Virgin Media email settings
Harriet Bazley
responsible for our @blueyonder.co.uk addresses) announcing that "Due to
an upgrade to our email service, you need to make a few small changes to
make sure your email program keeps working." and directing users of
anything other than Outlook Express, Windows Mail or Thunderbird to the
page http://www.virginmedia.com/help/email/emailsettingsmanual.php
Unfortunately the page in question is not particularly clear: it looks
as if they are requesting users to connect on a different port
(currently 25) and to enable SMTP/POP3 authentication, but without
specifying a password. Matters are further complicated in our case by
the fact that we are sending via Hermes SMTP and fetching via AntiSpam
and POP3, and that all our various e-mail addresses are apparently set
up as aliases of the 'main' admin address - or something....
I tried editing "Outgoing mail servers" in Hermes, altering the port
number and trying all my best various guesses as to what the desired
password might be (if you leave the icon blank, it apparently sends
oflas) - namely nothing, a single space, and the POP3 password for the
admin account. It just hung up and failed to connect on any of them.
I can't even see a way of enabling POP3 authentication in
AntiSpam (though I think the same issue may have been discussed on the
mailing list in the past); I tried changing the port from 110 to 995
without altering anything else, and again the program failed to connect.
For the moment restoring all the old settings works, but presumably once
they withdraw support it will no longer do so?
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NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
Harriet Bazley
Harriet Bazley wrote:
> I have just received a warning email from 'Virgin Media' (apparently
> responsible for our @blueyonder.co.uk addresses) announcing that "Due to
> an upgrade to our email service, you need to make a few small changes to
> make sure your email program keeps working." and directing users of
> anything other than Outlook Express, Windows Mail or Thunderbird to the
> page http://www.virginmedia.com/help/email/emailsettingsmanual.php
[snip]
> I tried editing "Outgoing mail servers" in Hermes, altering the port
> number and trying all my best various guesses as to what the desired
> password might be (if you leave the icon blank, it apparently sends
> oflas) - namely nothing, a single space, and the POP3 password for the
> admin account. It just hung up and failed to connect on any of them.
>
Enabling authentication, using the admin POP3 password, but still
connecting on port 25 rather than the requested port 465 appeared to
work, yielding the following result:
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Connecting to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Connected to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 220 asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk ESMTP Mon, 24 May 2010 01:04:49 +0100
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: EHLO amery.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 250-asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk Hello amery.blueyonder.co.uk [82.43.208.59]
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 250-SIZE 31457280
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 250-PIPELINING
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 250 HELP
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: AUTH LOGIN
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: Y3M5OWNqYkBibHVleW9uZGVyLmNvLnVr
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: bGV0aGUxOTgx
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 235 Authentication succeeded
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending message 01:
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] From: harriet...@blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Recipient: harriet...@blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Subject: Re: Test
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: MAIL from:<harriet...@blueyonder.co.uk>
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 250 OK
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: RCPT to:<harriet...@blueyonder.co.uk>
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 250 Accepted
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: DATA
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 354 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by itself
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 250 OK id=1OGLA1-0003aT-VB
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: QUIT
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 221 asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk closing connection
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Messages sent: 1
[24 May 2010 01:07:52] Disconnecting from smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
Using these same details but connecting on port 465 as instructed didn't
work, and I had to quit manuually:
[24 May 2010 01:11:51] Connecting to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 01:11:51] Connected to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 01:12:39] Sending command: QUIT
[24 May 2010 01:12:39] Lost connection to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
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He who falls in love with himself will have no rivals.
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> Unfortunately the page in question is not particularly clear: it looks
> as if they are requesting users to connect on a different port
> (currently 25) and to enable SMTP/POP3 authentication, but without
> specifying a password.
No; you need to specify port 995 for SSL POP3 and provide both a username
value (now the whole email address rather than just the bit to the left of
the at-sign), and the password that you'd normally use.
As a BY user you'd originally have been given an email/user id which was
highly cryptic, eg hb789f0123 and you might previously have used just that
as a username when logging in. If you never defined an alias for that then
your new username would be
hb789f0123 at-sign blueyonder.co.uk
whereas if you have defined one or more aliases (as I think you have) you'd
give:
yourprimaryalias at-sign blueyonder.co.uk
(Addresses spelled out to defeat nasty people...)
