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John Pettigrew

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Nov 29, 2002, 4:30:22 AM11/29/02
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Having had a quick look at the Iyonix spec list, there are a couple of
questions that I wondered if anyone could answer.

First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
lovely Omega case...

Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect to
both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to convert
a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch, or go back to
having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.

Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!

Ta

John
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James Sargent

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Nov 29, 2002, 4:39:36 AM11/29/02
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John Pettigrew wrote:
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most
> uninspired case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not
> at least have provided a desktop case as well as the tower?

That may mean difficulty with the Podule slots.

> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single
> memory slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get,
> that's it? Not a huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR
> RAM!

"The completely new motherboard features [...] a single slot to
accommodate a 64-bit 200MHz DDR RAM card"

NB: As *I* understand the Castle launch blurb, the launch machines will
have 128Mb, "normal" machines (after Christmas) 64Mb.

James

Robin May

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Nov 29, 2002, 7:23:43 AM11/29/02
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John Pettigrew wrote:
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> lovely Omega case...

It looks like you could fit it in any case, if you didn't fit the podule
backplane.

> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect to
> both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to convert
> a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch, or go back to
> having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.

You can get PS/2 to USB converters. They provide you with two PS/2 ports and
cost about £30. I saw quite a few of them in shops around Tottenham Court
Road and one in a shop on the Strand.

> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
> slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
> huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!

Well, yes there's only one memory slot so the only way you can upgrade the
memory is by buying a completely new stick of memory. Taking out the 128mb
one and replacing it with, for example, a 512mb one or a 1gb one.

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Nov 29, 2002, 7:20:00 AM11/29/02
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In article <379ae99...@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew

<jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I
> connect to both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any
> way to convert a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch,
> or go back to having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.

I'd check with Stuart Tyrrell about the options here.

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Chris Evans

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Nov 29, 2002, 7:13:06 AM11/29/02
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In article <379ae99...@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew
<URL:mailto:jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> Having had a quick look at the Iyonix spec list, there are a couple of
> questions that I wondered if anyone could answer.
>
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> lovely Omega case...
>
> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect to
> both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to convert
> a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch, or go back to
> having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.

I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(



> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
> slot on this board?

Yes

> So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
> huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!

Need more? coming along to the CJE Stand tomorrow:-)

We may have them in stock:-)

Chris Evans

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James Sargent

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Nov 29, 2002, 7:49:24 AM11/29/02
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Chris Evans wrote:
> I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(

<panto> Oh yes you can </panto>

Peter Bell

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Nov 29, 2002, 8:02:51 AM11/29/02
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In message <ant29120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(

Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?

Ummm, come to think of it, it's actually in circuit between my mouse
and the STD miniPS2mouse plugged into my RPC. <moves mouse> - yep,
that's working!

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John Pettigrew

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Nov 29, 2002, 8:08:23 AM11/29/02
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In a previous message, Peter Bell wrote:

> In message <ant29120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
>
> Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
> with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?

Unless I'm mistaken, what everyone has been talking about is converting a
USB mouse to plug into a PS/2 port. However, what would be needed with an
Iyonix is to convert a PS/2 mouse and keyboard to plug into a USB port. And
I don't think I've ever seen something to do this.

John
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Diehard Duck

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Nov 29, 2002, 8:08:32 AM11/29/02
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Amazingly, Peter Bell's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
the output was as follows:

Yes but that's the wrong way round. Although so was Mr Evans' desription. So
you've proved Mr Evans wrong, but haven't answered the original poster ;)

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Ian Stocks

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Nov 29, 2002, 8:19:18 AM11/29/02
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"John Pettigrew" <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in
message news:0590fd9...@xl-cambridge.com...

> In a previous message, Peter Bell wrote:
>
> > In message <ant29120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> > Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
> >
> > Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
> > with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, what everyone has been talking about is converting a
> USB mouse to plug into a PS/2 port. However, what would be needed with an
> Iyonix is to convert a PS/2 mouse and keyboard to plug into a USB port.
And
> I don't think I've ever seen something to do this.

Something like http://www.netshop.co.uk/usb004.htm , should do the trick.

Ian.


Diehard Duck

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Nov 29, 2002, 8:21:04 AM11/29/02
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Amazingly, Ian Stocks's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that

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Hm, that wake up switch looks a bit annoying though. Just don't use suspend
mode I suppose! Will there even be one?

