In article <
mpro.qq1cpz02...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
<
ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 15 Mar, Jim Lesurf wrote in message <
590d91b...@audiomisc.co.uk>:
> > In article <
mpro.qpz69b06...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
> > Fryatt <
ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > This doesn't seem to be obvious from a quick search of the site --
> > > is there a link? There's certainly nothing showing publicly on the
> > > USBDriver component.
> >
> > I'm not sure what you are asking, but is this the page in question?
> >
> >
http://ftpc.iconbar.com/usb/index.html
> >
> > Or do you mean on gitlab? I seem to have trouble with that when using
> > RO, so can't comment on it at present.
> I'm asking about the source, in Git, on GitLab. That is, what would be
> up for inclusion in the OS were a merge to happen. For that, the
> pre-built binaries on Colin's site aren't a lot of use.
All I can say now about that is that Colin has made this comment to me
re the gitlab sources:
] Search usbdriver, ehcidriver, dwcdriver in gitlab projects. click on my
] version and select isochronous branch. They do not have a merge request
] I don't expect them to be accepted.
] If they want any more details they can email me.
cf below.
> > > Has a merge been requested, and if so, what reason did ROOL give for
> > > not proceeding? If they didn't give a reason, I assume that would
> > > have been followed up?
> >
> > TBH I think that Colin gave up on ROOL some time ago. But I've not
> > asked him about the above point, so am guessing.
> You've claimed several times in this thread (not to mention elsewhere)
> that ROOL are the problem. It's a little surprising to now discover that
> you're only "guessing" at this.
My guess was wrt *Colin's* 'reasons'. I think his new comment may indicate
I was correct. Given that ROOL have dismissed, criticised, and ignored his
earlier work *AND* made *NO* progress THEMSELVES with this for a DECADE
I think I can understand his current feelings - as I guess they may be. So,
my 'guess' is that he feels they would simply repeat their past behaviour.
But Colin has now said he can be emailed about the matter. I have no idea
if he will reply, though. That's his business.
> :-(
> ROOL's notes to the recent merge request from John suggest that they
> were sending emails about this back in 2018, which they claim ended with
> an email from them apparently going unanswered. This implies that there
> must have been something that they were working towards. Does the lack
> of response indicate that Colin gave up?
My guess is that Colin has decided that trying to work with ROOL is more of
a bother than it is worth. But this *is* also a guess on my part. Based on
the feeling that the way he and his code was treated by ROOL in the past
would have annoyed me, if I'd have been in his shoes. Although it is indeed
way above my skills to judge the code beyond finding that in practice it
works very well.
And if I'm misrepresnting or misunderstanding, bear in my that I don't
matter. The problem, as I guess, is that ROOL's treatment has made Colin
decide that trying to work with them is a PITA. I can only be very thankful
it hasn't also entirely put him off doing any work on USB Audio.
> If this is ever to move forward, then either John and Colin need to sort
> the remaining problems out (assuming that it's in their gift to do so),
> or we (in the sense of "people who /might/ be able to help") need to
> know exactly what those problems are.
Erm, I'd suggest that ROOL's atitude and behaviour might also need to be
sorted out. I keep coming back to the stark difference:
1) John / Colin -> about a decade of useful access to USB Audio for those
able to get an OS version which includes it.
2) ROOL -> Rejected the above when offerred with critical comments and has
produced NO alternative that works and is in use.
As an aside, I do wonder what ROOL will do when Jason's work comes to fruit
and we have a more capable 32bit ROSS that can handle multiple inputs and
outputs, etc. Something that will make users cry out for better audio
devices... most of which these days are USB.
> Oh, and the source code needs to be accessible, of course; whilst that's
> not public, we're completely helpless.
Yes and no. Some of us can now use USB Audio quite nicely. Because we have
either had the support added by the people who supplied our machine, or -
now - by using Colin's softload. So maybe it is time for ROOL to reconsider
*its* approach both to Colin/John and its own assessment of the need for
USB Audio support. If ROOL want this maybe they should think about mending
*their* fences with others.
If I am making mistakes, then I apologise and accept I'm a dimwit, etc. But
the real problem here isn't me. I'm just one of the users who finds USB
Audio useful. If ROOL wants to work *constructively* with Colin/John on
this then maybe they should consider rethinking their attitude because ROOL
are the ones who still lack USB Audio having rejected it in the past, and
then gone no-where with it.
To start, a sensible email to Colin *might* help. I don't know though,
because I am genuinely guessing. I'm more interested in talking to him
about what he is happy to do when I ask for help. So far as USB Audio is
concerned *I* gave up on ROOL long ago as they plainly have taken no active
interest whilst it has taken over much of audio on other OSs. I really
would welcome being able to change my view on that in future because I can
at that time see a more positive stance from ROOL.
JIm