A message for justin fletcher
Osama bin Larden
under aemulor you can't stop that you failed to prefent the
manufacture of the iyonix with all your fucking gpl nonsence. Send an
email NOW to Frank de Bruijn telling him he can release his 32 bit
easysocket or I will make a 32bit easysocket myself and will release
it and you will be able to do fuck all about it SO FUCK YOU YOU MOTHER
FUCKER AND LET HIM RELASE IT OR YOU WILL BE SORRY
Chris Williams
On 18 Aug 2003, Osama bin Larden wrote:
> the Easysocket module from your website will already run on the iyonix
> under aemulor you can't stop that you failed to prefent the
> manufacture of the iyonix with all your fucking gpl nonsence.
So you'll be the lunatic who sent Justin a death threat when GPLed code
was found in the RISC OS 5 ROM..
http://www.movspclr.co.uk/diary/index.html#9_Feb_2003
Being abusive and skipping your medication simply won't impress anyone. I
doubt you could you comprehend how much Justin has given to the platform
so your remarks are unfounded.
You posted the abuse from 195.92.67.78, webcacheH04a.cache.pol.co.uk and I
will make sure your Freeserve ISP is aware of your actions.
[snip]
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Stuart Marshall
Idiot.
Frank de Bruijn
Osama bin Larden <osamabi...@vgnmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Moron. Go away and don't mention my name in your idiotic rants.
Ralph Corderoy
> You posted the abuse from 195.92.67.78, webcacheH04a.cache.pol.co.uk
> and I will make sure your Freeserve ISP is aware of your actions.
Thanks, saves me the trouble. Could you also point them at the death
threat since that's even more abusive and is again using a Planet Online
web-cache.
Cheers,
--
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The Doctor
osamabi...@vgnmail.com (Osama bin Larden) wrote:
> the Easysocket module from your website will already run on the iyonix
> under aemulor you can't stop that you failed to prefent the
> manufacture of the iyonix with all your /LOVEing/ gpl nonsence. Send
> an email NOW to Frank de Bruijn telling him he can release his 32 bit
> easysocket or I will make a 32bit easysocket myself and will release
> it and you will be able to do /LOVE/ all about it SO /LOVE/ YOU YOU
> MOTHER /LOVER/ AND LET HIM RELASE IT OR YOU WILL BE /HAPPY/
Well what a lovely and sane minded individual you are.
Tootle pips!
--
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The RISC OS hardware guide - www.thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk/hardware
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The Main Control Room - www.thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk
Stephen Crocker
osamabi...@vgnmail.com (Osama bin Larden) wrote:
Is it just my imagination or are the lunatics coming out to play this month?
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Kids, don't feed the troll.
And Justin (if you're reading this), IMHO you deserve a medal for
"outstanding contributions to the RISC OS platform". The quality of the
software that you've written (IME) is second-to-none. Give yerself a pat on
the back kiddo :)
Later.
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Stuart Winsor
> > You posted the abuse from 195.92.67.78, webcacheH04a.cache.pol.co.uk
> > and I will make sure your Freeserve ISP is aware of your actions.
> Thanks, saves me the trouble. Could you also point them at the death
> threat since that's even more abusive and is again using a Planet Online
> web-cache.
While you're about it, the police are generally interested in death threats
The ISPs will no doubt co-operate with the police.
Stuart.
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Tony van der Hoff
Stephen Crocker <cr...@crok.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[snip rantings]
>
> Is it just my imagination or are the lunatics coming out to play this
> month?
>
Anyone who wants to disparage this garbage, please do so, but please, don't
give it extra coverage by quoting its disgusting content in its entirety.
I look forward to the next release, other than by Frank or Justin, of
EasySocket; then we'll all know who this idiot is...
(FU set to csa.misc)
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Andy McMullon
Stuart Marshall <stu...@spidersoft.co.uk> expounded:
> Osama bin Larden wrote:
If people are going to comment could they please snip the abusive
crap....
> Idiot.
Indeed.
Stuart Winsor
Philip Pemberton <phi...@despammed.com> wrote:
> [snip insanely long message full of "colourful adjectives"]
> Kids, don't feed the troll.
> And Justin (if you're reading this), IMHO you deserve a medal for
> "outstanding contributions to the RISC OS platform".
And the good sense to ignore all this.
> The quality of the software that you've written (IME) is second-to-none.
> Give yerself a pat on the back kiddo :)
Seconded.
Dave Moore
"Philip Pemberton" <phi...@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:0cb304244...@dsl.pipex.com...
> [snip insanely long message full of "colourful adjectives"]
>
> Kids, don't feed the troll.
>
> And Justin (if you're reading this), IMHO you deserve a medal
for
> "outstanding contributions to the RISC OS platform". The
quality of the
> software that you've written (IME) is second-to-none. Give
yerself a pat on
> the back kiddo :)
Well said :o) The individual concerned is obviously less well
endowed in every department.
Perhaps Jealousy, or, Perhaps simply forgot to take their
tablets...
Actually, this is /not/ funny, and I hope this is dealt with
appropriately.
--
Dave Moore
Philip Pemberton
Stuart Winsor <stuart...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> While you're about it, the police are generally interested in death threats
> The ISPs will no doubt co-operate with the police.
It was posted from Google Groups. I'm sure they'd be interested in
co-operating with the police. And I'm sure they'd also be interested in
removing this moron's access. Permanently. It's just a shame they don't put
the posting-IP address in the header like Hotmail do. Five quid says they've
got it in their logs though, but I bet he/she/it has gone through a proxy or
a NAT.
Later,
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skok
tik Steven Pampling <steve.p...@argonet.co.uk>:
> Beside which the idiot character is inaccurate anyway.
> As understand it a number of people have modified a number of Justins
> utils (mostly to prove it can be done or for their own use) but
> respect his wishes about not releasing the results.
Why doesn't he want the stuff released?
Samuel
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Pretoria, South Africa
Bio: http://go.to/skock/bio.htm
If any word is improper at the end of a sentence, a linking verb is.
Philip Pemberton
"skok" <sam...@depsammed.com> wrote:
> Why doesn't he want the stuff released?
Probably for the same reason I don't want modified versions of my code
floating around. (most) Software developers want to keep the distribution of
their code centralised - it's no good having the author distributing the
"official" version of the code, then someone comes along, patches it and
releases it. Users expect the author to help them out if/when the patch
misbehaves, the author doesn't have code for the patch, doesn't know how it
works, etc. because he didn't write it.
ISTR the GPL has a clause in it to the effect of "You can't release modified
versions of this code unless they are CLEARLY MARKED AS SUCH" (emphasis is
mine).