> I tried editing "Outgoing mail servers" in Hermes, altering the port
> number and trying all my best various guesses as to what the desired
> password might be (if you leave the icon blank, it apparently sends
> oflas) - namely nothing, a single space, and the POP3 password for the
> admin account. It just hung up and failed to connect on any of them.
For SMTP, the changes I made to Gemini/MessPro were to alter:
smtp.blueyonder.co.uk 25 to: smtp.blueyonder.co.uk 465
SSLencrypt=no SSLencrypt=yes
STARTTLS=greyedout STARTTLS=no (yes does not work)
user=primaryalias user=primar...@blueyonder.co.uk
The SMTP server password value is definitely the same as the POP3 server
password here.
>
> I can't even see a way of enabling POP3 authentication in
> AntiSpam (though I think the same issue may have been discussed on the
> mailing list in the past); I tried changing the port from 110 to 995
> without altering anything else, and again the program failed to connect.
... because you were talking to a different service on the server and it
expected SSL handshaking to take place.
I think Frank de Bruijn's current beta version of AntiSpam is meant to
support SSL POP3. I downloaded it a week or so ago to have a good look at
how it works, in case I have to fit the equivalent code into my own highly
customised versions of AntiSpam. Can't say I'm looking forward to that!
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> Enabling authentication, using the admin POP3 password, but still
> connecting on port 25 rather than the requested port 465 appeared to
> work, yielding the following result:
>
> [24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
- that's the server saying which forms of login it will accept
> [24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 250 HELP
> [24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: AUTH LOGIN
and your client initiating the "AUTH LOGIN" form of login...
> [24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
> [24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: Y3M5OWNqYkBibHVleW9uZGVyLmNvLnVr
> [24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
> [24 May 2010 01:07:52] Sending command: bGV0aGUxOTgx
> [24 May 2010 01:07:52] Receiving response: 235 Authentication succeeded
I think this is an insecure SMTP session being initiated (so on the normal
port), but with a slightly more secure than totally in-clear userid/pswd
process.
SSL SMTP (and POP3), I think, encrypts all the traffic to & from the server,
in the same way that https differs from http.
Harriet Bazley
> Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately the page in question is not particularly clear: it looks
> > as if they are requesting users to connect on a different port
> > (currently 25) and to enable SMTP/POP3 authentication, but without
> > specifying a password.
>
> No; you need to specify port 995 for SSL POP3 and provide both a username
> value (now the whole email address rather than just the bit to the left of
> the at-sign), and the password that you'd normally use.
>
> As a BY user you'd originally have been given an email/user id which was
> highly cryptic, eg hb789f0123 and you might previously have used just that
> as a username when logging in.
Well, the whole thing is complicated by the fact that it wasn't me who
set the whole 'broadband' system up, and I've never until now had
anything to do with it :-(
> If you never defined an alias for that then
> your new username would be
>
> hb789f0123 at-sign blueyonder.co.uk
>
> whereas if you have defined one or more aliases (as I think you have) you'd
> give:
>
> yourprimaryalias at-sign blueyonder.co.uk
>
> (Addresses spelled out to defeat nasty people...)
I did eventually manage to log in to 'Virgin Media Mail' via their
website (clearly being pushed as the web-based service they want us to
use) and discovered three different variants of the admin address
presumably set up by Christopher before he left, one of which was his
name, one of which was his University ID, and one of which (cb003g6436)
was completely obscure. No sign of where the other users' addresses
have been configured though.
So I tried using the cb003g6436 address instead of the University ID
with the POP3 password on port 995, with mixed results: instead of
just hanging up, I now get repeated 'pulsing' attempts from Hermes to
log in, being rejected at each turn...
[24 May 2010 09:23:53] Connecting to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:54] Connected to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:54] Lost connection to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:54] Connecting to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:54] Connected to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:54] Lost connection to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:54] Connecting to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:55] Connected to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:55] Lost connection to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:55] Connecting to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:55] Connected to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:55] Lost connection to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:55] Connecting to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 09:23:56] Disconnecting from smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
etc.
It really doesn't help that I don't know what the primary alias for the
account actually is!
>
>
> > I tried editing "Outgoing mail servers" in Hermes, altering the port
> > number and trying all my best various guesses as to what the desired
> > password might be (if you leave the icon blank, it apparently sends
> > oflas) - namely nothing, a single space, and the POP3 password for the
> > admin account. It just hung up and failed to connect on any of them.
