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Simon Willcocks

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:50:21 AM12/30/09
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"Steve (7th software)" <sre...@7thsoftware.com> wrote:

> I hope it will work for everyone, but I'm not going to be paying too much
> attention to emails with fault reports in them because I'm on holiday! :)
>
> SnowDemo at <URL:http://www.7thsoftware.com/software.htm>

Thank you, it made me laugh (and wonder how it was done...).

Cheers,
Simon

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Alan Calder

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Dec 30, 2009, 9:01:39 AM12/30/09
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In article <ap.84c2ca50d1.a...@argonet.co.uk>,

Steve (7th software) <sre...@7thsoftware.com> wrote:

> Having a spare day over the winter holiday season and being surrounded by
> snow inspired me to bash together this little festive silly. It's a BASIC
> single-tasking demo program which will run for around ten minutes.

Thanks for the bit of fun.

Fascinated a visiting baby for the duration so worth it just for that!

Cheers

Alan

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Thomas Milius

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Dec 31, 2009, 5:44:50 AM12/31/09
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"Steve (7th software)" <sre...@7thsoftware.com> wrote:

> I hope it will work for everyone, but I'm not going to be paying too much
> attention to emails with fault reports in them because I'm on holiday! :)
>
> SnowDemo at <URL:http://www.7thsoftware.com/software.htm>

Great work Steve! Wonderful idea and implementation. Perhaps it can be
expanded as a screen saver on the long distance.

Best Regards

Thomas Milius

Dr Peter Young

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Dec 31, 2009, 7:30:38 AM12/31/09
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The screen-saver ida seems a good one to me, too. I'd have no idea how
to do it, though.

With best wishes,

Peter.

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John

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Dec 31, 2009, 7:34:15 PM12/31/09
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Simon Willcocks <simon.w...@t-online.de> wrote:

> In message <ap.84c2ca50d1.a...@argonet.co.uk>
> "Steve (7th software)" <sre...@7thsoftware.com> wrote:

>> I hope it will work for everyone, but I'm not going to be paying too much
>> attention to emails with fault reports in them because I'm on holiday! :)
>>
>> SnowDemo at <URL:http://www.7thsoftware.com/software.htm>

> Thank you, it made me laugh (and wonder how it was done...).

> Cheers,
> Simon

Likewise, thank you for a very engaging visual with a brilliant twist.

A Happy New Year to you and all RISC OS users


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Dave Symes

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Jan 1, 2010, 1:58:28 AM1/1/10
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In article <159987d25...@bryan86.fsnet.co.uk>,

> > Cheers,
> > Simon

Sorry, after running it here there was nothing except a black screen...
for ever.

RO 6.20 & Viewfinder.
Dave

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Dr Peter Young

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Jan 1, 2010, 3:17:34 AM1/1/10
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On 31 Dec 2009 Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

> In message <0e5945d25...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
> Dr Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> [snip]


>> The screen-saver ida seems a good one to me, too. I'd have no idea how
>> to do it, though.

> Don't call me Ida :-)

Sorry, Shirley I meant idea!

Chris Hughes

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Jan 1, 2010, 5:15:55 AM1/1/10
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Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

>>> Cheers,
>>> Simon

> RO 6.20 & Viewfinder.

Worked fine here with that combination. Ran it twice in fact

> Dave

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Ben Crick

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Jan 1, 2010, 9:58:31 AM1/1/10
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In article <7151c3d150.s...@home.invalid>, Simon Willcocks

<simon.w...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Thank you, it made me laugh (and wonder how it was done...).

Just <shift>double-click on the file icon and LIST the BASIC program.
A very perspicacious bit of BASIC programming, if I may say so.
(perspicacious - is that the right word? I mean easily followable).

Happy New Year!

Ben

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Dave Symes

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In article <50d30836...@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50d1c9d874...@o2.co.uk>,

> Alan Calder <alan_...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <ap.84c2ca50d1.a...@argonet.co.uk>,
> > Steve (7th software) <sre...@7thsoftware.com> wrote:

> > > Having a spare day over the winter holiday season and being
> > > surrounded by snow inspired me to bash together this little festive
> > > silly. It's a BASIC single-tasking demo program which will run for
> > > around ten minutes.

> > Thanks for the bit of fun.

> > Fascinated a visiting baby for the duration so worth it just for that!


> Crashed here.
> SpriteExtend: Bad colour translation table at line 3310.

> SA RPC RO 4.37, running 1280x1024

> Sorry.

I mentioned the other day, all I got was a Black screen on this SARPC
running RO 6.20

Just in case one of the number of app I always have running might
interfere, I did a cold reboot, then tried again.

Nothing, totally black screen and nothing else... Left the machine for
about 10 minutes while I had a cuppa, nothing but very black showing.

Took the SnowDemo app to Fay's machine SARPC, but running RO 4.39 and it
worked okay... Nice job.

So I guess it must be something RO 6.20

Dave

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David H Wild

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Jan 2, 2010, 4:33:00 AM1/2/10
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In article <50d338b...@triffid.co.uk>,

Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> I mentioned the other day, all I got was a Black screen on this SARPC
> running RO 6.20

> Just in case one of the number of app I always have running might
> interfere, I did a cold reboot, then tried again.

