into the numerical stuff (212.56.83.199)
that it requires in order to connect to the site.
If you have a DHCP connection (in other words, you configured nothing,
it all happens automatically when you connect to the internet), you
should be aware that *none* of this stuff will be available to you when
you aren't connected...
Best wishes,
Rick.
Tennant Stuart
Nov 27, 2011, 1:03:00 PM11/27/11
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In article <mpro.lv9z0z0a...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
what new articles have appeared that I have never seen before.
>> Furthermore there are no recently visited URLs, since this occurs when
>> I've just logged on, and it doesn't happen when I type anything.
> NetSurf's URL database persists across sessions.
Even into the future, it seems! :)
Tennant
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 25 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
> <na.98ca025237...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>> In article <a8e53b35...@blueyonder.co.uk>, Martin Bazley
>> <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> This is a feature of NetSurf, and clearly one you are unacquainted
>>> with. Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is
>>> ticked, and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs
>>> will be displayed when you type.
>> Once again, that's not what I'm referring to. The URL bar expands into a
>> window containing URLs from every link in the downloaded page.
> No, it doesn't. The URL Autocompletion starts on the URL of the page,
> becuase until I fixed it, pressing F3 would trigger the effect if the
> caret was in the URL bar.
> The URLs are recently visited addresses which start with the URL of the
> page you're visiting. If you were on www.bbc.co.uk, for example, you'd
> get a list of all the URLs that you've visited which are on the BBC
> website.
That can't be so, since I'm connecting to these index pages to find
> On 25 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
> <na.98ca025237...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>> In article <a8e53b35...@blueyonder.co.uk>, Martin Bazley
>> <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> This is a feature of NetSurf, and clearly one you are unacquainted
>>> with. Assuming the 'Display recently visited URLs as you type' box is
>>> ticked, and the caret is in the URL bar, then recently visited URLs
>>> will be displayed when you type.
>> Once again, that's not what I'm referring to. The URL bar expands into a
>> window containing URLs from every link in the downloaded page.
> No, it doesn't. The URL Autocompletion starts on the URL of the page,
> becuase until I fixed it, pressing F3 would trigger the effect if the
> caret was in the URL bar.
> The URLs are recently visited addresses which start with the URL of the
> page you're visiting. If you were on www.bbc.co.uk, for example, you'd
> get a list of all the URLs that you've visited which are on the BBC
> website.
what new articles have appeared that I have never seen before.
>> Furthermore there are no recently visited URLs, since this occurs when
>> I've just logged on, and it doesn't happen when I type anything.
> NetSurf's URL database persists across sessions.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
Nov 27, 2011, 1:04:00 PM11/27/11
to
In article <mpro.lv9zae0b...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Tennant
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 25 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
> <na.f0c9ad5237...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>> In article <mpro.luz2jh0f...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
>> Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 20 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
>>> <na.9b23035235...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>>>> 1. Load up NetSurf, and click CONTINUE (can you make this go away?)
>>> Is NetSurf displaying a message here; if so, what does it say? I don't
>>> have to click Continue when I start the browser, so once again I've no
>>> idea what you're referring to without some more information.
>> If no other browser is running, and I'm logged off, it says...
>> No domain servers are configured, so only browsing local files will
>> be possible. Use Configure to set your name server(s). CONTINUE
> That sounds as if you might want to check your system's Internet settings.
How would I do that? I don't want to fix anything that's not broken.
> On 25 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
> <na.f0c9ad5237...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>> In article <mpro.luz2jh0f...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
>> Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 20 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
>>> <na.9b23035235...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
>>>> 1. Load up NetSurf, and click CONTINUE (can you make this go away?)
>>> Is NetSurf displaying a message here; if so, what does it say? I don't
>>> have to click Continue when I start the browser, so once again I've no
>>> idea what you're referring to without some more information.
>> If no other browser is running, and I'm logged off, it says...
>> No domain servers are configured, so only browsing local files will
>> be possible. Use Configure to set your name server(s). CONTINUE
> That sounds as if you might want to check your system's Internet settings.
Tennant
Tennant Stuart
Nov 27, 2011, 1:05:00 PM11/27/11
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In article <mpro.lv9m5602...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Oh, so quoting Version 2.8 doesn't really mean anything?
Tennant
Tennant
Alan Dawes
Nov 28, 2011, 6:07:30 AM11/28/11
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In article <na.eeb5ea5238...@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
versions you can download development versions (often daily builds) with
an r prefix but should be aware that it may not be stable, although I've
only found any problem with 2 of the many r versions that I've downloaded
and often they have cured a problem in or added a facility to a previous
version.
Alan
--
alan....@argonet.co.uk
alan....@riscos.org
Using an Acorn RiscPC
Tennant Stuart <ten...@orpheus.co.uk> wrote:
> > It's the revision number for a test build, and will be shown in
> > NetSurf's iconbar menu info box. In practical terms, "Try r13157"
> > just means "check your version and if it's smaller, download whatever
> > the current test build is and install that".
> > If you have to report a bug in a test build, it's this 'r number' that
> > you need to mention somewhere: it allows the developers to pinpoint
> > exactly what version of the source code created the build you're using,
> > which can save time if your bug has already been fixed. :-)
> Oh, so quoting Version 2.8 doesn't really mean anything?
It means that you are using an official release version. Between release
> > It's the revision number for a test build, and will be shown in
> > NetSurf's iconbar menu info box. In practical terms, "Try r13157"
> > just means "check your version and if it's smaller, download whatever
> > the current test build is and install that".
> > If you have to report a bug in a test build, it's this 'r number' that
> > you need to mention somewhere: it allows the developers to pinpoint
> > exactly what version of the source code created the build you're using,
> > which can save time if your bug has already been fixed. :-)
> Oh, so quoting Version 2.8 doesn't really mean anything?
versions you can download development versions (often daily builds) with
an r prefix but should be aware that it may not be stable, although I've
only found any problem with 2 of the many r versions that I've downloaded
and often they have cured a problem in or added a facility to a previous
version.
Alan
--
alan....@argonet.co.uk
alan....@riscos.org
Using an Acorn RiscPC
Steve Fryatt
Dec 5, 2011, 4:45:00 PM12/5/11
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On 27 Nov, Tennant Stuart wrote in message
<na.eeb5ea5238...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
> Oh, so quoting Version 2.8 doesn't really mean anything?
Yes, it means you're running version 2.8.
If you're running a test build, it won't have a nice round number like that,
however.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/
<na.eeb5ea5238...@orpheusmail.co.uk>:
> Oh, so quoting Version 2.8 doesn't really mean anything?
If you're running a test build, it won't have a nice round number like that,
however.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/
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