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Ian Stocks

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May 4, 2006, 11:00:12 AM5/4/06
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Is this anyone we know :-

http://www.ctshow.co.uk/cgi-events/exview.pl?exhibition_id=91&exbtr_id=6424

The Logo looks familiar.

Ian.


Paul

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May 4, 2006, 11:11:16 AM5/4/06
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On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 16:00 +0100, Ian Stocks wrote:

> The Logo looks familiar.

Click on it and be scared :-(

TTFN

Paul
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Ian Stocks

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May 4, 2006, 11:14:07 AM5/4/06
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"Paul" <pa...@all-the-johnsons.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1146755475.1...@mrwibble.mrwobble...

> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 16:00 +0100, Ian Stocks wrote:
>
>> The Logo looks familiar.
>
> Click on it and be scared :-(

The link on the CT show web site is broken I guess it should be :-

http://www.acorncomputer.co.uk/

Which is suprisingly short on details.

Ian.


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druck

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May 4, 2006, 12:54:23 PM5/4/06
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On 4 May 2006 "Ian Stocks" <nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
> Is this anyone we know :-
>
> http://www.ctshow.co.uk/cgi-events/exview.pl?exhibition_id=91&exbtr_id=6424

Its a f***ing disgrace. The Acorn trademarks have lapsed and now some bunch
of schisters are trading on Acorn's good name, to flog some cheap and nasty
Windows notebooks. We should turn up at this show and tear the cluprits limb
from limb.

---druck

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John Cartmell

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May 4, 2006, 1:15:48 PM5/4/06
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In article <4e21d49bd9u...@vigay.com>,
Paul Vigay <usenet...@vigay.com> wrote:
> In article <4e21cc3...@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
> Dave Stratford <da...@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> > Interesting. Assuming the name is actually correct then this makes
> > interesting reading as well :

> > http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/bbfa30fd79c546a8cb53686571981704/compdetails

> I can't actually access the Companies House database at the moment, but
> I'll check it in the morning, and I shall be reporting them for fraud if
> they're trying to pass themselves off as Acorn of the 80's and 90's. That's
> false advertising, fraudlent claims and trying to pass yourself off as
> someone else.

> I may also phone the exhibition organisers in the morning too.

Done so.
Shahid Sultan 'UK Operations Director of GlobalComm/Acorn Computers Ltd' has
reportedly bought out Acorn Computers Ltd and is relaunching the company.
The organisers seem to have little more than that.

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David S Lawson

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May 4, 2006, 2:12:31 PM5/4/06
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Theee is a computer shop in Redditch that trades under the name of
Acorn but I've not had a look to see what they sell.

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Bryn Evans

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May 4, 2006, 4:06:17 PM5/4/06
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In a mad moment - druck mumbled :

> On 4 May 2006 "Ian Stocks" <nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
>> Is this anyone we know :-
>>
>> http://www.ctshow.co.uk/cgi-events/exview.pl?exhibition_id=91&exbtr_id=6424
>
> Its a f***ing disgrace. The Acorn trademarks have lapsed and now some bunch
> of schisters are trading on Acorn's good name, to flog some cheap and nasty
> Windows notebooks. We should turn up at this show and tear the cluprits limb
> from limb.
>

NO! Turn up with few Beeb/Arc programs on a floppy, challenge them to
demonstrate them, then get the trading standards on to them for
miss-representation.

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Adam

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May 4, 2006, 5:05:04 PM5/4/06
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In message <4e21d6c...@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote:

> In article <4e21d49bd9u...@vigay.com>,
> Paul Vigay <usenet...@vigay.com> wrote:
> > In article <4e21cc3...@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
> > Dave Stratford <da...@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Interesting. Assuming the name is actually correct then this makes
> > > interesting reading as well :
>
> > > http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/bbfa30fd79c546a8cb53686571981704/compdetails
>
> > I can't actually access the Companies House database at the moment, but
> > I'll check it in the morning, and I shall be reporting them for fraud
> > if they're trying to pass themselves off as Acorn of the 80's and 90's.
> > That's false advertising, fraudlent claims and trying to pass yourself
> > off as someone else.
>
> > I may also phone the exhibition organisers in the morning too.
>
> Done so.