Later.
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... Reactance: your imaginary friend.
skok
tik Philip Pemberton <phi...@despammed.com>:
> Probably for the same reason I don't want modified versions of my code
> floating around. (most) Software developers want to keep the
> distribution of their code centralised - it's no good having the
> author distributing the "official" version of the code, then someone
> comes along, patches it and releases it. Users expect the author to
> help them out if/when the patch misbehaves, the author doesn't have
> code for the patch, doesn't know how it works, etc. because he didn't
> write it.
> ISTR the GPL has a clause in it to the effect of "You can't release
> modified versions of this code unless they are CLEARLY MARKED AS
> SUCH" (emphasis is mine).
Well, I hope the guys who modified Justin's code sent it to him then... :)
Ciao!
Samuel
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Pretoria, South Africa
Bio: http://go.to/skock/bio.htm
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Kell Gatherer
to what this is all about.
Why is Justin Fletcher not making his excellent software available for RO5?
And why has he removed all of his software from his web site?
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Chris Williams
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Kell Gatherer wrote:
> And why has [Justin] removed all of his software from his web site?
See the 18th Aug diary entry:
http://www.movspclr.co.uk/diary/index.html
All the best,
skok
tik Chris Williams <es...@warwick.ac.uk>:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Kell Gatherer wrote:
>
>> And why has [Justin] removed all of his software from his web site?
>
> See the 18th Aug diary entry:
> http://www.movspclr.co.uk/diary/index.html
That does not say much, does it? Basicly, he has reasons for not updating
his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
Illogical, Captain!
Samuel
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Pretoria, South Africa
Bio: http://go.to/skock/bio.htm
Treat your friend as if he might become an enemy.
John Pettigrew
> That does not say much, does it? Basicly, he has reasons for not updating
> his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
The point is, he has decided that he doesn't want to do so - that's his choice
(which we are free to disagree with and even dislike). As a result of this
choice, though, some disturbed people have started threatening him. So, he
decided to remove all his software. Again, his choice - it's his software.
John
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skok
tik John Pettigrew <ne...@headstrong-games.co.uk>:
> In a previous message, "skok" <sam...@depsammed.com> wrote:
>
>> That does not say much, does it? Basicly, he has reasons for not
>> updating his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
>
> The point is, he has decided that he doesn't want to do so - that's
> his choice (which we are free to disagree with and even dislike). As
> a result of this choice, though, some disturbed people have started
> threatening him. So, he decided to remove all his software. Again,
> his choice - it's his software.
But it is to the detriment of the people that wold want to use the software.
Especially !JFShared...
I hope he is happy now that he has thrown all his toys out the cot!
Samuel
--
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Pretoria, South Africa
Bio: http://go.to/skock/bio.htm
If no one uses it, there's a reason.
Sandy Morton
<sam...@depsammed.com> wrote:
> That does not say much, does it? Basicly, he has reasons for not
> updating his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
> Illogical, Captain!
His software - his right.
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in the Global Village
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Stewart Brodie
> In nuus:gemini.3f422da304ada990%ne...@headstrong-games.co.uk,
> tik John Pettigrew <ne...@headstrong-games.co.uk>:
> > In a previous message, "skok" <sam...@depsammed.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That does not say much, does it? Basicly, he has reasons for not
> >> updating his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
> >
> > The point is, he has decided that he doesn't want to do so - that's
> > his choice (which we are free to disagree with and even dislike). As
> > a result of this choice, though, some disturbed people have started
> > threatening him. So, he decided to remove all his software. Again,
> > his choice - it's his software.
>
> But it is to the detriment of the people that wold want to use the
> software. Especially !JFShared...
>
> I hope he is happy now that he has thrown all his toys out the cot!
[Please note: I'm not talking about Justin in my comments here]
Sadly, there are some people who just seem to expect to be able to abuse
software authors for not instantly doing everything those people demand (for
no charge, in most cases). In the end, the software authors end up thinking
that they can just do without the worry, stress & hassle and just give up -
you just don't need that, *especially* when you're doing it in your spare
time, for free, as a favour to the community.
Even with the positive support from so many people, after a while it doesn't
take much to make you want to just stop and throw everything away.
--
Stewart Brodie
Annraoi
> In article <bht9ml$fod$1...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>, skok
> <sam...@depsammed.com> wrote:
> > That does not say much, does it? Basicly, he has reasons for not
> > updating his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
>
> > Illogical, Captain!
>
> His software - his right.
Very true, and I suspect he'll even be less inclined to do so after
being threatened (I know I would).
This is utterly sad, and pointless. In my *many* years of using csa
newsgroups this is the first (and I hope the last) time I ever see
anyone threatened here.
Thing is the idiot who started all of this *damaged* this platform by
his behaviour (quite apart from no doubt upsetting Justin, and
irratating the rest of us). In short the Idiot's actions were not only
upsetting but counterproductive.
I'd be the first in line to encourage Justin to convert his excellent
code to 32bit - but how can I (or anyone else) do so after this ?
There's a nutter threatening people, there's a company promising a
machine will be ready soon even when it didn't exist and taking
deposits for it years in advance, there's people taking a dim view of
the only new hardware to exist and trying to pull it down because it
might succeed.
Is there no-one here trying to build up RISC OS rather than trying to
tear the whole thing down ?
Regards (a now very sad, confused and perplexed)
Annraoi
skok
tik pv <nos...@segfault.co.uk>:
>> updating his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
>
I just think maybe everyone is a tad paranoid? He must come live here - Here
your life is threatened evey day!
I told you a million times stop exaggerating! :)
Samuel
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Pretoria, South Africa
Bio: http://go.to/skock/bio.htm
Using TSO is like kicking a dead whale across the beach.
Peter Naulls
"skok" <sam...@depsammed.com> wrote:
> But it is to the detriment of the people that wold want to use the software.
> Especially !JFShared...
>
> I hope he is happy now that he has thrown all his toys out the cot!
On the contrary, you are the one making lots of noise and getting
upset. Toy throwing would be much more likely to be associated with
your actions rather than his.
Why you insist on endlessly commenting on subjects you poorly
understand is beyond me.
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skok
tik Steven Pampling <steve.p...@argonet.co.uk>:
> In article <bhsv7e$aul$1...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>,
> skok <sam...@depsammed.com> wrote:
>> In nuus:4c241a10d1st...@argonet.co.uk,
>> tik Steven Pampling <steve.p...@argonet.co.uk>:
>>> Beside which the idiot character is inaccurate anyway.
>>> As understand it a number of people have modified a number of
>>> Justins utils (mostly to prove it can be done or for their own use)
>>> but respect his wishes about not releasing the results.
