Pluto Users May Find This Useful

[Kevin Wells]

Hi

For those here that use Pluto may find this announcement in the RISC OS
Open forum pleasing:

<https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1832>

Pluto is Open Source and has been made to work with ARMv7 processors.

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[Stuart]

In article <98e4513d...@talktalk.net>,

Kevin Wells <k...@kevsoft.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi

> For those here that use Pluto may find this announcement in the RISC OS
> Open forum pleasing:

> <https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1832>

> Pluto is Open Source and has been made to work with ARMv7 processors.

That is wonderful news. I hope someone will be able to take it forward and
improve it's handling of large files and some of the strange formats sent
by other platforms.

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Midlands RISC OS Show 13th July 2013

[Peter Young]

On 16 Apr 2013 Kevin Wells <k...@kevsoft.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi

> For those here that use Pluto may find this announcement in the RISC OS
> Open forum pleasing:

> <https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1832>

> Pluto is Open Source and has been made to work with ARMv7 processors.

Not only Pluto, which I don't use, but e-Speak which I have been
greatly missing! StrongED has just spoken to me. Now to try OPro.

Has anyone announced this on the ARMini list? I may run out of time to
do this today.

With best wishes, and many thanks to Jonathan.

Peter.

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <6341703d5...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,

Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2013 Kevin Wells <k...@kevsoft.co.uk> wrote:

> > Hi

> > For those here that use Pluto may find this announcement in the RISC OS
> > Open forum pleasing:

> > <https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1832>

> > Pluto is Open Source and has been made to work with ARMv7 processors.

> Not only Pluto, which I don't use, but e-Speak which I have been
> greatly missing! StrongED has just spoken to me. Now to try OPro.

> Has anyone announced this on the ARMini list? I may run out of time to
> do this today.

> With best wishes, and many thanks to Jonathan.

It's just rather sad there aren't enough users to make it worth his while
doing a paid for upgrade?

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[Sprow]

On Apr 17, 12:11 am, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <6341703d53.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,

>    Peter Young <pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > For those here that use Pluto may find this announcement in the RISC OS
> > > Open forum pleasing:
> > > <https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1832>
> > > Pluto is Open Source and has been made to work with ARMv7 processors.
>

> It's just rather sad there aren't enough users to make it worth his while
> doing a paid for upgrade?

There's nothing in Jonathan's comment that implies the open sourcing
is motivated by money (or lack of), there may be any number of reasons
he's decided to go that way. As at 08:45 today there have been 91
downloads, even at £5 a pop that's easily enough to cover the work to
make an ARMv7 version at commercial rates. As (except for 1 file) it's
all C code a simple recompile is the minimum required.

If that bank note is burning a hole in anybody's wallet perhaps
Jonathan could nominate his favourite charity and people could donate
there for every download?
Sprow.

[Alan Calder]

In article
<4aee32bf-b13f-4aa1...@a3g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, Sprow

Now that does sound like a good idea!

Even so, I'd be happy to pay quite a lot for a new version that deals with
some of the current problems, largely dealing with the strange email
formats now encountered. They can be got round but it would be good to
have them done natively.

Alan

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[Russell Hafter News]

In article <533d82c...@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman

(News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6341703d5...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
> Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 16 Apr 2013 Kevin Wells <k...@kevsoft.co.uk> wrote:

> > > Hi

> > > For those here that use Pluto may find this
> > > announcement in the RISC OS Open forum pleasing:

> > > <https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1832>

> > > Pluto is Open Source and has been made to work with
> > > ARMv7 processors.

[Snip]

> > Has anyone announced this on the ARMini list? I may run
> > out of time to do this today.

Does not seem to have been posted on the Pluto ML either.

> > With best wishes, and many thanks to Jonathan.

> It's just rather sad there aren't enough users to make it
> worth his while doing a paid for upgrade?

I have downloaded the new version, but not opened the
archive yet. AIUI there is no actual benefit to installing
this on an RPC??

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[Alan Calder]

In article <533dbe...@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<b...@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <533db9dfcf...@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder

> <alan_...@o2.co.uk> wrote:

> > Even so, I'd be happy to pay quite a lot for a new version that deals
> > with some of the current problems, largely dealing with the strange
> > email formats now encountered. They can be got round but it would be
> > good to have them done natively.

> Well "quite a lot" is pretty undefined but guessing at the sort of
> figures you might be thinking of, - Seconded.

Yes, I did leave 'quite a lot' undefined but I'd happily put up �100 for
just those changes! I get so many 'unreadable' emails these days that it
would be very much worth it to avoid the faff, admittedly small, of sorting
them out.

