Hermes and MessengerPro

[Alexander Ausserstorfer]

Hi,

someone has seen that I'm using !PopStar for mail transfer. He suggested
that I should prefer !Hermes to do this.

I cannot find !Hermes anywhere. Is this software free? From where do I
get it?

It is also a shame, that there aren't ANY programmes for transfering
mails / news on the MessengerPro CD, I mean.

A.

--
RISC OS since 1994
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/

[Chris Hughes]

In message <60e8cb9...@bavariasound.chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de>
wrote:

> Hi,

> someone has seen that I'm using !PopStar for mail transfer. He suggested
> that I should prefer !Hermes to do this.

> I cannot find !Hermes anywhere. Is this software free? From where do I
> get it?

!Hermes is part of !NetFetch, its a commercial product produced by
R-Comp, same people who develop Messenger Pro.



--
Chris Hughes
Sorry you have missed the Wakefield Show now.
http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk

[Richard Porter]

The date being 28 May 2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer

<bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> decided to write:

> someone has seen that I'm using !PopStar for mail transfer. He suggested
> that I should prefer !Hermes to do this.

POPstar and AntiSpam work fine for me. Andrew would like me to buy
Hermes of course but I can't see the point when what I've got ain't
broke. AntiSpam fetches mail, POPstar only sends mail.

--
Richard Porter
rich@ / www. richardporter.me.uk
"You can't have Windows without pains."

[Chris Newman]

In article <37b174a...@user.minijem.plus.com>,

Richard Porter <dontu...@address.uk.invalid> wrote:
> The date being 28 May 2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer
> <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> decided to write:

> > someone has seen that I'm using !PopStar for mail transfer. He suggested
> > that I should prefer !Hermes to do this.

> POPstar and AntiSpam work fine for me. Andrew would like me to buy
> Hermes of course but I can't see the point when what I've got ain't
> broke. AntiSpam fetches mail, POPstar only sends mail.

There is an advantage to using hermes if you need the SSL facility.

Webmail accounts are handy because they can be accessed from pretty much
anywhere you can get internet access & they are not tied to your Internet
Service Provider. Now you can download mail to your computer from the three
major providers - Hotmail, Gmail & Yahoo.

You need a mail transport programme that supports SSL (Secure Sockets Layer
- a cryptographic protocol for communications security). Unfortunately
PopStar doesn't support it but Hermes (& therefore NetFetch) does. I have no
experience of Voyager, Termite, AntiSpam or any other RISCOS mail transport
programme so do not know if these do.

Regards,

--
Chris Newman

[Russell Hafter News]

In article <37b174a...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard
Porter <dontu...@address.uk.invalid> wrote:

> The date being 28 May 2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer
> <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> decided to write:

> > someone has seen that I'm using !PopStar for mail
> > transfer. He suggested that I should prefer !Hermes to
> > do this.

> POPstar and AntiSpam work fine for me. Andrew would like
> me to buy Hermes of course but I can't see the point when
> what I've got ain't broke. AntiSpam fetches mail, POPstar
> only sends mail.

Does Antispam offer any advantages over POPStar (other than
its spam processing facilities) as a mail fetcher?

--
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

[spampling]

In article <52a1afd7...@walkingingermany.invalid>,

Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <37b174a...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard
> Porter <dontu...@address.uk.invalid> wrote:
> > The date being 28 May 2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer
> > <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> decided to write:

> > > someone has seen that I'm using !PopStar for mail
> > > transfer. He suggested that I should prefer !Hermes to
> > > do this.

> > POPstar and AntiSpam work fine for me. Andrew would like
> > me to buy Hermes of course but I can't see the point when
> > what I've got ain't broke. AntiSpam fetches mail, POPstar
> > only sends mail.

> Does Antispam offer any advantages over POPStar (other than
> its spam processing facilities) as a mail fetcher?

Do you want any?
It's open source - which for me when Dave Higton did the first version
meant I could twiddle and feed the details to Dave.
Later that became Frank, but the principle was the same. I wanted a change
I twiddled and fed the rough content in.

