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Andrew

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Oct 7, 2008, 9:09:16 AM10/7/08
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Is there a way of setting Composition to use PCA tools on the Iyonix?
It reports that dynamic areas need to be set but I can't find an
option to do that.

thanks

Andrew
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Ian Hamilton

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Oct 7, 2008, 9:28:04 AM10/7/08
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In article <9db68aea...@no.reply>,

In !Compo.!Run change 'Set Compo$MemoryManager Auto' to 'Set
Compo$MemoryManager Dynamic'.

Ian

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Andrew

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Oct 7, 2008, 3:48:13 PM10/7/08
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In message <4fea8c01baI...@AAUG.Net>
Ian Hamilton <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:

> In article <9db68aea...@no.reply>,
> Andrew <nu...@email.invalid> wrote:
>> Is there a way of setting Composition to use PCA tools on the Iyonix?
>> It reports that dynamic areas need to be set but I can't find an
>> option to do that.
>
> In !Compo.!Run change 'Set Compo$MemoryManager Auto' to 'Set
> Compo$MemoryManager Dynamic'.
>

Thanks Ian. The !run file recommends against this however and I
thought the wimpslot could be unlimited on RO5 yet when I try to
reserve more than 28MB I can't?

Andrew
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Steve Fryatt

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Oct 7, 2008, 5:10:58 PM10/7/08
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On 7 Oct, Andrew wrote in message
<fd3cafea...@no.reply>:

You probably have Aemulor running in that case: it limits the Wimpslot to
allow 26-bit code to run.

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druck

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Oct 7, 2008, 5:24:16 PM10/7/08
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Get rid of Aemulor out of your boot sequence and only run it when
needed. Otherwise it permanently criples the memory system of RISC OS
5, restricting it to the old 26bit limits.

---druck

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Tim Powys-Lybbe

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Oct 7, 2008, 7:12:20 PM10/7/08
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In message of 7 Oct, Ian Hamilton <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:

> In article <9db68aea...@no.reply>,
> Andrew <nu...@email.invalid> wrote:
> > Is there a way of setting Composition to use PCA tools on the Iyonix?
> > It reports that dynamic areas need to be set but I can't find an
> > option to do that.
>
> In !Compo.!Run change 'Set Compo$MemoryManager Auto' to 'Set
> Compo$MemoryManager Dynamic'.

On my version 1.23b.45 the Run file has this in the comments about the
use of the 'Dynamic' setting:

(always use dynamic areas - not a good idea on RO 5)

But it may be that other versions work differently.

I have always had it set ot 'Auto' on my Iyonix but I do not have the
time for several days now to do any checks on Compo.

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Ian Hamilton

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Oct 8, 2008, 3:31:15 AM10/8/08
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In article <f4ecc1e...@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe

<t...@powys.org> wrote:
> In message of 7 Oct, Ian Hamilton <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:

> > In article <9db68aea...@no.reply>, Andrew <nu...@email.invalid>
> > wrote:
> > > Is there a way of setting Composition to use PCA tools on the
> > > Iyonix? It reports that dynamic areas need to be set but I can't
> > > find an option to do that.
> >
> > In !Compo.!Run change 'Set Compo$MemoryManager Auto' to 'Set
> > Compo$MemoryManager Dynamic'.

> On my version 1.23b.45 the Run file has this in the comments about the
> use of the 'Dynamic' setting:

> (always use dynamic areas - not a good idea on RO 5)

Unless you need PCA.

> But it may be that other versions work differently.

They will be the same.

> I have always had it set ot 'Auto' on my Iyonix but I do not have the
> time for several days now to do any checks on Compo.

If you don't require the PCA functions then 'Auto' should be used.

Andrew

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Oct 8, 2008, 7:06:57 AM10/8/08
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In message <6fd0b6ea...@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

>> Thanks Ian. The !run file recommends against this however and I thought
>> the wimpslot could be unlimited on RO5 yet when I try to reserve more
>> than 28MB I can't?
>
> You probably have Aemulor running in that case: it limits the Wimpslot to
> allow 26-bit code to run.
>

Yes it was running. Now I get an internal error every time a PCA tool
is clicked on. Do you know if they work in RO5?