Um, what's the big deal? If some half-bit (geddit?) start-up want's to try
and play on an old trademark, fair play to them for imagination. (I can't
see it'll help them mind - the only people who'll recognise it will just be
confused!)

Adam

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Adam

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May 4, 2006, 5:06:05 PM5/4/06
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In message <fdd8d421...@druck.freeuk.net>, druck wrote:

> On 4 May 2006 "Ian Stocks" <nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
> > Is this anyone we know :-
> >
> > http://www.ctshow.co.uk/cgi-events/exview.pl?exhibition_id=91&exbtr_id=6424
>
> Its a f***ing disgrace. The Acorn trademarks have lapsed and now some
> bunch of schisters are trading on Acorn's good name, to flog some cheap
> and nasty Windows notebooks. We should turn up at this show and tear the
> cluprits limb from limb.

Sheesh! Get over it. Acorn are long dead and buried. The sooner the name is
forgotten, the better, as far as I'm concerned.

druck

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May 4, 2006, 5:21:15 PM5/4/06
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On 4 May 2006 Adam <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
> In message <fdd8d421...@druck.freeuk.net>, druck wrote:
>> On 4 May 2006 "Ian Stocks" <nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Is this anyone we know :-
>>>
>>> http://www.ctshow.co.uk/cgi-events/exview.pl?exhibition_id=91&exbtr_id=6424
>>
>> Its a f***ing disgrace. The Acorn trademarks have lapsed and now some
>> bunch of schisters are trading on Acorn's good name, to flog some cheap
>> and nasty Windows notebooks. We should turn up at this show and tear the
>> cluprits limb from limb.
>
> Sheesh! Get over it. Acorn are long dead and buried. The sooner the name is
> forgotten, the better, as far as I'm concerned.

So why are you supporting fraudulent traders attempting to profit from it?

John Cartmell

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May 4, 2006, 5:41:22 PM5/4/06
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In article <23cceb21...@snowstone.org.uk>,

> > Done so.

It's always as well to keep a sharp eye on anyone who might turn out to be
predatory. Fair play is *not* what is around if someone with no connection to
Acorn Computers is pretending to have decades of Acorn Computers experience
behind them.

Jason Tribbeck

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May 4, 2006, 6:26:40 PM5/4/06
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Adam wrote:

> Um, what's the big deal? If some half-bit (geddit?) start-up want's to try
> and play on an old trademark, fair play to them for imagination. (I can't
> see it'll help them mind - the only people who'll recognise it will just be
> confused!)

I'd love to call them and ask for a RiscPC, or claim you've got a 10
year warranty on something that's just died.

If everyone here does that once, they won't be terribly impressed with
their choice of name...

btw - it's been discussed on TIB:

http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=7546
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Adam

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May 4, 2006, 7:00:17 PM5/4/06
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In message <445a7fa0$0$8344$da0f...@news.zen.co.uk>, Jason Tribbeck wrote:

> Adam wrote:
>
> > Um, what's the big deal? If some half-bit (geddit?) start-up want's to
> > try and play on an old trademark, fair play to them for imagination. (I
> > can't see it'll help them mind - the only people who'll recognise it
> > will just be confused!)
>

> I'd love to call ...[and]... claim you've got a 10

> year warranty on something that's just died.

Heh heh, good plan! :)

matthew....@gmail.com

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May 5, 2006, 2:44:12 AM5/5/06
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druck wrote:
> On 4 May 2006 "Ian Stocks" <nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
> > Is this anyone we know :-
> >
> > http://www.ctshow.co.uk/cgi-events/exview.pl?exhibition_id=91&exbtr_id=6424
>
> Its a f***ing disgrace. The Acorn trademarks have lapsed and now some bunch
> of schisters are trading on Acorn's good name, to flog some cheap and nasty
> Windows notebooks. We should turn up at this show and tear the cluprits limb
> from limb.
>
> ---druck
>

As far as I can tell from the UK Patent Office's Trademark Database,
the "nut" logo is up for renewal in February next year, and the
trademark of "Acorn" on computer reference manuals is due for renewal
in 2009.

