IYONIX
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Peter Bell <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
Yes, http://www.drobe.co.uk/ has :-)
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Dominic Beesley
<pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
Yes. I was wondering what was putting the wind up DA, a sudden flurry
of slightly unbalanced postings and then silence. Now I think we all
know whats up.
<conspiracy>Now then I wonder where this RISC OS 5 came from and why
are ROL playing such silly buggers...</conspiracy>
If I cancel the order for my heating I might be able to afford one of
those......
Peter Bell
Peter Naulls <pe...@chocky.org> wrote:
> In message <a673ba86...@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com>
> Peter Bell <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
>
> Yes, http://www.drobe.co.uk/ has :-)
Oooo, so it has. I hadn't checked drobe since about midnight!
My feelings about the IYONIX aren't good.
1. I suspect that RO5 is based on the PACE 32-bit development,
bypassing all that ROL have done, and splitting the market.
2. There is probably no 26-bit application compatibility.
3. It mentions PCI graphics, but no further PCI expansion.
4. How many podules will work on the 'fast' podule bus?
5. Should I be cancelling my Omega order?
A lot for speculation at the moment, but I guess that more details
will be made public at the Guildford show.
Liam Gretton
> <conspiracy>Now then I wonder where this RISC OS 5 came from and why
> are ROL playing such silly buggers...</conspiracy>
Maybe Castle have gone straight to Pace and licensed their version of RO?
(Well, as there's bound to be months of uninformed speculation from now
until the launch of Omega and/or Iyonix I thought I'd add to the noise ;-)
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>
> > <conspiracy>Now then I wonder where this RISC OS 5 came from and why
> > are ROL playing such silly buggers...</conspiracy>
>
> Maybe Castle have gone straight to Pace and licensed their version of RO?
>
> (Well, as there's bound to be months of uninformed speculation from now
> until the launch of Omega and/or Iyonix I thought I'd add to the noise ;-)
mind-you, when Castle do hype something, they do usually seem to be pretty
close to release. </me prays>
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Liam Gretton
> In fact some people already have Iyonix machines. ;-)
C'mon Paul, spill some more beans please.
James Sargent
> <conspiracy>Now then I wonder where this RISC OS 5 came from and why
> are ROL playing such silly buggers...</conspiracy>
I'm sure I remeber ROL saying that RISC OS 4.x would be 26 bit and RISC
OS 5.x the "brand name" for any 32 bit version.
Almost certainly it's from Pace's work on RO.
I quite like some of the stuff I have from Select and don't want to go
'back' to something that looks like RO3.7, though!
Anyway, this'll put the cats amongst the pidgeons, for sure.
James
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It has been on AP On-line since it was first announced - even though the
magazine hasn't officially started yet!
http://www.aponline.co.uk
More details in Acorn Publisher at the end of the month.
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John Cartmell
<pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> In message <7523bd86...@moo.chocky.org> Peter Naulls
> <pe...@chocky.org> wrote:
> > In message <a673ba86...@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com> Peter Bell
> > <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
> >
> > Yes, http://www.drobe.co.uk/ has :-)
> Oooo, so it has. I hadn't checked drobe since about midnight!
> My feelings about the IYONIX aren't good.
> 1. I suspect that RO5 is based on the PACE 32-bit development, bypassing
> all that ROL have done, and splitting the market. 2. There is probably
> no 26-bit application compatibility. 3. It mentions PCI graphics, but no
> further PCI expansion. 4. How many podules will work on the 'fast'
> podule bus? 5. Should I be cancelling my Omega order?
There's a lot that's not said so don't speculate from the gaps. The only
decision worth making from the info so far is that something is happening
and software developers should be a little happier that something is
happening.
> A lot for speculation at the moment, but I guess that more details will
> be made public at the Guildford show.
There should be plenty made public at Guildford and it will be worthwhile
'doing the rounds'.
John Cartmell
Paul Vigay <nos...@segfault.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <7523bd86...@moo.chocky.org>,
> Peter Naulls <pe...@chocky.org> wrote:
> > Yes, http://www.drobe.co.uk/ has :-)
> > Visit and keep up with latest news.
> Do keep up! :-)
> www.riscos.org had it up 5 minutes before Drobe! :-))
So if you'll post the time after midnight in minutes and seconds ... ;-)
Ian Molton
> Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
No, but, um... er. wow.
Watch out microdigital...
Of course, this could just e an attempt to kill MD sales with no actual
product.
Why cant these things be READY when announced?
Dominic Beesley
wrote:
>In article <20021017112656...@f2s.com>,
> Ian Molton <sp...@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> Why cant these things be READY when announced?
>
>I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised in that department. So much so
>that if I were you I'd make sure I'd be at the Southeast show on 2nd Nov.
But should he bring his chequebook and how large to make the
overdraft?
Diehard Duck
LOL.
Never having been to an Acorn show I hope to be attending. It's just down
the M4 too which helps. I'll be wearing the large duck suit and carrying an
automatic weapon of some description :)
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Kell Gatherer
> Of course, this could just e an attempt to kill MD sales with no actual
> product.
CJE have had one for a while (not in stock yet, however).
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Liam Gretton <l...@star.le.ac.uk> wrote:
> > In fact some people already have Iyonix machines. ;-)
> C'mon Paul, spill some more beans please.
When I called CJE this morning, I wasn't sworn to secrecy, so here's what
I was told:
Risc OS 5 (which Castle presumably have licensed from Pace) is 32-bit, and
will run 32-bit 'aware' apps, such as Ovation Pro etc. Older apps which
have not been re-compiled will need a line added to their !Run-file which
will make it run in an emulator. The emulator is 'mostly working'.
...and they've had one on the bench for a while, but they're not in stock
yet ;-)
...but they will be soon, no pricing yet, don't know about availability.
Castle's previous record would indicate that they'll have machines for
sale at the SE show.
Disclaimer: that last sentence was pure conjecture (mine), and the rest is
hearsay.
Sounds good, though, huh?
Michael Gerbracht
> Dominic Beesley wrote:
> > <conspiracy>Now then I wonder where this RISC OS 5 came from and why are
> > ROL playing such silly buggers...</conspiracy>
> I'm sure I remeber ROL saying that RISC OS 4.x would be 26 bit and RISC OS
> 5.x the "brand name" for any 32 bit version.
