Virtual Acorn and Sibelius 7
John Martin
My youngest would dearly love to have her copy of Sib 7 up and running
again.
Alas she doesn't have an Acorn now, but does have a Sony Vaio laptop.
Will Sib 7 run on Virtual Acorn, or do I have to make a gift of my A4 to
her?
John
Alan Perrow
It will never work well on either John.
Best parcel it up and send it to a good home.
My address is...
:-)
John Martin
Alan Perrow <al...@laughing-gravy.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4b8d3167...@ukgateway.net>,
> John Martin <doc...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> > Before I set out to try it ...
> > My youngest would dearly love to have her copy of Sib 7 up and running
> > again.
> > Alas she doesn't have an Acorn now, but does have a Sony Vaio laptop.
> > Will Sib 7 run on Virtual Acorn, or do I have to make a gift of my A4 to
> > her?
> It will never work well on either John.
I must admith I've never tried it on the A4. However, it did run
reasonably well on my old A440 (now passed on to pastures new), so I would
have thought it would work on the A4.
> Best parcel it up and send it to a good home.
> My address is...
> :-)
In your dreams ...
8-)
John
Alan Perrow
John Martin <doc...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> In your dreams ...
> 8-)
Only jesting John.
Version 6 seems to do all I need it to do, but then I'm a very poor
musician, which you can confirm by asking any who pay me to play:-)
Maybe one day we'll have a musical session by all those acorn people who
play an instrument?
Now *there's* a fine thought!:-)
Hans Heinsbroek
> In article <4b8d34e...@laughing-gravy.co.uk>,
> Alan Perrow <al...@laughing-gravy.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <4b8d3167...@ukgateway.net>,
> > John Martin <doc...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> > > Before I set out to try it ...
>
> > > My youngest would dearly love to have her copy of Sib 7 up and running
> > > again.
>
> > > Alas she doesn't have an Acorn now, but does have a Sony Vaio laptop.
>
> > > Will Sib 7 run on Virtual Acorn, or do I have to make a gift of my A4 to
> > > her?
>
> > It will never work well on either John.
>
> I must admith I've never tried it on the A4. However, it did run
> reasonably well on my old A440 (now passed on to pastures new), so I would
> have thought it would work on the A4.
Sib7 works perfectly on an A4 (at least it did when I temporarily moved
it from the RPC to the A4 about 2 years ago). It even showed the splash
screen which you don't get when using >256 colours.
It's just these sounds. Being used to the PowerWave XG50S the 8-bit
soundmodules lack quality. However if you don't know better then by all
means use them.
Gr. HH
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Mr S C Winsor
> > In your dreams ...
> > 8-)
Well your ZFC suggestion might present an opportunity for some!
Not that I would consider myself "good" by any stretch of the imagination
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John Martin
Hans Heinsbroek <jhein...@tip.nl> wrote:
> Sib7 works perfectly on an A4 (at least it did when I temporarily moved
> it from the RPC to the A4 about 2 years ago). It even showed the splash
> screen which you don't get when using >256 colours.
> It's just these sounds. Being used to the PowerWave XG50S the 8-bit
> soundmodules lack quality. However if you don't know better then by all
> means use them.
I do know better, but she really wants it for writing manuscript.
I have sitting on the desk here an Acorn format DMI XG 50 card (Yamaha
version) which I no longer have any use for. Anyone want to make me an
offer?
John
John Martin
Alan Perrow <al...@laughing-gravy.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4b8dbaa4...@ukgateway.net>,
> John Martin <doc...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> > In your dreams ...
> > 8-)
> Only jesting John.
> Version 6 seems to do all I need it to do
Young Rowena used Sib 7 for her A level music composition module back in
1996 (she got a B, which wasn't bad considering she was doing it in her
own time just for fun!)
I used to use it to generate music files for panto rehearsals at one time,
but it's been sitting there unused for a long time now.
If Sib 7 won't run on Virtual Acorn, then I'll just make a gift of the A4
to her. I've certainly no intention of paying for the PC version for her!
John
Hans Heinsbroek
<URL:mailto:doc...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> In article <ant310030b49cx2*@t252371.worldonline.nl>,
> Hans Heinsbroek <jhein...@tip.nl> wrote:
> > Sib7 works perfectly on an A4 (at least it did when I temporarily moved
> > it from the RPC to the A4 about 2 years ago). It even showed the splash
> > screen which you don't get when using >256 colours.
> > It's just these sounds. Being used to the PowerWave XG50S the 8-bit
> > soundmodules lack quality. However if you don't know better then by all
> > means use them.
>
> I do know better, but she really wants it for writing manuscript.
Ah, well in that case do make the A4 a gift when VA/Sib fails [*]
[*] Advice given in good faith, following it is on your own risk though :)
Robert Greenfield
> If Sib 7 won't run on Virtual Acorn, then I'll just make a gift of the A4
> to her.
