Re: JDServer released
Xavier
> I am pleased to announce the release of JDServer, a JetDirect (Raw)
> print server application for a RISC OS computer.
>
> JDServer makes a printer, connected to a RISC OS computer that is
> also on a network, available to client computers also on the
> network, via the JetDirect (Raw) protocol.
>
> Note that only the printer is shared out; the printer driver is
> not. Each client computer must have its own driver for that model
> of printer. JDServer isn't Uniprint.
>
> JDServer is tested on an Iyonix; however, it should run on any
> native RISC OS computer with RISC OS version 3.1 upwards that has
> an Ethernet interface. My wife and I use it at home to print from
> an Eee PC running Xandros Linux, a PC running SuSE Linux, and a PC
> running Windows 2000.
>
> JDServer is free and is released under the GPL version 2.
>
> For support, the best place is comp.sys.acorn.apps, or you can
> e-mail me.
>
> You can find JDServer on my website:http://www.apts04.dsl.pipex.com
>
> Please let me know how you get on with it!
>
> Dave
>
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Great news. Thanks !
Dave Higton
Xavier <xlt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 18 oct, 12:27, Dave Higton <davehig...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> > I am pleased to announce the release of JDServer, a JetDirect (Raw)
> > print server application for a RISC OS computer.
[snip]
> > You can find JDServer on my website:http://www.apts04.dsl.pipex.com
> >
> > Please let me know how you get on with it!
>
> Great news. Thanks !
You're welcome!
And I really mean what I said - if you (Xavier or anyone else who
uses it) - let me know how you get on with it. You know, like,
talk to me. E-mail me. Start or join in with a thread on a news
group.
I'm not looking for thanks (although they are always welcome!),
but I /am/ looking for feedback. Does it work? Does it work well?
Was it easy to install? Was the documentation good enough? Does
it provide all the features you want, or is there something else
you'd like to see?
It's somewhat disheartening to release an app and hear /nothing/
from anybody.
Dave
Bryn Evans
> It's somewhat disheartening to release an app and hear /nothing/
> from anybody.
That's what is known as App-athy!
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Dave Higton
Bryn Evans <d...@a.invalid> wrote:
> In a mad moment - Dave Higton mumbled :
>
>
> > It's somewhat disheartening to release an app and hear /nothing/
> > from anybody.
> That's what is known as App-athy!
Groan... :-)
Dave
David
Best wishes and thanks
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Ollie Clark
>
> It's somewhat disheartening to release an app and hear /nothing/
> from anybody.
Don't be too disheartened. If noone says anything it could well mean
that they just didn't have any problems and find it perfect. :-)
I'm afraid I have no use for it but thanks for releasing it. Another
tool in the box.
Cheers,
Ollie
David
the icon bar, every now and again the printer manager complains that
it doesn't know what to do with the file to be printed i.e. it thinks
it is a file that cannot be dropped onto a printer driver.
I will try and replicate exactly the situation this evening.
Any suggestions?
Dave Higton
David <ds...@freeuk.com> wrote:
Firstly: do you mean that it prints PostScript from another computer
without error sometimes, and other times gives this error? with no
apparent difference in the circumstances?
Is the "Filetype" menu entry set to "PoScript"?
Does the error box tell you what file type the printer manager
thinks it is?
Dave
David
Dave Higton <daveh...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> Dave
Sorry, I've not really made myself clear!
I normally have print output set to Postscript 3 driver to produce a
PDF for saving and sending or putting on a website.
Making my laserjet 5 active, the PC on a wireless network prints
faultlessly through the Iyonix which has the physical connection to
the printer.
When the PS3 driver is active ... example ...
I loaded Architech 3D modeller in answering a query on the newsgroups
... Within a minute up popped an error box:
Query from print manager
Don't know how to print Printout files;
print !Architech as plain or fancy text?
This error box normally occurs when you drop an unknown application's
file onto the printer to be printed.
I haven't sent anything to be printed.
Matthew Phillips
on 23 Oct 2009 Ollie Clark wrote:
> Dave Higton wrote:
> >
> > It's somewhat disheartening to release an app and hear /nothing/
> > from anybody.
>
> Don't be too disheartened. If noone says anything it could well mean
> that they just didn't have any problems and find it perfect. :-)
True, that's always possible!
