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Graham Jenkins

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Aug 18, 2008, 11:07:05 AM8/18/08
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I use a template in Ovation Pro which uses frames to position a logo on the
left side of the page and a text frame on the right of this that has the
text centered in the frame.

I have Easiwriter Pro+ 7.11 and so far RTFM has not revealed to me how to
do something similar.

I see no mention of frames in the index. What does Easiwriter use instead?
Or how do I produce the result that I want?

TIA for any help.

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Martin Wuerthner

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Aug 18, 2008, 11:17:19 AM8/18/08
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Graham Jenkins <gra...@gjenkins.me.uk> wrote:

> I use a template in Ovation Pro which uses frames to position a logo on the
> left side of the page and a text frame on the right of this that has the
> text centered in the frame.

> I have Easiwriter Pro+ 7.11 and so far RTFM has not revealed to me how to
> do something similar.

> I see no mention of frames in the index. What does Easiwriter use instead?

EasiWriter is a word processor, not a DTP program. It does not have
any frames. Instead, it assumes a single flowing text story, which can
have several columns, plus page headers and footers. Apart from the
headers and footers, everything flows, so you cannot position text or
graphics at arbitrary positions on the page.

> Or how do I produce the result that I want?

You have various options like using headers/footers, multiple columns
or a hanging heading to achieve the effect you want. Using those you
can reproduce quite a variety of layouts but generally, in a word
processor you do not have the full flexibility of a DTP program.

Martin
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Mr John FO Evans

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Aug 18, 2008, 5:03:10 PM8/18/08
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In article <b5a3d6d0...@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner

<spam...@mw-software.com> wrote:
> You have various options like using headers/footers, multiple columns
> or a hanging heading to achieve the effect you want. Using those you
> can reproduce quite a variety of layouts but generally, in a word
> processor you do not have the full flexibility of a DTP program.
>
Unfortunately many people do not have a DTP program and/or do not know
what it could do.

Yet they need to produce all sorts of material like posters and
advertisements, birthday cards and wedding invitations. I think there is a
very good case for an extended Word Processor with some frame functions.

John


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John Pearson

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Aug 18, 2008, 7:33:41 PM8/18/08
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Mr John FO Evans <mi...@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:


> Yet they need to produce all sorts of material like posters and
> advertisements, birthday cards and wedding invitations.

I have always used !Draw. Quick,simple and on all RISC OS machines.

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Graham Jenkins

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Aug 19, 2008, 1:47:05 AM8/19/08
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In article <b5a3d6d0...@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
<spam...@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <4fd0d5b4...@gjenkins.me.uk> Graham Jenkins
> <gra...@gjenkins.me.uk> wrote:

> > I use a template in Ovation Pro which uses frames to position a logo
> > on the left side of the page and a text frame on the right of this
> > that has the text centered in the frame.

> > I have Easiwriter Pro+ 7.11 and so far RTFM has not revealed to me how
> > to do something similar.

> > I see no mention of frames in the index. What does Easiwriter use
> > instead?

> EasiWriter is a word processor, not a DTP program. It does not have any
> frames. Instead, it assumes a single flowing text story, which can have
> several columns, plus page headers and footers. Apart from the headers
> and footers, everything flows, so you cannot position text or graphics
> at arbitrary positions on the page.

> > Or how do I produce the result that I want?

> You have various options like using headers/footers, multiple columns
> or a hanging heading to achieve the effect you want. Using those you
> can reproduce quite a variety of layouts but generally, in a word
> processor you do not have the full flexibility of a DTP program.

> Martin

Thank you Martin for that reply. I will cease my efforts to reproduce my
OvPro template in Easiwriter.

Michael Gerbracht

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Aug 19, 2008, 2:48:16 AM8/19/08
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In article <na.e6fbcb4fd...@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Mr John FO Evans

<mi...@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <b5a3d6d0...@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
> <spam...@mw-software.com> wrote:
> > You have various options like using headers/footers, multiple columns
> > or a hanging heading to achieve the effect you want. Using those you
> > can reproduce quite a variety of layouts but generally, in a word
> > processor you do not have the full flexibility of a DTP program.
> Unfortunately many people do not have a DTP program and/or do not know
> what it could do.