--

Steve Pampling

[spampling]

In article <37b174a...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
<dontu...@address.uk.invalid> wrote:

> The date being 28 May 2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer
> <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> decided to write:

> > someone has seen that I'm using !PopStar for mail transfer. He
> > suggested that I should prefer !Hermes to do this.

> POPstar and AntiSpam work fine for me. Andrew would like me to buy
> Hermes of course but I can't see the point when what I've got ain't
> broke. AntiSpam fetches mail, POPstar only sends mail.

Should you require multiple username send then I have a little BASIC
beastie that sorts the mail by the username in the envelope, moving each
item to directories it creates matching the username and then sends on
behalf of each username the appropriate username/password combination.

If I could get off my rear and alter the PopStar source then I could sort a
build that does this without external twiddles.

--

Steve Pampling

[Grahame Parish]

In message <52a1e3ffce...@btinternet.com>

spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In article <37b174a...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> <dontu...@address.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> The date being 28 May 2012, Alexander Ausserstorfer
>> <bavari...@chiemgau-net.de> decided to write:

>>> someone has seen that I'm using !PopStar for mail transfer. He
>>> suggested that I should prefer !Hermes to do this.

>> POPstar and AntiSpam work fine for me. Andrew would like me to buy
>> Hermes of course but I can't see the point when what I've got ain't
>> broke. AntiSpam fetches mail, POPstar only sends mail.

> Should you require multiple username send then I have a little BASIC
> beastie that sorts the mail by the username in the envelope, moving each
> item to directories it creates matching the username and then sends on
> behalf of each username the appropriate username/password combination.

That's something I'd like to see in Hermes too.

--
Grahame Parish
Aylesbury, Bucks. HP19 (UK)
maillistDOTparishATmillersHYPHENwayDOTnet

[spampling]

In article <3930eaa152.G...@grahame.parish>, Grahame Parish

???
I thought it was in there. You mean I created a unique feature?
I only created the PopStar helper I call Backstage because I was short of
ready monies at the time (and I'm awkward enough to spend a weekend writing
and testing)

--

Steve Pampling

[Alan Wrigley]

spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:

> In article <3930eaa152.G...@grahame.parish>, Grahame Parish
> <spam...@millers-way.net> wrote:
> > In message <52a1e3ffce...@btinternet.com> spampling
> > <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > Should you require multiple username send then I have a little BASIC
> > > beastie that sorts the mail by the username in the envelope, moving
> > > each item to directories it creates matching the username and then
> > > sends on behalf of each username the appropriate username/password
> > > combination.
>
> > That's something I'd like to see in Hermes too.
>
> ???
> I thought it was in there. You mean I created a unique feature?

Do you mean by this that it uses different SMTP accounts depending on which
username sends the mail? I can't imagine there are very many users who would
want to do this, let alone have more than one SMTP a/c available to them
anyway.

Alan

--
RISC OS - you know it makes cents

[Grahame Parish]

What I need (it would probably have to be in co-operation with MPro) is
for emails to be separated into outboxes according to the sending domain
and for Hermes to process each of these outboxes by making a discrete
connection using a defined set of credentials/mail servers so that the
right domain's outgoing emails are sent to the correct server with the
correct login information.

This sounds like what you are trying to achieve in PopStar. Hermes may
be able to do this already, but I don't think I've seen any
documentation of its capabilities because it comes as a helper
application within NetFetch.

Grahame.

[Alan Wrigley]

Grahame Parish <maillis...@millers-way.net> wrote:

> What I need (it would probably have to be in co-operation with MPro) is
> for emails to be separated into outboxes according to the sending domain
> and for Hermes to process each of these outboxes by making a discrete
> connection using a defined set of credentials/mail servers so that the
> right domain's outgoing emails are sent to the correct server with the
> correct login information.
>
> This sounds like what you are trying to achieve in PopStar. Hermes may
> be able to do this already

No it doesn't. In the long history of Hermes I think I've only encountered
one person who wanted this feature and R-Comp didn't consider it a priority
for my limited time.

I did discuss it a very long time ago with the then-developer of MPro
because I considered it was really a feature that should be in the client
rather than the transport (a transport's job is to transport, not to manage)
and he felt it wasn't worth the effort.

