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Kell Gatherer

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Mar 3, 2007, 11:57:42 AM3/3/07
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I never particularly found my A7000 to be usable as a desk-top computer,
but I've put it to some interesting uses over the years.

For a long time it was sitting in the network awaiting commands, then
performing, for example, an upload using FTPc. Then for a time it was
randomly uploading different images to my home page at
www.locationworks.com. A couple of years ago it was detecting the calendar
date and uploading different versions of our logo, for example on April
Fool, or St Patricks' Day.

Since then it has been languishing on a shelf, now however it has been
brought out of retirement, and is non-stop all day long playing random
tracks from a CD pumped into our telephone switchboard to be heard as
"hold music".

Acorn computers being the workhorses they are, I'm glad it's still in use.

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Mike Carter

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Mar 3, 2007, 1:02:32 PM3/3/07
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Its nice to see RISC OS being used for somthing in the work place.

Kell Gatherer

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Mar 3, 2007, 2:17:48 PM3/3/07
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In article <1172944952.0...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,

Mike Carter <mi...@carter.mihopa.net> wrote:
> Its nice to see RISC OS being used for somthing in the work place.

Oh, well, my entire website is still created and maintained using Risc OS.
In fact I'm sitting here in front of an array of three RPC's, one Iyonix
and two PC's. The local copy of the web site is held on a Linux server
which deals with scanning for changes and overnight upload, checking links
and etc.

Although we are developing server-side databases to take over the creation
of HTML pages, I'll be continuing to create the editorial pages using for
Risc OS for the foreseeable future.

I'm the only one here now using ROS, mind you. All the RiscPC's were
replaced by PC's over the last couple of years :-(

Dave Higton

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Mar 3, 2007, 2:44:57 PM3/3/07
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In message <1172944952.0...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>
"Mike Carter" <mi...@carter.mihopa.net> wrote:

> Its nice to see RISC OS being used for somthing in the work place.

I use my Risc PC at work for two main activities:

1) Capturing and analysing D channel data from telephone calls;

2) Developing and running a test application for a USB device that
I designed.

It gets used for all sorts of odd little other things too.

Dave

Chika

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Mar 3, 2007, 3:41:06 PM3/3/07
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In article <50c0eebd4e...@dsl.pipex.com>,

Most of my Risc PC use is at home these days, though it still gets used
for the odd bit of DTP for work on occasion. Most of it gets done on
Miyuki at home, then touch-ups get done on the works machine courtesy of a
Red Squirrel setup (previously a VA5000 setup but it kept going flaky on
me so, as I had a RS setup ready to run, I replaced it).

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Adam

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Mar 3, 2007, 5:01:21 PM3/3/07
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In message <1172944952.0...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, Mike Carter wrote:

> Its nice to see RISC OS being used for somthing in the work place.

Shame it's in the form of torture for callers to Kell's company :( I wish
people would just use a simple intermitant beep or something rather than
impose their taste in tinny music on me!

Adam
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David

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Mar 3, 2007, 8:33:58 PM3/3/07
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In message <50c0eebd4e...@dsl.pipex.com>
Dave Higton <daveh...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

I use 9 Risc PCs with primary age children (or should I say I and my
staff) and use 1 in my office for document processing, spreadsheet
data, design work and developing Textease material for children to use
covering all aspects of the taught ICT curriculum. 1 Risc PC is used
as a rolling display in the entrance hall.
The school website (approaching its 10th anniversary) is entirely
produced on Risc PC or the Iyonix at home with some occasional work
done in Virtual RPC-SE on the laptop.

In April, 9 of the Risc PCs will be for sale as Textease CT will be
our staple tool, and there is not a RISCOS version. My office machine
will be retained, however, as it is easier to maintain the academic
network on that rather than use a PC, and I'll still be continuing
with my staple jobs (as above)!! I do however, need the PC (shared
through a KVM) for viewing e-mail and dissecting large Excel
spreadsheets with macros activated.

Best wishes
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Chris Ward

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Mar 4, 2007, 4:09:16 AM3/4/07
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In articles previously in the thread, 'Uses were being discussed'.

My contribution ...

My Risc machine is used in native format to produce all my A level notes and work
related work sheets for school. Most of the admin is done on my (hopeless PeeCee),
aaalthough I do produce Techwriter documents, that I convert into PDF for
distribution to my work colleagues.

After the dimise of my (hopeless) PeeCee earlier this week:
Due to an internal skool 'upgrade' that was faulty... (!)