Alan

[Snip]

[Dev]

In article <533dbeb7...@walkingingermany.invalid>,

Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <533d82c...@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman
> (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <6341703d5...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
> > Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On 16 Apr 2013 Kevin Wells <k...@kevsoft.co.uk> wrote:

> > > > Hi

> > > > For those here that use Pluto may find this
> > > > announcement in the RISC OS Open forum pleasing:

> > > > <https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1832>

> > > > Pluto is Open Source and has been made to work with
> > > > ARMv7 processors.

> [Snip]

> > > Has anyone announced this on the ARMini list? I may run
> > > out of time to do this today.

> Does not seem to have been posted on the Pluto ML either.

> > > With best wishes, and many thanks to Jonathan.

> > It's just rather sad there aren't enough users to make it
> > worth his while doing a paid for upgrade?

> I have downloaded the new version, but not opened the
> archive yet. AIUI there is no actual benefit to installing
> this on an RPC??

But what about on a RPC with RISC OS 3.7 to replace Pluto 2.04b?

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Sharwaya namaha

[Chris Johnson]

In article <533dc54a0...@no.spam.invalid>,

Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> But what about on a RPC with RISC OS 3.7 to replace Pluto 2.04b?

You should be on at least v. 3.04e, which was the latest of the
general releases.

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[Dave Symes]

In article <533dbe...@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <b...@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <533db9dfcf...@o2.co.uk>,
> Alan Calder <alan_...@o2.co.uk> wrote:

> > Even so, I'd be happy to pay quite a lot for a new version that deals
> > with some of the current problems, largely dealing with the strange
> > email formats now encountered. They can be got round but it would be
> > good to have them done natively.

> Well "quite a lot" is pretty undefined but guessing at the sort of
> figures you might be thinking of, - Seconded.

> Cheers,

> Bob.

As I've noted in the past, I'm also up for some funds if it can be updated
to work with the modern mess we get.
Not forgetting the larger emails and attachments problem.

40 to 50 quid.

Dave

--

Dave Triffid

[Stuart]

In article <533dcbf...@triffid.co.uk>,

Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> As I've noted in the past, I'm also up for some funds if it can be
> updated to work with the modern mess we get. Not forgetting the larger
> emails and attachments problem.

> 40 to 50 quid.

So, does the ROOL bounty scheme allow us to put money in the pot for the
development of !Pluto?

[Grahame Parish]

On 17/04/2013 15:44, Stuart wrote:
> In article <533dcbf...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>> As I've noted in the past, I'm also up for some funds if it can be
>> updated to work with the modern mess we get. Not forgetting the larger
>> emails and attachments problem.
>
>> 40 to 50 quid.
>
> So, does the ROOL bounty scheme allow us to put money in the pot for the
> development of !Pluto?
>

Other than the fact the Jonathan chose to make the announce via the ROOL
forums, there's nothing to suggest that there is any ROOL involvement at
all. The code has been released via SourceForge, not through ROOL.

Grahame.

[Dev]

In article <533dc81718chr...@spamcop.net>,

So you mean it doesn't work?

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Kapaline namaha

[Chris Johnson]

In article <533ddf105...@no.spam.invalid>,

Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <533dc81718chr...@spamcop.net>,
> Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > In article <533dc54a0...@no.spam.invalid>,
> > Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> > > But what about on a RPC with RISC OS 3.7 to replace Pluto 2.04b?

> > You should be on at least v. 3.04e, which was the latest of the
> > general releases.

> So you mean it doesn't work?

I'm not sure what you are asking. Version 2.04b is a very old
version, and version 3 had a number of improvements. However, as
stated further up the thread, if you are at 3.04e, then there is
little advantage in upgrading further, since the main change in v.
3.06 is to make it ARMv7 aware. It should still work on old hardware
and older versions of RISC OS.

--
Chris Johnson

[Dev]

In article <533de107d6chr...@spamcop.net>,

Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <533ddf105...@no.spam.invalid>,
> Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <533dc81718chr...@spamcop.net>,
> > Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > > In article <533dc54a0...@no.spam.invalid>,
> > > Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> > > > But what about on a RPC with RISC OS 3.7 to replace Pluto 2.04b?

> > > You should be on at least v. 3.04e, which was the latest of the
> > > general releases.

> > So you mean it doesn't work?