>
>> Why doesn't he want the stuff released?
>
> His reasons are his reasons. It's his IP and that's the end of it.
So his reason for not wanting the stuff released is he does not want the
stuff released? :)
SS
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Pretoria, South Africa
Bio: http://go.to/skock/bio.htm
Sheelagh K Cartmell
Annraoi <a...@globalcafe.ie> wrote:
> Is there no-one here trying to build up RISC OS rather than trying to
> tear the whole thing down ?
Yes. Plenty. The trouble is that a small number of people can make a lot of
damage. The vast majority are positive and a goodly nimber are working very
hard to build up RISC OS.
Just please remember to thank them regularly. It *does* help.
--
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Steve Fryatt
<4c248ec9c2st...@argonet.co.uk>:
> In article <bhsv7e$aul$1...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>,
> skok <sam...@depsammed.com> wrote:
> > In nuus:4c241a10d1st...@argonet.co.uk,
> > tik Steven Pampling <steve.p...@argonet.co.uk>:
> > > Beside which the idiot character is inaccurate anyway.
> > > As understand it a number of people have modified a number of Justins
> > > utils (mostly to prove it can be done or for their own use) but
> > > respect his wishes about not releasing the results.
>
> > Why doesn't he want the stuff released?
>
> Probably for the same reason he hasn't done any RO5 versions himself.
> His reasons are his reasons. It's his IP and that's the end of it.
Which is what causes the frustration. Not releasing 32-bit updates if you
have to do it yourself is understandable. If someone else has already
done the work, the motivation for refusing to allow them to be released is
more questionable. See recent debate WRT APDL and the Iyonix.
I agree it's Justin's right to choose not to allow the release of updates
to his software. It might help to prevent idiots like the OP from
getting involved if his reasons were known, however. That said, it's
Justin's choice in the end -- no one else's.
--
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* Aug 19 1897 - Electric cabs were introduced in London, to be withdrawn in
1900 for being uneconomical.
Steve Fryatt
<dab3e751.03081...@posting.google.com>:
> This is utterly sad, and pointless. In my *many* years of using csa
> newsgroups this is the first (and I hope the last) time I ever see
> anyone threatened here.
Sadly not: If Justin has moved on following the postings here, he wouldn't
be the first programmer to apparently be driven off by the idiots since I
started lurking in 1995. Some people don't seem to learn. :-(
--
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Wim Ekels
<URL:mailto:nos...@locsource.com> wrote:
> Not that I particularly wish to join this thread, however I'm intrigued as
> to what this is all about.
>
> Why is Justin Fletcher not making his excellent software available for RO5?
>
> And why has he removed all of his software from his web site?
>
page of his site, he feels very uncomfortable about the threats he has
received.
I hope this wont mean the loss for the RiscOS community of one of the
most valuable people ever on our scene.
Wim
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Malcolm Ripley
"skok" <sam...@depsammed.com> wrote in message
news:bht1te$c81$1...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> In nuus:ac4065244...@dsl.pipex.com,
> tik Philip Pemberton <phi...@despammed.com>:
> > Probably for the same reason I don't want modified versions of my code
> > floating around. (most) Software developers want to keep the
> > distribution of their code centralised - it's no good having the
> > author distributing the "official" version of the code, then someone
> > comes along, patches it and releases it. Users expect the author to
> > help them out if/when the patch misbehaves, the author doesn't have
> > code for the patch, doesn't know how it works, etc. because he didn't
> > write it.
> > ISTR the GPL has a clause in it to the effect of "You can't release
> > modified versions of this code unless they are CLEARLY MARKED AS
> > SUCH" (emphasis is mine).
>
> Well, I hope the guys who modified Justin's code sent it to him then... :)
>
messages and the info page (assuming its an application or in the help if
its a module etc etc). If the checksum returned from the user is not the
same as your release it has been modified and so no need to support it
(pointless anyway).
regards,
Malcolm
Kell Gatherer
Wim Ekels <w.a....@planet.nl> wrote:
> In article <4c246856...@locsource.com>, Kell Gatherer
> <URL:mailto:nos...@locsource.com> wrote:
> > Not that I particularly wish to join this thread, however I'm
> > intrigued as to what this is all about.
> >
> > Why is Justin Fletcher not making his excellent software available for
> > RO5?
> >
> > And why has he removed all of his software from his web site?
> As you can read in his diary entry for 18 Aug 2003 and the What's new
> page of his site, he feels very uncomfortable about the threats he has
> received.
However this does not answer my original query: why is Justin Fletcher not
making his excellent software available for RO5?
He has not either a) explained why he will not update his software,
nor b) explained why he will not let others update his software.
He had ample opportunity to do both long before he was recently threatened
by a moron.
> I hope this wont mean the loss for the RiscOS community of one of the
> most valuable people ever on our scene.
Justin's software has indeed been of inestimable value to the RISC OS
community. That value, however, was lessened when it was not made
available to RISC OS 5, and has been lessened even more now that it is no
longer available at all. Something must have happened which 'disenchanted'
Justin from RISC OS 5, or from Castle, or from RISC OS Ltd, or from who
knows? I was just intrigued to know if anyone knew what happened, or could
hazard a guess.
As has been pointed out by many other posters, it is Justin's software,
and he can do with it as he pleases. I doubt anyone can argue with that.
There may be those, however (I do not count myself amongst them) who may
take Justin's mysterious actions as a snub to the RISC OS community, in
which case he lays himself open to less sympathy should third parties
update his software and release it without his permission.
Walking out and slamming the door is something we all may do when piqued;
it takes some strength of character and a good measure of humility to
re-enter the fold. Let's hope he's not gone too long.
Adam Richardson
> > And why has he removed all of his software from his web site?
> >
> As you can read in his diary entry for 18 Aug 2003 and the What's new
> page of his site, he feels very uncomfortable about the threats he has
> received.
People keep saying to read his diary. It's not very helpful:-(
I can sum up what he says here: "I've recieved abusive mail"
He says no more, no less - he certainly doesn't say that he is
"uncomfortable" or even that that is why he removed his software!
Adam
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Carpe Diem
Do one thing every day that scares you.
Adam Richardson
> In message <bhtakm$g3o$1...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>
> "skok" <sam...@depsammed.com> wrote:
> > I hope he is happy now that he has thrown all his toys out the cot!
>
> On the contrary, you are the one making lots of noise and getting
> upset. Toy throwing would be much more likely to be associated with
> your actions rather than his.
I can see where Samuel is coming from. It does seem that the rest of us are
being "punished" for the immature action of one this one individual (Osama -
not Justin)
Has Justin decided that he can't be bothered to support his code any more
(his perogotive, of course) so is going out in a "blaze of glory"?