> Almost certainly it's from Pace's work on RO.
Yes, but there are at least two questions:
1) Is Pace/Castle allowed to sell a desktop version of RISC OS? I thought
RISCOS Ltd. are the only one in this business
2) Are they allowed to call it "RISC OS 5"? If they would call it Castle OS
or RISC OS 2003 or something I would guess that it has nothing to do with
RISCOS Ltd.
So I won't exclude that this version comes from RISCOS Ltd. or Caslte itself.
Michael
Michael Gerbracht
> My feelings about the IYONIX aren't good.
> 1. I suspect that RO5 is based on the PACE 32-bit development,
> bypassing all that ROL have done, and splitting the market.
I agree that wouldn't be good but it is not sure that it is the Pace version.
> 2. There is probably no 26-bit application compatibility.
That could be a big problem.
> 3. It mentions PCI graphics, but no further PCI expansion.
The website says that it has 66 MHz PCI so I guess it has some expansion
ports. And I think if you do implement PCI it is no problem to offer more
than one port. So it won't make much sense to offer only one port for the
graphics card.
> 4. How many podules will work on the 'fast' podule bus?
I think that the Risc PC podule bus was faster that those of the Archimedes
machines. SO I guess that isn't a big problem
> 5. Should I be cancelling my Omega order?
I have ordered an Omega, too and I don't regret that now (as long as the
Castle machine isn't available for 500 Pound - but I don't believe that :-)
Michael
Liam Gretton
> Risc OS 5 (which Castle presumably have licensed from Pace) is 32-bit, and
> will run 32-bit 'aware' apps, such as Ovation Pro etc. Older apps which
> have not been re-compiled will need a line added to their !Run-file which
> will make it run in an emulator. The emulator is 'mostly working'.
Good for them.
[snip]
> Sounds good, though, huh?
Sounds excellent! I guess I might have to flex the CC on a new machine
after all... I'll have a serious think when the full specs are announced.
Peter Bell
"Diehard Duck" <die...@nospam.userve.co.uk> wrote:
> Never having been to an Acorn show I hope to be attending. It's just down
> the M4 too which helps.
That's strange! I live just 500 yards from the M4, but I won't be
using it on my 29 mile journey to Guildford.
James Sargent
> Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
What's the correct pronunciation of the new machine's name?
eye-on-icks
ee-yon-icks
We must be told!
James
Robert N Hunter
In message <20021017112656...@f2s.com>
Ian Molton <sp...@f2s.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:38:54 +0100
> Peter Bell <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
>
> No, but, um... er. wow.
>
> Watch out microdigital...
>
> Of course, this could just e an attempt to kill MD sales with no actual
> product.
Er, no. As far as I am aware, the Omega is not yet for sale and no date
for so doing is in the public domain. How long is it since Microdigital
started taking deposits? I cannot remember precisely but I believe that
it exceeds two years.
>
> Why cant these things be READY when announced?
Hopefully, the RISCOS community will find itself able to purchase the
machine in the reasonably near future.
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Diehard Duck
> In message <aom579$ir8$1...@venus.btinternet.com>
> "Diehard Duck" <die...@nospam.userve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Never having been to an Acorn show I hope to be attending. It's just
>> down the M4 too which helps.
>
> That's strange! I live just 500 yards from the M4, but I won't be
> using it on my 29 mile journey to Guildford.
Normally I would take the train so I could 'have a few' in a pub afterwards,
but I don't know anyone who's going and drinking alone is no fun :(
--
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Peter Bell
Kell Gatherer <nos...@locsource.com> wrote:
> Risc OS 5 (which Castle presumably have licensed from Pace) is 32-bit, and
> will run 32-bit 'aware' apps, such as Ovation Pro etc. Older apps which
> have not been re-compiled will need a line added to their !Run-file which
> will make it run in an emulator. The emulator is 'mostly working'.
What we don't have any information about is the clock speed of the
XScale. I wonder what performance we will see from old 26-bit apps
run under the 'emulator'.
> ...and they've had one on the bench for a while, but they're not in stock
> yet ;-)
>
> ...but they will be soon, no pricing yet, don't know about availability.
>
> Castle's previous record would indicate that they'll have machines for
> sale at the SE show.
Like you and others, I suspect that there will be some of these
machines available for purchase at the show - Castle do have a pretty
good record for making products available on, or very soon after,
announcement. Excepting Oregano2, of course! :(
> Disclaimer: that last sentence was pure conjecture (mine), and the rest is
> hearsay.
>
> Sounds good, though, huh?
I reserve judgement until I see full specs, prices and a working
machine. I still have one Castle 100Mbit ethernet card which doesn't
perform as well as another company's product (in my own experience)!
Mark Quint
> machine. I still have one Castle 100Mbit ethernet card which doesn't
> perform as well as another company's product (in my own experience)!
Castle claim that its supposed to "fast" podule bus, so presuming you
have a podule card could this run faster on this machine? :o
Acorn Publisher magazine
<die...@nospam.userve.co.uk> made this comment having previously written:
[I'll be wearing the large duck suit and carrying an automatic weapon of
some description]
> Normally I would take the train so I could 'have a few' in a pub
> afterwards, but I don't know anyone who's going and drinking alone is no
> fun :(
Dressed like that I'd imagine there would be few volunteers to accompany
you to a pub! ;-)
[must make sure I take my camera though ...
Acorn Publisher magazine
> eye-on-icks
> ee-yon-icks
> We must be told!
We asked. The former.
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Diehard Duck
> In article <aom8d5$k7p$1...@knossos.btinternet.com>, Diehard Duck
> <die...@nospam.userve.co.uk> made this comment having previously
> written:
>
> [I'll be wearing the large duck suit and carrying an automatic weapon
> of some description]
>
>> Normally I would take the train so I could 'have a few' in a pub
>> afterwards, but I don't know anyone who's going and drinking alone
>> is no fun :(
>
> Dressed like that I'd imagine there would be few volunteers to
> accompany you to a pub! ;-)
>
> [must make sure I take my camera though ...
LOL
--
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James Sargent
> My understanding is that it's pronounced eye-on-icks (as in Ion, IX)
A nice play on Atoms, Electrons and Protons, I'm sure.