> Nothing, totally black screen and nothing else... Left the machine for
> about 10 minutes while I had a cuppa, nothing but very black showing.

> Took the SnowDemo app to Fay's machine SARPC, but running RO 4.39 and it
> worked okay... Nice job.

> So I guess it must be something RO 6.20

It ran on my SARPC running 6.20.

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Dave Symes

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Jan 2, 2010, 6:56:55 AM1/2/10
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On 02 Jan, da...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

[Snip]

> I mentioned the other day, all I got was a Black screen on this SARPC
> running RO 6.20

> Just in case one of the number of app I always have running might
> interfere, I did a cold reboot, then tried again.

> Nothing, totally black screen and nothing else... Left the machine for
> about 10 minutes while I had a cuppa, nothing but very black showing.

> Took the SnowDemo app to Fay's machine SARPC, but running RO 4.39 and it
> worked okay... Nice job.

> So I guess it must be something RO 6.20

> Dave

Adding to the above...

On the Win PC I have a mirror install of this SARPC running under VRPC-SA
Adjust and like this machine it's running Select RO 6.20

So I ran SnowDemo on that and it worked okay, albeit Fast.

But still resolutely refuses to do anything on this machine.

Dave

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Chris Johnson

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Jan 2, 2010, 7:13:24 AM1/2/10
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In article <50d349e...@triffid.co.uk>,

Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> So I ran SnowDemo on that and it worked okay, albeit Fast.

> But still resolutely refuses to do anything on this machine.

Maybe Viewfinder card is implicated - the demo does read various mode
variables and changes mode.

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Dave Symes

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Jan 2, 2010, 8:26:10 AM1/2/10
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In article <50d34b7161chr...@spamcop.net>,

I've been playing some more.
My old monitor (VisionMaster) Has both BNC and DSub connections, both of
which are connected to this SARPC, so I can switch between Viewfinder and
VIDC.
Switch to VIDC and the SnowDemo works, switching back to VF and it appears
not to work... BUT it is in actual fact working, but the initial screen
draw before the snow starts is very, very slow, coupled with this aged
monitor which needs the brightness screwed up to very the last dribble
before it's just about discernable on the screen.

Dave

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Grahame Parish

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Jan 2, 2010, 8:44:06 AM1/2/10
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Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:

It does some strange things here with the positioning of the objects
on screen. I get the right-hand tree slightly right of the middle of
the screen (presumably it should appear on the far right) with the
snowman appearing behind its branches. The hat & scarf are placed
midway between the two trees, missing the snowman completely. Iyonix
5.14 (flashed) 1680x1050x16M resolution.

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Alan Dawes

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Jan 2, 2010, 9:10:06 AM1/2/10
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> > > Cheers,
> > > Simon

It's possible that your Viewfinder hasn't got a suitable screen mode
defined for it. Looking at the basic !RunImage in !Edit, as you are not
running an Iyonix or Beagleboard it will be a 32K colour 1024x768 screen
mode. I cann't see that the program makes a check for a Viewfinder card.

It works OK here with Viewfinder but I do have a suitable 32K 1024x768
screen mode defined for it. This doesn't rule out an incompatibility with
RO 6.02 as I'm using RO 4.02. Although I've bought later ROS roms and
updates I just cann't be bothered to upgrade!

Alan

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Dave Symes

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Jan 2, 2010, 10:55:54 AM1/2/10
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In article <50d3562085...@argonet.co.uk>,

Alan Dawes <alan....@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50d2aac...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> > Sorry, after running it here there was nothing except a black
> > screen... for ever.

> > RO 6.20 & Viewfinder.
> > Dave

> It's possible that your Viewfinder hasn't got a suitable screen mode
> defined for it. Looking at the basic !RunImage in !Edit, as you are not
> running an Iyonix or Beagleboard it will be a 32K colour 1024x768 screen
> mode. I cann't see that the program makes a check for a Viewfinder card.

> It works OK here with Viewfinder but I do have a suitable 32K 1024x768
> screen mode defined for it. This doesn't rule out an incompatibility with
> RO 6.02 as I'm using RO 4.02. Although I've bought later ROS roms and
> updates I just cann't be bothered to upgrade!

> Alan

Guess Y'all missed my last posting of 13:26 so I'll repeat...

************


I've been playing some more.
My old monitor (VisionMaster) Has both BNC and DSub connections, both of
which are connected to this SARPC, so I can switch between Viewfinder and
VIDC.
Switch to VIDC and the SnowDemo works, switching back to VF and it appears
not to work... BUT it is in actual fact working, but the initial screen
draw before the snow starts is very, very slow, coupled with this aged
monitor which needs the brightness screwed up to very the last dribble

before it's just about discernible on the screen.
************

With regard to RO 6.20
My base ROM is 4.02 and I've been with the Select scheme since the start,
and upgraded through every version as they've arrived.

There were a few minor glitches moving from Select 4.39 to the first 6.nn
release, but everything seems to be okay now.

