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Dave Plowman (News)
Nov 15, 2012, 2:35:12 PM11/15/12
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I've been using Publisher+ for many a year and get on ok with it despite
its (or my) quirks.
Recently wanted to copy a list of facilities leaflet for a charity I do
some work for, and the original files had long since gone - all that was
left was a scruffy crumpled print which was really not good enough to
photo copy.
So I OCR'd it and set about making something close in Publisher. The font
size on the original was small - roughly 6 pt in Homerton and nearly all
upper case.
Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and the
results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick reading it.
;-)
I've printed out far more complex engineering drawings using the same
setup with great success, so wonder what is going on?
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*A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory *
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
its (or my) quirks.
Recently wanted to copy a list of facilities leaflet for a charity I do
some work for, and the original files had long since gone - all that was
left was a scruffy crumpled print which was really not good enough to
photo copy.
So I OCR'd it and set about making something close in Publisher. The font
size on the original was small - roughly 6 pt in Homerton and nearly all
upper case.
Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and the
results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick reading it.
;-)
I've printed out far more complex engineering drawings using the same
setup with great success, so wonder what is going on?
--
*A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory *
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Jim Nagel
Nov 15, 2012, 4:42:30 PM11/15/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote on 15 Nov:
you mean you scanned it, put the result through something like Sleuth2
that turns it into a textfile, and then put that file into Publisher?
If the original was all-caps, the result would no doubt have needed a
LOT of editing. If you turned the original into text, then the 6pt
size of the original is no longer relevant to the result -- you have
the usual options of font, size, etc in Publisher.
Or do you not really mean OCR at all, but just that you scanned it and
dropped bitmaps into Publisher?
> Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and the
> results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick reading it
If you have text rather than bitmap in Publisher, it sounds like the
problem is with the printer rather than with Publisher. What happens
when you print out some other document from Publisher?
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
> I OCR'd it and set about making something close in Publisher. The font
> size on the original was small - roughly 6 pt in Homerton and nearly all
> upper case.
Just to be suer we're understanding you: when you say you "OCR'd" it,
> size on the original was small - roughly 6 pt in Homerton and nearly all
> upper case.
you mean you scanned it, put the result through something like Sleuth2
that turns it into a textfile, and then put that file into Publisher?
If the original was all-caps, the result would no doubt have needed a
LOT of editing. If you turned the original into text, then the 6pt
size of the original is no longer relevant to the result -- you have
the usual options of font, size, etc in Publisher.
Or do you not really mean OCR at all, but just that you scanned it and
dropped bitmaps into Publisher?
> Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and the
> results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick reading it
problem is with the printer rather than with Publisher. What happens
when you print out some other document from Publisher?
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
Dave Plowman (News)
Nov 15, 2012, 5:28:28 PM11/15/12
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In article <8f9b33e...@nails.abbeypress.net>,
> If the original was all-caps, the result would no doubt have needed a
> LOT of editing. If you turned the original into text, then the 6pt
> size of the original is no longer relevant to the result -- you have
> the usual options of font, size, etc in Publisher.
Sleuth worked as well as it ever did. I mentioned the font size in that
it's smaller than I normally use.
> Or do you not really mean OCR at all, but just that you scanned it and
> dropped bitmaps into Publisher?
Why would you do that? Many progs that handle bitmaps rather better than
Publisher.
> > Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and
> > the results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick
> > reading it
> If you have text rather than bitmap in Publisher, it sounds like the
> problem is with the printer rather than with Publisher. What happens
> when you print out some other document from Publisher?
It's fine.
--
*Why 'that tie suits you' but 'those shoes suit you'?*
Jim Nagel <jimne...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote on 15 Nov:
> > I OCR'd it and set about making something close in Publisher. The font
> > size on the original was small - roughly 6 pt in Homerton and nearly all
> > upper case.
> Just to be suer we're understanding you: when you say you "OCR'd" it,
> you mean you scanned it, put the result through something like Sleuth2
> that turns it into a textfile, and then put that file into Publisher?
That's what OCR means. ;-)
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote on 15 Nov:
> > I OCR'd it and set about making something close in Publisher. The font
> > size on the original was small - roughly 6 pt in Homerton and nearly all
> > upper case.
> Just to be suer we're understanding you: when you say you "OCR'd" it,
> you mean you scanned it, put the result through something like Sleuth2
> that turns it into a textfile, and then put that file into Publisher?
> If the original was all-caps, the result would no doubt have needed a
> LOT of editing. If you turned the original into text, then the 6pt
> size of the original is no longer relevant to the result -- you have
> the usual options of font, size, etc in Publisher.
it's smaller than I normally use.
> Or do you not really mean OCR at all, but just that you scanned it and
> dropped bitmaps into Publisher?
Publisher.
> > Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and
> > the results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick
> > reading it
> If you have text rather than bitmap in Publisher, it sounds like the
> problem is with the printer rather than with Publisher. What happens
> when you print out some other document from Publisher?
--
*Why 'that tie suits you' but 'those shoes suit you'?*
spampling
Nov 16, 2012, 2:58:09 AM11/16/12
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In article <52ef27f...@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
out as a text plus style format (Format marking comes in {style 1} type
marking)
Export as that and check for unexpected items.
I've used this kind of technique over many years, up to and including
examining hex dumps of PCL printer output.
OK, I will go and sit in the uber-geek corner...
--
Steve Pampling
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and
> the results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick
> reading it. ;-)
As I recall (long time since I fired up Publisher) you can save the content
> Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and
> the results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick
> reading it. ;-)
out as a text plus style format (Format marking comes in {style 1} type
marking)
Export as that and check for unexpected items.
I've used this kind of technique over many years, up to and including
examining hex dumps of PCL printer output.
OK, I will go and sit in the uber-geek corner...
--
Steve Pampling
Jim Nagel
Nov 16, 2012, 6:05:30 AM11/16/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote on 15 Nov:
> That's what OCR means. ;-)
Sorry; I had to ask to be sure we're speaking the same language (a
necessary habit with Her Who Sometimes uses tech-sounding terms with
her own meaning).
Try putting your file through PrintPDF (or print to Postscript file)
and then, on either Acorn or PC, view the result (in Ghostscript or a
PDF reader). That would show whether the problem is with your route
of Uniprint and Canon printer or actually with Publisher.
The document doesn't sound private, so you're welcome to send it to me
and I'll have a look at the innards. I use Publisher+ all the time.
(If it's huge, upload it somewhere and email just the link.)
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Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
>> "from" address is genuine but will change. website has current one.
Dave Plowman (News)
Nov 16, 2012, 6:09:12 AM11/16/12
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In article <52ef6bf8c2...@btinternet.com>,
> Export as that and check for unexpected items.
> I've used this kind of technique over many years, up to and including
> examining hex dumps of PCL printer output.
> OK, I will go and sit in the uber-geek corner...
What I have done is save it as text and dump into Open Office then set the
font size to the same as I was using in Publisher. Same results when
printing from that - so it would seem my printer doesn't like such small
text - or perhaps in such a dense concentration.
The other things is it was printing sideways - two pages on one A4 to make
a folding leaflet.
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spampling <spam....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <52ef27f...@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
> <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and
> > the results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick
> > reading it. ;-)
> As I recall (long time since I fired up Publisher) you can save the
> content out as a text plus style format (Format marking comes in {style
> 1} type marking)
Yes - there are a few choices for saving out as text.
> In article <52ef27f...@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
> <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and
> > the results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick
> > reading it. ;-)
> As I recall (long time since I fired up Publisher) you can save the
> content out as a text plus style format (Format marking comes in {style
> 1} type marking)
> Export as that and check for unexpected items.
> I've used this kind of technique over many years, up to and including
> examining hex dumps of PCL printer output.
> OK, I will go and sit in the uber-geek corner...
font size to the same as I was using in Publisher. Same results when
printing from that - so it would seem my printer doesn't like such small
text - or perhaps in such a dense concentration.
The other things is it was printing sideways - two pages on one A4 to make
a folding leaflet.
--
*Husband and cat lost -- reward for cat
Jim Nagel
Nov 18, 2012, 7:04:28 AM11/18/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote on 15 Nov:
> Did a trial print - Uniprint to my PC and an Cannon i865 printer - and the
> results are terrible. Print in wavy lines. Makes you sea sick reading it.
> ;-)
Jim Nagel wrote on 16 Nov:
> Try putting your file through PrintPDF ... That would show whether
> the problem is with your route of Uniprint and Canon printer or
> actually with Publisher+.
Just to tie up the loose end of this thread:
I offered to try his file in Publisher+ here. Dave replied by email
that it does appear to be a fault with the printer rather than with
Publisher.
Dave Plowman (News)
Nov 18, 2012, 9:33:01 AM11/18/12
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In article <f3318af...@nails.abbeypress.net>,
a printer 'fault' as it works fine on everything else. Perhaps a quirk?
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Jim Nagel <jimne...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Just to tie up the loose end of this thread:
> I offered to try his file in Publisher+ here. Dave replied by email
> that it does appear to be a fault with the printer rather than with
> Publisher.
I sort of said that in my last post. Although I'm not actually sure it is
> Just to tie up the loose end of this thread:
> I offered to try his file in Publisher+ here. Dave replied by email
> that it does appear to be a fault with the printer rather than with
> Publisher.
a printer 'fault' as it works fine on everything else. Perhaps a quirk?
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*Gun Control: Use both hands.
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