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Ronald
Dec 11, 2020, 8:13:19 PM12/11/20
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I misplaced my first sata adapter, but have just received this adapter.
Ebay item number 184529566106 seller myegreentree898
On my Iyonix, the sata drive (previously formatted ADFS with USB
adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as
slave to my usual ide boot drive.
Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
The new ide/sata adapter can be configured master/slave, probably worth
trying a second adapter to see if two adapters would work on the one 40
pin cable.
The drive previously formatted via USB is not getting recognised as
being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't
delve into the reasons.
Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong
somehow.
I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be
OK but will post again to confirm.
HTH people interested, maybe Stefan, Chris Evans. Druck was selling his
Iyonix, but may be able to help as to why usb formatting has not passed
over to the ide/sata if it is still a valid issue.
Ronald May
Ebay item number 184529566106 seller myegreentree898
On my Iyonix, the sata drive (previously formatted ADFS with USB
adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as
slave to my usual ide boot drive.
Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
The new ide/sata adapter can be configured master/slave, probably worth
trying a second adapter to see if two adapters would work on the one 40
pin cable.
The drive previously formatted via USB is not getting recognised as
being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't
delve into the reasons.
Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong
somehow.
I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be
OK but will post again to confirm.
HTH people interested, maybe Stefan, Chris Evans. Druck was selling his
Iyonix, but may be able to help as to why usb formatting has not passed
over to the ide/sata if it is still a valid issue.
Ronald May
Alan Adams
Dec 12, 2020, 6:40:57 AM12/12/20
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In message <17a573dd58.beeb@-.->
they won't cooperate, for example if the master has firmware much older
than the slave.
> The new ide/sata adapter can be configured master/slave, probably worth
> trying a second adapter to see if two adapters would work on the one 40
> pin cable.
> The drive previously formatted via USB is not getting recognised as
> being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't
> delve into the reasons.
> Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong
> somehow.
> I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be
> OK but will post again to confirm.
> HTH people interested, maybe Stefan, Chris Evans. Druck was selling his
> Iyonix, but may be able to help as to why usb formatting has not passed
> over to the ide/sata if it is still a valid issue.
> Ronald May
--
Alan Adams
Ronald <gettin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I misplaced my first sata adapter, but have just received this adapter.
> Ebay item number 184529566106 seller myegreentree898
> On my Iyonix, the sata drive (previously formatted ADFS with USB
> adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as
> slave to my usual ide boot drive.
> Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
The master-slave relationship needs the drives to be compatible. Sometimes
> I misplaced my first sata adapter, but have just received this adapter.
> Ebay item number 184529566106 seller myegreentree898
> On my Iyonix, the sata drive (previously formatted ADFS with USB
> adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as
> slave to my usual ide boot drive.
> Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
they won't cooperate, for example if the master has firmware much older
than the slave.
> The new ide/sata adapter can be configured master/slave, probably worth
> trying a second adapter to see if two adapters would work on the one 40
> pin cable.
> The drive previously formatted via USB is not getting recognised as
> being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't
> delve into the reasons.
> Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong
> somehow.
> I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be
> OK but will post again to confirm.
> HTH people interested, maybe Stefan, Chris Evans. Druck was selling his
> Iyonix, but may be able to help as to why usb formatting has not passed
> over to the ide/sata if it is still a valid issue.
> Ronald May
Alan Adams
Ronald
Dec 12, 2020, 4:13:22 PM12/12/20
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In message <ad97a9d...@alan.adamshome.org.uk>
Mmmm, the parallel ide hitachi will naturally have older firmware than
the sata hitachi, so the combination may never work, unless there is
firmware updates for old drives possible. Likely would be a Windows
utility for that sort of thing.
With two IDE slots, I have some flexibility, I guess the end game would
likely be multiple ide/sata adapters with ssd's and or sata cd/dvd
drives.
I'm currently (very slowly) copying off 16GB data via USB to USB so I
can try reformatting the sata drive.
The slowness highlights why it would be good to use sata as an easy
plugin drive, maybe not as convenient as USB but much better than the
40-44pin adapter and the parallel ide 2.5" connection.
Ronald May
Alan Adams <al...@adamshome.org.uk> wrote:
> In message <17a573dd58.beeb@-.->
> Ronald <gettin...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> In message <17a573dd58.beeb@-.->
> Ronald <gettin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On my Iyonix, the sata drive (previously formatted ADFS with USB
> > adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as
> > slave to my usual ide boot drive.
> > Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
>
> The master-slave relationship needs the drives to be compatible. Sometimes
> they won't cooperate, for example if the master has firmware much older
> than the slave.
>
<snip>
> > adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as
> > slave to my usual ide boot drive.
> > Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
>
> The master-slave relationship needs the drives to be compatible. Sometimes
> they won't cooperate, for example if the master has firmware much older
> than the slave.