The Doctor

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Nov 29, 2002, 8:22:59 AM11/29/02
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In message <379ae99...@xl-cambridge.com>
John Pettigrew <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:

> Having had a quick look at the Iyonix spec list, there are a couple of
> questions that I wondered if anyone could answer.
>
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> lovely Omega case...
>

The podules may have presented more of a problem in a desktop case.
However, as it is a desktop case, there is nothing to stop you from
buying an mATX or standard ATX case and using that instead.
You could even buy an Omega case and fit it all in that.
You'll still have to cut the podule holes out though if you want them.

There may also be the case (<-pun;-) of voiding the warranty.

> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect to
> both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to convert
> a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch, or go back to
> having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.
>

Stuart Tyrell is the man to speak to about this I think.

> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
> slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
> huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!
>

There is indeed only one DDR slot on the board.
Cheers!

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Ian Molton

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Nov 29, 2002, 8:25:17 AM11/29/02
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:02:51 GMT
Peter Bell <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:

>
> > I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
>
> Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
> with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?

its not a converter (probably).

both USB and PS/2 have two power lines (+ and gnd) and two signal lines.

the connectro alters the PHYSICAL characterisitcs, but is pass-through
electronically.

the electronics in the MOUSE choose what mode to operate in
automagically.

this is borne out by the fact that my logitech iFeel WILL NOT work on
such a connector as it doesnt have the PS2 logic in it.

Robin May

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Nov 29, 2002, 8:21:23 AM11/29/02
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John Pettigrew wrote:
>
> In a previous message, Peter Bell wrote:
>
> > In message <ant29120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
> > Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
> >
> > Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
> > with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, what everyone has been talking about is converting a
> USB mouse to plug into a PS/2 port. However, what would be needed with an
> Iyonix is to convert a PS/2 mouse and keyboard to plug into a USB port. And
> I don't think I've ever seen something to do this.

That's what I was talking about. I have seen something that can do that and
it cost about £30.

John Pettigrew

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Nov 29, 2002, 8:48:35 AM11/29/02
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In a previous message, The Doctor wrote:

> In message <379ae99...@xl-cambridge.com>
> John Pettigrew <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
>
> > With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have provided a desktop
> > case as well as the tower?
> >

> The podules may have presented more of a problem in a desktop case.

Not a huge problem for most people, I'd have thought. For example, I have 2
podules, fully occupying the backplane of my single-slice RPC. However, they
are a Blitz IDE interface and a ViewFinder graphics card, both of which will
be redundant in an Iyonix...

Of popular podules, I think that mostly leaves network cards, TV cards and
SCSI cards. The first of these are also redundant in an Iyonix (with its
build-in net), TV cards might be an issue, but podule SCSI cards will
probably be slower than the mobo IDE i/f in an Iyonix.

> However, as it is a desktop case, there is nothing to stop you from
> buying an mATX or standard ATX case and using that instead.

True, but a faff, and probably has warranty implications.

> You could even buy an Omega case and fit it all in that.

LOL. Now that *would* confuse people :-)

John
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Chris Evans

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Nov 29, 2002, 9:22:00 AM11/29/02
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In article <3de7695b$0$307$bed6...@pubnews.gradwell.net>, Ian Stocks

Ah, I wasn't aware of that, I was wrong!

The "requires Windows98" is a worry, does it need drivers?

The Logitech 'Adaptors' though are just plug convertors i.e. they is no
electronics in them. Thier mice auto detect what they are connected to and
then interface USB or PS2 as required. They do not change a USB signal into
a PS2 signal.

Diehard Duck

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> In article <3de7695b$0$307$bed6...@pubnews.gradwell.net>, Ian Stocks
> <URL:mailto:nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
>> "John Pettigrew" <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID>
>> wrote in message news:0590fd9...@xl-cambridge.com...
>>> In a previous message, Peter Bell wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <ant29120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
>>>> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(
>>>>
>>>> Oooo, I wonder what this little green usb-ps2 convertor, which came
>>>> with my Logitech kb & mouse, is for, then?
>>>
>>> Unless I'm mistaken, what everyone has been talking about is
>>> converting a USB mouse to plug into a PS/2 port. However, what
>>> would be needed with an Iyonix is to convert a PS/2 mouse and
>>> keyboard to plug into a USB port. And I don't think I've ever seen
>>> something to do this.
>>
>> Something like http://www.netshop.co.uk/usb004.htm , should do the
>> trick.
>
> Ah, I wasn't aware of that, I was wrong!
>
> The "requires Windows98" is a worry, does it need drivers?