--
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David Holden

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May 5, 2006, 5:21:34 AM5/5/06
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On 5-May-2006, "matthew....@gmail.com" <matthew....@gmail.com>
wrote:

> As far as I can tell from the UK Patent Office's Trademark Database,
> the "nut" logo is up for renewal in February next year, and the
> trademark of "Acorn" on computer reference manuals is due for renewal
> in 2009.

The nut logo is nothing to do with Acorn Computers. If you mean the green
"acorn" that the company used that can't be registered. You will notice that
the new Nottingham company uses a different font for their name so there's
no conflict with the old Acorn trademark even if it has been registered.

The "misrepresentation" isn't the name or the logo it's the attempt to imply
that they're a continuation of the old company (unless, of course, they
are). However, it's possible that this link could have been made by the show
organisers, so let's not condemn then too soon. (Oops, silly me, this is
c.s.a.)

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Chris Joseph

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May 5, 2006, 5:51:54 AM5/5/06
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Adam <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
>
>Um, what's the big deal? If some half-bit (geddit?) start-up want's to try
>and play on an old trademark, fair play to them for imagination. (I can't

Except that the trademark belongs to someone else (currently Castle, I
believe), which makes it actually quite serious criminal fraud. Even
if Castle no longer (for whatever reason) own the old Acorn
trademarks, the newcomer still makes claims to be associated with the
'old' Acorn computers which appear to be completely unfounded. So
there's *still* passing off and fraud; probably a fairly clear case of
false advertising as well, if you want to open it up to relatively
minor charges.

Chris.

Chris Hall

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May 5, 2006, 5:59:34 AM5/5/06
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In message <114675564...@despina.uk.clara.net>
"Ian Stocks" <nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:

Try adding an s:
http://www.acorncomputers.co.uk

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David Holden

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May 5, 2006, 6:04:17 AM5/5/06
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Adam <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
>
>Um, what's the big deal? If some half-bit (geddit?) start-up want's to try
>and play on an old trademark, fair play to them for imagination. (I can't

Except that the trademark belongs to someone else (currently Castle, I
believe), which makes it actually quite serious criminal fraud.

No, it doesn't, and what is shown on the website is *not* the "old" Acorn
Computers trademark anyway.

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John Cartmell

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May 5, 2006, 6:34:28 AM5/5/06
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In article <4c0m9aF...@individual.net>,
David Holden <black...@apdl.co.uk> wrote:

> Adam <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Um, what's the big deal? If some half-bit (geddit?) start-up want's to try
> >and play on an old trademark, fair play to them for imagination. (I can't

> Except that the trademark belongs to someone else (currently Castle, I
> believe), which makes it actually quite serious criminal fraud.

> No, it doesn't, and what is shown on the website is *not* the "old" Acorn
> Computers trademark anyway.

The problem is obviously the exhibition website that makes a clear link to
Acorn Computers of the 80s and 90s.

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Adam

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May 5, 2006, 7:41:07 AM5/5/06
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John Cartmell

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May 5, 2006, 7:13:41 AM5/5/06
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In article <4e2237d50bu...@vigay.com>,
Paul Vigay <usenet...@vigay.com> wrote:
> In article <ocA*oG...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,

> Chris Joseph <chr...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > Except that the trademark belongs to someone else (currently Castle, I
> > believe), which makes it actually quite serious criminal fraud. Even if
> > Castle no longer (for whatever reason) own the old Acorn trademarks, the
> > newcomer still makes claims to be associated with the 'old' Acorn
> > computers which appear to be completely unfounded. So there's *still*
> > passing off and fraud; probably a fairly clear case of false advertising
> > as well, if you want to open it up to relatively minor charges.

> Indeed. I would urge people to complain both to the Computer Trade Show as
> well as Companies House - details in my previous posting.

Preferably without making any unwarranted assumptions. It's always difficult
to continue with a (justified) complaint when you have made errors (even if
incidental) in that complaint.