Has anyone tried running Sib7 on Virtual Acorn?
I wonder if the amusing situation would occur of the Assembler/Virtual
Acorn Sib runnning faster than the PC version on the same PC.
*bye
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David Coronel
Robert Greenfield <Xmons...@caverock.net.nz> wrote:
> I have observed John Martin <doc...@ukgateway.net>'s posting which said:
>
> > If Sib 7 won't run on Virtual Acorn, then I'll just make a gift of the A4
> > to her.
>
> Has anyone tried running Sib7 on Virtual Acorn?
> I wonder if the amusing situation would occur of the Assembler/Virtual
> Acorn Sib runnning faster than the PC version on the same PC.
>
> *bye
I have tried to run Sibelius 7 on Virtual Acorn without success.
My tests have not, however, been exhaustive! This is how I tried
(and failed) to get it to run, so if you see a flaw or an alternative
method that might work, let me know!
(i) Because Virtual Acorn cannot read the original ADFS
(protected) installation disc, I could not install it
straight onto Virtual Acorn, so....
(ii) I shared the Virtual Acorn hard drive partition over my
network, then....
(iii) booted a Risc PC from the shared partition (so that
the active !System, !Scrap and !Fonts directories were those in the
partition, not those on the Risc PC's local hard drive).
(iv) Having installed the necessary fonts into the partition's
!Fonts directory, I ran the Sibelius installer from the
local floppy drive, and installed the program across the network
into the VA partition.
(v) Having logged the Risc PC off the network, I then ran
VA on the PC and tried to run !Sibelius. Unfortunately, it
gets as far as the 'Tip of the Day' screen, then announces
that the installation is corrupt and need to be re-installed.
Ideas, anyone?
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Colin Matthews
David Coronel <dav...@datstore.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I have tried to run Sibelius 7 on Virtual Acorn without success.
[snip]
> Ideas, anyone?
Far be it from me to suggest anything to David, but would an earlier
version be worth trying (can't remember when Tip of the Day came in)?
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Alex Bach Andersen
date 31 Oct, wrote a daemon named Hans Heinsbroek:
[snip]
>Sib7 works perfectly on an A4 (at least it did when I temporarily moved
>it from the RPC to the A4 about 2 years ago).
I can confirm this. No problems at all.
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Alex Bach Andersen
date 1 Nov, wrote a daemon named David Coronel:
[snip]
>(v) Having logged the Risc PC off the network, I then ran
>VA on the PC and tried to run !Sibelius. Unfortunately, it
>gets as far as the 'Tip of the Day' screen, then announces
>that the installation is corrupt and need to be re-installed.
>
>Ideas, anyone?
It sounds like it has to do with the copyprotection.
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Alex Bach Andersen
date 1 Nov, wrote a daemon named Robert Greenfield:
>I have observed John Martin <doc...@ukgateway.net>'s posting which said:
>
>> If Sib 7 won't run on Virtual Acorn, then I'll just make a gift of the A4
>> to her.
>
>Has anyone tried running Sib7 on Virtual Acorn?
There used to be demo versions of all the different Sibeliuses. Has nobody
really tried to run one of these on the VA?
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Richard Kilpatrick
>I have sitting on the desk here an Acorn format DMI XG 50 card (Yamaha
>version) which I no longer have any use for. Anyone want to make me an
>offer?
No idea what it's worth, but I'm using Acorns for music - BBC Bs for
speech, Master 128 for a Hybrid 5000 system, currently an A5000 with
some speech stuff like a serial port connected voice box... I'm
certainly curious about it.
Richard
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Michael Gilbert
How about sharing the floppy and trying to install from that? The over
the network bit won't work, because the relevant directory in
<Wimp$ScrapDir> is going to be wrong. It doesn't matter where you boot
it from, the RiscPC is going to make its own directory when it sees
!Scrap. This causes problems when you fit a LAN card or change IP
address, as this determines the name of the directory set as
<Wimp$ScrapDir>.
What I'm suggesting (and I might just try it myself) is sharing the
RiscPC floppy over HostFS and running the installer on VA.
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John Martin
Mr S C Winsor <stuart...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Well your ZFC suggestion might present an opportunity for some!
That reminds me ...
I must have another go at getting that Pipex link to work so I can get
zfc again.
John
Dave Lawton
<URL:mailto:dav...@datstore.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Robert Greenfield <Xmons...@caverock.net.nz> wrote:
>
> > I have observed John Martin <doc...@ukgateway.net>'s posting which said:
> >
> > > If Sib 7 won't run on Virtual Acorn, then I'll just make a gift of the A4
> > > to her.
> >
> > Has anyone tried running Sib7 on Virtual Acorn?