[Grahame Parish]

In my case I have a main account with my ISP (Virgin, so me
@ntlworld.com). At present I have Hermes set to use this main account
to send and fetch all emails. My wife has her own email address
@ntlworld which is a subsidiary of my account. She has her own domain
and anything she sends goes out via Hermes where Virgin add 'Sent of
behalf of me @ntlworld' and replied come into my mailbox.

I also have a number of domains, such as the one used for news postings,
one for business, and others. I do this so that my email addresses are
constant no matter who my ISP is, so I don't want my ntlworld address
getting out into the wild, into address books, etc. But with Virgin
adding the 'Sent on behalf of' header it negates this aim.

I could use the email server for the domain provider, but I would need
to authenticate against each account separately, which I can't do with
Hermes.

Grahame.

[Ian]

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:48:13 +0100
Grahame Parish <maillis...@millers-way.net> wrote:


> In my case I have a main account with my ISP (Virgin, so me
> @ntlworld.com). At present I have Hermes set to use this main
> account to send and fetch all emails. My wife has her own email
> address @ntlworld which is a subsidiary of my account. She has her
> own domain and anything she sends goes out via Hermes where Virgin
> add 'Sent of behalf of me @ntlworld' and replied come into my mailbox.
>
> I also have a number of domains, such as the one used for news
> postings, one for business, and others. I do this so that my email
> addresses are constant no matter who my ISP is, so I don't want my
> ntlworld address getting out into the wild, into address books, etc.
> But with Virgin adding the 'Sent on behalf of' header it negates this
> aim.
>
> I could use the email server for the domain provider, but I would
> need to authenticate against each account separately, which I can't
> do with Hermes.

I use Prolateral Outmail :-

http://www.prolateral.com/services-hosted-services/services-hosted-services-outmail.html

You can try it for free.

Ian

[Alan Wrigley]

Grahame Parish <maillis...@millers-way.net> wrote:

> In my case I have a main account with my ISP (Virgin, so me
> @ntlworld.com). At present I have Hermes set to use this main account
> to send and fetch all emails. My wife has her own email address
> @ntlworld which is a subsidiary of my account. She has her own domain
> and anything she sends goes out via Hermes where Virgin add 'Sent of
> behalf of me @ntlworld' and replied come into my mailbox.
>
> I also have a number of domains, such as the one used for news postings,
> one for business, and others. I do this so that my email addresses are
> constant no matter who my ISP is, so I don't want my ntlworld address
> getting out into the wild, into address books, etc. But with Virgin
> adding the 'Sent on behalf of' header it negates this aim.

I can see the point of all that. When I get a moment (which won't be right
now) I'll talk to R-Comp about it. Certainly internet usage is more
sophisticated now than it was when I started writing Hermes nearly 10 years
ago. But I think what's really needed is an update to MPro. Being able to
specify the send account from the client is far preferable and also much
more flexible - for example, I have more than one SMTP a/c available and
sometimes I have to switch between the two, but in my case it's because
certain subject lines are rejected by one of the servers so filtering on
username would be pointless.

[Martin Bazley]

The following bytes were arranged on 19 Jun 2012 by Alan Wrigley :

> Grahame Parish <maillis...@millers-way.net> wrote:
>
> > What I need (it would probably have to be in co-operation with MPro) is
> > for emails to be separated into outboxes according to the sending domain
> > and for Hermes to process each of these outboxes by making a discrete
> > connection using a defined set of credentials/mail servers so that the
> > right domain's outgoing emails are sent to the correct server with the
> > correct login information.
> >
> > This sounds like what you are trying to achieve in PopStar. Hermes may
> > be able to do this already
>
> No it doesn't. In the long history of Hermes I think I've only encountered
> one person who wanted this feature and R-Comp didn't consider it a priority
> for my limited time.

Oddly, I recently requested this exact feature after having acquired a
new POP box and access to a new SMTP server owned by my university.
Andrew told me that Hermes had no support for using different outboxes
for different email addresses, and advised me to carry on using my
existing one for everything.

Of course, it's possible it's me of whom you were thinking!

--
__<^>__ "Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."
/ _ _ \ - W.C. Fields
( ( |_| ) )
\_> <_/ ======================= Martin Bazley ==========================

[Alan Wrigley]

Martin Bazley <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Of course, it's possible it's me of whom you were thinking!

