Re: Sutdown version 1.00 released

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Tony Moore

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Jul 20, 2011, 1:05:10 PM7/20/11
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On 18 Jul 2011, Kevin Wells <kevin...@talktalk.net> wrote:

> I have released the first version of a new application called
> Shutdown.

Steve Potts has already used that application name, see
http://www.blastzone.demon.co.uk/content/software.html

Tony

John Williams (News)

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Jul 20, 2011, 1:07:15 PM7/20/11
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In article <b69fd9f551.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > I have released the first version of a new application called
> > Shutdown.

> Steve Potts has already used that application name, see
> http://www.blastzone.demon.co.uk/content/software.html

But is it registered?

And I rather like 'Sutdown'!

John

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Dave Symes

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Jul 20, 2011, 1:39:01 PM7/20/11
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In article <ap.add6b451f5.a...@argonet.co.uk>,
Kevin Wells <kevin...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Hello,

> I have released the first version of a new application called Shutdown.

> It sits on the left hand side of the iconbar and when clicked brings up
> the RISC OS shutdown procedure.

> It can be downloaded from:

> <http://riscos.kevsoft.co.uk/>

> Or

> <http://riscos.kevsoft.co.uk/news/?p=42>

Erm! Won't Ctrl-Shift-F12 do anymore, or even Menu on the Switcher icon?

Dave

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Dr Peter Young

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Jul 20, 2011, 1:52:36 PM7/20/11
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On 18 Jul 2011 Kevin Wells <kevin...@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Hello,

> I have released the first version of a new application called Shutdown.

> It sits on the left hand side of the iconbar and when clicked brings up
> the RISC OS shutdown procedure.

Trying to open the zip from today's TempDir directory on RISC OS 5.16
crashed TempDir, with the message from WimpLog:

20 Jul 18:47:32 000 80000002: Error from (unknown): Internal error:
abort on data transfer at &FC031A40

No idea what this means!

With best wishes,

Peter.

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Kevin Wells

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"John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <b69fd9f551.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > I have released the first version of a new application called
>> > Shutdown.
>
>> Steve Potts has already used that application name, see
>> http://www.blastzone.demon.co.uk/content/software.html
>
>But is it registered?
>
>And I rather like 'Sutdown'!

I must proofread my emails before posting, it could of been worse I
could of typed Slutdown.
>
>John
>


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Kevin Wells

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Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I guess for a later version I better rename it.
>
>Tony
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Kevin Wells

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Dr Peter Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 18 Jul 2011 Kevin Wells <kevin...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>
>> I have released the first version of a new application called Shutdown.
>
>> It sits on the left hand side of the iconbar and when clicked brings up
>> the RISC OS shutdown procedure.
>
>Trying to open the zip from today's TempDir directory on RISC OS 5.16
>crashed TempDir, with the message from WimpLog:

I don't use TempDir, as I use Memphis for temporary and test downloads.


>
>20 Jul 18:47:32 000 80000002: Error from (unknown): Internal error:
>abort on data transfer at &FC031A40
>
>No idea what this means!

Me either.
>
>With best wishes,
>
>Peter.
>


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Kevin Wells

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Jul 20, 2011, 3:15:38 PM7/20/11
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Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

It was done for a club, where the majority of the users do not use RISC
OS so I thought I would release it for others as well.

1 click of the mouse is all that is required.
>
>Dave
>

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druck

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Jul 20, 2011, 3:48:35 PM7/20/11
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On 20/07/2011 20:15, Kevin Wells wrote:
> In message<51f5dcb...@triffid.co.uk>
> Dave Symes<da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article<ap.add6b451f5.a...@argonet.co.uk>,
>> Kevin Wells<kevin...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>> It sits on the left hand side of the iconbar and when clicked brings up
>>> the RISC OS shutdown procedure.

>> Erm! Won't Ctrl-Shift-F12 do anymore, or even Menu on the Switcher icon?


>
> It was done for a club, where the majority of the users do not use RISC
> OS so I thought I would release it for others as well.
>
> 1 click of the mouse is all that is required.

^
Accidental! :-)

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Dave Symes

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Jul 20, 2011, 4:06:17 PM7/20/11
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In article <5891e5f5...@talktalk.net>,
Kevin Wells <kevin...@talktalk.net> wrote:

[Snip]

> It was done for a club, where the majority of the users do not use RISC
> OS so I thought I would release it for others as well.

> 1 click of the mouse is all that is required.

...Pants on fire... ;-)

It requires two mouse clicks.

Click one on the icon bar icon.
Brings forth the Taskmanager closedown window.
Click two on the Shutdown button to do the business.

