NetSurf - Enabling Cookies ??
John Nolan
I'm trying to use NetSurf to overcome a Javascript problem with both
Oregano1 and 2.
This seems to be cured with NetSurf but when I try to sign up with a yahoo
group I get a
message, "We detect your browser is not accepting cookies from yahoo"
The Netsurf documentation mentions Cookies in the Utilities Submenu. But I
can't find this.
Can any of you help ?
Basically, I want to enable cookes on NetSurf.
Many thanks.
John N.
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Dave Plowman (News)
John Nolan <john....@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm trying to use NetSurf to overcome a Javascript problem with both
> Oregano1 and 2.
Not much point since it doesn't use JavaScript. You could try Firefox.
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Alex Macfarlane Smith
> Hello All,
>
> I'm trying to use NetSurf to overcome a Javascript problem with both
> Oregano1 and 2.
> This seems to be cured with NetSurf but when I try to sign up with a yahoo
> group I get a
> message, "We detect your browser is not accepting cookies from yahoo"
>
Yahoo's trying to use Javascript to detect whether it supports cookies
or not. And NetSurf doesn't support Javascript :)
Alex.
John-Mark Bell
> Basically, I want to enable cookes on NetSurf.
Cookies are enabled by default and there is no way to disable them.
NetSurf supports cookies just fine. It is likely that the site in
question is checking for cookie support using JavaScript, which NetSurf
does not currently support.
John.
Kevin Wells
John Nolan <john....@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I'm trying to use NetSurf to overcome a Javascript problem with both
>Oregano1 and 2.
>This seems to be cured with NetSurf but when I try to sign up with a yahoo
>group I get a
>message, "We detect your browser is not accepting cookies from yahoo"
>
>The Netsurf documentation mentions Cookies in the Utilities Submenu. But I
>can't find this.
>
>Can any of you help ?
>
>Basically, I want to enable cookes on NetSurf.
>
>Many thanks.
>
>John N.
>
Are you using a recent version of NetSurf as some of the earlier version
had problems logging into various Yahoo login sites, but the more recent
one manage OK.
I managed to log into Yahoo groups today using R7939 23 June 2009
version of NetSurf.
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Graham Pegg
John-Mark Bell <j...@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:49 +0000, John Nolan wrote:
>
> > Basically, I want to enable cookes on NetSurf.
>
> Cookies are enabled by default and there is no way to disable them.
Although, if you're paranoid, doesn't access-protecting the cookies file,
or an empty replacement, have the same effect?
Graham
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Dave Plowman (News)
John-Mark Bell <j...@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> Cookies are enabled by default and there is no way to disable them.
> NetSurf supports cookies just fine. It is likely that the site in
> question is checking for cookie support using JavaScript, which NetSurf
> does not currently support.
Currently?
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John Williams (News)
Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Currently?
Prompt Rob to say that if you'd like to take it on ...
John
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Dave Plowman (News)
John Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5071b0b...@davenoise.co.uk>,
> Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Currently?
> Prompt Rob to say that if you'd like to take it on ...
Sadly I wouldn't have clue where to start.
Firefox is simply too slow on this machine. Would the addition of
Javascript do the same to Netsurf?
FWIW I still find Oregano 1 the best all round compromise, even with its
ancient Javascript.
> John
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Steve Fryatt
<5071e6a...@davenoise.co.uk>:
> In article <5071e3c4...@tiscali.co.uk>,
> John Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5071b0b...@davenoise.co.uk>,
> > Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Currently?
>
> > Prompt Rob to say that if you'd like to take it on ...
>
> Sadly I wouldn't have clue where to start.
You would need one of the developers for a definitive answer, but AIUI the
basic position is that all (applicable) work being done to NetSurf is leading
towards eventual Javascript support, and that this is on the cards for some
point in the future when all the necessary work is complete.
The problem is the amount of ground-work to be done, since Javascript requires
access to many other aspects of the browser in order to be of any use.
> Firefox is simply too slow on this machine. Would the addition of
> Javascript do the same to Netsurf?
Pass. There was a discussion on this somewhere a while back, but I can't
remember what the outcome was.
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John-Mark Bell
> In message <1246058628.18148.253.camel@duiker>
> John-Mark Bell <j...@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 22:49 +0000, John Nolan wrote:
> >
> > > Basically, I want to enable cookes on NetSurf.
> >
> > Cookies are enabled by default and there is no way to disable them.
>
> Although, if you're paranoid, doesn't access-protecting the cookies file,
> or an empty replacement, have the same effect?
Not really; that just prevents cookies being saved for use the next time
you use the browser.
John.
Rob Kendrick
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> > > Prompt Rob to say that if you'd like to take it on ...
> >
> > Sadly I wouldn't have clue where to start.
>
> You would need one of the developers for a definitive answer, but
> AIUI the basic position is that all (applicable) work being done to
> NetSurf is leading towards eventual Javascript support, and that this
> is on the cards for some point in the future when all the necessary
> work is complete.
>
> The problem is the amount of ground-work to be done, since Javascript
> requires access to many other aspects of the browser in order to be
> of any use.
Correct. Hubbub, our new HTML5 parser, was one such stepping stone.
That's already used in development builds of NetSurf, and has
advantages beyond the future ability to have JavaScript, such as
parsing HTML the same way as IE.
We have also been developing a new CSS parser, and a DOM
implementation, both pre-requisites. But NetSurf's development builds
currently use neither. All together, around 250,000 lines of code
and test cases have been written in these three components, which shows
how much work there has been done towards it, and what a big job it
is. And that's not including modifications to the rendering engine
that have to happen.
The biggest problem at the moment is time and manpower.
> > Firefox is simply too slow on this machine. Would the addition of
> > Javascript do the same to Netsurf?
>
> Pass. There was a discussion on this somewhere a while back, but I
> can't remember what the outcome was.
It's unlikely. Firefox is so slow because it isn't written from the
point of view of running on puny hardware, and much of it is scripted
in JavaScript itself. I don't believe the RISC OS port uses the JIT
for JavaScript, making things even worse. Also, any slow down that
might be introduced by adding JavaScript support will be partially
outweighed by the performance improvements we've made elsewhere.
(Our new CSS parser isn't currently as fast as our old one, but it has
the advantage that it actually gets things right, and gets it right in
a small space.)
B.
Rob Kendrick
John Nolan <john....@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> As a computer thicko, I've been trying to work out what Javasscript
> can do that "simpler" html cannot. And why yahoo may be using this in
> connection with cookies when cookies may be able to be dealt with by
> other, simpler (?) means.
Any number of things. It makes web pages turing complete, meaning they
can do anything. Imagine the difference between a word processor, and
a picture of one.
In this case, the page may be scripting requests to the server for
interactivity, and being told what cookie to set that way.
B.
John Nolan
Many thanks for all your replies.
As a computer thicko, I've been trying to work out what Javasscript can do
that "simpler" html cannot. And why yahoo may be using this in connection
with cookies when cookies may be able to be dealt with by other, simpler (?)
means.
Dave P. mentioned Firefox. Can anyone tell me where this can be found.
Kevin W. mentioned he was using R7939 23 June 2009 version of NetSurf.
Well, I was using v2.1 which I had just downloaded. Maybe this isn't as
recent as R7939. So I'll try and have a look at that.
Eric Rucker
http://www.riscos.info/index.php/Firefox for Firefox, but it's
uselessly slow on a RiscPC. Well, maybe a 300 MHz Kinetic can run it
at a useful speed, but I doubt it.