No it wasn't you, Martin. It was someone I spoke to at a show (Wakefield I
think) several years ago.

[Alan Wrigley]

Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

> That's odd given that with the 'other' MPro I have seven SMTP accounts. I
> think you have to select the one you want though, if it's not the default.


The 'other' MPro is an integrated client and transport. Different kettle of
fish.

[Martin Bazley]

The following bytes were arranged on 19 Jun 2012 by Alan Wrigley :

> Martin Bazley <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Of course, it's possible it's me of whom you were thinking!
>
> No it wasn't you, Martin. It was someone I spoke to at a show (Wakefield I
> think) several years ago.

Well, in that case, also bearing in mind other posts in this thread, it
sounds as if you've been seriously misinformed about the demand...

--
__<^>__ Red sky in the morning: Shepherd's warning
/ _ _ \ Red sky at night: Shepherd's delight
( ( |_| ) ) Mince and potatoes: Shepherd's pie

[John Sandford]

Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

>
> That's odd given that with the 'other' MPro I have seven SMTP accounts. I
> think you have to select the one you want though, if it's not the default.

> I usually only use one, so I'm not entirely sure.
>
You set an Identity (email address) for the server then its automatic.
but as Alan says, its a different kettle of fish.

John

--
John Sandford
home

[spampling]

In article
<gemini.m5uw1g001w...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>,

Standard BT account subscription:
Up to 8 (or is it 10?[1]) user ids/user accounts (not aliases on the one
account)
Each id has its own username/password combination.

Each of those ids can have numerous aliases.

Any attempt to send mail for user id1 with the account details of id2 is
treated as spoofing and the mail send is rejected.
Since PopStar sends the mail from PopStar$MailDir only then ALL mail
generated is dropped into that one directory ready for sending. My solution
was to split and do multiple sends one after the other.

Since all BT subscribers would appear to have this, unless they don't allow
other family members to use the same machine or they use a non-RISC OS
mail client I'd imagine they have the need.

> Alan

[1] Whichever it is I have 6 unique ids in use.

--

Steve Pampling

[Alan Wrigley]

Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

> In message <mpro.m5vi02000...@thesandfords.me.uk>

> Yes but I was really referring to the first developer's opinion.

Ah, misunderstanding. I wasn't referring to the original developer (Mark).

[spampling]

In article <366850a2...@blueyonder.co.uk>, Martin Bazley

<martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> The following bytes were arranged on 19 Jun 2012 by Alan Wrigley :

> > Grahame Parish <maillis...@millers-way.net> wrote:
> >
> > > What I need (it would probably have to be in co-operation with MPro)
> > > is for emails to be separated into outboxes according to the sending
> > > domain and for Hermes to process each of these outboxes by making a
> > > discrete connection using a defined set of credentials/mail servers
> > > so that the right domain's outgoing emails are sent to the correct
> > > server with the correct login information.
> > >
> > > This sounds like what you are trying to achieve in PopStar. Hermes
> > > may be able to do this already
> >
> > No it doesn't. In the long history of Hermes I think I've only
> > encountered one person who wanted this feature and R-Comp didn't
> > consider it a priority for my limited time.

> Oddly, I recently requested this exact feature after having acquired a
> new POP box and access to a new SMTP server owned by my university.
> Andrew told me that Hermes had no support for using different outboxes
> for different email addresses, and advised me to carry on using my
> existing one for everything.

I could let you have a copy to butcher as you will.
This beastie rips the account info from the Antispam settings as a
convenient resource. I assume other setups will require a means of reading
the account details from a different location and possibly not plain text.

--

Steve Pampling

[Alan Wrigley]

spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Standard BT account subscription:
> Up to 8 (or is it 10?[1]) user ids/user accounts (not aliases on the one
> account)
> Each id has its own username/password combination.
>
> Each of those ids can have numerous aliases.

I wasn't aware of this development. Does anyone know if any other ISPs are
doing something similar?

This does rather change the situation and makes it something that would be
desirable for Hermes to support.