James
Philip Ludlam
James Sargent <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>Peter Bell wrote:
>> Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
>
>What's the correct pronunciation of the new machine's name?
>
>eye-on-icks
>ee-yon-icks
I think it's eye-on-icks
That sounds much better than ee-yon-icks IMHO.
Yours,
Phil L.
Matthias Seifert
> >Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
> Yes. I was wondering what was putting the wind up DA, a sudden flurry
> of slightly unbalanced postings and then silence. Now I think we all
> know whats up.
What I really would like to know is, if MicroDigital knew about this
Iyonix when they raised the price for the Omega.
Oh, and I would also like to know if the Iyonix is only available with the
case displayed there (or in fact, if this really is the case of the
Iyonix). The 4 external drive bays deveinitely wouldn't be enough for me
(in the long term at least).
Oh, and a mention of the price would have helped. But well, maybe I win
one. ;-)
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druck
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:38:54 +0100 Peter Bell <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
>
> No, but, um... er. wow.
>
> Watch out microdigital...
>
> Of course, this could just e an attempt to kill MD sales with no actual
> product.
Well unless this very very large box on the doorstep is entirely packaging,
I'll let you know.
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Stuart Halliday
Liam Gretton <l...@star.le.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Paul Vigay wrote:
>
> > In fact some people already have Iyonix machines. ;-)
>
> C'mon Paul, spill some more beans please.
He's probably signed a NDA.
Castle had a big meeting on the 7th Oct where their 'Tungsten' project was
shown off. The machine exists. It just needs some software to work on it.
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Paul Shayler
<pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> writes
>In message <aom579$ir8$1...@venus.btinternet.com>
> "Diehard Duck" <die...@nospam.userve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Never having been to an Acorn show I hope to be attending. It's just down
>> the M4 too which helps.
>
>That's strange! I live just 500 yards from the M4, but I won't be
>using it on my 29 mile journey to Guildford.
>
Regards, Paul S.
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Mark
Philip Ludlam <ne...@philipnet.com> wrote:
> On 17 Oct in message <3DAEA364...@127.0.0.1>
> James Sargent <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> >Peter Bell wrote:
> >> Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
> >
> >What's the correct pronunciation of the new machine's name?
> >
> >eye-on-icks
> >ee-yon-icks
>
> I think it's eye-on-icks
Hopefully to sound like eyes on sticks, i.e. M$ users to be wowed by the
speed and beauty ;-) so that their eyes pop out!!
> That sounds much better than ee-yon-icks IMHO.
>
> Yours,
>
> Phil L.
>
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Annraoi
> On 17 Oct, Dominic Beesley <dom...@brahms.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:38:54 +0100, Peter Bell
> > <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > >Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
>
> > Yes. I was wondering what was putting the wind up DA, a sudden flurry
> > of slightly unbalanced postings and then silence. Now I think we all
> > know whats up.
>
> What I really would like to know is, if MicroDigital knew about this
> Iyonix when they raised the price for the Omega.
>
> Oh, and I would also like to know if the Iyonix is only available with the
> case displayed there (or in fact, if this really is the case of the
> Iyonix). The 4 external drive bays deveinitely wouldn't be enough for me
> (in the long term at least).
>
> Oh, and a mention of the price would have helped. But well, maybe I win
> one. ;-)
Best of luck chum, hope you do !
In this instance I really don't mind saving, and look they DON'T ask
for a deposit before release (!)
This is for real isn't it ?
My only semi-gripe is that darned PCI, but at least its a slightly
newer variant (66MHz). As I've said elsewhere (about Omega) the big
problem with PCI is that new drivers will be required often just in
order to use common hardware already available in podule format (hang
on the site also mentioned "Fast Podule" you don't suppose castle have
"squared the circle" and provided both PCI and a Faster Podule bus
implementation).
I think my long trip to the South East show may be of greater interest
than I already thought....
Regards
Annraoi
Tim Powys-Lybbe
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 17 Oct 2002 Ian Molton <sp...@f2s.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:38:54 +0100 Peter Bell <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
> >
> > No, but, um... er. wow.
> >
> > Watch out microdigital...
> >
> > Of course, this could just e an attempt to kill MD sales with no actual
> > product.
>
> Well unless this very very large box on the doorstep is entirely packaging,
> I'll let you know.
It's 10 to 9, I've eaten and I'm about to log on again. I do hope my
curiosity will be satisfied...
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Matthias Seifert
[...]
> In this instance I really don't mind saving, and look they DON'T ask
> for a deposit before release (!)
> This is for real isn't it ?
I have heard of several people who already used it - and know of at least
one who claims to already own one...
> My only semi-gripe is that darned PCI, but at least its a slightly
> newer variant (66MHz). As I've said elsewhere (about Omega) the big
> problem with PCI is that new drivers will be required often just in
> order to use common hardware already available in podule format
Well, how much is that. I don't think that anyone is going to use his old
IDE interface with that new machine - and with SCSI a PCI card surely
would make sense (should help to speed things up a bit). Leaves only the
few more specialised cards, e.g. digitisers, or multi-serialport-cards,
but then there is:
> (hang on the site also mentioned "Fast Podule" you don't suppose castle
> have "squared the circle" and provided both PCI and a Faster Podule bus
> implementation).
AFAIK this is exactly what they did.
> I think my long trip to the South East show may be of greater interest
> than I already thought....
If only it were not that far away from here... :-\
Simon John
[prnounciation]
> > eye-on-icks
> > ee-yon-icks
> I think it's eye-on-icks
Ion-IX from what I've heard, although I prefer I-yonix.
Maybe it runs RiscBSD too, so is really prounced U-NIX? ;o)
Neil Spellings
>>> Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
>
>> What's the correct pronunciation of the new machine's name?
>
>> eye-on-icks
>> ee-yon-icks
>
> reserve the right to be totally wrong! :-)
You are correct., Paul.
Regards,
/Neil/
www.spellings.net
Ian Molton
a...@globalcafe.ie (Annraoi) wrote:
>
> My only semi-gripe is that darned PCI,
you ARE kidding, right?
Robin May
> My only semi-gripe is that darned PCI, but at least its a slightly
> newer variant (66MHz).
This is ridiculous. What on earth do you propose in its place? PCI is
one of the things RISC OS machines need the most.