It would seem there /must/ be a more substantial reason than this - someone
has made a vague reference to GPL licences or something. Is there something
political going on here?
> Why you insist on endlessly commenting on subjects you poorly
> understand is beyond me.
This is exactly the point! Without knowing *why* Justin has removed his
software the only conclusion that can be reached is that he is having a bit
of a tantrum :-(
Adam
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Carpe Diem
A person who smiles in the face of adversity probably has a scapegoat.
Stuart Winsor
> <URL:mailto:nos...@locsource.com> wrote:
> > Not that I particularly wish to join this thread, however I'm
> > intrigued as to what this is all about.
> >
> > Why is Justin Fletcher not making his excellent software available for
> > RO5?
> >
> > And why has he removed all of his software from his web site?
> >
> As you can read in his diary entry for 18 Aug 2003 and the What's new
> page of his site, he feels very uncomfortable about the threats he has
> received.
Seems a perfectly reasonable state of mind given the circumstances.
> I hope this wont mean the loss for the RiscOS community of one of the
> most valuable people ever on our scene.
Agreed, but the fact that we all honour and respect him won't stop the
lunatics.
Has he got the police involved?
Stuart
> Wim
Dave Symes
> <URL:mailto:nos...@locsource.com> wrote:
> > Not that I particularly wish to join this thread, however I'm
> > intrigued as to what this is all about.
> >
> > Why is Justin Fletcher not making his excellent software available for
> > RO5?
> >
> > And why has he removed all of his software from his web site?
> >
> As you can read in his diary entry for 18 Aug 2003 and the What's new
> page of his site, he feels very uncomfortable about the threats he has
> received.
> I hope this wont mean the loss for the RiscOS community of one of the
> most valuable people ever on our scene.
> Wim
Software aside, as that is entirely Justins's business, what he does or
doesn't do with it...
I'm commenting about the threats and abusive mailing...
I suppose we each have to draw our own line in the sand at times like
this, but for me, threats and verbal abuse only make me more determined to
not allow morons to dictate or influence my life.
Being a recalcitrant for much of my life means I expand, not curl in on
myself when such things occur.
Dave S
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tik Adam Richardson <cooladamr...@yahoo.com>:
Naah, life is too short for tantrums. I was just being curious...
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Christopher Bazley
"Malcolm Ripley" <mri...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> Stick a self checksum inside the code and display the checksum on all error
> messages and the info page (assuming its an application or in the help if
> its a module etc etc). If the checksum returned from the user is not the
> same as your release it has been modified and so no need to support it
> (pointless anyway).
I had an interesting experience with adding checksum functionality to
Star Fighter 3000.
IMO a checksum compiled into the code is of little or no use, since anyone
can hack the Absolute file and the checksum will of course remain the
same. For this reason I wanted to generate the checksum at run-time, but
I found this surprisingly difficult.
Because the contents of the SharedCLibrary stubs cannot be predicted, I
had to make use of the symbols defined by the Linker. My method uses
OS_CRC in two steps; first from the base of the read-only area
(Image$$RO$$Base) to the base of the stubs (Stub$$Entries$$Base), and
then from the end of the stubs (Stub$$Entries$$Limit) to the base of the
zero-init area (Image$$ZI$$Base). And of course you need to do this
immediately that the program is started.
None of which was particularly obvious when I first considered doing a
check sum! :)
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druck
> People keep saying to read his diary. It's not very helpful:-(
> I can sum up what he says here: "I've recieved abusive mail"
If you think thats abusive, you should see some of the responses I get
when I point out how to post properly. Some of them really are hilarious.
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Ralph Corderoy
> As you can read in his diary entry for 18 Aug 2003
Can you still access that? I find his diary is only as recent as
February. The RSS feed for it does provide August URLs but the anchors
referred to don't exist.
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Wim Ekels
<URL:mailto:ra...@inputplus.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Wim,
>
> > As you can read in his diary entry for 18 Aug 2003
>
> Can you still access that? I find his diary is only as recent as
> February. The RSS feed for it does provide August URLs but the anchors
> referred to don't exist.
Yes until a few days ago there was no update frommFebruary,
Now Justin has updated the diary.
http://www.movspclr.co.uk/diary/index.html
> Cheers,
regards
David Holden
On 20-Aug-2003, Dave Symes <d...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> Software aside, as that is entirely Justins's business, what he does
> or doesn't do with it...
>
> I'm commenting about the threats and abusive mailing...
>
> I suppose we each have to draw our own line in the sand at times
> like this, but for me, threats and verbal abuse only make me more
> determined to not allow morons to dictate or influence my life.
I think that's exactly Justin't reaction.
If someone who wants me to do something is abusive or threatening then
it's one sure way of guaranteeing that I _won't_ do it. I assume
Justin's reaction is similar.
Perhaps if people had used a softer approach and tried persuasion
instead of abuse Justin would have reacted rather differently. But for
this to work you have to be prepared to accept 'no' for an answer so
you can come back and try again later. They obviously weren't, so I
suspect it's too late now, and I for one don't blame him. In his
position I certainly wouldn't want to take any action that might be
construed as giving in to these morons.
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VinceH (use reply-to)
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2003 Adam Richardson <cooladamr...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > People keep saying to read his diary. It's not very
> > helpful:-( I can sum up what he says here: "I've recieved
> > abusive mail"
> If you think thats abusive, you should see some of the
> responses I get when I point out how to post properly.
I was thinking along similar lines, but in my case I
was thinking of some of the, ahem, "removal requests"
that I receive as a result of the ongoing spam "from"
softrock.co.uk problem.
TBH I think if Justin is upset by this moron's post,
then if he were in receipt of some of my email he'd
be a gibbering wreck by now.
> Some of them really are hilarious.
I wish that could be said for some of mine <g>
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druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2003 Adam Richardson <cooladamr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > People keep saying to read his diary. It's not very helpful:-(
> > I can sum up what he says here: "I've recieved abusive mail"
>
> If you think thats abusive, you should see some of the responses I get
> when I point out how to post properly. Some of them really are hilarious.
>
To be fair, Dave, you're not known for mincing your words yourself ;-)
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Stewart Brodie
> In message <bhvupf$lks$1...@newshost.mot.com>
> "Malcolm Ripley" <mri...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Stick a self checksum inside the code and display the checksum on all
> > error messages and the info page (assuming its an application or in the
> > help if its a module etc etc). If the checksum returned from the user
> > is not the same as your release it has been modified and so no need to
> > support it (pointless anyway).
>
> I had an interesting experience with adding checksum functionality to Star
> Fighter 3000.
