eBay, PayPal and Netsurf
Harriet Bazley
Alan Adams wrote:
> In message <9f6aa6b95...@blueyonder.co.uk>
> Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> > I probably ought to think about setting up an eBay seller's account....
> > Last time I looked into it I was put off by the PayPal requirement;
> > what's the NetSurf compatibility status of both sites?
>
> You can bid on Ebay and pay with Paypal, both using Netsurf. I seem to
> recall setting up the accounts works better with a PC, but I don't
> know whether it's actually essential.
>
Apparently it's possible to do both via NetSurf.
I wasn't particularly happy about being asked to set up a direct debit
into my bank account (on pain of paying additional debit card fees), and
may well have got it wrong on account of never having agreed to do such
a thing in my life before... but apart from the three-day delay on that,
it all seems to have gone through without any Javascript requirements.
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Bill (Adopt)
> > In message <9f6aa6b95...@blueyonder.co.uk>
> > Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I probably ought to think about setting up an eBay seller's account....
> > > Last time I looked into it I was put off by the PayPal requirement;
> > > what's the NetSurf compatibility status of both sites?
> >
> > You can bid on Ebay and pay with Paypal, both using Netsurf. I seem to
> > recall setting up the accounts works better with a PC, but I don't
> > know whether it's actually essential.
> >
> Apparently it's possible to do both via NetSurf.
> I wasn't particularly happy about being asked to set up a direct debit
> into my bank account (on pain of paying additional debit card fees), and
> may well have got it wrong on account of never having agreed to do such
> a thing in my life before... but apart from the three-day delay on that,
> it all seems to have gone through without any Javascript requirements.
..you should be a little safer with a Direct Debit than
with other forms of changeable payments, such as the
frequently problematic 'continuous authority' that one
may have naively agreed using a debit/credit card.
As you appreciate, your Bank will explain further their
safeguards now operating on your behalf ..and over which
you can exercise some immediate and personal control.
:))
..but, for the rest, the smile is deliberate! (including
!Fresco)!
Even if it involved cross-jurisdiction international
'phone calls/call-transfers - all free - between an
accidental supplicant and variously increasing big-wigs;
a call lasting some hours in support)!
Then again, here's yet another recent change to a
well-known site's access:
"Tesco is committed to making our grocery site
accessible to all... Just as we tailor our
site for optimal use of different browsers, we
we have provided a series of viewing profiles
which will customise the site to your needs,
featuring additional content and removing
cosmetic features such as Javascript..."
(The last statement is ..erm ..intriguing)!
Sometimes, just occasionally, all any of us need do is
ask!
Bill ZFC
Now! British Airways... ;'))
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Chris Bell
> > Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I probably ought to think about setting up an eBay seller's
> > > account.... Last time I looked into it I was put off by the
> > > PayPal requirement; what's the NetSurf compatibility status of
> > > both sites?
> Apparently it's possible to do both via NetSurf.
Yes, I do both regularly. Ignore the Javascript warnings, they both
work fine without.
Chris Bell.
Harriet Bazley
Chris Bell wrote:
> Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > I probably ought to think about setting up an eBay seller's
> > > > account.... Last time I looked into it I was put off by the
> > > > PayPal requirement; what's the NetSurf compatibility status of
> > > > both sites?
>
> > Apparently it's possible to do both via NetSurf.
>
> Yes, I do both regularly. Ignore the Javascript warnings, they both
> work fine without.
>
First discovery: their 'Messages' system doesn't work without
JavaScript (it will show you that there *is* a message, but not display
its content).
'Saving out' the messages, converting them into text and importing them
into MessengerPro (to convert the base64 encoding) reveals the hidden
content, however....
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Harriet Bazley
Harriet Bazley wrote:
> On 29 Mar 2011 as I do recall,
> Chris Bell wrote:
>
> > Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > > > I probably ought to think about setting up an eBay seller's
> > > > > account.... Last time I looked into it I was put off by the
> > > > > PayPal requirement; what's the NetSurf compatibility status of
> > > > > both sites?
> >
> > > Apparently it's possible to do both via NetSurf.
> >
> > Yes, I do both regularly. Ignore the Javascript warnings, they both
> > work fine without.