--
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"A view without a room unveils the truth so soon" (or so they say)
Daniel Ellis
<URL:mailto:M.Se...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On 17 Oct, Dominic Beesley <dom...@brahms.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:38:54 +0100, Peter Bell
> > <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > >Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
>
> > Yes. I was wondering what was putting the wind up DA, a sudden flurry
> > of slightly unbalanced postings and then silence. Now I think we all
> > know whats up.
>
> What I really would like to know is, if MicroDigital knew about this
> Iyonix when they raised the price for the Omega.
>
> Oh, and I would also like to know if the Iyonix is only available with the
> case displayed there (or in fact, if this really is the case of the
> Iyonix). The 4 external drive bays deveinitely wouldn't be enough for me
> (in the long term at least).
You can do a lot with external USB devices, and this machine looks easily
capable of doing USB 2.0 speeds.
--
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mailto:d...@pod51.demon.co.uk
Daniel Ellis
<URL:mailto:a...@globalcafe.ie> wrote:
>
> My only semi-gripe is that darned PCI, but at least its a slightly
> newer variant (66MHz). As I've said elsewhere (about Omega) the big
> problem with PCI is that new drivers will be required often just in
> order to use common hardware already available in podule format (hang
> on the site also mentioned "Fast Podule" you don't suppose castle have
> "squared the circle" and provided both PCI and a Faster Podule bus
> implementation).
Eh? What are you on about. It quite clearly states that there are both
podule (with fast variant) and PCI slots available. Goodness knows how it'll
fit physically in the case though...
There's also the slight problem that nearly all (cheap) PC PCI cards assume
they're on a 33MHz, 32bit bus, whereas the XScale is quite fond of 64 bits
accesses. This might pose some problems...
Andrew Pinder
"Peter Bell" <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote
[snip]
> My feelings about the IYONIX aren't good.
>
> 1. I suspect that RO5 is based on the PACE 32-bit development,
> bypassing all that ROL have done, and splitting the market.
> 2. There is probably no 26-bit application compatibility.
> 3. It mentions PCI graphics, but no further PCI expansion.
> 4. How many podules will work on the 'fast' podule bus?
> 5. Should I be cancelling my Omega order?
>
> A lot for speculation at the moment, but I guess that more details
> will be made public at the Guildford show.
There's remarkably little actual information on the IYONIX website besides a
brief hardware spec. Is this the new way of selling computers?
Andrew Pinder
Andrew Hill
in <J41BqwBk...@g6tsf.demon.co.uk>
Paul Shayler <pa...@g6tsf.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Probably doesn't matter - I presume he's flying there...
Best wishes,
Drew
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John Cartmell
<andrew...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> There's remarkably little actual information on the IYONIX website
> besides a brief hardware spec. Is this the new way of selling computers?
With all the interest they have aroused here it looks like it might be a
good way!
Diehard Duck
Back in the day when Cadbury's Creme Eggs were the size of real eggs,
Robin May tapped upon a keyboard and decided to tell us:
> Annraoi wrote:
>> My only semi-gripe is that darned PCI, but at least its a slightly
>> newer variant (66MHz).
>
> This is ridiculous. What on earth do you propose in its place? PCI is
> one of the things RISC OS machines need the most.
Excuse my technical ignorance, but am I right in thinking that you could
plug just about any PCI card in and, so long as you are willing to write
drivers/someone else has, you can use it? If so, what's the downside? I
can't see one...
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Neil Spellings
> Excuse my technical ignorance, but am I right in thinking that you
> could plug just about any PCI card in and, so long as you are willing
> to write drivers/someone else has, you can use it?
Correct.
> If so, what's the
> downside? I can't see one...
The "writing drivers" part :-/
Most PCI card manufacturers wont disclose their card details, which either
means using existing Linux code ported to RISC OS, or reverse-engineering!
Regards,
/Neil/
www.spellings.net
Ben Harris
Simon John <si...@suit-u-sir.com> wrote:
>Ion-IX from what I've heard, although I prefer I-yonix.
>
>Maybe it runs RiscBSD too, so is really prounced U-NIX? ;o)
If it doesn't run it already, it will once I get my hands on one.
[ Of course, it's officially called NetBSD/acorn32 these days... ]
--
Ben Harris
Unix Support, University of Cambridge Computing Service.
If I wanted to speak for the University, I'd be in ucam.comp-serv.announce.
druck
> In article <dab3e751.02101...@posting.google.com>, Annraoi
> <URL:mailto:a...@globalcafe.ie> wrote:
> >
> > My only semi-gripe is that darned PCI, but at least its a slightly
> > newer variant (66MHz). As I've said elsewhere (about Omega) the big
> > problem with PCI is that new drivers will be required often just in
> > order to use common hardware already available in podule format (hang
> > on the site also mentioned "Fast Podule" you don't suppose castle have
> > "squared the circle" and provided both PCI and a Faster Podule bus
> > implementation).
>
> Eh? What are you on about. It quite clearly states that there are both
> podule (with fast variant) and PCI slots available. Goodness knows how it'll
> fit physically in the case though...
On the ATX mini tower case, 4 PCI slots at the bottom, vertically mounted
standard connections next to two vertical podule slots, PSU at the top.
Michael Gilbert
bullshit and meaningless numbers, the better.
"Does it do what I need it to do?" is the first question
"Does it do it better than anything else?" is the second.
Qualifiers about price, price/performance, TCO, ROI and lots of other
gubbins can be added to the latter.
--
Michael Gilbert: in his own write
MALIGNITY
Matthias Seifert
> **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****
> Back in the day when Cadbury's Creme Eggs were the size of real eggs,
> Robin May tapped upon a keyboard and decided to tell us:
> > Annraoi wrote:
> >> My only semi-gripe is that darned PCI, but at least its a slightly
> >> newer variant (66MHz).
> >
> > This is ridiculous. What on earth do you propose in its place? PCI is
> > one of the things RISC OS machines need the most.
> Excuse my technical ignorance, but am I right in thinking that you could
> plug just about any PCI card in and, so long as you are willing to write
> drivers/someone else has, you can use it? If so, what's the downside? I
> can't see one...
The downside of PCI is
a) you can't use your "old" podules with it
b) it's hard to develope your own cards
And b) is a real problem for companies who want to use the machine for
special tasks. Thinking about that, Millipede springs to mind
immediately...