I have to say, that for the average RISC OS user who doesn't do complex
programming, the single most important thing that you can do to encourage
software development, other than spending money where applicable, is to send
feedback (positive or constructive criticism) to the developers. Don't just
rely on developers reading the newsgroups or Archive On-Line or whatever, as
we are not all subscribed to all lists, and don't always keep up with them.
Knowing that someone is using the software, or is attempting to use it, is
the greatest spur to finding time to make improvements and new releases.
(And to avoid charges of hypocrisy, I should now fire off e-mails to various
developers to thank them for useful pieces of software myself.)
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John Williams (News)
Dave Higton <daveh...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> JDServer is tested on an Iyonix; however, it should run on any
> native RISC OS computer with RISC OS version 3.1 upwards that has
> an Ethernet interface. My wife and I use it at home to print from
> an Eee PC running Xandros Linux, a PC running SuSE Linux, and a PC
> running Windows 2000.
Just works on this Iyonix. Only needed loading!
Printing from Xandros 3 last free edition a doddle to set up once one
realises the printer definitions are already there and have read the manual!
Interestingly, remote printing now fully-multitasking with RISC OS
Gimp-Print driver for Epson Photo 700 despite Background Printing being
unticked on RISC OS driver!
Thanks, Dave!
I now anticipate being able to print out those Ryanair Boarding Passes
without having to piece together RISC OS screenshots in Draw!
Best wishes,
John
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M Harding
Matthew Phillips <mn...@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <slrnhe2pp2...@greedy.zen175545>
> on 23 Oct 2009 Ollie Clark wrote:
> > Dave Higton wrote:
> > >
> > > It's somewhat disheartening to release an app and hear
> > > /nothing/ from anybody.
> >
> > Don't be too disheartened. If noone says anything it could well
> > mean that they just didn't have any problems and find it
> > perfect. :-)
> I have to say, that for the average RISC OS user who doesn't do
> complex programming, the single most important thing that you can
> do to encourage software development, other than spending money
> where applicable, is to send feedback (positive or constructive
> criticism) to the developers.
I think this may partly be due to what I describe as "The Classic FM
Syndrome". They tell you the title of the piece and the composer and
it doesn't register at that moment; then the presenter rabbits on
about the work but never again says what it is. Only at the end of the
work (if you're still listening) can you pick up what it was.
That's the problem here, for me. I don't recall what the program is
for - and I long ago deleted that posting, assuming it didn't fit my
set-up. Trying to work out its purpose from all the replies is more
difficult than Sudoku.
Please will you repeat (for those who didn't concentrate properly)
what the program is and does?
But I accept your point about feedback - plus as well as minus.
Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ris...@mdharding.org.uk
Brian Carroll
<ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
[Snip: analysis of a classic Classic FM problem]
> That's the problem here, for me. I don't recall what the
> program is for - and I long ago deleted that posting, assuming
> it didn't fit my set-up. Trying to work out its purpose from
> all the replies is more difficult than Sudoku.
My solution to this is to copy (in Pluto hold down shift to get
Copy instead of Move) any article of possible future interest,
eg comment or info about a new program, to a non-expiring box.
When the subject come up again or you have a bit of spare time
to investigate, the topic can very easily be picked up without
an extensive search.
Brian.
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> They tell you the title of the piece and the composer and it doesn't
> register at that moment...
Their website has the playlist though.
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M Harding
Brian Carroll <bric-...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50af3252...@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding
> <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> [Snip: analysis of a classic Classic FM problem]
> > That's the problem here, for me. I don't recall what the
> > program is for - and I long ago deleted that posting, assuming
> > it didn't fit my set-up. Trying to work out its purpose from
> > all the replies is more difficult than Sudoku.
> My solution to this is to copy (in Pluto hold down shift to get
> Copy instead of Move) any article of possible future interest,
> eg comment or info about a new program, to a non-expiring box.
> When the subject come up again or you have a bit of spare time
> to investigate, the topic can very easily be picked up without
> an extensive search.
Thanks for that advice.
Steve Fryatt
> In article <50af3252...@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding
> <ris...@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
>
> [Snip: analysis of a classic Classic FM problem]
>
> > That's the problem here, for me. I don't recall what the program is for
> > - and I long ago deleted that posting, assuming it didn't fit my set-up.
> > Trying to work out its purpose from all the replies is more difficult
> > than Sudoku.
>
> My solution to this is to copy (in Pluto hold down shift to get Copy
> instead of Move) any article of possible future interest, eg comment or
> info about a new program, to a non-expiring box. When the subject come up
> again or you have a bit of spare time to investigate, the topic can very
> easily be picked up without an extensive search.