Chris Evans

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May 5, 2006, 8:26:22 AM5/5/06
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In article <1146811452.8...@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,

From companies house web site I see that the original Acorn Computers Ltd is
still an active company, now called Cabot 2 Ltd

Company No. 01403810

Date of Incorporation: 05/12/1978
name at time of incorporation:
Original name ACORN COMPUTERS LIMITED
then renamed to ELEMENT 14 LIMITED
then CABOT 2 LIMITED

Cabot2 appears to be still 'trading' with a return submitted in September
last year!
Nature of Business (SIC(03)): 7487 - Other business activities


Another company

Company No. 02926030
Date of Incorporation: 05/05/1994
started out called ACKRACK LAW LIMITED
then renamed to ONLINE MEDIA LIMITED
then ELEMENT 14 LIMITED
then ACORN COMPUTERS LIMITED
then CABOT 7 LIMITED

and was dissolved 05/09/2000

In jan 1999 the two companies swapped names between Element 14 and Acorn
Computers

n.b. MSDW are based in Cabot Square


Chris Evans

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Chris Evans

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May 5, 2006, 7:42:01 AM5/5/06
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In article <ocA*oG...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Chris Joseph
<URL:mailto:chr...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Adam <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Um, what's the big deal? If some half-bit (geddit?) start-up want's to try
> >and play on an old trademark, fair play to them for imagination. (I can't
>
> Except that the trademark belongs to someone else (currently Castle, I
> believe),

I think Castle only had a licence to use the name, I suspect the ownership
lies with MSDW Holdings who bought out Acorn Computers Ltd.
I doubt MSDW will know about the infringment or be bothered to pursue the
new company if they did.

> which makes it actually quite serious criminal fraud. Even
> if Castle no longer (for whatever reason) own the old Acorn
> trademarks, the newcomer still makes claims to be associated with the
> 'old' Acorn computers which appear to be completely unfounded. So
> there's *still* passing off and fraud; probably a fairly clear case of
> false advertising as well, if you want to open it up to relatively
> minor charges.
>
> Chris.
>

diodesign

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May 5, 2006, 8:48:18 AM5/5/06
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Hi,

I got the same press release too.. More details soon.

Chris / drobe.co.uk

diodesign

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May 5, 2006, 8:54:11 AM5/5/06
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Hi,

Chris Evans wrote:
> In article <ocA*oG...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Chris Joseph
> <URL:mailto:chr...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > Adam <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >Um, what's the big deal? If some half-bit (geddit?) start-up want's to try
> > >and play on an old trademark, fair play to them for imagination. (I can't
> >
> > Except that the trademark belongs to someone else (currently Castle, I
> > believe),
>
> I think Castle only had a licence to use the name, I suspect the ownership
> lies with MSDW Holdings who bought out Acorn Computers Ltd.
> I doubt MSDW will know about the infringment or be bothered to pursue the
> new company if they did.

A quick check with the UK patent office shows that Element-14 own the
Acorn name and nut log as registered trademarks. The trademarks are
both valid, the name up to 2009 and the nut to 2007. Broadcom now own
E-14.

Castle were allowed to continue using the Acorn brand in order to
resell RiscPCs in the post-Acorn breakup. See:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990203003924/www.castle-technology.co.uk/ctl.html

Chris / drobe.co.uk

John Cartmell

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May 5, 2006, 8:59:38 AM5/5/06
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In article <ant05110...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,

Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ocA*oG...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Chris Joseph
> <URL:mailto:chr...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> > Adam <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >Um, what's the big deal? If some half-bit (geddit?) start-up want's to try
> > >and play on an old trademark, fair play to them for imagination. (I can't
> >
> > Except that the trademark belongs to someone else (currently Castle, I
> > believe),

> I think Castle only had a licence to use the name, I suspect the ownership
> lies with MSDW Holdings who bought out Acorn Computers Ltd.
> I doubt MSDW will know about the infringment or be bothered to pursue the
> new company if they did.

Anyone read The Register - hardware section.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/05/05/acorn_computers_reborn/

Paul

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May 5, 2006, 10:37:13 AM5/5/06
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On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 22:21 +0100, druck wrote:

> On 4 May 2006 Adam <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:

> > Sheesh! Get over it. Acorn are long dead and buried. The sooner the name is
> > forgotten, the better, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> So why are you supporting fraudulent traders attempting to profit from it?

I reckon it's Microdigital trying to make a comeback...