>
> For SMTP, the changes I made to Gemini/MessPro were to alter:
>
> smtp.blueyonder.co.uk 25 to: smtp.blueyonder.co.uk 465
> SSLencrypt=no SSLencrypt=yes
> STARTTLS=greyedout STARTTLS=no (yes does not work)
> user=primaryalias user=primar...@blueyonder.co.uk
>
> The SMTP server password value is definitely the same as the POP3 server
> password here.
Hermes has the options
Name:Virgin Media send
Server:smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
Port:995
Log:3
User:<full e-mail address>
Pwd:<encrypted password>
Type:SMTP
Login:on
Default:on
IPAddr:195.188.53.60
LastResolve:1274123112
>
> >
> > I can't even see a way of enabling POP3 authentication in
> > AntiSpam (though I think the same issue may have been discussed on the
> > mailing list in the past); I tried changing the port from 110 to 995
> > without altering anything else, and again the program failed to connect.
>
> ... because you were talking to a different service on the server and it
> expected SSL handshaking to take place.
>
> I think Frank de Bruijn's current beta version of AntiSpam is meant to
> support SSL POP3. I downloaded it a week or so ago to have a good look at
> how it works, in case I have to fit the equivalent code into my own highly
> customised versions of AntiSpam. Can't say I'm looking forward to that!
>
I seem to be on this January's version, 1.61.4.
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If your feet smell and your nose runs - you're built upside down.
Ian Hamilton
Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip] Email problems
> It really doesn't help that I don't know what the primary alias for the
> account actually is!
[Snip]
You should be able to discover the primary alias here :-
https://ipauth.virginmedia.com/SSO_BLUEYONDER/servlet/StartupServlet
Ian
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> I did eventually manage to log in to 'Virgin Media Mail' via their
> website (clearly being pushed as the web-based service they want us to
> use) and discovered three different variants of the admin address
> presumably set up by Christopher before he left, one of which was his
> name, one of which was his University ID, and one of which (cb003g6436)
> was completely obscure.
The latter is the 'real' name of the account/mailbox.
The 'primary alias' is a user-facing name that a Bazley will have defined at
some point, and is another name for the same thing.
I'm not completely sure how/whether the old mail system differentiated
between additional aliases, mapped onto the same account/mailbox as the
primary one.
Nowadays they probably operate an IMAP server (even if it can be accessed by
POP3) and thus there could be any number of named mailboxes/folders within a
single account, & - I guess - filters to assign incoming mail to particular
folders.
> No sign of where the other users' addresses have been configured though.
>
> So I tried using the cb003g6436 address instead of the University ID
> with the POP3 password on port 995, with mixed results: instead of
> just hanging up, I now get repeated 'pulsing' attempts from Hermes to
> log in, being rejected at each turn...
>
> [24 May 2010 09:23:53] Connecting to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
> [24 May 2010 09:23:54] Connected to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
I'm not surprised. TCP/IP Port 995 is an SSL POP3 service, so there's no
point specifying an SMTP server.
Where you previously defined: pop3.blueyonder.co.uk on port 110
you'd now specify: pop3.blueyonder.co.uk on port 995
The secure SMTP port is not 995, but 465.
Remember that the server name just maps via DNS onto a specific machine or
group of machines which could be running many services. It's the port
number that specifies which service you're trying to talk to.
> It really doesn't help that I don't know what the primary alias for the
> account actually is!
I'm sure there's somewhere on the VM website where if you login with the
cryptic (ie account-name) value there'll be a place to define aliases and an
indicator of which is the primary one.
>
> > For SMTP, the changes I made to Gemini/MessPro were to alter:
> >
> > smtp.blueyonder.co.uk 25 to: smtp.blueyonder.co.uk 465
> > SSLencrypt=no SSLencrypt=yes
> > STARTTLS=greyedout STARTTLS=no (yes does not work)
> > user=primaryalias user=primar...@blueyonder.co.uk
> >
> > The SMTP server password value is definitely the same as the POP3 server
> > password here.
>
> Hermes has the options
>
> Name:Virgin Media send
> Server:smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
> Port:995
WRONG - port 995 generally means SSL POP3
Harriet Bazley
> In article <d2d1571c5...@blueyonder.co.uk>,
> Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [Snip] Email problems
>
> > It really doesn't help that I don't know what the primary alias for the
> > account actually is!