Dave

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Kevin Wells

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Jul 20, 2011, 4:41:44 PM7/20/11
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Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

One click brings up the RISC OS shutdown window.
>
>Dave
>

http://dave.kevsoft.co.uk/ Best sellers and new releases.

Kevin Wells

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druck <ne...@druck.org.uk> wrote:

Brings up the RISC OS shutdown window.
>
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Matthew Phillips

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Jul 21, 2011, 2:14:40 AM7/21/11
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on 20 Jul 2011 Kevin Wells wrote:

> In message <b69fd9f551.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Steve Potts has already used that application name, see
> >http://www.blastzone.demon.co.uk/content/software.html
>
> I guess for a later version I better rename it.

Well, if you've not had the name officially allocated, you'd better!

Anyone releasing software should really use the allocations service: it saves
all this hassle and avoids problems for users with clashes of variable names,
sprites etc.

See http://www.riscosopen.org/content/allocate

You download a little application and make a request file using that, and
e-mail it off to allo...@riscosopen.org

They get back to you pretty quickly usually.

Looking down your other apps, you might want to know that someone's already
taken the name "Link" as well.

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Matthew Phillips

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Jul 21, 2011, 2:10:37 AM7/21/11
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on 20 Jul 2011 Dr Peter Young wrote:

> Trying to open the zip from today's TempDir directory on RISC OS 5.16
> crashed TempDir, with the message from WimpLog:
>
> 20 Jul 18:47:32 000 80000002: Error from (unknown): Internal error:
> abort on data transfer at &FC031A40
>
> No idea what this means!

I think Kevin must have used sprites which can be rendered only on RISC OS
Select for the application's icon. On RISC OS 4.02 it also causes problems
opening the zip file, but doesn't completely crash the Filer as occurred on
my Iyonix.

When trying to open the !Sprites or !Sprites22 on 4.02 I get the error "Bad
Sprite data" from Paint.

I was trying to work out how such a simple application could be 68K when
zipped, but it's because it's based on DrWimp, which is 136K unzipped in
itself. The actual !RunImage is only 4K.

I don't suppose the application will meet with much favour for users of RISC
OS 5 or RISC OS 3.7 and earlier, because on those machines it will just shut
your computer down with a single click: there is no "shutdown window" asking
you whether you're sure.

By the way, Kevin, in your PROCclosedown you have a weird set of
instructions:

close$=CHR$(&1FC)
close%=&1FC
FOR char%=1 TO LEN(close$)
SYS"Wimp_ProcessKey",close%
NEXT

All that could just be replaced by

SYS"Wimp_ProcessKey",&1FC

Note that saying CHR$(&1FC) is pretty meaningless. Numbers greater than &FF
cannot be used with CHR$, at least not the way you're thinking. Anything
beyond two hex digits will be stripped off, so what you have written has the
same effect as

close$=CHR$(&FC)

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Steve Fryatt

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Jul 21, 2011, 3:53:00 AM7/21/11
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On 18 Jul, Kevin Wells wrote in message
<ap.add6b451f5.a...@argonet.co.uk>:

> It sits on the left hand side of the iconbar and when clicked brings up
> the RISC OS shutdown procedure.

Why the left-hand side of the iconbar? That's reserved for attached
hardware devices; system shutdown (if the Switcher isn't easy enough) should
be on the right-hand side (probably prioritised to sit to the left of the
Switcher).

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Steve Fryatt

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Jul 21, 2011, 3:47:50 AM7/21/11
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On 20 Jul, Kevin Wells wrote in message
<baacdff5...@talktalk.net>:

> In message <b69fd9f551.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
> Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 18 Jul 2011, Kevin Wells <kevin...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I have released the first version of a new application called
> > > Shutdown.
> >
> > Steve Potts has already used that application name, see
> > http://www.blastzone.demon.co.uk/content/software.html
>
> I guess for a later version I better rename it.

Wouldn't it be better to just allocate a name and be done with it? That
way, if Shutdown /is/ taken, you won't have to change the name later when it
would be more confusing.

Allocation is free, quick and easy, and avoids all kinds of problems that
you might otherwise be inflicting on your users. It also avoids you
annoying other developers when you trample all over their legitimately
allocated resource names (no idea if Steve allocates his names, either, but
you get the idea).

There's no excuse these days for releasing an application without allocating
the resources it uses.

Seriously -- just get it sorted.