I was glad that I had made a backup (everyweek) of my PeeCee HD onto a massive
external HD.

That my RiscOS machine worked when I switched it on, sanity replaced

That I had not lost any of my work on the RiscOS machine (touch the Acorn) in
a what must be life time of use on my native platform

Although I have corrupted the !Boot file on a couple of occasions, once
you get the desktop back, copy over the last working copy .... it 'WORKS'

I asked .ICT (our ICT support) for an Apple (they won't support the A4 - still running)
but they said no.

They have just bought in some 'new laptops' to introduce Vista ......

When that comes in .... I will well be on the route to retirement.
The cash investment per machine is gross...
The power use is obscene
The compatibility on my software is virtually nil (but I don't buy it)

All in all Bill $ates I am afraid can throw his money back in to the community as he
fleeces the majority of PeeCee uses hand over fist.

My daughter has come home from Uni - needs a Mac ....
Why the PeeCee has not got the required programs to do the work in her area of study....

What do they have in their dept Macs and a coupe of A7000s!!

Enough said


I also like the non-upgrading of software by 'automatic methods' - which


Chris
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Kell Gatherer

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Mar 4, 2007, 12:06:25 PM3/4/07
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In article <453dfbbd...@snowstone.org.uk>,

Adam <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
> In message <1172944952.0...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, Mike
> Carter wrote:

> > Its nice to see RISC OS being used for somthing in the work place.

> Shame it's in the form of torture for callers to Kell's company :( I
> wish people would just use a simple intermitant beep or something rather
> than impose their taste in tinny music on me!

I beg your pardon! Bach, Beethoven, Mozart!

Our Panasonic switchboard doobry leaves callers in total silence when
they're on hold.

I suppose I could record a CD of beeps, mind you. If there were variety it
could be quite funny.

I did put on a CD of Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald etc, but there are
copyright problems alas.

Stuart

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Mar 4, 2007, 4:28:18 PM3/4/07
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In article <4ebe6412...@nospam.invalid>,

Kell Gatherer <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> I did put on a CD of Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald etc, but there are
> copyright problems alas.

How about using some examples from some sound effects records :-)

I believe they are copyright free and the effect on your callers could be
quite "interesting"

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Adam

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Mar 5, 2007, 11:38:19 AM3/5/07
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In message <4ebe6412...@nospam.invalid>, Kell Gatherer wrote:

> In article <453dfbbd...@snowstone.org.uk>,
> Adam <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
> > In message <1172944952.0...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, Mike
> > Carter wrote:
>
> > > Its nice to see RISC OS being used for somthing in the work place.
>
> > Shame it's in the form of torture for callers to Kell's company :( I
> > wish people would just use a simple intermitant beep or something rather
> > than impose their taste in tinny music on me!
>
> I beg your pardon! Bach, Beethoven, Mozart!

My point isn't about your taste in music, or mine - just that they're
likely to be different, and that either way I don't choose to listen to
my own music down a phone line. ;)

Chika

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Mar 5, 2007, 12:27:44 PM3/5/07
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In article <5356e5be...@snowstone.org.uk>, Adam

<ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
> In message <4ebe6412...@nospam.invalid>, Kell Gatherer wrote:

> > In article <453dfbbd...@snowstone.org.uk>, Adam
> > <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
> > > In message <1172944952.0...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Mike Carter wrote:
> >
> > > > Its nice to see RISC OS being used for somthing in the work place.
> >
> > > Shame it's in the form of torture for callers to Kell's company :( I
> > > wish people would just use a simple intermitant beep or something
> > > rather than impose their taste in tinny music on me!
> >
> > I beg your pardon! Bach, Beethoven, Mozart!

> My point isn't about your taste in music, or mine - just that they're
> likely to be different, and that either way I don't choose to listen to
> my own music down a phone line. ;)

It can be annoying, but it can be preferable to having some prerecorded
bimbo warbling insincerities down the line such as "your call is important
to us" or somesuch. Especially if you are "held in a queue" and "you will
be answered in xx minutes". :/

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Chris Evans

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Mar 6, 2007, 7:54:26 AM3/6/07
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In article <5356e5be...@snowstone.org.uk>, Adam

The other problem is that even if you love Bach etc telephone sound quality
is so low that it can cause distress to music lovers:-(

Also with Classical music its dynamic range can mean quite passages are
inaudible!

Chris Evans

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David

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Mar 6, 2007, 12:33:59 PM3/6/07
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In article <ant06122...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>, Chris Evans
<ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> The other problem is that even if you love Bach etc telephone sound
> quality is so low that it can cause distress to music lovers:-(

> Also with Classical music its dynamic range can mean quite passages
> are inaudible!