>
> IMO a checksum compiled into the code is of little or no use, since anyone
> can hack the Absolute file and the checksum will of course remain the
> same. For this reason I wanted to generate the checksum at run-time, but I
> found this surprisingly difficult.
>
> Because the contents of the SharedCLibrary stubs cannot be predicted, I
> had to make use of the symbols defined by the Linker. My method uses
> OS_CRC in two steps; first from the base of the read-only area
> (Image$$RO$$Base) to the base of the stubs (Stub$$Entries$$Base), and then
> from the end of the stubs (Stub$$Entries$$Limit) to the base of the
> zero-init area (Image$$ZI$$Base). And of course you need to do this
> immediately that the program is started.
Use C$$Code$$Base and C$$Code$$Limit instead. That's what I used in the
Browse/Java upgrade software. My motive was more to allow us to publish the
upgrades freely but only allow people who had paid for the product actually
use it. But as a side-effect, it allowed the program to verify that it had
not been tampered with.
Say you generate an MD5 checksum for the C code area, then you can use that
as the basis for a decryption key for C$$Data$$Base to C$$Data$$Limit. Thus,
if the code area is tampered with, the data area will not decode correctly
and the program will crash (unless you also checksum the decrypted data area
and compare it against a stored checksum of what it should be, in which case
you can at least call OS_GenerateError and die gracefully). Crashing was
not, in my case, a problem. All you need is for your data area to contain a
few pointers to function, and the whole thing goes pop bang. Plus, anybody
trying a debugger on it would be defeated unless the debugger emulated all
the code - something which I ensured would be chronically slow.
Both checksums were then used, amongst other things, as seeds for decrypting
the software upgrade files. Thus there were several pieces of data required
to decrypt the upgrade files and they all end up protecting each other as
none of them had to be explicitly stored.
I don't know whether anybody ever bothered trying to crack it. The one
thing that I can guarantee is that anybody who did try was wasting their
time completely (whether they succeeded or not!)
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Malcolm Ripley
"Steve Fryatt" <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote in message
news:e0b7a124...@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk...
> On 19 Aug, Annraoi wrote in message
> <dab3e751.03081...@posting.google.com>:
>
> > This is utterly sad, and pointless. In my *many* years of using csa
> > newsgroups this is the first (and I hope the last) time I ever see
> > anyone threatened here.
>
> Sadly not: If Justin has moved on following the postings here, he wouldn't
> be the first programmer to apparently be driven off by the idiots since I
> started lurking in 1995. Some people don't seem to learn. :-(
>
idiots. After all the idiots might not be ! They could be behaving that way
to achieve exactly what they have achieved. That makes them clever and we
the fools for allowing it to happen.
Mr osamabinlarden needs tracing and his/her details passed to the police.
Threatening behaviour is illegal whether physical, verbal or written.
regards,
Malcolm
Malcolm Ripley
"Christopher Bazley" <chris...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:fce31025...@freeuk.com...
constants you distribute.
I also use OS_CRC in basic programs but only the code not the stack.
regards,
Malcolm
Ralph Corderoy
> Yes until a few days ago there was no update frommFebruary,
> Now Justin has updated the diary.
> http://www.movspclr.co.uk/diary/index.html
Thanks. I wonder why the From header of this threat has the name of
Acorn user Paul Grattage in it?
From: Osama paul grattage binlarden <osamabi...@vgnmail.com>
Does Osama know him and is he trying to cast aspersions? Perhaps that
means Paul can guess who Osama is? The CIA may be interested! :-)
Tim Hill
Dave Symes <d...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> Being a recalcitrant for much of my life means I expand, not curl in on
> myself when such things occur.
Even when someone points out that you mean either: 'a recalcitrance' or
'a recalcitrant person'? ;-)
T. ;-D
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<ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2003 Adam Richardson <cooladamr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > People keep saying to read his diary. It's not very helpful:-( I can
> > sum up what he says here: "I've recieved abusive mail"
> If you think thats abusive, you should see some of the responses I get
^^^^^
> when I point out how to post properly. Some of them really are
> hilarious.
Maybe the same is true if you point out missing apostrophes to people too.
;-)
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"Malcolm Ripley" <mri...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> "Steve Fryatt" <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:e0b7a124...@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk...
> > On 19 Aug, Annraoi wrote in message
> > <dab3e751.03081...@posting.google.com>:
> >
> > > This is utterly sad, and pointless. In my *many* years of using csa
> > > newsgroups this is the first (and I hope the last) time I ever see
> > > anyone threatened here.
> >
> > Sadly not: If Justin has moved on following the postings here, he
> > wouldn't be the first programmer to apparently be driven off by the
> > idiots since I started lurking in 1995. Some people don't seem to learn.
> > :-(
>
> Surely it is up to the majority of non idiots to get rid of the minority of
> idiots.
If the poster is not known then why do people think they should be taken
seriously? I'm completely at a loss as to why so many people seem to hold an
anonymous posters opinion in such high stead.
> After all the idiots might not be ! They could be behaving that way to
> achieve exactly what they have achieved. That makes them clever and we
"We"? As far as I know one person has allowed/caused "it" to happen. I
certainly haven't done anything due to any anonymous messages and I don't
see why anyone else should.
> the fools for allowing it to happen.
>
[snip]
HTH,
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John Duffey
<mri...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Mr osamabinlarden needs tracing and his/her details passed to
> the police. Threatening behaviour is illegal whether physical,
> verbal or written.
I reckon you should go along to the local plod shop and say
"Someone's been sending me threatening anonymous emails because
I won't release 32 bit updates to some software" and see how
long it takes until the station psychiatrist shows up to
interview you.
John
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Mac compares with Photodesk for photo retouching, geometry correction
etc ?
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Martin Wuerthner
Adam Richardson <cooladamr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It would seem there /must/ be a more substantial reason than this -
> someone has made a vague reference to GPL licences or something. Is
> there something political going on here?
Sigh, it has worked already. Wim has made a wild guess and you repeated
it. What is the point? This is how unfounded rumours get started.
I wonder why you insist in finding any deeper reason. Was the threat
not enough of a reason for Justin's reaction? Do we always need a
conspiracy theory?
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druck
> On 21 Aug 2003, in message <01982925...@druck.freeuk.net>, druck
> <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>> On 20 Aug 2003 Adam Richardson <cooladamr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> People keep saying to read his diary. It's not very helpful:-( I can sum
>>> up what he says here: "I've recieved abusive mail"
>>
>> If you think thats abusive, you should see some of the responses I get
>> when I point out how to post properly. Some of them really are hilarious.