[patric aristide]

On 2012-06-19, Martin Bazley <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> The following bytes were arranged on 19 Jun 2012 by Alan Wrigley :
>
>> Martin Bazley <martin...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Of course, it's possible it's me of whom you were thinking!
>>
>> No it wasn't you, Martin. It was someone I spoke to at a show (Wakefield I
>> think) several years ago.
>
> Well, in that case, also bearing in mind other posts in this thread, it
> sounds as if you've been seriously misinformed about the demand...
>

Actually this was one of the main reasons why I stopped bothering.
I'd seriously consider returning to MPro if this could be implemented.
Meanwhile I'm happy with Alpine and Fetchmail

Patric
--
GL

[Steve Fryatt]

On 18 Jun, spampling wrote in message
<52a1e44340...@btinternet.com>:

> In article <52a1afd7...@walkingingermany.invalid>,
> Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Does Antispam offer any advantages over POPStar (other than its spam
> > processing facilities) as a mail fetcher?
>
> Do you want any? It's open source - which for me when Dave Higton did the
> first version meant I could twiddle and feed the details to Dave.

POPstar's open source, too.

--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

[Doug Webb]

In message <gemini.m5vjff003qald026c.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyou
rself.co.uk>
Alan Wrigley <spam...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>
wrote:

Desirable yes as a Hermes development but easily curable by going in
to your BT account and authorising alternative ID's/email addresses to
be able to send from that single ID.


--
See and experience the future using ARM Technology - BeagleBoard -xM,
Cortex A8 and RISC OS 5.19.

[spampling]

In article <mpro.m5vtlw01...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt

<ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 18 Jun, spampling wrote in message
> <52a1e44340...@btinternet.com>:

> > In article <52a1afd7...@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell
> > Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Does Antispam offer any advantages over POPStar (other than its spam
> > > processing facilities) as a mail fetcher?
> >
> > Do you want any? It's open source - which for me when Dave Higton did
> > the first version meant I could twiddle and feed the details to Dave.

> POPstar's open source, too.

Yup. C is a bit more of a pain for most people though.
Hence me doing the helper as BASIC rather than altering the PopStar source
and compiling

--

Steve Pampling

[Frank de Bruijn]

In article <52a25e235e...@btinternet.com>,

spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> This beastie rips the account info from the Antispam settings as a
> convenient resource. I assume other setups will require a means of
> reading the account details from a different location and possibly not
> plain text.

Because POPstar doesn't handle secure connections, I created a simple
mail submission client a couple of years ago. Development kind of halted
when I switched the mail accounts requiring SSL or TLS to Thunderbird on
Linux. So I never really used it much myself and never got round to
creating a proper settings window (it uses a text file). It doesn't need
separate outboxes, but can be told which server/account to use for which
sender.

It's at http://www.aconet.org/tools/msc.zip for anyone wanting to play
with it. Unfortunately that package doesn't include the SecureSockets
module, as I'm not allowed to distribute that.

Regards,
Frank

[spampling]

In article <325678a252...@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com>, Doug Webb

<doug....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In message <gemini.m5vjff003qald026c.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyou
> rself.co.uk> Alan Wrigley <spam...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>
> wrote:

> > spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:

> >> Standard BT account subscription: Up to 8 (or is it 10?[1]) user
> >> ids/user accounts (not aliases on the one account) Each id has its
> >> own username/password combination.
> >>
> >> Each of those ids can have numerous aliases.

> > I wasn't aware of this development. Does anyone know if any other ISPs
> > are doing something similar?

> > This does rather change the situation and makes it something that
> > would be desirable for Hermes to support.

> Desirable yes as a Hermes development but easily curable by going in to
> your BT account and authorising alternative ID's/email addresses to be
> able to send from that single ID.

I think that only works for the name aliases setup. I thought the true
username setup was effectively a different account but paid by the same
subscriber.
Either way, there are a fair number of people with more than one ISP in use
for their mail and a quickly changed variable is the neatest solution.

As pointed out elsewhere altering Popstar would be neater.

--

Steve Pampling

[Doug Webb]

In message <52a2a980f6...@btinternet.com>
spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:


[snip]

>>>

>> Desirable yes as a Hermes development but easily curable by going in to
>> your BT account and authorising alternative ID's/email addresses to be
>> able to send from that single ID.