> >
> First discovery: their 'Messages' system doesn't work without
> JavaScript (it will show you that there *is* a message, but not display
> its content).
>
Second discovery: apparently you can't actually sell anything...
because you are required to select PayPal as a payment option, and
without JavaScript this option doesn't seem to show up as selected(!)
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Harriet Bazley
Harriet Bazley wrote:
[snip]
> Second discovery: apparently you can't actually sell anything...
> because you are required to select PayPal as a payment option, and
> without JavaScript this option doesn't seem to show up as selected(!)
>
It doesn't appear possible to to it via Firefox either, since I can't
find an actual button to upload the completed listing - there are Save
as draft or Preview options at various points on the page, but nothing
corresponding to the Continue button offered by the Netsurf view.
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Chris Bell
> It doesn't appear possible to to it via Firefox either, since I can't
> find an actual button to upload the completed listing - there are Save
> as draft or Preview options at various points on the page, but nothing
> corresponding to the Continue button offered by the Netsurf view.
Firefox 3 appears to have other problems too, even its 22 March 2011
upgrade. For example, it doesn't allow me access to my PurleyHosting
control panel or webmail, whereas Firefox 4 and Chrome do.
So much for the days of a platform-independant Internet. You're forced
to use an American operating system and a specific American browser -
even to access a British RISCOS-friendly domain host! (Not that I've
got anything against Americans, but I wonder whether they'd tolerate
the opposite situation - eg having to use a French operating system and
a French browser.)
But is there anything any of us can do?
Chris.
David Pitt
Where does Purley Hosting claim to be RISC OS friendly now?
I could not see, or possibly did not find, any such claim.
Turning the point around, should commercial websites be designed down to
what RISC OS can manage.
On the other hand making something that does not work with Firefox 3 is
simple incompetence, it will be some time before that falls from widespread
use.
> But is there anything any of us can do?
There is but you might not like the answer.
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Russell Hafter News
> > It doesn't appear possible to to it via Firefox either,
> > since I can't find an actual button to upload the
> > completed listing - there are Save as draft or Preview
> > options at various points on the page, but nothing
> > corresponding to the Continue button offered by the
> > Netsurf view.
> Firefox 3 appears to have other problems too, even its 22
> March 2011 upgrade. For example, it doesn't allow me
> access to my PurleyHosting control panel or webmail,
> whereas Firefox 4 and Chrome do.
Odd. I have never had any difficulties with PurleyHosting's
control panel using Firefox 3 in all its incarnations. I
have not accessed the control panel today, but I did
yesterday and it seemed the same as ever.
I have not tried Firefox 4 yet, and only used Chrome on my
brother's machine...
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Harriet Bazley
> > Harriet Bazley wrote:
> >
> > > It doesn't appear possible to to it via Firefox either, since I can't
> > > find an actual button to upload the completed listing - there are Save
> > > as draft or Preview options at various points on the page, but nothing
> > > corresponding to the Continue button offered by the Netsurf view.
[snip]
> Turning the point around, should commercial websites be designed down to
> what RISC OS can manage.
>
What happened to the concept of 'degrade gracefully'? It makes sense
to offer 'extra features' (like a fancy file uploader, auto-filled form
fields, little pop-up help windows) via complex features of new
browsers - there's not a lot of point in making the most basic parts of
your page (like a 'submit form' feature) require them.
I suppose that sort of thing went along with the concept of HTML as a
mark-up language, i.e. one where 'degrade' refers to layout rather than
active features....
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A poor workman blames his tools.
Chris Bell
> Where does Purley Hosting claim to be RISC OS friendly now?
I don't know, but it is. Neil supports me, a RISC OS user, quickly and
efficiently in the full knowledge that I don't use the system of habit.
Chris.
Steve Fryatt
<51bd92fb...@walkingingermany.invalid>:
> In article <51bd8ce...@highpath.net>, Chris Bell <ne...@highpath.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Firefox 3 appears to have other problems too, even its 22 March 2011
> > upgrade. For example, it doesn't allow me access to my PurleyHosting
> > control panel or webmail, whereas Firefox 4 and Chrome do.