>>
> To be fair, Dave, you're not known for mincing your words yourself ;-)
If the individual concerned tried it on we me, he'd be wishing he was
Osama Bin Laden for an easier life.
David Holden
On 21-Aug-2003, Martin Wuerthner
<mar...@invalidMW-software.com.invalid> wrote:
> In message <b7460825...@richardsons.argonet.co.uk>
> Adam Richardson <cooladamr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > It would seem there /must/ be a more substantial reason than this
> > -
> > someone has made a vague reference to GPL licences or something.
> > Is there something political going on here?
>
> Sigh, it has worked already. Wim has made a wild guess and you
> repeated it. What is the point? This is how unfounded rumours get
> started.
>
> I wonder why you insist in finding any deeper reason. Was the threat
> not enough of a reason for Justin's reaction? Do we always need a
> conspiracy theory?
This is usenet. Conspiracy theories, unfounded rumors and and wild
accusations are what it's /for/.
Adam Richardson
> Naah, life is too short for tantrums. I was just being curious...
Adam Richardson
> I wonder why you insist in finding any deeper reason. Was the threat not
> enough of a reason for Justin's reaction? Do we always need a conspiracy
> theory?
All I did was /ask/ if anyone knew anything. I didn't actually suggest any
theories, be they conspiratorial or not.
At /no/ point has Justin said "I removed my software because of this abuse."
- so why do you give that as the reason. You're making more unfounded
assumptions than me!
Bye,
Adam
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I would be extremeley concerned if my local police didn't treat abusive,
threatening EMail just as seriously as they would treat similar snailmail.
Stuart
Dave Symes
Tim Hill <1...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <4c250e...@ukgateway.net>,
> Dave Symes <d...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> > Being a recalcitrant for much of my life means I expand, not curl in on
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > myself when such things occur.
> Even when someone points out that you mean either: 'a recalcitrance' or
> 'a recalcitrant person'? ;-)
> T. ;-D
Yes, almost amusing tiny Tim, how's your game leg these days. :-)
I know what I meant... Being wilfully disobedient for much of my life...
Anyway... silliness aside... A serious question, totally OT., but I've
just remembered... So I'd better ask now.
Would you, as a person with a bit of knowledge on the subject, say that in
your estimation, all the works attributed to Bill Shakespeare, were
written by the same person?
It's just that someone I was chatting to recently, seemed to suggest that
more than one author was responsible for that body of work... I appreciate
it's not a new theory, but I wondered what you thought.
Cheers
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druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> If the individual concerned tried it on we me, he'd be wishing he was
> Osama Bin Laden for an easier life.
Yes, we can imagine :-)
Philip Pemberton
Paul <nos...@segfault.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6ef97f25...@rpc700.net>,
> <art...@invalid.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> > Can anyone offer an opinion on how Adobe Photoshop Elements v2 on the Mac
> > compares with Photodesk for photo retouching, geometry correction etc ?
>
> Your photo is a delicate nut.
> Photodesk is a fine and ornately crafted nutcracker.
> Photoshop Elements is a sledge hammer.
Seeing as we're on the "nutcracker" themes... Using Photoshop 5.5 to edit a
photo is like using a steamroller to shell macadamia nuts. Trust me, PShop55
is truly the spawn of the devil himself. In my opinion anyway.
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Philip Pemberton <phi...@despammed.com> wrote:
> In message <4c25f405...@segfault.co.uk>
> Paul <nos...@segfault.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <6ef97f25...@rpc700.net>,
> > <art...@invalid.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> > > Can anyone offer an opinion on how Adobe Photoshop Elements v2 on
> > > the Mac compares with Photodesk for photo retouching, geometry
> > > correction etc ?
> >
> > Your photo is a delicate nut. Photodesk is a fine and ornately crafted
> > nutcracker. Photoshop Elements is a sledge hammer.
> Seeing as we're on the "nutcracker" themes... Using Photoshop 5.5 to
> edit a photo is like using a steamroller to shell macadamia nuts. Trust
> me, PShop55 is truly the spawn of the devil himself. In my opinion
> anyway.
On the other hand, I think PhotoDesk is the very opposite of a fine and
ornately crafted nutcracker.
The front end is a nasty mess.
Now you are getting me really Grumpy :-{
My closest description would be... thinks hard... The brown stuff that
Anus exits.
And if I had a spare other hand, I would also agree that PS ain't much fun
either.
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> In article <8a98f8254...@dsl.pipex.com>,
> Philip Pemberton <phi...@despammed.com> wrote:
> > In message <4c25f405...@segfault.co.uk>
> > Paul <nos...@segfault.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > In article <6ef97f25...@rpc700.net>,
> > > <art...@invalid.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> > > > Can anyone offer an opinion on how Adobe Photoshop Elements v2 on
> > > > the Mac compares with Photodesk for photo retouching, geometry
> > > > correction etc ?
> > >
> > > Your photo is a delicate nut. Photodesk is a fine and ornately crafted
> > > nutcracker. Photoshop Elements is a sledge hammer.
> > Seeing as we're on the "nutcracker" themes... Using Photoshop 5.5 to
> > edit a photo is like using a steamroller to shell macadamia nuts. Trust
> > me, PShop55 is truly the spawn of the devil himself. In my opinion
> > anyway.
>
> On the other hand, I think PhotoDesk is the very opposite of a fine and
> ornately crafted nutcracker.
>
> The front end is a nasty mess.
Just in the interests of balance, I think the interface is great.
> Now you are getting me really Grumpy :-{
Sorry!
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> regards,
> Malcolm
IIRC the sample of the personal email that Justin received is on his
webiste, and may contain some pointers to the source, although emails are
something of a black art to me :-/
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> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> myself when such things occur.
> Even when someone points out that you mean either: 'a recalcitrance' or
> 'a recalcitrant person'? ;-)
It probably is what he meant, for no better reason that that's exactly
what he said.
Recalcitrant
[snip]
sb. A recalcitrant person. 1865
Maybe you should get a better dictionary. That definition's from a somewhat
elderly copy of the Shorter OED.
Chris
Tim Hill
<chr...@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Being a recalcitrant for much of my life means I expand, not curl in
> >> on
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> myself when such things occur.
> > Even when someone points out that you mean either: 'a recalcitrance'
> > or 'a recalcitrant person'? ;-)
> It probably is what he meant, for no better reason that that's exactly
> what he said.
NSS. Hence the ;-)
> Recalcitrant
> [snip]
> sb. A recalcitrant person. 1865
> Maybe you should get a better dictionary. That definition's from a
> somewhat elderly copy of the Shorter OED.