David Mc Dowell

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In message <ap.add6b451f5.a...@argonet.co.uk>
Kevin Wells <kevin...@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>

> I have released the first version of a new application called Shutdown.
>

> It sits on the left hand side of the iconbar and when clicked brings up
> the RISC OS shutdown procedure.
>

> It can be downloaded from:
>
> <http://riscos.kevsoft.co.uk/>
>
> Or
>
> <http://riscos.kevsoft.co.uk/news/?p=42>
>

Sorry to report after downloading !Shutdown twice.

Shutdowns SparkFS archive causes RISC OS Filer to 'Crash' all windows to
disappear from Desktop on Iyonix RO 5.16 when trying to unpack it!

Unknown Error: &FC031A40, so ran *Where utility:-

ADFS::RUR.$ *where &FC031A40

Address FC031A40 is at offset 00013928 in module UtilityModule
Internal error: undefined instruction at &EC04A6F0

Hope this helps.

Regards, David.

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Chris Johnson

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Jul 21, 2011, 2:26:19 PM7/21/11
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In article <44374df...@ntlworld.com>,

David Mc Dowell <david.m...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Shutdowns SparkFS archive causes RISC OS Filer to 'Crash' all windows to
> disappear from Desktop on Iyonix RO 5.16 when trying to unpack it!

> Unknown Error: &FC031A40, so ran *Where utility:-

Errors in the same way using RISC OS 5.17 and SparkFS 1.42, but
doesn't take anything else out.

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Chris Johnson

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In article <44374df...@ntlworld.com>,
David Mc Dowell <david.m...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Shutdowns SparkFS archive causes RISC OS Filer to 'Crash' all
> windows to disappear from Desktop on Iyonix RO 5.16 when trying to
> unpack it!

Sorry - contrary to my last post the filer is taken out - I misread
'all windows' to mean *all windows* rather than filer windows 8o(

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Chris Johnson

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In article <51f6655c0bchr...@spamcop.net>,

... and when doing a reboot the machine powered off immediately,
rather than giving you a few seconds to reboot.

Does it do something funny in !Boot that is executed immediately
SparkFS gets as far as extracting the !Boot file?

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Kevin Wells

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Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

>On 18 Jul, Kevin Wells wrote in message
> <ap.add6b451f5.a...@argonet.co.uk>:
>
>> It sits on the left hand side of the iconbar and when clicked brings up
>> the RISC OS shutdown procedure.
>
>Why the left-hand side of the iconbar? That's reserved for attached
>hardware devices; system shutdown (if the Switcher isn't easy enough) should
>be on the right-hand side (probably prioritised to sit to the left of the
>Switcher).

It was designed to be used in a club where only one person knows about
RISC OS and what they were doing was turning off the computer by turning
it off.

They have no reason to use the left hand side of the computer, so it is
less likely that they will hit it by accident.
>

Feeling stupid I know I am.

Kevin Wells

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Chris Johnson <chrisjoh...@spamcop.net> wrote:

I had alpha transparent sprites for some reason, I never use them must
have moved the mouse at the wrong time.
>

24 hours in a day and 24 beers in a case. Hmmm..

Kevin Wells

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Matthew Phillips <spam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <3df7ddf55...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
> on 20 Jul 2011 Dr Peter Young wrote:
>
>> Trying to open the zip from today's TempDir directory on RISC OS 5.16
>> crashed TempDir, with the message from WimpLog:
>>
>> 20 Jul 18:47:32 000 80000002: Error from (unknown): Internal error:
>> abort on data transfer at &FC031A40
>>
>> No idea what this means!
>
>I think Kevin must have used sprites which can be rendered only on RISC OS
>Select for the application's icon. On RISC OS 4.02 it also causes problems
>opening the zip file, but doesn't completely crash the Filer as occurred on
>my Iyonix.
>
>When trying to open the !Sprites or !Sprites22 on 4.02 I get the error "Bad
>Sprite data" from Paint.

I did for some strange reason I had alpha transparency instead of
standard, new version uploaded with standard transparency sprites.


>
>I was trying to work out how such a simple application could be 68K when
>zipped, but it's because it's based on DrWimp, which is 136K unzipped in
>itself. The actual !RunImage is only 4K.
>
>I don't suppose the application will meet with much favour for users of RISC
>OS 5 or RISC OS 3.7 and earlier, because on those machines it will just shut
>your computer down with a single click: there is no "shutdown window" asking
>you whether you're sure.

I would of thought that a shutdown warning would be a good idea. mind
you the application is not ment for experienced RISC OS users.


>
>By the way, Kevin, in your PROCclosedown you have a weird set of
>instructions:
>
>close$=CHR$(&1FC)
>close%=&1FC
>FOR char%=1 TO LEN(close$)
> SYS"Wimp_ProcessKey",close%
>NEXT
>
>All that could just be replaced by
>
>SYS"Wimp_ProcessKey",&1FC

OK thanks for that.