No. USB was not supported *properly* on any version of Windows before 98.
That's the only reason.

Robin May

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Nov 29, 2002, 9:48:45 AM11/29/02
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Diehard Duck wrote:
>
> Amazingly, Chris Evans's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
> the output was as follows:
> > In article <3de7695b$0$307$bed6...@pubnews.gradwell.net>, Ian Stocks
> > <URL:mailto:nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
> >> "John Pettigrew" <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID>
> >> Something like http://www.netshop.co.uk/usb004.htm , should do the
> >> trick.
> >
> > Ah, I wasn't aware of that, I was wrong!
> >
> > The "requires Windows98" is a worry, does it need drivers?
>
> No. USB was not supported *properly* on any version of Windows before 98.
> That's the only reason.

I'd expect that it would require drivers to be written for RISC OS though.

The Doctor

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Nov 29, 2002, 9:52:44 AM11/29/02
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In message <0e3e019...@xl-cambridge.com>
John Pettigrew <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID>
wrote:

> In a previous message, The Doctor wrote:
>

[super snip]

> > However, as it is a desktop case, there is nothing to stop you from

Ahem! Sorry, but that ^^^^^^^^^^^^ should read 'MicroATX design'
Lack of slepp.


> > buying an mATX or standard ATX case and using that instead.

Diehard Duck

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Nov 29, 2002, 9:58:34 AM11/29/02
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Amazingly, Robin May's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that

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> Diehard Duck wrote:
>>
>> Amazingly, Chris Evans's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away
>> that the output was as follows:
>>> In article <3de7695b$0$307$bed6...@pubnews.gradwell.net>, Ian
>>> Stocks <URL:mailto:nos...@testbox2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> "John Pettigrew" <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID>
>>>> Something like http://www.netshop.co.uk/usb004.htm , should do the
>>>> trick.
>>>
>>> Ah, I wasn't aware of that, I was wrong!
>>>
>>> The "requires Windows98" is a worry, does it need drivers?
>>
>> No. USB was not supported *properly* on any version of Windows
>> before 98. That's the only reason.
>
> I'd expect that it would require drivers to be written for RISC OS
> though.

Hm...I would expect standard Mouse/Keyboard drivers to work. This must
already be implemented into the Iyonix. The adapter itself shouldn't need
drivers.

Robin May

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Nov 29, 2002, 10:24:43 AM11/29/02
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From what I know of these adapters, they present themselves as two PS/2
ports in Windows. This would suggest that they need something more than
simple keyboard and mouse drivers.

Diehard Duck

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Nov 29, 2002, 10:31:34 AM11/29/02
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Just found this:

http://www.rotronic.co.uk/inter/new.htm

It's on there. About £5 cheaper too :)

Cheers
Russ

Diehard Duck

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Nov 29, 2002, 10:31:35 AM11/29/02
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I would put money on it working out of the box. I'm not saying you're
wrong...but I'm confident that you are ;)

Robin May

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Nov 29, 2002, 10:30:00 AM11/29/02
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I'm pretty confident I'm right. I think it's a more complex arrangement than
a simple human interface device type driver.

Diehard Duck

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Nov 29, 2002, 10:34:24 AM11/29/02
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A fiver sez it works out of the box :P

Robin May

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Nov 29, 2002, 10:37:43 AM11/29/02
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Diehard Duck wrote:
>
> Amazingly, Robin May's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
> the output was as follows:
> > Diehard Duck wrote:
> >>
> >> Amazingly, Robin May's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
> >> the output was as follows:
> >>> From what I know of these adapters, they present themselves as two
> >>> PS/2 ports in Windows. This would suggest that they need something
> >>> more than simple keyboard and mouse drivers.
> >>
> >> I would put money on it working out of the box. I'm not saying you're
> >> wrong...but I'm confident that you are ;)
> >
> > I'm pretty confident I'm right. I think it's a more complex
> > arrangement than a simple human interface device type driver.
>
> A fiver sez it works out of the box :P

Ha, alright. Now we just have to find someone with an Iyonix and a converter
to test on it. Any volunteers?