>
> [Snip]
>
> You should be able to discover the primary alias here :-
>
> https://ipauth.virginmedia.com/SSO_BLUEYONDER/servlet/StartupServlet
>
Well, that's funny - it tells me that the 'primary username' for my
address is actually my address....
Perhaps we do actually have five separate addresses all sending via the
same SMTP server: but then how does one select which address/password
to supply for authentication? I suppose any one of them would probably
do.
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Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down.
Harriet Bazley
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
> Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
>
[snip]
> > I tried using the cb003g6436 address instead of the University ID
> > with the POP3 password on port 995, with mixed results: instead of
> > just hanging up, I now get repeated 'pulsing' attempts from Hermes to
> > log in, being rejected at each turn...
> >
> > [24 May 2010 09:23:53] Connecting to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
> > [24 May 2010 09:23:54] Connected to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
>
> I'm not surprised. TCP/IP Port 995 is an SSL POP3 service, so there's no
> point specifying an SMTP server.
>
> Where you previously defined: pop3.blueyonder.co.uk on port 110
> you'd now specify: pop3.blueyonder.co.uk on port 995
>
> The secure SMTP port is not 995, but 465.
Oops - I obviously got the two swapped over at some point... <blush>
Port 465 provides the 'other' behaviour:
[24 May 2010 23:21:15] Connecting to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
[24 May 2010 23:21:15] Connected to smtp.blueyonder.co.uk
and then nothing until it times out.
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Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> Perhaps we do actually have five separate addresses all sending via the
> same SMTP server: but then how does one select which address/password
> to supply for authentication? I suppose any one of them would probably
> do.
It's completely irrelevant what the From: address in an outbound email is.
You don't have (just) 5 addresses sending via the server, you have an
infinite number of addresses doing that. They don't need to have BY or VM
components in them.
All my emails, whether notionally sent with a demon, wingsandbeaks,
virgin.net or blueyonder.co.uk address currently get sent through the VM
SMTP server.
It's just coincidence that VM expect an 'email address' as the 'username'
part of a login sequence. It needs to be the primary alias for your account
with them. You're proving that you're a BY/VM customer, not proving that
the address you give as the username is in any way related to what the mail
headers have in them.
Harriet Bazley
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
> Harriet Bazley <harriet...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps we do actually have five separate addresses all sending via the
> > same SMTP server: but then how does one select which address/password
> > to supply for authentication? I suppose any one of them would probably
> > do.
>
> It's completely irrelevant what the From: address in an outbound email is.
[snip]
> It's just coincidence that VM expect an 'email address' as the 'username'
> part of a login sequence. It needs to be the primary alias for your account
> with them. You're proving that you're a BY/VM customer, not proving that
> the address you give as the username is in any way related to what the mail
> headers have in them.
>
Right; thanks. I probably do need to contact Christopher and
check which one he set up as the 'primary' address then....
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"An American is a man with two arms and four wheels".
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> Right; thanks. I probably do need to contact Christopher and
> check which one he set up as the 'primary' address then....
Ian Hamilton suggested you try:
https://ipauth.virginmedia.com/SSO_BLUEYONDER/servlet/StartupServlet
I just tried that, giving it the cryptic account-name/username value (which
in my case starts "jn" and in yours I think you said it starts "cb"). It
correctly told me the address that I already knew was my primary alias.
druck
[snip]
If you post to more that one newsgroup, please set the follow up header
to the most appropriate group, so posts are not duplicated on both.
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> The impression I get is that you have to log in to the smtp server using
> one of the 5 email addresses you have and the primary alias of the one in
> 5 you choose.
What do you mean by that 'and'? Their instructions say you have to use the
primary alias [there's only one for your account], in full.
I send all my mail at the moment via the VM SMTP server, and it's being done
via the SSL port. Less than 1% of my outbound mail mentions BY in the
headers.
> At At some point in the near future if it hasn't already happened, you
> will *only* be able to send from those addresses.
How do you know?
> If you wish to send email from another email address which is not the same
> as the box address (or its other aliases) then you need to validate that
> email address. Basically, the webmail site allows you to configure a
> source address and lock it to an incoming alias. It then sends a test
> email to your new source address to see if you do actually get emails on
> it.
But I'm not using webmail; I'm just using the server.
Ray Dawson
> Harriet Bazley <baz...@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> Unfortunately the page in question is not particularly clear: it looks
> as if they are requesting users to connect on a different port
> (currently 25) and to enable SMTP/POP3 authentication, but without
> specifying a password.