Matthias Seifert
[...]
> > It quite clearly states that there are both podule (with fast variant)
> > and PCI slots available. Goodness knows how it'll fit physically in
> > the case though...
> On the ATX mini tower case, 4 PCI slots at the bottom, vertically mounted
> standard connections next to two vertical podule slots, PSU at the top.
Hmmm, does the motherboard only provide these two PCI slots, or does it
have more and there is just not more space in the Mini Tower?
Two PCI slots seems not to be that much if one is already used by the
graphics card...
Matthias Seifert
> > Oh, and I would also like to know if the Iyonix is only available with
> > the case displayed there (or in fact, if this really is the case of
> > the Iyonix). The 4 external drive bays deveinitely wouldn't be enough
> > for me (in the long term at least).
> Oh gawd, I wondered how long it would be before you picked fault.
Is that a fault? Not really.
> I've just been catching up on two weeks of news and I've read hundreds
> of posts from you on how you don't want another 26bit machine and it
> must be 32bit RISC OS 5 HAL etc, etc, etc.
Do you remember the postings I did over one year ago? Do you realize that what I was describing then was just what Iyonix is (pure 32-bit, PCI and podule, RISC OS 5, network on-board, and so on)? The only unanswered question I see, is whether they really did what I suggested and got RISC OS 5 directly from Pace...
And I remember that someone claimed that this _never_ will happen, if only I could remember the name of that someone... :-P
> You should be chewing Castle's ARM off.
Well, unfortunately noone asked me if I wantend a developer machine. :-(
Because if one did, I definitely would already own one.
> And to answer your question there probably will be a range of cases
> available as they are ATX with a slight modification for podule slots.
> The one I have hear has 2 external 5.25" bays (1 free), 2 external 3"
> bays (1 free) one internal 3.5" bay (used). 2 Free PCI slots and 2 free
> podule slots.
Well, as I see it I will have to have a closer look which modification it
takes for the podule slots - and if I am able to do that to an standard
case. I don't think that it is a huge problem - and then I can chose from
the thousands of ATX cases out there. :-)
James Sargent
> There's remarkably little actual information on the IYONIX website
> besides a brief hardware spec. Is this the new way of selling
> computers?
I expect the advertising industry call it a "teaser" or some such thing.
It arouses interest and gets people talking - it generates "excitement"
at the prospect of something to come. They keep you baited with little
snippets of information until the time that it's actually released -
then you'll be in such a frenzy of excitement that you rush out to buy it.
James
James Sargent
> Well, unfortunately noone asked me if I wantend a developer machine. :-(
> Because if one did, I definitely would already own one.
Should !SICK run on this new machine?
The results would surely be interesting.
James
Dominic Beesley
There are so many Linux drivers about now with well written source
that this shouldnt be as much of a problem as in the past. Some
hardware manufacturers are becoming a bit more grown up and are
realeasing specs realising it saves them a lot of time and effort in
writing bad drivers.
Dom
Dominic Beesley
wrote:
>On 17 Oct 2002 Matthias Seifert <M.Se...@t-online.de> wrote:
>> Oh, and I would also like to know if the Iyonix is only available with the
>> case displayed there (or in fact, if this really is the case of the
>> Iyonix). The 4 external drive bays deveinitely wouldn't be enough for me
>> (in the long term at least).
>
>Oh gawd, I wondered how long it would be before you picked fault.
It doesnt take long.
>
>I've just been catching up on two weeks of news and I've read hundreds of
>posts from you on how you don't want another 26bit machine and it must be
>32bit RISC OS 5 HAL etc, etc, etc. You should be chewing Castle's ARM off.
I'm seriously thinking of doinig without heating this winter
boiler/iyonix/boiler/iyonix/boiler/iyonix....
>
>And to answer your question there probably will be a range of cases available
>as they are ATX with a slight modification for podule slots. The one I have
>hear has 2 external 5.25" bays (1 free), 2 external 3" bays (1 free) one
>internal 3.5" bay (used). 2 Free PCI slots and 2 free podule slots.
>
As you seem to have one (I assume you've got more than just that case)
I am intrigued to know what happens when you plug an old podule into
the new 32bit machine? Does it use the emulator to run the podule ROM?
Or will we need to do a bit of patching and softloading?
Welcome back and hope you had a good time.
Dom
Liam Gretton
> On 18 Oct, druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
> > On the ATX mini tower case, 4 PCI slots at the bottom, vertically mounted
> > standard connections next to two vertical podule slots, PSU at the top.
>
> Two PCI slots seems not to be that much if one is already used by the
> graphics card...
C'mon Matthias, it looks like you're just stirring now. Druck said *4* PCI
slots.
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University of Leicester, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464
Diehard Duck
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Matthias Seifert wrote:
>
>> On 18 Oct, druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On the ATX mini tower case, 4 PCI slots at the bottom, vertically
>>> mounted standard connections next to two vertical podule slots, PSU
>>> at the top.
>>
>> Two PCI slots seems not to be that much if one is already used by the
>> graphics card...
>
> C'mon Matthias, it looks like you're just stirring now. Druck said
> *4* PCI slots.
And...I wonder whether one of those is actually used by the graphics card.
It says PCI graphics BUT there is a good possibility that the graphics card
is on-board. I would certainly expect this.
--
Šiehard ŠuēK
Samuel Kock
> Paul Vigay wrote:
>> My understanding is that it's pronounced eye-on-icks (as in Ion, IX)
IT makes me think of Xonix, the game from the 80's. You know, the one where
you are a dot and you have to close the areas off with lines?? And you need
a certain area to progress??? Remember??? :-)
Samuel Kock
Matthias Seifert
I am quite sure that it is a graphics _card_. Druck surely could tell us
which one it actually is. :-)
Matthias Seifert
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Matthias Seifert wrote:
> > On 18 Oct, druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On the ATX mini tower case, 4 PCI slots at the bottom, vertically
> > > mounted standard connections next to two vertical podule slots, PSU
> > > at the top.
> >
> > Two PCI slots seems not to be that much if one is already used by the
> > graphics card...
> C'mon Matthias, it looks like you're just stirring now. Druck said *4*
> PCI slots.
Ups. :-( What was I reading then?