<ducks>

TTFN

Paul
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Ray Dawson

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May 5, 2006, 10:51:23 AM5/5/06
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"Adam" <ne...@snowstone.org.uk> wrote:

Are those Solo computers anything to do with Explan?

Ray D

Ray Dawson

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May 5, 2006, 10:53:37 AM5/5/06
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druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

>
> > Sheesh! Get over it. Acorn are long dead and buried. The sooner the
> > name is forgotten, the better, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> So why are you supporting fraudulent traders attempting to profit from
> it?
>

I thought Castle were using the Acorn name on their computers?

Ray D

VinceH

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May 5, 2006, 1:35:13 PM5/5/06
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On 5 May 2006, David Holden wrote:

> No, it doesn't, and what is shown on the website is *not* the
> "old" Acorn Computers trademark anyway.

However, look at the title bar of the web page at
http://www.acorncomputer.co.uk

According to http://www.patent.gov.uk/tm/howtoapply/faq.htm

----8<----
Am I breaking the law by using "TM" on my trade mark?
No, as this does not indicate that your trade mark is actually
registered, only that it is being used in a trade mark sense. You
would only be breaking the law (Section 95 of the Trade Marks Act
1994) if you used the registered symbol ® or the abbreviation
"RTM".
----8<----

Also according to the Patents Office website:

http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/tm/number?detailsrequested=C&trademark=1510669

"Acorn" (in this context) is owned by E14.

Whether Acorn Computers Ltd is breaking the law in this context
remains unclear, though. It depends on a number of things that
none of us know and, in the best tradition of usenet, can only
speculate and jump to conclusions about.

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John Cartmell

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May 5, 2006, 2:00:39 PM5/5/06
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In article <gemini.iyszio0...@softrock.co.uk>,

VinceH <sp...@softrock.co.uk> wrote:
> "Acorn" (in this context) is owned by E14.

Acorn Computers Ltd (2006 version) say they will allow their resellers to
promote themselves as "Acorn Authorised". So later this year you could
reasonably ask any of the "Acorn Authorised" resellers to supply you with an
Iyonix, A9, Virtual RiscPC or copy of Select 4 - and be rightfully aggrieved
if they try to sell you a Windows laptop instead.

On reflection I can think of one or two companies who might already consider
themselves to be "Acorn Authorised" without waiting for the imprimatur of
Acorn Computers Ltd (2006).

Vincent Vega

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May 5, 2006, 2:18:02 PM5/5/06
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At a guess, it's probably a reference to the fact that there are Intel
"Core Solo" chips in them.

Stefan Wuerthner

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May 5, 2006, 3:31:35 PM5/5/06
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In message <114675481...@despina.uk.clara.net>
"Ian Stocks" <nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:

> Is this anyone we know :-
>
> http://www.ctshow.co.uk/cgi-events/exview.pl?exhibition_id=91&exbtr_id=6424
>
> The Logo looks familiar.
>

> Ian.
>
>

Even Engadget picked up the story (including discussion):

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/05/acorn-computers-to-be-reborn-as-laptop-maker/


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druck

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May 5, 2006, 9:17:27 PM5/5/06
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On 5 May 2006 Paul Vigay <usenet...@vigay.com> wrote:
> In article <4e21cc3...@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
> Dave Stratford <da...@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Interesting. Assuming the name is actually correct then this makes
>> interesting reading as well :
>
>> http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/bbfa30fd79c546a8cb53686571981704/compdetails
>
> I've just spoken to Companies House, reporting them for fraudulently trying
> to pass themselves off as someone else and had a very informative
> conversation with the person on the phone. They're going to launch an
> investigation

Well done Paul.

> I also phoned Anthony Hull at the Computer Trade Show and explained the
> situation to him, so he's going to discuss the matter with his superiors
> and decide what action to take (after all, they might not want 1000 angry
> Acorn users turning up to ask awkward questions.....;-))

And well done again.

Perhaps you might also want to drop a line to Chris and Herman to see what
they think of the situation. Acorn computers selling Windows notebooks - they
would be spinning in their graves if they weren't still alive.

---druck

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druck

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May 5, 2006, 9:13:11 PM5/5/06
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I've already blasted the register for that one.

VinceH

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