Surely in this case, the time between Dave posting about JDServer and this
thread is so short that the messages won't have expired anyway? If they
have, your expiry time is probably set too short.
As such, finding what was in the original announcement should be a case of
asking Pluto to show the original post in the thread. I don't use Pluto,
but in M-Pro this is usually a simple case of going to the message ancestor
menu and selecting the first entry -- I'd guess that there's a parallel in
Pluto. I say "usually", as sometimes broken news clients damage the
References header: in this case, the process may need to be repeated to get
past each break in the chain.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> Surely in this case, the time between Dave posting about JDServer and this
> thread is so short that the messages won't have expired anyway? If they
> have, your expiry time is probably set too short.
I don't understand why anyone would expire csa.announce posts. They don't
get less relevant just because they're old(er).
It's one of the groups that I keep everything from, except that when
somebody announces version x+1 of something, I delete the announcement of
the prior version. That means I always have a folder full of the most
recent announcements. Typically there's around 300 posts in the folder.
> As such, finding what was in the original announcement should be a case of
> asking Pluto to show the original post in the thread.
Or, use Google to find the thread in their newsgroups archive, eg at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search
Tim Hill
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
wrote:
[Snip]
> I don't understand why anyone would expire csa.announce posts. They
> don't get less relevant just because they're old(er).
[Snip]
> Or, use Google to find the thread in their newsgroups archive, eg at
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_search
You just answered your own non-understanding. Those of us on RISC OS
using Pluto can easily call up posts from Google which are no longer held
locally though I understand that anyone using a crappy windoze newsreader
(or even Gemini!) may be unable easily to refer back to an earlier post
when a poster fails to quote context or wishes to delve into posting
history.
Dave Higton
"John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <slrnhdlrd...@compsoc.dur.ac.uk>,
> Dave Higton <daveh...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> > JDServer is tested on an Iyonix; however, it should run on any
> > native RISC OS computer with RISC OS version 3.1 upwards that has
> > an Ethernet interface. My wife and I use it at home to print from
> > an Eee PC running Xandros Linux, a PC running SuSE Linux, and a PC
> > running Windows 2000.
>
> Just works on this Iyonix. Only needed loading!
>
> Printing from Xandros 3 last free edition a doddle to set up once one
> realises the printer definitions are already there and have read the
> manual!
>
> Interestingly, remote printing now fully-multitasking with RISC OS
> Gimp-Print driver for Epson Photo 700 despite Background Printing being
> unticked on RISC OS driver!
>
> Thanks, Dave!
>
> I now anticipate being able to print out those Ryanair Boarding Passes
> without having to piece together RISC OS screenshots in Draw!
Thanks for the feedback, John, and I'm glad it's positive. It just
goes to show what I keep saying: you can't lose 'em all :-)
Dave
Dave Higton
David <ds...@freeuk.com> wrote:
So let's see if I understand correctly:
1) You've set JDServer's "Filetype" menu to "PoScript"?
2) You load Architech on your PC;
3) Even though you don't print anything from Architech, or indeed
from any application on any computer on your network, a query box
from the print manager pops up asking whether to print Printout
files as plain or fancy text?
If the answers to (1) and (3) are both "Yes", this is a real
mystery, because JDServer sets the filetype of each spool file,
immediately after it has closed it (i.e. when the client computer
finishes its print job), to the type set in the "Filetype" menu.
If you've configured JDServer to "PoScript", it should set the
filetype to "PoScript". If the "SetType" command doesn't get
executed, the filetype will be "Data" - it doesn't default to
"Printout".
... well, if your Choices: system isn't working correctly, your
Filetype choice won't be saved, and/or won't be read back, so
the filetype will default to "Printout" every time JDServer is
started.
You don't have Choices: set to a RAMdisc, do you? Or to some
medium that can't be written and/or read?
Look at what filetype is shown on JDServer's Filetype menu
when you first boot it, and tell me the result.
Also, if it happens again, please send me the debug log. You
should find this in $.!Boot.Resources.!SysLog.Logs.JDServer.
A computer wanting to print a small Postscript file on startup
of an application doesn't surprise me too much; maybe it's
trying to configure the printer in some way: paper feeds,
duplexing, etc.
Dave
Chris Evans
* 1b And your PostScript compatible printer selected on your iconbar?