Sorry, definitely my fault. :-}
Matthias Seifert
> Matthias Seifert wrote:
> > Well, unfortunately noone asked me if I wantend a developer machine. :-(
> > Because if one did, I definitely would already own one.
> Should !SICK run on this new machine?
Not yet, but I'm working on it.
> The results would surely be interesting.
Definitely. :-)
Matthias Seifert
Bah, for me they definitely don't have to do such a thing. Just tell me
where to order it and how much I have to hand over. :-)
Matthias Seifert
[...]
> >Most PCI card manufacturers wont disclose their card details, which
> >either means using existing Linux code ported to RISC OS, or
> >reverse-engineering!
> There are so many Linux drivers about now with well written source
> that this shouldnt be as much of a problem as in the past. Some
> hardware manufacturers are becoming a bit more grown up and are
> realeasing specs realising it saves them a lot of time and effort in
> writing bad drivers.
And some manufacturers even realise that the Linux market really is a
market...
Samuel Kock
> Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
Ha-ha, isn't it ironic.... A RISCOS machine with "Intel Inside" <fx> Intel
sound thingie </fx> (Which seems to accompany any mention of the word Intel
thesedays)
Samuel Kock
Reg Hems
In article <4b86d4a0...@segfault.co.uk> Paul Vigay wrote:
> In article <3DAEA364...@127.0.0.1> James Sargent wrote:
>> What's the correct pronunciation of the new machine's name?
>> eye-on-icks
>> ee-yon-icks
> My understanding is that it's pronounced eye-on-icks (as in Ion, IX) but
> I've not actually heard anyone from Castle pronounce it, so I reserve the
> right to be totally wrong! :-)
Nah.... It is ee-joh-nix
Iyonix ee-joh-nix
Asterix as-teh-rix
Obélix o-bay-lix
Idéefix ee-day-fix
Caconofix ca-co-no-fix
Vercingétorix ver-sehn-jay-to-rix
......
......
Iyonix was one of this band of intrepid warriors from Gaul forever beating
the shit out of the Romans.
* Confucius say, "War never determine who's right, just who's left"
--
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BBC B Micro Iss.3&7 \_
Atomwide Serial board \_
Diamond SupraExpress 56 \_
ARM3 PC A420 IDE-SCSI 8Mb \_
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Chris Evans
<URL:mailto:M.Se...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On 18 Oct, Diehard Duck <die...@userve.co.uk> wrote:
> > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****
>
> > Back in the day when Cadbury's Creme Eggs were the size of real eggs,
> > Robin May tapped upon a keyboard and decided to tell us:
>
> > > Annraoi wrote:
> > >> My only semi-gripe is that darned PCI, but at least its a slightly
> > >> newer variant (66MHz).
> > >
> > > This is ridiculous. What on earth do you propose in its place? PCI is
> > > one of the things RISC OS machines need the most.
>
> > Excuse my technical ignorance, but am I right in thinking that you could
> > plug just about any PCI card in and, so long as you are willing to write
> > drivers/someone else has, you can use it? If so, what's the downside? I
> > can't see one...
>
> The downside of PCI is
>
> a) you can't use your "old" podules with it
>
> b) it's hard to develope your own cards
>
Did you not spot the bit saying it supported podules?
Any firmware on a podule would have to be 32bit of course!
> And b) is a real problem for companies who want to use the machine for
> special tasks. Thinking about that, Millipede springs to mind
> immediately...
>
Chris Evans
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Chris Evans
<URL:mailto:M.Se...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On 18 Oct, Diehard Duck <die...@nospam.userve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Liam Gretton chose to tell us:
> > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Matthias Seifert wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 18 Oct, druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On the ATX mini tower case, 4 PCI slots at the bottom, vertically
> > >>> mounted standard connections next to two vertical podule slots, PSU
> > >>> at the top.
> > >>
> > >> Two PCI slots seems not to be that much if one is already used by the
> > >> graphics card...
> > >
> > > C'mon Matthias, it looks like you're just stirring now. Druck said
> > > *4* PCI slots.
>
> > And...I wonder whether one of those is actually used by the graphics
> > card. It says PCI graphics BUT there is a good possibility that the
> > graphics card is on-board. I would certainly expect this.
>
> I am quite sure that it is a graphics _card_. Druck surely could tell us
> which one it actually is. :-)
I think you will find that druck has signed an NDA so can't:-(
Sebastian Maus
> And some manufacturers even realise that the Linux market really is a
> market...
Indeed. Funnily, there are even Linux drivers nowadays for devices
called WinModems. Binary only, I'm afraid, but nonetheless working.
Bye,
-S-
--
Ralph Corderoy
> I'm seriously thinking of doinig without heating this winter
> boiler/iyonix/boiler/iyonix/boiler/iyonix....
Boiler. Having been there and done that, being without heating, even in
the mild south of England, is no fun. Ever tried typing with fingers
painful from the cold? Plus the subsequent damage that comes along,
like mould in furnishings, etc., just makes it more expensive in the
long run.
Ultimately, I'd choose heating and no computer for the next six months
as long as I had a good stock of reading material. Just think of all
that free time with no Usenet!
Ralph.
Roger Hume
"Ralph Corderoy" <ra...@inputplus.co.uk> wrote in message
news:14e5.3daf...@blake.inputplus.co.uk...
Colin Granville
If Iyonix had been a PC however you could have just plumbed it in
and have the best of both worlds :-)
--
Colin
Peter Bell
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> I think you will find that druck has signed an NDA so can't:-(
I'll happily sign an NDA if they let me have an Iyonix! I would even
make sure that my commercial s/w runs on it. Ah, but I do remember
seeing a competetive s/w product in the Castle price list - at a much
higher price! Maybe they won't be so keen. :(
--
Peter Bell - pe...@bellfamily.org.uk
Robert Richards
> In message <4b86ce24...@locsource.com>
> Kell Gatherer <nos...@locsource.com> wrote:
>
> > Risc OS 5 (which Castle presumably have licensed from Pace) is 32-bit, and
> > will run 32-bit 'aware' apps, such as Ovation Pro etc. Older apps which
> > have not been re-compiled will need a line added to their !Run-file which
> > will make it run in an emulator. The emulator is 'mostly working'.