Never mind what dictionaries say (of which I have plenty, thanks, and not
limited to the OED, shorter or otherwise). Don't forget they're a record
on how English language is used, not instructions on how to use it.
Recalcitrant = adjective
Recalcitrance = noun
in this house. :-D It's such a /much/ better word!
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> Recalcitrant = adjective
> Recalcitrance = noun
>
> in this house. :-D It's such a /much/ better word!
That's all very well, but pay attention to what the words actually mean.
"Recalcitrance" is indeed a noun, but it does not refer to a person who is
recalcitrant - it refers to the action of being recalcitrant:
"John, a recalcitrant, displayed recalcitrance by disobeying the order to
advance".
That is, "recalcitrant" may be either an adjective or a noun, depending how it
is used. "Recalcitrance" is a noun, but one that refers to the action not the
actor.
</grammar-pedant>
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Pettigrew <ne...@headstrong-games.co.uk> wrote:
> That is, "recalcitrant" may be either an adjective or a noun, depending
> how it is used. "Recalcitrance" is a noun, but one that refers to the
> action not the actor.
In your universe maybe.
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> In article <gemini.3f4c763c0116c730%ne...@headstrong-games.co.uk>, John
> Pettigrew <ne...@headstrong-games.co.uk> wrote:
> > That is, "recalcitrant" may be either an adjective or a noun, depending
> > how it is used. "Recalcitrance" is a noun, but one that refers to the
> > action not the actor.
>
> In your universe maybe.
In the one occupied by every other English speaker, I'm afraid.
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John Pettigrew <ne...@headstrong-games.co.uk> wrote:
> In a previous message, Tim Hill <1...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > In article <gemini.3f4c763c0116c730%ne...@headstrong-games.co.uk>, John
> > Pettigrew <ne...@headstrong-games.co.uk> wrote:
> > > That is, "recalcitrant" may be either an adjective or a noun,
> > > depending how it is used. "Recalcitrance" is a noun, but one that
> > > refers to the action not the actor.
> >
> > In your universe maybe.
> In the one occupied by every other English speaker, I'm afraid.
> John
So guys, the bottom line...
Am I allowed to say: "Being a recalcitrant for much of my life..."?
;-)
Cheers
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Derek Banks
Osama bin Larden wrote:
> the Easysocket module from your website will already run on the iyonix
> under aemulor you can't stop that you failed to prefent the
> manufacture of the iyonix with all your fucking gpl nonsence. Send an
> email NOW to Frank de Bruijn telling him he can release his 32 bit
> easysocket or I will make a 32bit easysocket myself and will release
> it and you will be able to do fuck all about it SO FUCK YOU YOU MOTHER
> FUCKER AND LET HIM RELASE IT OR YOU WILL BE SORRY
wot's this abaht !
Ian Molton
Derek Banks <derek...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> wot's this abaht !
Its just a moron. ignore it.
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druck
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:36:27 +0100
> Derek Banks <derek...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > wot's this abaht !
>
> Its just a moron. ignore it.
Quoting it again in full after two weeks, cross posting it to two newsgroups,
and writing something that does not pass for any known form of English, would
suggest two morons.
Ian Molton
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> Quoting it again in full after two weeks, cross posting it to two
> newsgroups, and writing something that does not pass for any known
> form of English, would suggest two morons.
Druck, are you feeling ok? you seem to be being more harsh than usual.
It was (AFAIK) a first offense...
Tarquin Mills
osamabi...@vgnmail.com (Osama bin Larden) wrote:
[snip rude bit]
I am totally (110%) against death threats! Justin Fletcher was given a
death threat because of his involvement in the ROS5 GPL story. As I
recall Castle got attacked by Linux users and I am against this too. I
think Justin Fletcher and Peter Naulls being attacked is a sign of things
to come. This is in part as a result of the move to free software, in the
past you could ring technical support, or buy a rival's product, or in
the last resort go to court. If you want to critise someone, critise
Norwich PC User Group, the committee are:
steven....@btinternet.com
paulgo...@totalise.co.uk
jonwi...@dsl.pipex.com
bill_...@dsl.pipex.com
da...@farthingdesign.co.uk
che...@clara.co.uk
alanw...@dsl.pipex.com
julia...@btinternet.com
mrk...@btinternet.com
g...@pobox.com
or use comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy.
I do not like being held to ransom by other programmers, it is time we had
a new central archive like hensa to stop this happening. I have been
told that to get the ncurses library that is free, I will have to pay 10
pounds for a single issue of Foundation RISC User.
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Tarquin Mills
> skok wrote:
> > That does not say much, does it? Basicly, he has reasons for not
> > updating his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
> So what? It's his software, and his reasons! End of story really!
This a strange view for a free software advocate (JF) to take, as the
one of the points of free software is that it is owned by everyone, i.e.
the Creative Commons.
Peter Naulls
Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> In message <9ded7d4d.0308...@posting.google.com>
> osamabi...@vgnmail.com (Osama bin Larden) wrote:
> [snip rude bit]
> I am totally (110%) against death threats! Justin Fletcher was given a
> death threat because of his involvement in the ROS5 GPL story. As I
> recall Castle got attacked by Linux users and I am against this too. I
> think Justin Fletcher and Peter Naulls being attacked is a sign of things
I'm sorry? Please don't start a conspiracy theory. In instances where
I've been "attacked", I'm well aware of the perpetrators.
[snip rubbish]
> I do not like being held to ransom by other programmers, it is time we had
> a new central archive like hensa to stop this happening. I have been
> told that to get the ncurses library that is free, I will have to pay 10
> pounds for a single issue of Foundation RISC User.
You've been told no such thing. Please don't lie. And don't attempt
to pull in totally irrelevant content to topic which was about
anonymous threats against Justin.
I want no part of this - if you have any genuine issue with something
you think I've done or Justin's done, then at least have the deceny to
take it with us _privately_ first.
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Peter Naulls
Tarquin Mills <specc...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Paul Vigay wrote:
> > skok wrote:
> > > That does not say much, does it? Basicly, he has reasons for not
> > > updating his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
> > So what? It's his software, and his reasons! End of story really!
> This a strange view for a free software advocate (JF) to take, as the
> one of the points of free software is that it is owned by everyone, i.e.
> the Creative Commons.
No, this is naive in the extreme. In particular, the software under
the GPL very much belongs to the copyright holder. Other licences have
variations on this.
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Chris Williams
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Tarquin Mills wrote:
> Paul Vigay wrote:
> > skok wrote:
> > > That does not say much, does it? Basicly, he has reasons for not
> > > updating his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
> >
> > So what? It's his software, and his reasons! End of story really!
>
> This a strange view for a free software advocate (JF) to take, as the
> one of the points of free software is that it is owned by everyone, i.e.