> Yet they need to produce all sorts of material like posters and
> advertisements, birthday cards and wedding invitations. I think there is
> a very good case for an extended Word Processor with some frame
> functions.

I don't understand, if you are looking for a program with DTP
functionallity and are ready to pay for it, why not just buy a DTP
program?
I think that frames do not fit into the concept of Easiwriter. And a
completely new word processor might sound interesting but I do not think
its very realistic to hope for it.

Michael

Ray Dawson

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Aug 19, 2008, 4:40:45 AM8/19/08
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Michael Gerbracht <mai...@gmx.de> wrote:

> I think that frames do not fit into the concept of Easiwriter.

How does Easiwriter cope with Word's text boxes? These aren't the same as
frames, but are a means of positioning blocks of text where you want them.

Cheers,

Ray D

Martin Wuerthner

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Aug 19, 2008, 4:57:09 AM8/19/08
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Mr John FO Evans <mi...@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <b5a3d6d0...@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
> <spam...@mw-software.com> wrote:
>> You have various options like using headers/footers, multiple columns
>> or a hanging heading to achieve the effect you want. Using those you
>> can reproduce quite a variety of layouts but generally, in a word
>> processor you do not have the full flexibility of a DTP program.
>>
> Unfortunately many people do not have a DTP program and/or do not know
> what it could do.
>
> Yet they need to produce all sorts of material like posters and
> advertisements, birthday cards and wedding invitations. I think there is a
> very good case for an extended Word Processor with some frame functions.

But we have always had that - that is exactly what Impression and
OvationPro do. Traditionally, in the RISC OS world, the dominating
document processing packages have always been DTP programs. EasiWriter
is the main exception.

Martin Wuerthner

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Aug 19, 2008, 5:00:45 AM8/19/08
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Ray Dawson <r...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Michael Gerbracht <mai...@gmx.de> wrote:

EW simply incorporates the contents of text boxes into the main
flowing text at the logical position where the text box was anchored.
That is the best possible approximation but of course looks entirely
unlike the original document. The same goes for embedded pictures at
absolute or column relative positions. EW can only embed pictures at
specific text positions.

Alex' A. Interrants

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Aug 19, 2008, 9:29:01 AM8/19/08
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John Pearson <j...@westcairn.net> hat geschrieben:

> In message <na.e6fbcb4fd...@orpheusmail.co.uk>
> Mr John FO Evans <mi...@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> > Yet they need to produce all sorts of material like posters and
> > advertisements, birthday cards and wedding invitations.
> I have always used !Draw. Quick,simple and on all RISC OS machines.

Yes. And you can also use !Draw or !ArtWorks in combination with
EasyWriter. Just copy the drawing in a picture box of a document of
EasyWriter.

A.

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PVitt

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Oct 8, 2008, 7:22:02 AM10/8/08
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Graham Jenkins schreef:
Have you foud out yet?
I had the same kind of problem. Ewriter just doesn't have anything
like frames in Ovation or Impression.
I made a Draw file of the whole letterhead (logo on left, details on
right side) This Drawfile can just be the complete heading with
evrything in it the way You want.

Alex Cessford

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Oct 11, 2008, 10:50:26 AM10/11/08
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PVitt <new...@lampart.nl> wrote:

I am no technical expert of any kind, but I am a very long-standing
user of both EW and OvPro.

OvPro is a DTP program, Desk Top Publishing. It works, as do virtually
all DTP programs, by having frames which can contain almost any kind
of content, and which can be repositioned amd re-sized at will to suit
requirements.
Easiwriter is wonderful, I have always purchased the latest upgrade to
it, so I mean no disrespect when I say that it is 'only' a
word-processor. It does not have frames. Like all word-processors, its
main function is to do just that, manipulate words.I have used EW to
produce small books with text and graphics.

So whilst admittedly rather an over-generalised statement, you might
use OvPro to produce newspapers, magazines, flyers and the like, you
would use EW to produce a letter, text for a book, memos, envelopes,
lists, (eg. contents, index) etc. EW can indeed have templates, or
even what it calles stationery pads, which are almost the same in
practice but are accessible from within the program.

The two programs can pretty much do what the other can, but OvPro with
its ability to resize and drag frames around is perhaps easier to
alter layout. So horses for courses!

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