>
> Odd. I have never had any difficulties with PurleyHosting's control panel
> using Firefox 3 in all its incarnations. I have not accessed the control
> panel today, but I did yesterday and it seemed the same as ever.
Works fine in 3.5.16, too.
I've never tried using NetSurf to drive CPanel, though...
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Brian Howlett
> I've never tried using NetSurf to drive CPanel, though...
Works pretty well, I've just logged on to my CPanel and changed my
password using r12152.
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Neil Spellings
> Where does Purley Hosting claim to be RISC OS friendly now?
We don't however because of our "background" we maintain an
understanding and special tolerance for the platform :)
> Turning the point around, should commercial websites be designed down to
> what RISC OS can manage.
Of course not, and why you rely on commercial software which has no
concept of people trying to use a 15-year old web browser to operate it
things can get challenging.
> On the other hand making something that does not work with Firefox 3 is
> simple incompetence, it will be some time before that falls from widespread
> use.
We've not got to the bottom of why this fails. It looks like it's
something specific to Chris' system as other users have no issues.
Regards
Chris Bell
> > > I've never tried using NetSurf to drive CPanel, though...
> > Works pretty well, I've just logged on to my CPanel and changed my
> > password using r12152.
> Now that does surprise me as I've tried several times with Netsurf
> and never got in. Just tried r12154 and that fails to get me into
> CPanel. It offers me a certificate which I accept and then asks for
> user name and password again and again and again but never lets me
> in. Swap to the PC and I'm in first try.
CPanel is a puzzle...
Some people can use NetSurf and others can't. Brian can. Bob can't.
I used to be able to, but can't since the recent server upgrade.
Some people can use Firefox 3 and others can't. Russell and Steve can.
I used to be able to, but can't since the recent server upgrade.
I believe Neil is trying to get to the bottom of this. Good luck Neil!
Chris.
Brian Howlett
> Now that does surprise me as I've tried several times with Netsurf and
> never got in. Just tried r12154 and that fails to get me into CPanel. It
> offers me a certificate which I accept and then asks for user name and
> password again and again and again but never lets me in. Swap to the PC
> and I'm in first try.
> CPanel is a bit odd though anyway. It will not allow any machines on the
> corporate network at work to enter it. It gives a 403 forbidden error
> and will not change its mind. Can't think of any other site that does
> this.
I don't get the certificate issue. It does sometimes take 3 or 4 tries
to get logged in, but it works more often than not.
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Brian Howlett
> CPanel is a puzzle...
> Some people can use NetSurf and others can't. Brian can. Bob can't. I
> used to be able to, but can't since the recent server upgrade.
> Some people can use Firefox 3 and others can't. Russell and Steve can. I
> used to be able to, but can't since the recent server upgrade.
> I believe Neil is trying to get to the bottom of this. Good luck Neil!
My domains aren't with Purley Hosting, so my hosting company may be
using a different version of cPanel.
My domains are with Vision Internet, and using cPanel Version 11.28.87
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Harriet Bazley
Harriet Bazley wrote:
> On 2 Apr 2011 as I do recall,
> Harriet Bazley wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Second discovery: apparently you can't actually sell anything...
> > because you are required to select PayPal as a payment option, and
> > without JavaScript this option doesn't seem to show up as selected(!)
> >
> It doesn't appear possible to do it via Firefox either
To revert to the original issue - I've managed to upload items for sale
using a combination of *both* browsers and an average of about half an
hour per auction submitted, using Netsurf to enter the actual data
(especially pictures) and Firefox to trigger the upload, scrolling as
hastily as possible past the bits which tend to cause it to crash when
it attempts to preview them. (It still crashes on average once per
attempt.)
The interesting thing is that there are some options that can only be
selected in Netsurf (i.e. accepting payment by cheque) which then
'disappear' when you re-access the same saved form using Firefox... (and
vice versa of course, but that's more to be expected).
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Chris Bell
> CPanel is a puzzle... Some people can use NetSurf and others can't.
> Some people can use Firefox 3 and others can't.
Hey - there IS a way into PurleyHosting's upgraded cPanel with NetSurf
and Firefox 3. I believe Neil is going to add 'how to do it' to the
knowledgebase - otherwise please contact me offline.
Chris.