I obviously don't remember all the enhancements since 4.02, but I do know
they have been substantial.
A couple that spring to mind...
Some serious enhancement to the filer.
Really useful enhancements to both Paint and Draw.

I believe there are lists of the changes on the RO site.

Dave

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Chris Hughes

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Jan 2, 2010, 11:54:12 AM1/2/10
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and as I have already said on two RO6.20 machines here as well

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Chris Johnson

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Jan 2, 2010, 12:04:51 PM1/2/10
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In article <fcbe53d350.G...@grahame.parish>,

Grahame Parish <spam...@millers-way.net> wrote:
> It does some strange things here with the positioning of the
> objects on screen.

Yes, on mine as well. I am running a 1920x1600 monitor on my Iyonix,
and after the mode change, and the monitor 'auto-adjusting', the left
side of the demo is just to the left of screen middle, and the right
hand tree is off the right of the screen.

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Ste (news)

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Jan 5, 2010, 9:17:59 AM1/5/10
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Version 1.01 of the demo is on the 7th software site. This addresses some
issues that people may have been having so it might make a difference for
you.

I would suggest people give it a go and see what happens.

Steve

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Ste (news)

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Jan 5, 2010, 9:17:00 AM1/5/10
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In article <0e5945d25...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,

Dr Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> The screen-saver ida seems a good one to me, too. I'd have no idea how
> to do it, though.

There will be a snow-based screen saver coming out soon.

Ta,

Grahame Parish

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Jan 5, 2010, 10:21:41 AM1/5/10
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"Ste (news)" <st...@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

> Steve

Hi Steve,

The only differences I can see in v1.01 is that the trees are black
rather than white, and the moon moves across the sky, starting in the
far right of the screen and gradually appearing in from the left by
the end (maybe the moon moved before as well, but I hadn't noticed
it). Positioning of the trees, snowman and scarf/hat are as they were
before.

Nice snow movement by the way. :)

Grahame.

Alan Dawes

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In article <50d4e24...@revi11.plus.com>,

Ste (news) <st...@revi11.plus.com> wrote:
> In article <0e5945d25...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
> Dr Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > The screen-saver ida seems a good one to me, too. I'd have no idea how
> > to do it, though.

> There will be a snow-based screen saver coming out soon.

Is that like the one that's on my car windscreen at the moment? :-)

Ste (news)

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Jan 6, 2010, 11:40:38 AM1/6/10
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In article <50d55f52cd...@argonet.co.uk>,

Alan Dawes <alan....@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50d4e24...@revi11.plus.com>,
> Ste (news) <st...@revi11.plus.com> wrote:
> > In article <0e5945d25...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
> > Dr Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > The screen-saver ida seems a good one to me, too. I'd have no idea how
> > > to do it, though.
>
> > There will be a snow-based screen saver coming out soon.
>
> Is that like the one that's on my car windscreen at the moment? :-)

See for yourself:

http://www.7thsoftware.com/

I've also done a rain-based screensaver.

Richard Russell

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          "Steve (7th software)" <srev...@7thsoftware.com> wrote:

> I hope it will work for everyone, but I'm not going to be paying too much
> attention to emails with fault reports in them because I'm on holiday! :)

Should anybody here be interested, I've ported Steve's program to
Windows (using BBC BASIC for Windows, of course):

http://www.rtr.myzen.co.uk/SnowDemo.exe

It needs Windows XP or later (because of the 16bpp sprites) and needs
a fairly fast machine for best results.

Richard.
http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/
To reply by email change 'news' to my forename.

David R Lane

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Jan 8, 2010, 4:49:46 PM1/8/10
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"Ste (news)" <st...@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

> See for yourself:
>
> http://www.7thsoftware.com/
>
> I've also done a rain-based screensaver.
>
> Steve

Did you write the Snow Demo and Snow screensaver software from
scratch or are they ported from somewhere else?
They are both very realistic. I can imagine much cruder versions
could have been written more easily, but not as satisfying to watch.
It is quite relaxing as a screensaver.

Perhaps a demo or screensaver could be written based on the
'Snowman' theme, you know 'Just walking in the air' and all that.

Thanks,
Dave Lane

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Ste (news)

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Jan 8, 2010, 6:30:39 PM1/8/10
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In article <0a3a97d6...@lakeview.demon.co.uk>,

David R Lane <D_L...@Lakeview.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Did you write the Snow Demo and Snow screensaver software from scratch or
> are they ported from somewhere else?

I wrote SnowDemo from scratch in an afternoon (screensaver was a spin-off).
I was missing writing simple software just for the sake of it and something
with snow in it seemed to be topical.

> They are both very realistic. I can imagine much cruder versions could
> have been written more easily, but not as satisfying to watch. It is
> quite relaxing as a screensaver.

I'm glad you like it. It was the movement of the snow that took the most
time because I wanted to give the illusion of swirling gusts of wind and
depth.

> Perhaps a demo or screensaver could be written based on the 'Snowman'
> theme, you know 'Just walking in the air' and all that.

Oh no - the dreaded feature creep! :)

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