Diehard Duck

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Nov 29, 2002, 10:43:30 AM11/29/02
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Amazingly, Robin May's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
the output was as follows:
> Diehard Duck wrote:
>>
>> Amazingly, Robin May's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away that
>> the output was as follows:
>>> Diehard Duck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Amazingly, Robin May's fingers fell upon a keyboard in such away
>>>> that the output was as follows:
>>>>> From what I know of these adapters, they present themselves as two
>>>>> PS/2 ports in Windows. This would suggest that they need something
>>>>> more than simple keyboard and mouse drivers.
>>>>
>>>> I would put money on it working out of the box. I'm not saying
>>>> you're wrong...but I'm confident that you are ;)
>>>
>>> I'm pretty confident I'm right. I think it's a more complex
>>> arrangement than a simple human interface device type driver.
>>
>> A fiver sez it works out of the box :P
>
> Ha, alright. Now we just have to find someone with an Iyonix and a
> converter to test on it. Any volunteers?

Perhaps Castle can demo tomorrow. I won't be there...we'll rely on the
community to tell the truth :)

Robert Richards

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Nov 29, 2002, 11:00:19 AM11/29/02
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John Pettigrew <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message news:<379ae99...@xl-cambridge.com>...

> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory
> slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
> huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!

No. You can still remove the RAM and replace it with a larger module.
As stated quite sensibly on the Iyonix website, it's going to make
bugger all difference to the cost of upgrading the RAM (and may even
save you money cos you can sell the old RAM) and removes the problems
of mixing different RAM modules.

Nice machine. Fairly nice prce too!

John Pettigrew

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Nov 29, 2002, 11:27:35 AM11/29/02
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In a previous message, Robert Richards wrote:

> John Pettigrew wrote in message news:<379ae99...@xl-cambridge.com>...


> > Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single
> > memory slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's
> > it?
>

> No. You can still remove the RAM and replace it with a larger module.
> As stated quite sensibly on the Iyonix website, it's going to make
> bugger all difference to the cost of upgrading the RAM

Well, yes, you can obviously take out the supplied memory, but you can't
simply add more - you have to replace what's there. It's more expensive to
buy a 256 MB than a 128 MB memory module (about GBP 65 rather than about GBP
35). Not a huge difference, but still worth a few pints.

> Nice machine. Fairly nice prce too!

Yes. I'll be interested to see what the "real" price is after the launch
offer expires, because I certainly won't be able to get one for a few months
yet.

John
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Ray Dawson

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Nov 29, 2002, 11:32:31 AM11/29/02
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In article <ant29120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>, Chris Evans
<ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> > Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use
> > USB keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I
> > connect to both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there
> > any way to convert a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB*
> > switch, or go back to having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.

> I don't think you can convert USB to PS2:-(

I have two USB mice here which are PS2 ones plugged into a convertor. I'm
not sure if there are any USB only mice around.

Cheers,

Ray D

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Stefan Bellon

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Nov 29, 2002, 11:55:54 AM11/29/02
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Ray Dawson wrote:

> I'm not sure if there are any USB only mice around.

Yes, of course there are. Mine are USB ones that have an adapter to
PS/2. (Well, they're trackballs as I only use Logitech TrackMan Marble
devices, but it holds for real mice as well).

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druck

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Nov 29, 2002, 2:11:33 PM11/29/02
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On 29 Nov 2002 John Pettigrew

<jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> lovely Omega case...

I find whats on the monitor more interesting than the box.

> Questions: it has no keyboard or mouse connectors, so we have to use USB
> keyboard and mouse. However, I have a very nice PS/2 mouse that I connect
> to both my RiscPC and my Linux box (via a switch). Is there any way to
> convert a PS/2 mouse to USB? Otherwise, I'll need a *USB* switch, or go
> back to having 2 mice on my desktop if I get an Iyonix.

Many mice such as are now USB/PS2. The lead terminates in a USB plug, but has
a USB to PS2 adpator - note this is entirely passive, it doesn't do any
conversion, the mice supports both protocols.

> Second question: am I right in thinking that there's only a single memory

> slot on this board? So whatever amount of memory we get, that's it? Not a
> huge problem, given the minimum spec of 128MB DDR RAM!

Yes, one slot. I'll be swapping my 128MB for 512MB, or 1G if I'm feeling
generous. Don't really need more than 256MB for anything I'm likely to do,
but what the hell.