The best hold sound is that of an active office with a just audible
juicy bit of gossip taking place. Keeps your attention as well as
passing the time quite painlessly.

Market opportunity there.

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Alan Wrigley

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Mar 6, 2007, 1:09:29 PM3/6/07
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In message <ant06122...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> The other problem is that even if you love Bach etc telephone sound quality
> is so low that it can cause distress to music lovers:-(

Most sound reproduction equipment in existence can cause distress to
music lovers.

Alan

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Liz Leyden

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Mar 7, 2007, 12:38:42 PM3/7/07
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Chika <miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote:

> In article <5356e5be...@snowstone.org.uk>, Adam
> <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
>> In message <4ebe6412...@nospam.invalid>, Kell Gatherer wrote:
>
>> > In article <453dfbbd...@snowstone.org.uk>, Adam
>> > <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
>> > > In message <1172944952.0...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
>> > > Mike Carter wrote:
>> >
>> > > > Its nice to see RISC OS being used for somthing in the work place.
>> >
>> > > Shame it's in the form of torture for callers to Kell's company :( I
>> > > wish people would just use a simple intermitant beep or something
>> > > rather than impose their taste in tinny music on me!
>> >
>> > I beg your pardon! Bach, Beethoven, Mozart!
>
>> My point isn't about your taste in music, or mine - just that they're
>> likely to be different, and that either way I don't choose to listen to
>> my own music down a phone line. ;)
>
> It can be annoying, but it can be preferable to having some prerecorded
> bimbo warbling insincerities down the line such as "your call is important
> to us" or somesuch. Especially if you are "held in a queue" and "you will
> be answered in xx minutes". :/
>

That's my 2p as well.
I suppose soon they'll be able to let us 'dial 1 for classics, 2 for
easy listening, 3 for beeps ...'

Slainte

Liz


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VinceH

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Mar 7, 2007, 5:59:31 PM3/7/07
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On 7 Mar 2007, Liz Leyden wrote:
> In message <4ebee9dc...@no.spam.here>
> Chika <miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote:

[...]

> > It can be annoying, but it can be preferable to having some
> > prerecorded bimbo warbling insincerities down the line such as
> > "your call is important to us" or somesuch. Especially if you
> > are "held in a queue" and "you will be answered in xx
> > minutes". :/

> That's my 2p as well. I suppose soon they'll be able to let us
> 'dial 1 for classics, 2 for easy listening, 3 for beeps ...'

That's already been done. Sage's system has been doing it for
quite some time (I assume it's still the case - it's been a few
years since I last called them), and I doubt if they're the only
ones. IIRC the options they gave were classical, jazz and easy
listening.

Jeff

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Mar 8, 2007, 5:13:14 AM3/8/07
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Chris Evans wrote:
>>>>> Its nice to see RISC OS being used for somthing in the work place.
>>>> Shame it's in the form of torture for callers to Kell's company :( I
>>>> wish people would just use a simple intermitant beep or something rather
>>>> than impose their taste in tinny music on me!
>>> I beg your pardon! Bach, Beethoven, Mozart!
>> My point isn't about your taste in music, or mine - just that they're
>> likely to be different, and that either way I don't choose to listen to
>> my own music down a phone line. ;)
>
> The other problem is that even if you love Bach etc telephone sound quality
> is so low that it can cause distress to music lovers:-(
>
> Also with Classical music its dynamic range can mean quite passages are
> inaudible!

When I worked at my last company, I put together the Odeon on hold music
from a 'now' CD they had licensed. Mixed together some 'decent' music
and cut one in half to place the beginning at the end, and the end at
the beginning to loop it. This was to 'remove the silent gaps' as
apparently callers hated silences as they either thought the system had
hung up, or someone had answered their calls, which they hadn't.


On the other hand, I used My SA RPC to play music whilst I worked, used
it as a desktop for producing their IT Documents in Impression, and if I
had been careless enough to forget my laptop, I used and RDP Client to
connect to our Terminal Server / control other Servers.

It hosted an internal website, for up-to-date info about Users problems
(mostly for the hell of it!).

My Dad still uses A7000's to control test units where he works!

Tim Hill

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Mar 10, 2007, 6:22:50 AM3/10/07
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In article <7589f2bf...@liz13.uklinux.net>, Liz Leyden
<l...@liz13.uklinux.net> wrote:

> That's my 2p as well. I suppose soon they'll be able to let us 'dial 1
> for classics, 2 for easy listening, 3 for beeps ...'