>
Mmmm, the parallel ide hitachi will naturally have older firmware than
the sata hitachi, so the combination may never work, unless there is
firmware updates for old drives possible. Likely would be a Windows
utility for that sort of thing.
With two IDE slots, I have some flexibility, I guess the end game would
likely be multiple ide/sata adapters with ssd's and or sata cd/dvd
drives.
I'm currently (very slowly) copying off 16GB data via USB to USB so I
can try reformatting the sata drive.
The slowness highlights why it would be good to use sata as an easy
plugin drive, maybe not as convenient as USB but much better than the
40-44pin adapter and the parallel ide 2.5" connection.
Ronald May
Ronald
Dec 12, 2020, 9:07:27 PM12/12/20
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> The drive previously formatted via USB is not getting recognised as
> being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't
> delve into the reasons.
> Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong
> somehow.
>
> I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be
> OK but will post again to confirm.
>
<snip>
> being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't
> delve into the reasons.
> Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong
> somehow.
>
> I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be
> OK but will post again to confirm.
>
OK, the sata drive formatted with (newest) hform of Oct 20 has had a 5GB
docs folder written to it and it also mounts with the USB/Sata adapter.
When hform formats through ide it suggests (and I used)
77527 cyls 16Hds 189 sectors/track
When hform formats though scsi(usb) it suggests (and I used last time)
63005 cyls 61 Hds 61 sectors/track
But this USB formatting resulted in 'has disc been formatted' when I
tried to read it with ide/sata adapter, though it did work with USB OK.
Obviously the best way is to always format with ide.
But could it be something that needs to be fixed in Hform->Scsi?
Ronald May
Alan Adams
Dec 13, 2020, 8:37:58 AM12/13/20
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master and slave.
If you want to boot off the slave, I think you would need "*configure
drive 5".
> With two IDE slots, I have some flexibility, I guess the end game would
> likely be multiple ide/sata adapters with ssd's and or sata cd/dvd
> drives.
> I'm currently (very slowly) copying off 16GB data via USB to USB so I
> can try reformatting the sata drive.
> The slowness highlights why it would be good to use sata as an easy
> plugin drive, maybe not as convenient as USB but much better than the
> 40-44pin adapter and the parallel ide 2.5" connection.
> Ronald May
--
Alan Adams
Ronald <gettin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In message <ad97a9d...@alan.adamshome.org.uk>
> Alan Adams <al...@adamshome.org.uk> wrote:
>> In message <17a573dd58.beeb@-.->
>> Ronald <gettin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>>> On my Iyonix, the sata drive (previously formatted ADFS with USB
>>> adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as
>>> slave to my usual ide boot drive.
>>> Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
>>
>> The master-slave relationship needs the drives to be compatible. Sometimes
>> they won't cooperate, for example if the master has firmware much older
>> than the slave.
>>
> <snip>
> Mmmm, the parallel ide hitachi will naturally have older firmware than
> the sata hitachi, so the combination may never work, unless there is
> firmware updates for old drives possible. Likely would be a Windows
> utility for that sort of thing.
There's a good chance they would work the other way round, i.e. swap
> In message <ad97a9d...@alan.adamshome.org.uk>
> Alan Adams <al...@adamshome.org.uk> wrote:
>> In message <17a573dd58.beeb@-.->
>> Ronald <gettin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>>> On my Iyonix, the sata drive (previously formatted ADFS with USB
>>> adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as
>>> slave to my usual ide boot drive.
>>> Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
>>
>> The master-slave relationship needs the drives to be compatible. Sometimes
>> they won't cooperate, for example if the master has firmware much older
>> than the slave.
>>
> <snip>
> Mmmm, the parallel ide hitachi will naturally have older firmware than
> the sata hitachi, so the combination may never work, unless there is
> firmware updates for old drives possible. Likely would be a Windows
> utility for that sort of thing.
master and slave.
If you want to boot off the slave, I think you would need "*configure
drive 5".
> With two IDE slots, I have some flexibility, I guess the end game would
> likely be multiple ide/sata adapters with ssd's and or sata cd/dvd
> drives.
> I'm currently (very slowly) copying off 16GB data via USB to USB so I
> can try reformatting the sata drive.
> The slowness highlights why it would be good to use sata as an easy
> plugin drive, maybe not as convenient as USB but much better than the
> 40-44pin adapter and the parallel ide 2.5" connection.
> Ronald May
Alan Adams
David Higton
Dec 13, 2020, 9:12:20 AM12/13/20
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I was only half paying attention at the time, but there was something
recently about recent versions of HForm using fragment ID sizes that
old versions of RO (e.g. in the Iyonix) can't cope with.
I apologise if this turns out not to be relevant.
David
recently about recent versions of HForm using fragment ID sizes that
old versions of RO (e.g. in the Iyonix) can't cope with.
I apologise if this turns out not to be relevant.