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In message <d3cf1e9d...@druck.freeuk.net>
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

> On 29 Nov 2002 John Pettigrew
> <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
> > First, though a comment - is that or is that not one of the most uninspired
> > case designs ever? With a micro-ATX board, could they not at least have
> > provided a desktop case as well as the tower? I mean, compare that with the
> > lovely Omega case...
>
> I find whats on the monitor more interesting than the box.
>

Of course you do, and well you should. I do too. But although for example, I
take special care, when presenting a meal, that it tastes just right, it has
to look and smell palatable. Although the meal is far more important than
the table it sits on, the table dimensions must be appropriate (its physical
characteristics); one doesn't only use physical dimensions when choosing
dining furniture. It has to look good in its setting.

It's OK to have a beige box for a computer in an office or study. It's much
better to have an aesthetically pleasing design if your computer will be on
view, for example in the sitting room, TV room, Office Reception area, etc.
You /are/ planning to have your modern RISCOS computer in view, are you not?
You're not planning to /hide/ the thing are you?

I don't want to restart any debates on which boxes are more awkard and
impractical to get into, but apple has largely based its recovery on
/aesthetics/.

Otherwise why does the iMac sell? price?

regards,

phil

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Nov 29, 2002, 3:34:39 PM11/29/02
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In article <as7umq$p14$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>,
Diehard Duck <die...@THELIDuserve.co.uk> wrote:

> No. USB was not supported *properly* on any version of Windows before 98.
> That's the only reason.

I don't think USB was supported properly on Win98.

It worked (mostly) but you could sit for hours trying to figure out why a
USB zip drive and a USB scanner wouldn't both work at the same time.

Take the same machine to Win2k and it just worked.

So forget "USB has been available for PC's for ages" because "available"
and "working properly" aren't the same thing.

Brian Carroll

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Nov 29, 2002, 2:50:49 PM11/29/02
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In article <0e3e019...@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew
<jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:

[Snip]

> Of popular podules, I think that mostly leaves network cards,

> TV cards and SCSI cards. ..... TV cards might be an issue,...

Yes, I would want to transfer my Irlam RiscTV card, mainly
because of its use with my camcorder and digicam, and also a
Castle or Power-tec SCSI card. ...

> .... but podule SCSI cards will probably be slower than the


> mobo IDE i/f in an Iyonix.

... They may be (relatively) slow but necessary to allow me to
continue using several SCSI peripherals.


Brian.

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Dave Symes

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Nov 29, 2002, 4:14:20 PM11/29/02
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In article <4b9d266b64st...@argonet.co.uk>,

Sort of correct. The Win98 SE upgrade sorted a large number of the
original Win98 USB problems.

Dave S

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Stefan Bellon

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druck wrote:
> I'll be swapping my 128MB for 512MB [...]

Why not order the 512 MB variant of the Iyonix in the first place?

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Jess

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Nov 29, 2002, 1:01:59 PM11/29/02
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In message <4b9d10...@raydawson.com>
Ray Dawson <R...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

> I have two USB mice here which are PS2 ones plugged into a convertor. I'm
> not sure if there are any USB only mice around.

We use lots at work

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Ian Molton

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Nov 29, 2002, 5:56:50 PM11/29/02
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:34:39 +0000 (GMT)
Steven Pampling <steve.p...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

>
> I don't think USB was supported properly on Win98.
>
> It worked (mostly) but you could sit for hours trying to figure out
> why a USB zip drive and a USB scanner wouldn't both work at the same
> time.

Grr! dont remind me. I've finally given up battling to get a stupid
win98 box to allow my partners iPaq and M$ intellimouse optical USB to
coexist.

it works, right up until the first full moon^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H time you
reboot after plugging in both devices during a session. then the machine
will never, EVER recognise the mouse EVER again until you format AND
reinstall, not just reinstall.

Gr. a waste of about 10 hours. piece of stinking shit.