> > I wonder if the amusing situation would occur of the Assembler/Virtual
> > Acorn Sib runnning faster than the PC version on the same PC.
> >
> > *bye
>
>
> (v) Having logged the Risc PC off the network, I then ran
> VA on the PC and tried to run !Sibelius. Unfortunately, it
> gets as far as the 'Tip of the Day' screen, then announces
> that the installation is corrupt and need to be re-installed.
>
> Ideas, anyone?
that I had to disable 'Tip of the Day' because it wouldn't
run .
In !Sibelius6.!Boot
| Don't have a newline after the last line!!
| Run <Sibelius$Dir>.!TipofDay.!Boot (This one)
and
!Sibelius6.!Run
Key 4 "€"
Run "<Sibelius$Dir>.Startup"
| Run "<SibTips$Dir>.!Run" (& this one)
I did pass this back at the time, along with something else
(I forget what)
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Robert Greenfield
> There used to be demo versions of all the different Sibeliuses. Has nobody
> really tried to run one of these on the VA?
Good thinking. I still have a copy of Sib7 student v3.02k on my
Hardrive (I don't know why I kept it - it didn't work on the StrongARM
and I got Sib6 anyway).
The ReadMe file *urges* me to distribute the demo, so does anyone with
VA want to try it? :-)
Hans Heinsbroek
<URL:mailto:XZmon...@caverock.net.nz> wrote:
> I have observed Alex Bach Andersen <ab...@ccl4.org>'s posting which said:
>
> > There used to be demo versions of all the different Sibeliuses. Has nobody
> > really tried to run one of these on the VA?
>
> Good thinking. I still have a copy of Sib7 student v3.02k on my
> Hardrive (I don't know why I kept it - it didn't work on the StrongARM
> and I got Sib6 anyway).
> The ReadMe file *urges* me to distribute the demo, so does anyone with
> VA want to try it? :-)
>
D.
interrogates the machine configuration, because you get 'This copy is
corrupt' errors if you upgrade the OS and have to de-intalll and
re-install. So It may be that under VA, there is not the access to the
hardware settings that there is running 3.1 native, so the Sib copy
protection cannot get the reassurance it needs to allow the program to
run.
Perhaps the bods who wrote VA could add a little bit of code to fake H/W
configuration settings to fool Sib?...
D.
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David Coronel <dav...@datstore.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> (ii) I shared the Virtual Acorn hard drive partition over my
> network, then....
>
> (iii) booted a Risc PC from the shared partition (so that
> the active !System, !Scrap and !Fonts directories were those in the
> partition, not those on the Risc PC's local hard drive).
>
> (iv) Having installed the necessary fonts into the partition's
> !Fonts directory, I ran the Sibelius installer from the
> local floppy drive, and installed the program across the network
> into the VA partition.
>
> (v) Having logged the Risc PC off the network, I then ran
> VA on the PC and tried to run !Sibelius. Unfortunately, it
> gets as far as the 'Tip of the Day' screen, then announces
> that the installation is corrupt and need to be re-installed.
Does Sibelius examine the machine ID and store it as part of the file in
Scrap when installing? If so, then unless your Virtual Acorn has the same
machine ID as the Risc PC you are installing on, there will be problems.
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Martin Wuerthner
"D." <d...@we8manu.com> wrote:
> The copy protection on Sib7 is quite severe. I guess that it
> interrogates the machine configuration, because you get 'This copy is
> corrupt' errors if you upgrade the OS and have to de-intalll and
> re-install. So It may be that under VA, there is not the access to the
> hardware settings that there is running 3.1 native, so the Sib copy
> protection cannot get the reassurance it needs to allow the program to
> run.
>
> Perhaps the bods who wrote VA could add a little bit of code to fake H/W
> configuration settings to fool Sib?...
No, it is not the view of the hardware.
As part of its copy-protection, Sibelius writes strange blocks to your
hard drive using low-level calls. Those CANNOT work with HostFS. It is not
the fault of RedSquirrel - you would have the same problem on a real Acorn
with a network drive only and no local hard disc: You could not install
Sibelius.
Under RS, it is only possible to run Sibelius from an ADFS hard disc
image, not from HostFS.
However, it is not trivial to get Sibelius onto the hard disc image
because you cannot run the installer: It uses low-level calls to read
similarly strange blocks from the installation floppy. Maybe mounting a
floppy disc image works. It is certain that sharing the floppy using
HostFS does not work.
Alternatively, you could install Sibelius from floppy to a hard disc on a
real Acorn, then take a hard disc image snapshot and use this as a hard
disc image under RS.