If you have more than one printer driver loaded on your RISC OS icon bar,
say one PostScript and one HP PCL would having the wrong one selected cause
a problem?
IIRC you can't drop a 'Printout' typed file onto a PostScript printer only a
PostScript typed file!
Which I guess is why you have the setting you mention above
> 2) You load Architech on your PC;
>
> 3) Even though you don't print anything from Architech, or indeed
> from any application on any computer on your network, a query box
> from the print manager pops up asking whether to print Printout
>
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David
>> Sorry, I've not really made myself clear!
>>
>> I normally have print output set to Postscript 3 driver to produce a
>> PDF for saving and sending or putting on a website.
>>
>> Making my laserjet 5 active, the PC on a wireless network prints
>> faultlessly through the Iyonix which has the physical connection to
>> the printer.
>>
>> When the PS3 driver is active ... example ...
>>
>> I loaded Architech 3D modeller in answering a query on the newsgroups
>> ... Within a minute up popped an error box:
>>
>> Query from print manager
>> Don't know how to print Printout files;
>> print !Architech as plain or fancy text?
>>
>> This error box normally occurs when you drop an unknown application's
>> file onto the printer to be printed.
>>
>> I haven't sent anything to be printed.
> So let's see if I understand correctly:
> 1) You've set JDServer's "Filetype" menu to "PoScript"?
> 2) You load Architech on your PC;
On the Iyonix...
snipped ...
> Look at what filetype is shown on JDServer's Filetype menu
> when you first boot it, and tell me the result.
Guess what ... printout!
> Also, if it happens again, please send me the debug log. You
> should find this in $.!Boot.Resources.!SysLog.Logs.JDServer.
> A computer wanting to print a small Postscript file on startup
> of an application doesn't surprise me too much; maybe it's
> trying to configure the printer in some way: paper feeds,
> duplexing, etc.
> Dave
Thanks Dave.
John Williams (News)
Dave Higton <daveh...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> Was the documentation good enough?
I'd be grateful for a bit on how to set-up another RISC OS machine's
printer driver to print to the JDServer machine.
The Net bit seems to be greyed-out on my driver Connections window. Or is
this not possible?
John Williams (News)
John Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Or is this not possible?
I /do/ realise I can use Ian H's Printspool to do this, and have in the
past with great success!
Dave Higton
"John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <914a5bae50...@dsl.pipex.com>,
> Dave Higton <daveh...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> > Was the documentation good enough?
>
> I'd be grateful for a bit on how to set-up another RISC OS machine's
> printer driver to print to the JDServer machine.
You need RemotePrinterFS, by Stefan Bellon, which you can get from
http://www.sbellon.de/sw-modules.html
On the client machine (i.e. /not/ the one running JDServer), set
the printer to print to file, with a file name such as:
RemotePrinterFS#proto=JetDirect;host=Iyonix:
or:
RemotePrinterFS#proto=JetDirect;host=192.168.0.2:
according to whether the JDServer machine is in the client's Hosts
file (so you can refer to it by name, as in the first example), or
not (so you have to refer to it by IP address, as in the second
example). Clearly, replace "Iyonix" by your JDServer machine's
hostname if you're referring by name.
> The Net bit seems to be greyed-out on my driver Connections window. Or is
> this not possible?
Not relevant.
Dave
Chris F
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> ...... in M-Pro this is usually a simple case of going to the message
> ancestor menu and selecting the first entry
>
Whoa.....
I haven't found a reference to 'message ancestor menu' in the help file.
Please will you tell me where to find it?
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Steve Fryatt
> In message <mpro.ks17oa3w...@stevefryatt.org.uk>
> Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> > ...... in M-Pro this is usually a simple case of going to the message
> > ancestor menu and selecting the first entry
> >
>
> Whoa..... I haven't found a reference to 'message ancestor menu' in the
> help file. Please will you tell me where to find it?
Bad terminology, I'm afraid.
At the top of the message window is a pop-up menu named 'Thread'. It
contains 'Show parent' which does what it suggests (goes to the message to
which the current one was replying), and submenus for Ancestors, Replies and
Sibligs. Ancestors /should/ take you back all the way to the first post in
the thread, but broken clients can damage the References list. Usually you
can repeatedly select the oldest ancestor in the list to step back past such
damage, however.
Chris F
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> > Whoa..... I haven't found a reference to 'message ancestor menu' in the
> > help file. Please will you tell me where to find it?
>
>
> At the top of the message window is a pop-up menu named 'Thread'.