>
>Note that saying CHR$(&1FC) is pretty meaningless. Numbers greater than &FF
>cannot be used with CHR$, at least not the way you're thinking. Anything
>beyond two hex digits will be stripped off, so what you have written has the
>same effect as
>
>close$=CHR$(&FC)
>


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John Williams (News)

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In article <51f6f26...@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
Dave Stratford <da...@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> Argh. Doesn't anyone know the English language.

> "... it could HAVE been worse I could HAVE typed ..."

> 'have' not 'of' in the sentence, and twice wrong at that.

> Grrrr.

I'm afraid I was too polite to mention it!

Perhaps so should you?

John Williams (News)

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In article <51f6f2a...@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
Dave Stratford <da...@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> There's an application called Shutdown on my Icon bar that was written by
> Thomas Baldwin in 1996! Version: 1.04 (27-Oct-96).

Was it subject to allocation?

John Williams (News)

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In article <51f6f761...@tiscali.co.uk>,

John Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Was it subject to allocation?

Steve - is there, or should there be, a database where we can check
existing allocations?

Chris Johnson

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In article <51f6f7ac...@tiscali.co.uk>,

John Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Steve - is there, or should there be, a database where we can check
> existing allocations?

I think the allocation service (past and present) has been reluctant
to make public the allocation data because there could be some
commercially sensitive data there (ie details of stuff in
development). Much less likely now, of course.

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Steve Fryatt

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On 22 Jul, John Williams (News) wrote in message
<51f6f7ac...@tiscali.co.uk>:

> In article <51f6f761...@tiscali.co.uk>,
> John Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Was it subject to allocation?
>
> Steve - is there, or should there be, a database where we can check
> existing allocations?

Of course: it's maintained by ROOL. You think up your name, fill the
details into an allocation file using Allocate, and mail them off to the
correct address. In a few days you get a reply saying either "it's yours",
or "sorry, taken".

The actual data isn't publicly available, as that would breach
confidentiality. And it isn't just commercial companies who might want to
keep allocations private until they choose to announce the project in
question.

Nick Roberts

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Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

Perhaps ROOL should allow those "owning" application names, modules,
etc to opt in to an open list?

While I accept the need for confidentiality while software is in
development, it's a bit silly that applications that have been around
for 10 years are still protected.

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Richard Porter

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Jul 26, 2011, 5:16:59 AM7/26/11
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The date being 22 Jul 2011, Dave Stratford <da...@orpheusmail.co.uk>
decided to write:

> Kevin Wells <kevin...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> "John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>>>Tony Moore <old_c...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I have released the first version of a new application called
>>>>> Shutdown.
>>>

>>>> Steve Potts has already used that application name, see
>>>> http://www.blastzone.demon.co.uk/content/software.html
>>>

>>>But is it registered?
>>>
>>>And I rather like 'Sutdown'!

>> I must proofread my emails before posting, it could of been worse I
>> could of typed Slutdown.

> Argh. Doesn't anyone know the English language.

Actually !Aaaurgh wouldn't have been a bad name for it. :)


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Steve Fryatt

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On 24 Jul, Nick Roberts wrote in message
<5eb6e9f7...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>:

> Perhaps ROOL should allow those "owning" application names, modules, etc
> to opt in to an open list?

There's already an unofficial filetype list; maybe someone could set up a
similar thing for other categories.

The admin overhead and risk of getting it wrong (with potentially messy
legal consequences, given that there are supposedly unused entries from some
of the former RISC OS big names who still exist in other markets) seems to
outweigh any advantages to ROOL doing it. It would effectively be like
vetting the source code all over again, I suspect.

> While I accept the need for confidentiality while software is in
> development, it's a bit silly that applications that have been around for
> 10 years are still protected.

AIUI, it's the stuff that never made it out that's the issue...

Ste (news)

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In article <mpro.lp6xig02...@stevefryatt.org.uk>,

Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> The admin overhead and risk of getting it wrong (with potentially messy
> legal consequences, given that there are supposedly unused entries from
> some of the former RISC OS big names who still exist in other markets)
> seems to outweigh any advantages to ROOL doing it. It would effectively
> be like vetting the source code all over again, I suspect.

Indeed and we at ROOL could frankly do with less admin rather than more. And
one other side-effect is that people would get lazy with a public list and
simply check it and then release their software without bothering to
allocate it first. Therein lies madness.

PS: still no sign of an allocation request for "Sutdown" ;)

Steve

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