> I'm not sure what you are asking. Version 2.04b is a very old
> version, and version 3 had a number of improvements. However, as
> stated further up the thread, if you are at 3.04e, then there is
> little advantage in upgrading further, since the main change in v.
> 3.06 is to make it ARMv7 aware. It should still work on old hardware
> and older versions of RISC OS.

Russell suggested there was No benefit to installing it on a RPC. I asked
if there was benefit to installing it on RO 3.7 to replace Pluto 2.04b -
with the implied question of would it work correctly?

I've since tried it. It does install and seems to work okay until I come to
write in either news or email. It accepts the Subject but crashes on the
first space typed into the body. This suggests to me some problem in the
spell check area.

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Bhagavaye namaha

[David H Wild]

In article <533dec1cf...@no.spam.invalid>, Dev

<spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> I've since tried it. It does install and seems to work okay until I come
> to write in either news or email. It accepts the Subject but crashes on
> the first space typed into the body. This suggests to me some problem in
> the spell check area.

I downloaded it yesterday - largely with a view to installin it on my RO Pi
- but it seems to work perfectly on my RPC 6.20.

--
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www.davidhwild.me.uk

[Dave Symes]

In article <533dee5a...@talktalk.net>,

David H Wild <dhw...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> In article <533dec1cf...@no.spam.invalid>, Dev
> <spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> > I've since tried it. It does install and seems to work okay until I
> > come to write in either news or email. It accepts the Subject but
> > crashes on the first space typed into the body. This suggests to me
> > some problem in the spell check area.

> I downloaded it yesterday - largely with a view to installin it on my RO
> Pi - but it seems to work perfectly on my RPC 6.20.

It does indeedy work perfectly okay on my SARPC running 6.20 and on a
RPCEmu mirror (Of the SARPC) also running 6.20

Dev is not only running an ancient version of RISC OS, but as has been
pointed out, a seriously old version of Pluto.

If (And I don't know the answer what was done) the update for Pluto 3.06
was done over the 2.04b I'm not surprised there's trouble.

I would have thought, he really should be updating over at least a 3.nn
version of some sort.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

[Dev]

In article <533dee5a...@talktalk.net>,
David H Wild <dhw...@talktalk.net> wrote:

> In article <533dec1cf...@no.spam.invalid>, Dev
> <spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> > I've since tried it. It does install and seems to work okay until I come
> > to write in either news or email. It accepts the Subject but crashes on
> > the first space typed into the body. This suggests to me some problem in
> > the spell check area.

> I downloaded it yesterday - largely with a view to installin it on my RO
> Pi - but it seems to work perfectly on my RPC 6.20.

I've tested it again using the spellcheck button on some selected text.
That crashes in just the same way.

I have installed it by dropping it over a copy of my version 2.04b. When
I've time, I'll test a completely new install.

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Virupakshaya namaha

[Dave Symes]

In article <533df38bc...@no.spam.invalid>,

And you did read the ReadMe bit about files NOT to overwrite?

Dave

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[John Williams (News)]

In article <533df66...@triffid.co.uk>,

Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> And you did read the ReadMe bit about files NOT to overwrite?

and did you?

John

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[John]

In article <533df38bc...@no.spam.invalid>, Dev
<spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:

I would have thought that your best bet would be to move
your existing copy of Pluto out of the way and replace it
with a clean installation. You can then bring back into the
new installation such items as the Articles and Choices
directories.

John

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[Dev]

In article <533df66...@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

Yes, and I think the fact that those files don't exist in the upgrade
version ensures that I didn't overwrite them.

--
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Om Namah Shivaya | Om Shula-panine namaha

[Dev]

In article <533df88e...@blueyonder.co.uk>,

That's the plan when I've time (if the clean install is okay).

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[spampling]

In article <533dbeb7...@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell Hafter
News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> AIUI there is no actual benefit to installing this on an RPC??

That depends on whether you want to run the RPC with RO5.19 (or probably
5.20 soon)

--

Steve Pampling

[spampling]

In article <533de107d6chr...@spamcop.net>,

Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> I'm not sure what you are asking. Version 2.04b is a very old
> version, and version 3 had a number of improvements.

2.04b is a 26 bit only version IIRC

2.05a was the first 32-bit safe, and as you say version 3 has additional
features.

--

Steve Pampling

[Russell Hafter News]

In article <533e305390...@btinternet.com>, spampling

I doubt it. Very much.

I am putting up with 5.something on RPCEmu under Win7 on my
Netbook, and do not like it much.

I have never been one for upgrading unless there are
significant advantages to **me**, to outweigh all the
potential hazards.

And after a prolonged stay in hospital, the last thing I
need is software glitches!