Have a look on the Virginmedia support forums. There is a wealth of
information for those having problems. I note that some have had to change
their SSL setting temporarily to get things working.
http://community.virginmedia.com/
Cheers,
Ray D
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> Unfortunately, we seem to have a different understanding here.
> IMHO there is one primary alias for each of the 5 mail accounts, hence
> there are 5 primary aliases. To use the smtp server you must log in to the
> server using one of the 5 primary aliases.
I had the impression that those 5 'mail accounts' were named via aliases,
and - of course - only one of the aliases is the primary one.
Have you managed to logon to the smtp server using 5 different combinations
of somethin...@blueyonder.co.uk (or NTL or whatever) and passwords?
[snip]
> I know but that is not the point. The idea is that using VM smtp servers
> it will be impossible to send email from an email address you cannot
> receive the email for. An anti spam measure.
But I /can/ receive mail for these other addresses... I do it by logging
into the POP3 servers of my mail provider (which is not VM except for a tiny
amount of mail that only goes to the primary-alias address and therefore
isn't a problem in this threatened scenario).
I mainly use VM as a connectivity provider.
> I don't know the date of activation but VM were very clear that this was
> their intention. Also, the validation system is in place and I have
> validated many of my 'other' email addresses.
>
> Even if you will never use webmail mail in the future you can only
> validate email addresses using it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob.
Russell Hafter News
<mpro.l34y27...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> > I know but that is not the point. The idea is that
> > using VM smtp servers it will be impossible to send
> > email from an email address you cannot receive the
> > email for. An anti spam measure.
> But I /can/ receive mail for these other addresses... I
> do it by logging into the POP3 servers of my mail
> provider (which is not VM except for a tiny amount of
> mail that only goes to the primary-alias address and
> therefore isn't a problem in this threatened scenario).
> I mainly use VM as a connectivity provider.
Some months ago my ISP suffered a number of outages with its
SMTP server - none for very long, but long enough to be
annoying.
As I have websites hosted by both Orpheus and Purley
Hosting, and e-mail addresses with those sites, plus e-mail
accounts with several other ISPs in the UK and abroad, I
started to investigate logging in to the SMTP servers of
these other ISPs, using ordinary SMTP authentication, which
POPStar 2.06-ds.5 does fine, and AFAIK so do all reasonably
modern versions of Hermes.
A little trial and error showed me which ISPs would let me
use their SMTP servers and which would not. Five of them
allowed me to send e-mail using SMTP authentication (one of
them was even smtp.virgin.net, though it sounds as though
this has now changed. I was somewhat surprised to discover
that this did work, as I had not used the virgin account for
months.)
If you have arrangements with other ISPs I would suggest you
invest a little time in experiments to see which will let
you send e-mail, and then move over to one or other of them.
I keep a link to my POPStar choices file on my desktop,
making it a very simple matter to change SMTP server if I
want or need to.
FWIW, the UK ones that I found I could not use were Orpheus,
which does not seem to do SMTP authentication at all, and,
rather to my surprise, Tiscali, who left a somewhat rude
message in my POPStar log!
I can, and do, send via Purley Hosting, though currently I
am using a German SMTP server run by my German bank.
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> In article <mpro.l34y27...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
> Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
> wrote:
> > Bob Latham <b...@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Have you managed to logon to the smtp server using 5 different
> > combinations of somethin...@blueyonder.co.uk (or NTL or whatever)
> > and passwords?
>
> Two of them yes. One is the primary in the sense of By's original primary
> and a secondary as used by my wife.
>
> The primary account from the BY days means nothing at all to Google.
> Google just provide 5 equal mail accounts.
Ah, I think I assumed Google were only providing the POP3 servers, whereas
when one logged into VM's smtp server to send stuff, they wanted that done
in terms of the account primary alias. Also I've never defined more than
one BY alias, because so much happens elsewhere.
>
> > [snip]
>
> > > I know but that is not the point. The idea is that using VM smtp
> > > servers it will be impossible to send email from an email address you
> > > cannot receive the email for. An anti spam measure.
>
> > But I /can/ receive mail for these other addresses... I do it by
> > logging into the POP3 servers of my mail provider (which is not VM
> > except for a tiny amount of mail that only goes to the primary-alias
> > address and therefore isn't a problem in this threatened scenario).
>
> I'm really struggling to get this across.