> I think that only works for the name aliases setup. I thought the true
> username setup was effectively a different account but paid by the same
> subscriber.

No different ISP details are also able to be set up.

> Either way, there are a fair number of people with more than one ISP in use
> for their mail and a quickly changed variable is the neatest solution.

> As pointed out elsewhere altering Popstar would be neater.

Agree and even neater !Hermes

[Grahame Parish]

On 19/06/2012 22:45, Doug Webb wrote:
> In message<gemini.m5vjff003qald026c.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyou
> rself.co.uk>
> Alan Wrigley<spam...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> spampling<spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>> Standard BT account subscription:
>>> Up to 8 (or is it 10?[1]) user ids/user accounts (not aliases on the one
>>> account)
>>> Each id has its own username/password combination.
>>>
>>> Each of those ids can have numerous aliases.
>
>> I wasn't aware of this development. Does anyone know if any other ISPs are
>> doing something similar?
>
>> This does rather change the situation and makes it something that would be
>> desirable for Hermes to support.
>
> Desirable yes as a Hermes development but easily curable by going in
> to your BT account and authorising alternative ID's/email addresses to
> be able to send from that single ID.
>
>

In the case of Virgin, this will mark all email as sent on behalf of the
main account, which is what is currently happening. When they still
used in-house mail servers it was all transparent, but the move to gmail
has screwed it up completely.

[Chris Evans]

In article <jrpe50$a1n$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Grahame Parish

I'm confused, I use the ANT Suite but may have to move to Messenger at home.
I thought that provided it was authenticated nearly all ISP alow SMTP
sending from any address!

Are you saying the Messanger Pro wouldn't alow me to choose when sending
emails between say chris@cje... & sales@cjem.... ?

I wouldn't have thoughyt the transport would care, but that the email client
would be the bit that needed support.

Maybe I'm just missunderstanding this thread!

Chris Evans

--
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Telephone: 01903 523222 Fax: 01903 523679
ch...@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN11 2EN
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[John Sandford]

Chris Evans <ch...@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm confused, I use the ANT Suite but may have to move to Messenger at
> home. I thought that provided it was authenticated nearly all ISP alow
> SMTP sending from any address!
>
> Are you saying the Messanger Pro wouldn't alow me to choose when sending
> emails between say chris@cje... & sales@cjem.... ?

No, you can do that, what it does not do is allow you to use different smtp
servers based on the email domain, ie m...@mydomain.com sent via
smtp.mydomain.com and m...@work.com sent by smtp.work.com

> I wouldn't have thoughyt the transport would care, but that the email
> client would be the bit that needed support.
>
> Maybe I'm just missunderstanding this thread!
>
> Chris Evans
>

[spampling]

In article <055ab0a252...@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com>, Doug Webb

<doug....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In message <52a2a980f6...@btinternet.com> spampling
> <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:

> >> Desirable yes as a Hermes development but easily curable by going in
> >> to your BT account and authorising alternative ID's/email addresses
> >> to be able to send from that single ID.

> > I think that only works for the name aliases setup. I thought the true
> > username setup was effectively a different account but paid by the
> > same subscriber.

> No different ISP details are also able to be set up.

Hmmm I stand corrected - I shall have to check the BT configuration info
pages.

> > Either way, there are a fair number of people with more than one ISP
> > in use for their mail and a quickly changed variable is the neatest
> > solution.

> > As pointed out elsewhere altering Popstar would be neater.

> Agree and even neater !Hermes

Not really - you see if the change was made to Popstar then all users of
Popstar have the facility and IIRC Popstar actually sits inside the Hermes
package along with NewsHound

--

Steve Pampling

[spampling]

In article <52a2a7ecd1...@hotmail.com>,

Frank de Bruijn <zuide...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's at http://www.aconet.org/tools/msc.zip for anyone wanting to play
> with it. Unfortunately that package doesn't include the SecureSockets
> module, as I'm not allowed to distribute that.

I'm not sure that module is compiled in OMAP3/4 compatible form anyway -
which is likely to an issue more and more.