Michael Gilbert

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Nov 29, 2002, 5:50:09 PM11/29/02
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In article <4b9d266b64st...@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling
Having spent 3 hours getting a USB card working in a Win98 box the other
night, this rings very true. Not having the CAB file in question on
*any* Win98 CD was a bad start, and driverguide.com had a wide selection
of the wrong bits. Mind you, I don't think the Stella was helping...
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charles.hope

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Nov 29, 2002, 1:25:08 PM11/29/02
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In article <7499ac35.02112...@posting.google.com>,

Castle even mention part-exchange on going bigger


Dave Cooper

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Nov 29, 2002, 3:23:04 PM11/29/02
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In article <0e3e019...@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew
<jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID<0e3e019...@xl-cambridge.com>
wrote:

>
> but podule SCSI cards will probably be slower than the mobo IDE i/f in
> an Iyonix.
>
> John
>

My only podule card is a SCSI card. The main advantages I see are the easy
transfer of all my files - mainly thousands of jpegs and Compo ones - to a
much larger and faster IDE harddisc. Once I'd transfered around 6gigs of
SCSI stuff those drives would just be used for backup.

Keeping my older SCSI CDRom drives - if only to play audio CDs - freeing up
the CDWriter for other uses.

SCSI is also important to me as my flatbed scanner is SCSI.

Regards, Dave C.

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On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:32:31 +0000 (GMT)
Ray Dawson <R...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>
> I have two USB mice here which are PS2 ones plugged into a convertor.
> I'm not sure if there are any USB only mice around.

I have one - a logitech.

Ian Molton

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On 29 Nov 2002 08:00:19 -0800
epy...@nottingham.ac.uk (Robert Richards) wrote:

>
> No. You can still remove the RAM and replace it with a larger module.
> As stated quite sensibly on the Iyonix website, it's going to make
> bugger all difference to the cost of upgrading the RAM (and may even
> save you money cos you can sell the old RAM) and removes the problems
> of mixing different RAM modules.

Nice idea, but have you checked the prices?

RAM goes up **sharply** at 512MB, so 1GB modules are insanely expensive,
compared to 4 256MB modules.

IOW, a 1GB PC is within reach, wheras a 1GB Iyonix isnt.

still, I only have 256MB in this PC, and never have a problem (I use
linux only).

Ian Molton

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On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:11:33 GMT
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

>
> Yes, one slot. I'll be swapping my 128MB for 512MB, or 1G if I'm
> feeling generous. Don't really need more than 256MB for anything I'm
> likely to do, but what the hell.

I assume the maximum meory size for an Iyonix is a theoretical 4GB?

or does it have a 64 bit internal bus and 32+n external, to play highmem
games with?

Anyone know how big the iyonix physical RAM can be? obviously a maximum
of 3 'whole' gigs, as some space will have to be MMIO space, which begs
the question, does this require that you buy a 4GB DIMM and waste a gig?

Martin Dann

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In message <20021129233011...@f2s.com>
Ian Molton <sp...@f2s.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:11:33 GMT
> druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, one slot. I'll be swapping my 128MB for 512MB, or 1G if I'm
> > feeling generous. Don't really need more than 256MB for anything I'm
> > likely to do, but what the hell.
>
> I assume the maximum meory size for an Iyonix is a theoretical 4GB?

The hardware can only support up to 1GB.

Did I say ONLY :-)

> Anyone know how big the iyonix physical RAM can be? obviously a maximum
> of 3 'whole' gigs, as some space will have to be MMIO space, which begs
> the question, does this require that you buy a 4GB DIMM and waste a gig?

With a 4GB dimm, you would waste 3GB

Martin.

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In article <na.fd2ad94b...@argonet.co.uk>, Dave Cooper

<d...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <0e3e019...@xl-cambridge.com>, John Pettigrew
> <jo...@NOT-RELEVANT.headstrong-games.co.uk.INVALID<0e3e019...@xl-cambridge.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > but podule SCSI cards will probably be slower than the mobo IDE
> > i/f in an Iyonix.
> >
> > John
> >

> My only podule card is a SCSI card. The main advantages I see are
> the easy transfer of all my files - mainly thousands of jpegs and
> Compo ones - to a much larger and faster IDE harddisc. Once I'd
> transfered around 6gigs of SCSI stuff those drives would just be
> used for backup.

> Keeping my older SCSI CDRom drives - if only to play audio CDs -
> freeing up the CDWriter for other uses.

> SCSI is also important to me as my flatbed scanner is SCSI.

I'm mildly surprised that Castle (of all people) make no mention
of SCSI anywhere in connection with Iyonix... not even a 32bit
upgrade to the Storm podule. (Though of course, drivers for an
ordinary PCI SCSI card would be even more welcome.)

I'd have thought that a large proportion of the likely users of
a machine like Iyonix would want to hook up existing SCSI
peripherals. I certainly do!

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Ian Molton

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