>
> What we don't have any information about is the clock speed of the
> XScale. I wonder what performance we will see from old 26-bit apps
> run under the 'emulator'.
>
I don't think it'll matter that much TBH. It's only going to be
required until apps get updated by their authors
As an aside, I'm quite pleased to see that the Iyonix website makes no
mention of "Acorn" and Castles website now has "Acorn computers" and
"Iyonix RISC OS PC". Kind of like a clean break.
Nicely presented too. I just hope I win the competition for a free
machine! :-)
Robert
Robert Richards
> On 17 Oct, James Sargent <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > Dominic Beesley wrote:
> > > <conspiracy>Now then I wonder where this RISC OS 5 came from and why are
> > > ROL playing such silly buggers...</conspiracy>
>
> > I'm sure I remeber ROL saying that RISC OS 4.x would be 26 bit and RISC OS
> > 5.x the "brand name" for any 32 bit version.
>
> > Almost certainly it's from Pace's work on RO.
>
> Yes, but there are at least two questions:
>
> 1) Is Pace/Castle allowed to sell a desktop version of RISC OS? I thought
> RISCOS Ltd. are the only one in this business
>
> 2) Are they allowed to call it "RISC OS 5"? If they would call it Castle OS
> or RISC OS 2003 or something I would guess that it has nothing to do with
> RISCOS Ltd.
>
> So I won't exclude that this version comes from RISCOS Ltd. or Caslte itself.
>
If you look at ROLs latest annual report, it states that they made
something in the region of 45,000ukp from "contract work" IIRC. I
remember reading that and thinking "What the hell?". Maybe this is
that work...
Just a thought.
Robert
Robert Richards
> Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
<Drool>
DDR RAM. PCI. UDMA100. XScale. Sensible case. Podules for those that
want them.
And it exists.
And it works.
And it doesn't mention Acorn.
:-0
Somebody pinch me.
</Drool>
Want one.
And it looks like someone in the RISC OS market has finally learnt
something about marketing. Teasers. Swish website... The works.
Is it going to have an "Intel Inside" sticker? :-)
Is it going to available from the box shifter chains as well as the
more personal dealers?
Is it going to attract major software developers?
Could this become the British version of Apple?
Here's to hoping all of the above!
Robert
[More drooling]
James Sargent
> I don't think it'll matter that much TBH. It's only going to be
> required until apps get updated by their authors
Which, in the case of a lot of apps on my machine (Impression, Browse,
Sibelius, Oregano) is unlikely to happen.
James
Dominic Beesley
>
>As an aside, I'm quite pleased to see that the Iyonix website makes no
>mention of "Acorn" and Castles website now has "Acorn computers" and
>"Iyonix RISC OS PC". Kind of like a clean break.
erm... Except on either of the win/register forms where there's an
Acorn logo in the bottom right hand corner :-)
>
>Nicely presented too. I just hope I win the competition for a free
>machine! :-)
Get off its mine!
James Sargent
> Peter Bell <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote in message news:<a673ba86...@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com>...
>>Has anyone else noticed http://www.iyonix.com ??
>
Unless you click the Win / Register links at the bottom of the page ...
Diehard Duck
I too would like to win. However it did occur to me that if the machine was
ready for release on the 2nd Nov and the winner was announced they may
suddenly become very popular, gain lots of new friends or perhaps even be
mobbed and beaten up :o)
--
Šiehard ŠuēK
Peter Bell
epy...@nottingham.ac.uk (Robert Richards) wrote:
> Peter Bell <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:<1024d286...@riscpc01.reading.fourcom.com>...
> > What we don't have any information about is the clock speed of the
> > XScale. I wonder what performance we will see from old 26-bit apps
> > run under the 'emulator'.
> >
> I don't think it'll matter that much TBH. It's only going to be
> required until apps get updated by their authors
Ummm, like Impression, Artworks, Eureka, DataPower etc., all of which
I use quite heavily.
I know that Martin is working on Artworks, but I don't believe that
there's much chance of him being able to make it 32-bit. Development
of the other three is dead. I guess it's down to me to move on to
newer apps - but it's difficult. I have both Techwriter and
OvationPro, but I can't achieve what I do with Publisher with either
of them.
Liam Gretton
> DDR RAM. PCI. UDMA100. XScale. Sensible case. Podules for those that
> want them.
...and extra goodies like Unicode support in the OS, apparantly :-)
Kell Gatherer
Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> Any firmware on a podule would have to be 32bit of course!
Does that mean that 'old' podules will not work?
Personally, I'm only interested in the SCSI podule, since I have a SCSI
CD-ROM, SCSI scanner, SCSI Syquest, SCSI JAZ drive....
Thankfully, I will have no further requirement for my Viewfinder card.
:-)
Casting my eye around the office, the only other podules here are a dual
serial card, and a Blitz IDE podule. They can remain in those machines.
A new scanner for no good reason does not appeal, however.
--
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The Location Source
The Doctor
Peter Bell <pe...@bellfamily.org.uk> wrote:
This is why I favour the emulation option.
I accept that with this option, you're not likely to get emulation at
the speed of a StrongArm, but if it can come close to say an Arm7500
then fine. At least you'd be able to use the old 26bit software.
Lets face it, even the vast majority of games (especially the older
ones) would work fine on this speed of machine.
I shudder to think how much software I'd have to ditch if it didn't work
on the new machine. So many people have produced great software in the
past and since left the market and source code for such software is
often not available anymore.
Cheers!
--
Graham
The RISC OS hardware guide - www.riscoshardware.tk
The RISC OS software guide - www.riscossoftware.tk
Deathzone Emulation - www.thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk
The Doctor
Kell Gatherer <nos...@locsource.com> wrote:
With Castle having gone to so much trouble, there's no way that a SCSI
card of some sort will /not/ be made available.
Ray Dawson
^^^^^^^
I hope it's a bit quicker coming than Oregano 2, which is two years
overdue ;-(
And probably never likely to arrive.
Come to think of it, how do Castle expect to sell a computer without a
fully functional web browser? Maybe there's hope for O2 yet :-)
Cheers,
Ray D
--
Ray Dawson
r...@magray.freeserve.co.uk
MagRay - the audio & braille specialists
Matthias Seifert
[...]
> If you look at ROLs latest annual report, it states that they made
> something in the region of 45,000ukp from "contract work" IIRC.