--

Steve Pampling

[Brian Carroll]

In article <52a2dfeaa1...@btinternet.com>, spampling

<spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <055ab0a252...@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com>,
> Doug Webb <doug....@btinternet.com> wrote:

[ ... ]

> > Agree and even neater !Hermes

> Not really - you see if the change was made to Popstar then
> all users of Popstar have the facility and IIRC Popstar
> actually sits inside the Hermes package along with NewsHound

That is not so here. Hermes is an application in its own right -
an email transport - which has nothing to do with PopStar -
another email transport. Hermes sits inside NetFetch alongside
NewsHound and FTPc.

Or am I even more confused than usual?

Brian.

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______________________________________________________________

Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK
______________________________________________________________

[Grahame Parish]

In message <52a2dfeaa1...@btinternet.com>

No, Hermes does its own email transfer - it uses Newshound for news,
but doesn't use an external mail helper.

--
Grahame Parish
Aylesbury, Bucks. HP19 (UK)
maillistDOTparishATmillersHYPHENwayDOTnet

[Chris Hughes]

In message <52a2dfeaa1...@btinternet.com>
spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:

No you are incorrect, Popstar is no longer used. Hermes replaced it.

--
Chris Hughes

[Dave Higton]

In message
<gemini.m5uw1g001w...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>

Alan Wrigley <spam...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote:

> spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>

> > In article <3930eaa152.G...@grahame.parish>, Grahame Parish

> > <spam...@millers-way.net> wrote:
> > > In message <52a1e3ffce...@btinternet.com> spampling
> > > <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Should you require multiple username send then I have a little BASIC
> > > > beastie that sorts the mail by the username in the envelope, moving
> > > > each item to directories it creates matching the username and then
> > > > sends on behalf of each username the appropriate username/password
> > > > combination.
> >
> > > That's something I'd like to see in Hermes too.
> >
> > ??? I thought it was in there. You mean I created a unique feature?
>

> Do you mean by this that it uses different SMTP accounts depending on which
> username sends the mail? I can't imagine there are very many users who
> would want to do this, let alone have more than one SMTP a/c available to
> them anyway.

I currently have two active email accounts: one on the dsl.pipex.com
domain and one on davehigton.me.uk. It would be very handy to be able
to switch my RISC OS email setup between them, as easily as I can on
my mobile phone. Note: it's not just two users, it's two domains,
and therefore two POP3 servers and two SMTP servers to point at.

My davehigton.me.uk account is hosted by Inbox.com, which I selected
from a long list of free email hosting companies. Although it isn't
perfect (and I shall be looking for another hosting company), it's
better than TalkTalk because I can send via SMTP from anywhere; I'm
not limited to my home IP address. If you've ever tried to send
email from a mobile phone via webmail, you'll know why that is an
advantage.

So: anyone can have multiple accounts, and it can be advantageous to
do so.

Dave

[Steve Fryatt]

On 20 Jun, spampling wrote in message
<52a295fdce...@btinternet.com>:

> In article <mpro.m5vtlw01...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
> <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> > On 18 Jun, spampling wrote in message
> > <52a1e44340...@btinternet.com>:
>

> > > Do you want any? It's open source - which for me when Dave Higton did
> > > the first version meant I could twiddle and feed the details to Dave.
>
> > POPstar's open source, too.
>
> Yup. C is a bit more of a pain for most people though.

Dunno. I find BBC BASIC a pain to work in these days... ;-)

[Steve Fryatt]

On 20 Jun, Chris Evans wrote in message
<ant20113...@client.cjemicros.co.uk>:

> Are you saying the Messanger Pro wouldn't alow me to choose when sending
> emails between say chris@cje... & sales@cjem.... ?
>
> I wouldn't have thoughyt the transport would care, but that the email
> client would be the bit that needed support.

M-Pro is perfectly happy to do this: I did it for years (obviously not
@cje..., of course) and now use M-Pro for Linux in exactly the same way. If
configured correctly, it's possible to change the From address of an email
on the fly using a pop-up menu.

Your ISP might not be happy, but if they are now then there's no reason why
they would be less so with M-Pro.