>
> There will be no problem picking up your incoming mail from a non BY pop3
> server. The problem comes if you wish to send an email to somewhere with a
> none BY source address via the smtp server at Virgin.
>
> Say you have a pop3 mail box called jer...@fubarfubar.org.uk. You will be
> able to receive mail to this address as before. However, if you wish to
> send an email to me purporting to come from jer...@fubarfubar.org.uk via
> the Virgin/BY smtp server it will have to be validated first as an address
> you receive otherwise the smtp server will bounce it.
Ah...
> You have to validate your extraneous email addresses using webmail. Then
> you may use them as normal.
I suppose one could send all mails 'From: xyz@by', 'Reply-To: really@here'
to get around that but very many people or their email clients might not get
that right.
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> If you have arrangements with other ISPs I would suggest you
> invest a little time in experiments to see which will let
> you send e-mail, and then move over to one or other of them.
Sounds like it. Good post!
Chris F
Ray Dawson <r...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Have a look on the Virginmedia support forums. There is a wealth of
> information for those having problems. I note that some have had to change
> their SSL setting temporarily to get things working.
>
> http://community.virginmedia.com/
I have a website whose address is freespace.virgin.net/c.n.l.f
I haven't touched it for years and now can't find my notes explaining
how I used to connect with Colin Granvilles FTPc.
I've looked at the vm website (above) but it doesn't help - probably
because mine is not on the 'virginmedia' server.
If you can help me with the configuration of FTPc I would be grateful
for I have tried any number of combinations of that which I recall; to
no avail.
ie
Host
Path
User
Password (I know)
Account
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Kevin Wells
Chris F <c.n...@virgin.net> wrote:
[snip]
>I have a website whose address is freespace.virgin.net/c.n.l.f
>
>I haven't touched it for years and now can't find my notes explaining
>how I used to connect with Colin Granvilles FTPc.
>
>I've looked at the vm website (above) but it doesn't help - probably
>because mine is not on the 'virginmedia' server.
>
>If you can help me with the configuration of FTPc I would be grateful
>for I have tried any number of combinations of that which I recall; to
>no avail.
>
>ie
>Host
>Path
>User
>Password (I know)
>Account
>
Try:
Host: freespace.virgin.net/c.n.l.f
Path:
User: Your user name possibly c.n.l.f
Pasword: Your Password
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Chris F
Kevin Wells <kevin...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> [snip]
>
>
> >I have a website whose address is freespace.virgin.net/c.n.l.f
>
> >If you can help me with the configuration of FTPc I would be grateful
>
> >ie
> >Host
> >Path
> >User
> >Password (I know)
> >Account
> >
>
> Try:
>
> Host: freespace.virgin.net/c.n.l.f
> Path:
> User: Your user name possibly c.n.l.f
> Pasword: Your Password
FTPc instantly returns 'Not con' and 'Connection failed'.
If I try freespace.virgin.net FTPc tells me that it is 'busy' and
'connecting' and the sand trickles through the cursor for ever.
I seem to remember that 'upload.virgin.net' was relevant somewhere but
it won't work as 'Host'.
Alex Macfarlane Smith
[snippy]
>
> If I try freespace.virgin.net FTPc tells me that it is 'busy' and
> 'connecting' and the sand trickles through the cursor for ever.
>
> I seem to remember that 'upload.virgin.net' was relevant somewhere but
> it won't work as 'Host'.
>
aardvark@hamster:~$ ftp upload.virgin.net
Connected to upload1-gui.server.virgin.net.
220-
220-#####################################################################
220-
220- Welcome to upload.virgin.net
220-
220-#####################################################################
220-
220-
220 upload1-glfd FTP server ready.
Name (upload.virgin.net:aardvark):
Admittedly that's not !FTPc, but it shows there's something on the other
end.
Alex.
Chris F
> Alex.
Hello Alex,
I never got around to resolving my FTP problem; can't remember why
not.
I still haven't had any connection.
You may recall that FTPc asks for 5 data items namely;
Host
Path
User
Password
Account
From my email address, I guess User = c.n.l.f and I know my Password.
I'm pretty sure 'upload.virgin.net' is relevant but if I write it in
the Host box with 'c.n.l.f' in the Path box, with User (also) as
'c.n.l.f' and my Password which I know, I still get 'Not con' and
'Connection failed'.
I really don't know what is meant by the terms 'Host' or 'Path'.
Oh, ....and a Happy New Year!
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