Martin
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Michael Gilbert
<URL:mailto:mar...@invalidMW-software.com.invalid> wrote:
> In message <ant030937d07&%z...@ri48000216we8manu.com>
> "D." <d...@we8manu.com> wrote:
>
> > The copy protection on Sib7 is quite severe. I guess that it
> > interrogates the machine configuration, because you get 'This copy is
> > corrupt' errors if you upgrade the OS and have to de-intalll and
> > re-install. So It may be that under VA, there is not the access to the
> > hardware settings that there is running 3.1 native, so the Sib copy
> > protection cannot get the reassurance it needs to allow the program to
> > run.
> >
> > Perhaps the bods who wrote VA could add a little bit of code to fake H/W
> > configuration settings to fool Sib?...
>
> No, it is not the view of the hardware.
>
> As part of its copy-protection, Sibelius writes strange blocks to your
> hard drive using low-level calls. Those CANNOT work with HostFS. It is not
> the fault of RedSquirrel - you would have the same problem on a real Acorn
> with a network drive only and no local hard disc: You could not install
> Sibelius.
I've done this, though. Both using the Site licensed version, which
still uses !Scrap based copy protection, and on the single user licensed
one I've got here.
This over an Access share, BTW
Colin Matthews
Paul Vigay <nos...@segfault.co.uk> wrote:
> My Disc Commander application will quite happily make (backup) copies of
> Sibelius, and I don't think the protection is /that/ elaborate!
I'm not sure you should be making this public! You mean that it can copy
the disc, & it works?
druck
> In article <4b90b1be...@segfault.co.uk>,
> Paul Vigay <nos...@segfault.co.uk> wrote:
> > My Disc Commander application will quite happily make (backup) copies of
> > Sibelius, and I don't think the protection is /that/ elaborate!
>
> I'm not sure you should be making this public! You mean that it can copy
> the disc, & it works?
Until the EU copyright directive is ratified in the UK, you still have the
right to make a backup copy of software for your own use. After Decemeber
you wont.
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Adrian Lees
> I have observed Alex Bach Andersen <ab...@ccl4.org>'s posting which said:
>
> > There used to be demo versions of all the different Sibeliuses. Has nobody
> > really tried to run one of these on the VA?
>
> VA want to try it? :-)
Excellent. Would it be possible for you to send me a copy of the
demo so that I can get it working under Aemulor on the Iyonix please?
At least as a first step towards getting the full version running
because we've had quite a few people requesting it.
Thanks,
Adrian
www.aemulor.com
James Sargent
> [Sibelius Demo] Would it be possible for you to send me a copy of the
> demo so that I can get it working under Aemulor on the Iyonix please?
>
> At least as a first step towards getting the full version running
> because we've had quite a few people requesting it.
I have a sinking feeling about Sibelius on any non-Acorn hardware (well
Virtual A5000 & Iyonix at least) because of the Viewfinder experience.
My reasoning goes something like this:
I believe Sibelius does naughty things and writes directly to a 4 colour
screen.
Viewfinder doesn't support a 4 colour mode because the PCI graphics card
itself doesn't have one (in common with all? other PCI graphics cards).
Therefore, Sibelius doesn't work on Viewfinder.
PCs running VA5000 and Iyonixes all have PCI graphics cards which,
presumably, also don't support 4 colour screen modes.
Ergo, Sibelius won't run on them either.
I'd like to be proved wrong on this point, though.
Regards,
James
Samuel Kock
> PCs running VA5000 and Iyonixes all have PCI graphics cards which,
> presumably, also don't support 4 colour screen modes.
>
> Ergo, Sibelius won't run on them either.
>
> I'd like to be proved wrong on this point, though.
I think you are wrong :-). I can change to 16, even four colour modes on
RedSquirrell, so.. Since Redsquirrell emulates the 4 colour modes of the RPC
or whatever, Sibelius does not really interact with the PCI hardware,
Redsquirrel does that...
Spoken like a true non-techie...
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Adrian Lees
> Adrian Lees wrote:
> > [Sibelius Demo] Would it be possible for you to send me a copy of the
> > demo so that I can get it working under Aemulor on the Iyonix please?
> >
> > At least as a first step towards getting the full version running
> > because we've had quite a few people requesting it.
>
> I have a sinking feeling about Sibelius on any non-Acorn hardware (well
> Virtual A5000 & Iyonix at least) because of the Viewfinder experience.
>
> My reasoning goes something like this:
>
> I believe Sibelius does naughty things and writes directly to a 4 colour
> screen.
>
>
> I'd like to be proved wrong on this point, though.
From what I've heard you're right that Sibelius requires a screen format
which is not provided by the Iyonix. Which is why I want to get hold of
a demo copy to find out exactly what it needs. Hopefully we'll be able
to emulate it in software and still at a good speed.... I really need
to get hold of a demo copy first, but if nothing else, a good number of
people have requested Sibelius support, and a I don't give up easily! ;-)
Adrian