Or "please hang up and dial another supplier who may truly value your
call and have a person answer it, or you get an honest engaged tone, thus
costing you nothing"! ;-)

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charles

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Mar 10, 2007, 7:41:36 AM3/10/07
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In article <4ec15b...@invalid.org.uk>,

Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <7589f2bf...@liz13.uklinux.net>, Liz Leyden
> <l...@liz13.uklinux.net> wrote:

> > That's my 2p as well. I suppose soon they'll be able to let us 'dial 1
> > for classics, 2 for easy listening, 3 for beeps ...'

> Or "please hang up and dial another supplier who may truly value your
> call and have a person answer it, or you get an honest engaged tone, thus
> costing you nothing"! ;-)

How I so agree, but the last leads to complaints "they're always busy".

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Tim Hill

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In article <4ec162d8...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles

<cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4ec15b...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
> <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > In article <7589f2bf...@liz13.uklinux.net>, Liz Leyden
> > <l...@liz13.uklinux.net> wrote:

> > > That's my 2p as well. I suppose soon they'll be able to let us
> > > 'dial 1 for classics, 2 for easy listening, 3 for beeps ...'

> > Or "please hang up and dial another supplier who may truly value your
> > call and have a person answer it, or you get an honest engaged tone,
> > thus costing you nothing"! ;-)

> How I so agree, but the last leads to complaints "they're always busy".

Of the few companies I deal with who implement the latter, the 'press
button five to keep trying' seems to work.

OTOH I prefer to be diverted to an ansafone and have them phone me back.

One company recently made me chuckle. I needed to contact someone
urgently so phoned them only to be told "I am sorry, he is engaged on
another call. I will email him and ask him to call you as soon as he
can", I heard the hint and never phone them now.

It impresses customers when you happily bear the cost of calls.

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charles

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In article <4ec165...@invalid.org.uk>,
Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> One company recently made me chuckle. I needed to contact someone
> urgently so phoned them only to be told "I am sorry, he is engaged on
> another call. I will email him and ask him to call you as soon as he
> can", I heard the hint and never phone them now.

which reminds me a situation some years ago. A couple of colleagues were
busy answering phones when the boss came in needing to talk to on of them.
He was unable to attract his "victim's" attention which seemed totally
focussed on answering the phone. In desparation, he picked up another
phone and rang the enquiry number. When it was answered with "Can I help
you?", The boss said " Alan, this is Frank. Can I talk to you, please?"
"Do you want me to come to your office?" "No, just look across the table."

Sandy Morton

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charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> which reminds me a situation some years ago.

Swambo was on the train and sitting opposite a business woman who was
giving hell to one of her staff on the mobile. She was sufficiently
embarassed to move when the phone rang whilst she was talking.

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Tim Hill

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Mar 10, 2007, 9:44:42 AM3/10/07
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Over christmas, I phoned a colleague across a hall during preparation for
an event so I could get a word in edgeways. "Why do you come here just to
make and take loads of phone calls?"

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Chris Evans

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Mar 12, 2007, 10:26:58 AM3/12/07
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In article <4ec165...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
<URL:mailto:t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <4ec162d8...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
> <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <4ec15b...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
> > <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <7589f2bf...@liz13.uklinux.net>, Liz Leyden
> > > <l...@liz13.uklinux.net> wrote:
>
> > > > That's my 2p as well. I suppose soon they'll be able to let us
> > > > 'dial 1 for classics, 2 for easy listening, 3 for beeps ...'
>
> > > Or "please hang up and dial another supplier who may truly value your
> > > call and have a person answer it, or you get an honest engaged tone,
> > > thus costing you nothing"! ;-)
>
> > How I so agree, but the last leads to complaints "they're always busy".
>
> Of the few companies I deal with who implement the latter, the 'press
> button five to keep trying' seems to work.

I'm not sure is everyone realises that that costs an extra 5p or so!



> OTOH I prefer to be diverted to an ansafone and have them phone me back.
>
> One company recently made me chuckle. I needed to contact someone
> urgently so phoned them only to be told "I am sorry, he is engaged on
> another call. I will email him and ask him to call you as soon as he
> can", I heard the hint and never phone them now.

Not necessarily a hint, I know of a number of suppliers whose method of
passing notes saying "Please call x back" is email, The individuals don't
have a public email address!

> It impresses customers when you happily bear the cost of calls.

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