David
Ronald
Dec 13, 2020, 3:29:05 PM12/13/20
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The issue is only to do with the hform->scsi option.
I should rephrase the above to
Using the suggested hform->scsi shape resulted in the drive being
useable on the Iyonix via USB/SCSI but not when the drive was then
connected to the Iyonix ide interface.
I kept a copy of the DiscKnight check if it is relevant, but I think the
SCSI formatting would need to duplicate the IDE formatting procedure to
correct the problem.
There may me more to it than just the shape difference?
Ronald May
I should rephrase the above to
Using the suggested hform->scsi shape resulted in the drive being
useable on the Iyonix via USB/SCSI but not when the drive was then
connected to the Iyonix ide interface.
I kept a copy of the DiscKnight check if it is relevant, but I think the
SCSI formatting would need to duplicate the IDE formatting procedure to
correct the problem.
There may me more to it than just the shape difference?
Ronald May
Chris Evans (CJE/4D)
Dec 14, 2020, 8:54:40 AM12/14/20
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In article <ae633ede58.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton
Druck mentioned it as possible problem, Sprow pointed out the latest copes even with RISC OS 3.1 which we have been able to confirm is o.k.
The thread is here:https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/15945
> I apologise if this turns out not to be relevant.
IDE to SATA interfaces seem very varied and we've seen them seem to work but
then report a drive as unformatted that it had read o.k. before!
Chris Evans
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The thread is here:https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/15945
> I apologise if this turns out not to be relevant.
then report a drive as unformatted that it had read o.k. before!
Chris Evans
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------------ http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/igepv5 ------------
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Tel: +44 (0)1903 523222
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Ronald
Dec 26, 2020, 3:44:52 AM12/26/20
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Having a reason to, (To let the IDE/SATA adapter have it's own IDE
channel) I found that the sony CDROM would not write a CD as slave.
I configured it back to master, and my boot IDE drive to slave and
they co-exist that way OK. Also the ide drive stays at 4.
Now the boot drive is set to slave, I tried Alan's suggestion of
trying the IDE/SATA as master on the same IDE channel.
The result was that the SATA drive was found but the IDE (boot) drive
was lost, regardless wether I configured drive to 5 or not.
It looks like these IDE/SATA adapter(s?) need their own IDE channel, but
I haven't tried other HDD's, multiple adapters, or other types.
Ronald May
"Chris Evans (CJE/4D)" <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ae633ede58.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton
> <URL:mailto:da...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> In article <ae633ede58.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton
> <URL:mailto:da...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> > I was only half paying attention at the time, but there was something
> > recently about recent versions of HForm using fragment ID sizes that
> > old versions of RO (e.g. in the Iyonix) can't cope with.
>
> Druck mentioned it as possible problem, Sprow pointed out the latest copes even with RISC OS 3.1 which we have been able to confirm is o.k.
>
> The thread is here:https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/15945
>
> > I apologise if this turns out not to be relevant.
>
> IDE to SATA interfaces seem very varied and we've seen them seem to work but
> then report a drive as unformatted that it had read o.k. before!
>
>
> Chris Evans
>
I haven't seen any unreliability in re-reading yet.
> > I was only half paying attention at the time, but there was something
> > recently about recent versions of HForm using fragment ID sizes that
> > old versions of RO (e.g. in the Iyonix) can't cope with.
>
> Druck mentioned it as possible problem, Sprow pointed out the latest copes even with RISC OS 3.1 which we have been able to confirm is o.k.
>
> The thread is here:https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/15945
>
> > I apologise if this turns out not to be relevant.
>
> IDE to SATA interfaces seem very varied and we've seen them seem to work but
> then report a drive as unformatted that it had read o.k. before!
>
>
> Chris Evans
>
Having a reason to, (To let the IDE/SATA adapter have it's own IDE
channel) I found that the sony CDROM would not write a CD as slave.
I configured it back to master, and my boot IDE drive to slave and
they co-exist that way OK. Also the ide drive stays at 4.
Now the boot drive is set to slave, I tried Alan's suggestion of
trying the IDE/SATA as master on the same IDE channel.
The result was that the SATA drive was found but the IDE (boot) drive
was lost, regardless wether I configured drive to 5 or not.
It looks like these IDE/SATA adapter(s?) need their own IDE channel, but
I haven't tried other HDD's, multiple adapters, or other types.
Ronald May
Theo
Dec 26, 2020, 6:04:32 AM12/26/20
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Ronald <gettin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It looks like these IDE/SATA adapter(s?) need their own IDE channel, but
> I haven't tried other HDD's, multiple adapters, or other types.
Some adapters have a master/slave jumper on them, but I wouldn't be
> It looks like these IDE/SATA adapter(s?) need their own IDE channel, but
> I haven't tried other HDD's, multiple adapters, or other types.
surprised if it's poorly tested / not very compatible with the many devices
out there.
Theo
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