> the Creative Commons.
Except, Justin's software wasn't free - he released his most of his
software under a modified freeware license. You could use download it, you
could play with it but you couldn't redistribute it. That doesn't make his
software free software in the eyes of the GNU definition of 'free
software'. His software therefore definiately isn't owned by everyone.
It's sad to see this being dragged up again.
Hope this helps,
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Tarquin Mills
Peter Naulls wrote:
> Tarquin Mills <email address snipped by me> wrote:
> > Paul Vigay wrote:
> > > skok wrote:
> > > > That does not say much, does it? Basicly, he has reasons for not
> > > > updating his software, but he will not say what those reasons are...
> > > So what? It's his software, and his reasons! End of story really!
> > This a strange view for a free software advocate (JF) to take, as the
> > one of the points of free software is that it is owned by everyone, i.e.
> > the Creative Commons.
> No, this is naive in the extreme. In particular, the software under
> the GPL very much belongs to the copyright holder. Other licences have
> variations on this.
To quote the Anglia Linux User Group the free software movement is
against copyright and the GPL is just an anti-copyright copyright
(quinophex). One of the points of the GPL is that the source code is
freely available and can be modified and redistributed. Justin Fletcher
is not doing this with his software. BTW do not put my email address in
usenet postings as this increases spamming.
Peter Naulls
Tarquin Mills <specc...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Peter Naulls wrote:
> > > This a strange view for a free software advocate (JF) to take, as the
> > > one of the points of free software is that it is owned by everyone, i.e.
> > > the Creative Commons.
> > No, this is naive in the extreme. In particular, the software under
> > the GPL very much belongs to the copyright holder. Other licences have
> > variations on this.
> To quote the Anglia Linux User Group the free software movement is
> against copyright and the GPL is just an anti-copyright copyright
> (quinophex). One of the points of the GPL is that the source code is
> freely available and can be modified and redistributed.
You clearly said "is owned by everyone". This is untrue, and the above
does nothing to deny that.
> Justin Fletcher is not doing this with his software.
And so what? He's never been under any obligation to.
>BTW do not put my email address in
> usenet postings as this increases spamming.
Making accusations against me on usenet makes it somewhat unlikely that
I will go to the effort to honour such things.
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John Pettigrew
> To quote the Anglia Linux User Group the free software movement is against
> copyright and the GPL is just an anti-copyright copyright (quinophex).
Nonsense. The "free software movement" has no single position on copyright.
There are certainly those who are opposed to applying it to software, and use
so-called copyleft agreements or just disclaim any copyrights. However, others
have very strong opinions on copyright - and the GPL is a tool of this arm of
the movement. The GPL assertively retains copyright in the hands of the
original author, but allows full distribution and modification rights under
certain conditions.
> One of the points of the GPL is that the source code is freely available and
> can be modified and redistributed. Justin Fletcher is not doing this with
> his software.
And, if you notice, he didn't release all (any?) of his software under the
GPL. In any case, the GPL places no obligation on the original author to
continue supplying or supporting the code - it merely allows other people to
do so, under certain conditions.
John
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Chris Williams
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Tarquin Mills wrote:
> To quote the Anglia Linux User Group the free software movement is
> against copyright and the GPL is just an anti-copyright copyright
> (quinophex).
I cannot begin to stress how utterly wrong you are. Go read this..
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html
The GPL relies on fundamental copyright law to protect the interests of
the free software developer. There's no anti-copyright to it.
> One of the points of the GPL is that the source code is freely available
> and can be modified and redistributed. Justin Fletcher is not doing this
> with his software.
Again, I cannot stress how amazingly wrong you are. You're supposed to
leave you coat by the door, not facts. The GPLed software Justin played
with (like pico) were distributed with source.
His software otherwise was not distributed under the GPL. At all. He is
under no obligation to release the source to his software or whatever next
you may demand. I know for a fact that Justin respects the GPL and takes
the license seriously when working with software distributed under the
GPL, like all sane people.
Now I hope that helps,
quin...@alug.main.mailing.list
Can I just ask what on earth this conversation is about? It appears that you
are having a discussion about some software and the relevant licenses although
this is not very clear and which forum, newsgroup, mailing list this is that
you are posting in?
I would also like to know the source for your quote from me saying that the
free software movement is against copyright and that the GPL is an
anti-copyright copyright as I feel it may be a comment taken out of context.
This link may be useful also
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#HowIGetCopyright one thing the GPL
preserves is someones copyright, just because something is released as GPL
does not make it "public domain".
May I also point out that Alug is a group of over 200 people not all of whom
will share the same views as me on software copyright and software licenses (or
indeed many other subjecty also). There are many different opinions here, if
you are going to quote me in other forums then do not associate me with being
an official voice of Alug as there is no such thing.
Adam
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> is not doing this with his software. BTW do not put my email address in
> usenet postings as this increases spamming.
Adam
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Here we go.
Stephen Crocker
Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> In message <9ded7d4d.0308...@posting.google.com>
> osamabi...@vgnmail.com (Osama bin Larden) wrote:
> [snip rude bit]
> I am totally (110%) against death threats! Justin Fletcher was given a
> death threat because of his involvement in the ROS5 GPL story. As I
> recall Castle got attacked by Linux users and I am against this too. I
> think Justin Fletcher and Peter Naulls being attacked is a sign of things
> to come. This is in part as a result of the move to free software, in the
> past you could ring technical support, or buy a rival's product, or in
> the last resort go to court. If you want to critise someone, critise
> Norwich PC User Group, the committee are:
I would ask what you are on about, but I suspect that I would have to take
illegal substances to understand.
> I do not like being held to ransom by other programmers, it is time we had
> a new central archive like hensa to stop this happening. I have been
> told that to get the ncurses library that is free, I will have to pay 10
> pounds for a single issue of Foundation RISC User.
I'm sure you have... Who (or what) told you this? And who is holding you
to ransom?
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Ian Molton <sp...@f2s.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 01:22:34 +0100
> druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>> Quoting it again in full after two weeks, cross posting it to two
>> newsgroups, and writing something that does not pass for any known
>> form of English, would suggest two morons.
>
> Druck, are you feeling ok? you seem to be being more harsh than usual.
> It was (AFAIK) a first offense...
"Zero tolerence", One strike and you're out, Might be a good thing for
some people, certainly there are a couple of groups that I sub to that
have recently been 'invaded' by american trolls, where some way of
permanently removing all their net access would prove handy.
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^
Shouldn't that be a capital 'A'?
This isn't being pedantic, but I see it quite a lot and thought maybe I was
the one that's wrong...
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