>
Thanks!
John Williams (News)
John Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> I now anticipate being able to print out those Ryanair Boarding Passes
> without having to piece together RISC OS screenshots in Draw!
Unfortunately, the web-based printing system used by Ryanair seems, when
printed out on my Iyonix as server from a web page under Linux (Xandros3)
prints out at what I guess to be double size, so won't do for presentation
at the airport.
I have checked that the resolution of both printer drivers is similar.
I note from what I have read that each machine needs the same printer
driver - but doesn't the sending machine send a raw print file - and
consequently the local (to the printer) driver shouldn't really matter? It
should be that the raw file is matched (appropriate) to the printer - but
does it matter what setting the final driver has?
Or am I misunderstanding what is (or might be) going on?
Hoping for a better understanding.
Dave Higton
"John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <50af26ad...@tiscali.co.uk>,
> John Williams (News) <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I now anticipate being able to print out those Ryanair Boarding Passes
> > without having to piece together RISC OS screenshots in Draw!
>
> Unfortunately, the web-based printing system used by Ryanair seems, when
> printed out on my Iyonix as server from a web page under Linux (Xandros3)
> prints out at what I guess to be double size, so won't do for presentation
> at the airport.
>
> I have checked that the resolution of both printer drivers is similar.
>
> I note from what I have read that each machine needs the same printer
> driver - but doesn't the sending machine send a raw print file - and
> consequently the local (to the printer) driver shouldn't really matter? It
> should be that the raw file is matched (appropriate) to the printer - but
> does it matter what setting the final driver has?
>
> Or am I misunderstanding what is (or might be) going on?
>
> Hoping for a better understanding.
Let's see if I can help with that.
Each machine needs its own printer driver.
JDServer passes the data on to the printer manager, which in turn
passes it to the printer. At no stage does any component on the
RISC OS machine interpret or change anything sent by the client
machine - they are all raw print files (filetype: Printout) or
PostScript files (filetype: PoScript) as set on JDServer's menu,
hopefully to match the printer's requirements. The functionality
is simpler than you think.
The configuration settings in the RISC OS Printer Manager are
only relevant to printouts performed wholly on the RISC OS
machine.
Dave
John Williams (News)
Dave Higton <daveh...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> The configuration settings in the RISC OS Printer Manager are
> only relevant to printouts performed wholly on the RISC OS
> machine.
That was what I initially surmised.
So it's just like saving a 'printout' file on a 'Windows' machine,
transferring it to a RISC OS m/c, and printing it.
So why does not any printer driver file work under RISC OS? Or does it?
If the 'printout' file is sent directly to the printer by the printer-local
driver, having been formulated by the printer driver on the originating
machine, why does it matter (if it does?) what driver is present on the
RISC OS m/c?
And in what way does this differ from what happens with UniPrint (a
commercial product)?
It's the concept I'm really after, to understand what's going on.
Dave Higton
"John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <eeaab7b850...@dsl.pipex.com>,
> Dave Higton <daveh...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> > The configuration settings in the RISC OS Printer Manager are
> > only relevant to printouts performed wholly on the RISC OS
> > machine.
>
> That was what I initially surmised.
>
> So it's just like saving a 'printout' file on a 'Windows' machine,
> transferring it to a RISC OS m/c, and printing it.
Exactly. As simple as that.
> So why does not any printer driver file work under RISC OS? Or does it?
The RISC OS printer driver is not involved. The RISC OS printer
manager is, simply to queue the files and transmit them to the
printer.
> If the 'printout' file is sent directly to the printer by the printer-local
> driver, having been formulated by the printer driver on the originating
> machine, why does it matter (if it does?) what driver is present on the
> RISC OS m/c?
The answer is above.
> And in what way does this differ from what happens with UniPrint (a
> commercial product)?
UniPrint is a different concept.
> It's the concept I'm really after, to understand what's going on.
It's simpler than you appear to be thinking. All it really does
is to move the connection point of the printer from one computer
to another.
Dave
Steve Fryatt
> And in what way does this differ from what happens with UniPrint (a
> commercial product)?
It's pretty much the exact opposite. With JDServer, the 'hard work' of
turning the printed page into commands for the printer is done on the
originating machine. JDServer just blindly passes these on from the network
to the printer.
With UniPrint, it's the receiving end which knows how to drive the printer.
The sending end is the one that (not quite so blindly) passes the data out
across the network.