Can you give the page number of thet statement?
> I remember reading that and thinking "What the hell?". Maybe this is
> that work...
And why should they constantly deny then that they do work on a 32-bit OS?
Matthias Seifert
[...]
> > The downside of PCI is
> >
> > a) you can't use your "old" podules with it
> >
> > b) it's hard to develope your own cards
> >
> Did you not spot the bit saying it supported podules?
I did. But I was talking about the downside of PCI here. And PCI _is_ more
complicated than podules (or ISA).
> Any firmware on a podule would have to be 32bit of course!
Of course (well, it could be softloaded too, but I don't want to get
picky).
a...@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk
Ray Dawson <R...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Come to think of it, how do Castle expect to sell a computer without a
> fully functional web browser? Maybe there's hope for O2 yet :-)
Just dreaming 1 - maybe O2 will be bundled with the new machine?
Just dreaming 2 - maybe I'll find out when I win the competishun:-)
--
A T (Sandy) Morton
On the bicycle island
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Neil Farnham-Smith
<URL:mailto:M.Se...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On 18 Oct, James Sargent <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > Andrew Pinder wrote:
> > > There's remarkably little actual information on the
> > > IYONIX website besides a brief hardware spec. Is this the
> > > new way of selling computers?
>
> > I expect the advertising industry call it a "teaser" or some
> > such thing. It arouses interest and gets people talking - it
> > generates "excitement" at the prospect of something to come.
> > They keep you baited with little snippets of information
> > until the time that it's actually released - then you'll be
> > in such a frenzy of excitement that you rush out to buy it.
>
> Bah, for me they definitely don't have to do such a thing.
> Just tell me where to order it and how much I have to hand
> over. :-)
We're certainly geared up to start supplying new machines as
and when they are available, anyone interested in being kept
informed of developments on all new RISC OS based computers, let
me know and I'll ensure you are kept informed of any news as and
when it is ready for publication.
Just drop me with an e-mail, and I'll add you to the list.
Regards Neil...
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Neil Farnham-Smith
<URL:mailto:nos...@locsource.com> wrote:
> In article <ant18120...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
> Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Any firmware on a podule would have to be 32bit of course!
>
> Does that mean that 'old' podules will not work?
> Personally, I'm only interested in the SCSI podule, since I
> have a SCSI CD-ROM, SCSI scanner, SCSI Syquest, SCSI JAZ
> drive....
SCSI support for some existing cards is being worked on, again
contact me if you want to be kept informed and I will add you to
our list.
Annraoi
> On 17 Oct 2002 12:41:08 -0700> you ARE kidding, right?
What made you think that ?
Just because things are done a certain way that does not mean that it
is the optimum way does it ?
There are issues with PCI (just as there were issues with PC's which
is why Acorn brought out the ARM and the Archimedes in the first
place).
The primary issues with PCI are:
(a). You hand over to your compeditors control over how YOUR machine
can be expanded (and as they steer the standard YOU'RE always going to
be "trailing edge" technology).
(b). PCI (current variety) is getting long in the tooth and will
gradually be replaced by PCI-X which offers greater bandwidth (it
should be noted Castles runs at twice the normal PCI speed (66MHz) so
is better than many).
(c). The most interesting and desireable cards simply use either
drivers that are covered by very stringent NDA/Licensing or are just
too complex for someone to reverse engineer drivers for (Creatives
DXR-3 DVD Decoder, Matrox's RT-2500 Video capture and a half a dozen
others spring to mind) and/or ones that are expensive to purchase a
license for.
(d). PCI implementations can be problematic and some cards tend to
have "problems" with certain implementations of PCI (it's really NOT
just one fixed standard - everyone has a slightly different take on it
and some are better than others).
(e). There are far better technologies available that offer several
times the speed of PCI. Besides existing PCI hardware throttles back
the performance of new storage media such as Serial-ATA (which
theoretically should manage 166MB/sec but will be limited to less than
that because of the PCI bandwidth). Later version of Serial ATA will
be so fast that PCI just WON'T do....
Having said all that I don't want to rain on anyones parade, Castle
have done a superb job of getting this machine done. By providing a
podule bus interface as well as PCI they leave up to the user what I/f
they use (good).
I just know the queue of prospective purchasers will be great, but I
don't mind waiting.....
Regards
Annraoi
Mr S C Winsor
The Doctor <thed...@thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
> With Castle having gone to so much trouble, there's no way that a SCSI
> card of some sort will /not/ be made available.
> Cheers!
As I own one of theirs already I would expect to be upgrade it in some way
for a moderate sum.
The concern for me is my i16 or DMI50 cards. Or does it include on board
sound sampling and MIDI.
Stuart.
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Matthias Seifert
[...]
> I know that Martin is working on Artworks, but I don't believe that
> there's much chance of him being able to make it 32-bit.
What makes you believe that. Making applications 32-bit surely isn't
reocket science - and Marting surely already proved many times that he is
able to understand how Artworks is working internally...
Alan Wrigley
ra...@inputplus.co.uk (Ralph Corderoy) wrote:
> Hi Dominic,
>
> > I'm seriously thinking of doinig without heating this winter
> > boiler/iyonix/boiler/iyonix/boiler/iyonix....
>
> Boiler. Having been there and done that, being without heating, even in
> the mild south of England, is no fun. Ever tried typing with fingers
> painful from the cold?
By 'eck, lad, tha's obviously never lived in a derelict 17th century
farmhouse on top o' t'Pennines with no heating. And I'm not even a
bloody Yorkshireman.
Alan
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Martin Dann
Matthias Seifert <M.Se...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On 18 Oct, Liam Gretton <l...@star.le.ac.uk> wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Matthias Seifert wrote:
> > > Two PCI slots seems not to be that much if one is already used by the
> > > graphics card...
>
> > C'mon Matthias, it looks like you're just stirring now. Druck said *4*
> > PCI slots.
>
> Ups. :-( What was I reading then?
>
> Sorry, definitely my fault. :-}
In one posting Druck said four PCI slots, and in another he said
Two Free PCI slots, perhaps you were confusing the two.
This implies that there are two PCI cards already installed.
I would guess that one of these two is a graphics card, leaving us
guessing whether the second is net/scsi/usb or somthing else.
Martin.
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