[m...@privacy.net]

On 19 Jun,

Alan Wrigley <spam...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote:

> Do you mean by this that it uses different SMTP accounts depending on which
> username sends the mail? I can't imagine there are very many users who
> would want to do this, let alone have more than one SMTP a/c available to
> them anyway.
>

I do that with the windows version of MPro. Yahoo groups won't let me post
via a server other than yahoo's own. For most of ny other mail I use my own
domain's server.

--
Brian D
VirtualRPC-AdjustSA
Change lycos to yahoo to reply.

[spampling]

In article <52a2e4b0b3...@argonet.co.uk>,

Brian Carroll <bric-...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52a2dfeaa1...@btinternet.com>, spampling
> <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > In article <055ab0a252...@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com>,
> > Doug Webb <doug....@btinternet.com> wrote:

> [ ... ]

> > > Agree and even neater !Hermes

> > Not really - you see if the change was made to Popstar then
> > all users of Popstar have the facility and IIRC Popstar
> > actually sits inside the Hermes package along with NewsHound

> That is not so here. Hermes is an application in its own right -
> an email transport - which has nothing to do with PopStar -
> another email transport. Hermes sits inside NetFetch alongside
> NewsHound and FTPc.


> Or am I even more confused than usual?

No, I was under the impression that it was both Popstar and Newshound in
the package.
Since I have never had need of anything other than the non-commercial items
and have hacked up other things as needed I hadn't studied the inner
elements of the paid for alternatives. From Chris's reply the source of
my misaprehension is clear - time moves on and things change.

OK, so the requirement is only for people currently using Popstar - a group
of unknown size. I'll go back to fitting a beagle in an LTO3 tape box.

--

Steve Pampling

[Russell Hafter News]

In article <52A2FF12E6%brian...@lycos.co.uk>,

<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 19 Jun, Alan Wrigley
> <spam...@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote:

> > Do you mean by this that it uses different SMTP
> > accounts depending on which username sends the mail? I
> > can't imagine there are very many users who would want
> > to do this, let alone have more than one SMTP a/c
> > available to them anyway.

> I do that with the windows version of MPro. Yahoo groups
> won't let me post via a server other than yahoo's own.
> For most of ny other mail I use my own domain's server.

That cannot be the case in general.

I post to four Yahoo groups, using three different e-mail
addresses. E-mail gets through using whichever SMTP server I
have currently configured for use.

I do not even know what Yahoo's SMTP server is.

And given the level of computer knowledge in the busiest of
those groups, I cannot imagine that most others on that
group would have the faintest idea what an SMTP server is,
and even less idea of how reconfigure their software to use
a different one.

--
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

[spampling]

In article <mpro.m5xq8u01...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,

Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 20 Jun, spampling wrote in message
> <52a295fdce...@btinternet.com>:

> > In article <mpro.m5vtlw01...@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
> > <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> > > On 18 Jun, spampling wrote in message
> > > <52a1e44340...@btinternet.com>:
> >
> > > > Do you want any? It's open source - which for me when Dave Higton
> > > > did the first version meant I could twiddle and feed the details
> > > > to Dave.
> >
> > > POPstar's open source, too.
> >
> > Yup. C is a bit more of a pain for most people though.

> Dunno. I find BBC BASIC a pain to work in these days... ;-)

:-P
I spend my day making sure a collection of obsolete data switches don't
cause problems for a set of 4000 concurrent users involved in the provision
of healthcare. Finding the time to learn other stuff not related is
difficult.
I could do with a nice neat tutorial on perl at the moment. Stuff not done
and that IS work related.

--

Steve Pampling

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

<m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> I do that with the windows version of MPro. Yahoo groups won't let me post
> via a server other than yahoo's own. For most of ny other mail I use my
> own domain's server.

I also use the Windows version of MPro.

All my outbound yahoo posts go via SMTP servers which have nothing to do
with Yahoo.

All that's required for Yahoo to accept them is that the email address that
the posts are from is one of the those associated with my yahoo id. The
mails all get sent 'from' an address at wingsandbeaks.org.uk, while Yahoo
sends its copies of everyone's posts to a different id of mine at a
different domain. I'm only subscribed once to each Yahoo group, with one
Yahoo id, but that id has several email addresses associated with it.

--
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsre...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".