Andrew
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Ian Hamilton

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Oct 8, 2008, 8:38:02 AM10/8/08
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In article <bc5903eb...@no.reply>, Andrew <nu...@email.invalid>
wrote:

Run !Compo first so that 32bit modules are loaded. The !SPaint PCA tool
appears to work in conjunction with !Compo.

Andrew

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Oct 8, 2008, 6:41:45 PM10/8/08
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In message <4feb0b939cI...@AAUG.Net>
Ian Hamilton <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:

For some reason I can't find Aemulaor despite it being loaded as part
of the Boot sequence - any idea where it gets put during installation,
I've forgotten? All I can find is something in Boot.Choices (a
configuration data file).

Andrew
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druck

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Oct 8, 2008, 7:14:13 PM10/8/08
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On 8 Oct 2008 Andrew <nu...@email.invalid> wrote:
> For some reason I can't find Aemulaor despite it being loaded as part
> of the Boot sequence - any idea where it gets put during installation,
> I've forgotten? All I can find is something in Boot.Choices (a
> configuration data file).

Look at the list !Configure Boot Run. Alternatively use the Filer's
Find to search for !Aemulor anywhere on your disc.

Ian Hamilton

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Oct 9, 2008, 1:30:38 AM10/9/08
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In article <2ff642eb...@no.reply>, Andrew <nu...@email.invalid>

wrote:
> In message <4feb0b939cI...@AAUG.Net> Ian Hamilton
> <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:

> > In article <bc5903eb...@no.reply>, Andrew <nu...@email.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >> In message <6fd0b6ea...@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> Steve
> >> Fryatt <ne...@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

[Snip] Aemulor preventing unlimited WimpSlot

> >> Now I get an internal error every time a PCA
> >> tool is clicked on. Do you know if they work in RO5?

> > Run !Compo first so that 32bit modules are loaded. The !SPaint PCA
> > tool appears to work in conjunction with !Compo.

> For some reason I can't find Aemulor despite it being loaded as part


> of the Boot sequence - any idea where it gets put during installation,
> I've forgotten?

!Boot.Choices.Boot.PreDesk.AemulorPro

Andrew

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Oct 9, 2008, 5:25:37 AM10/9/08
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In message <f6ee45eb...@druck.freeuk.net>
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

> On 8 Oct 2008 Andrew <nu...@email.invalid> wrote:
>> For some reason I can't find Aemulaor despite it being loaded as part
>> of the Boot sequence - any idea where it gets put during installation,
>> I've forgotten? All I can find is something in Boot.Choices (a
>> configuration data file).
>
> Look at the list !Configure Boot Run. Alternatively use the Filer's
> Find to search for !Aemulor anywhere on your disc.
>

I used Find and !Locate but they turned up nothing apart from the
latter in Boot.Configure.

Andrew
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Andrew

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Oct 9, 2008, 5:30:37 AM10/9/08
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In message <4feb681ad9I...@AAUG.Net>
Ian Hamilton <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:

>> >> Now I get an internal error every time a PCA
>> >> tool is clicked on. Do you know if they work in RO5?
>
>> > Run !Compo first so that 32bit modules are loaded. The !SPaint PCA
>> > tool appears to work in conjunction with !Compo.
>
>> For some reason I can't find Aemulor despite it being loaded as part
>> of the Boot sequence - any idea where it gets put during installation,
>> I've forgotten?
>
> !Boot.Choices.Boot.PreDesk.AemulorPro
>

That's found it although having taken it out of pre-desk. I still get
the internal errors with PCA tools. I'm using v1.23c34, which version
are you using?

Andrew
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Ian Hamilton

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Oct 9, 2008, 5:55:24 AM10/9/08
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In article <205e7eeb...@no.reply>, Andrew <nu...@email.invalid>
wrote:

> In message <4feb681ad9I...@AAUG.Net> Ian Hamilton
> <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:

> >> >> Now I get an internal error every time a PCA tool is clicked on.
> >> >> Do you know if they work in RO5?
> >
> >> > Run !Compo first so that 32bit modules are loaded. The !SPaint PCA
> >> > tool appears to work in conjunction with !Compo.

[Snip] Aemulor location

> That's found it although having taken it out of pre-desk. I still get
> the internal errors with PCA tools. I'm using v1.23c34, which version
> are you using?

Version 1.23c39 - http://compo.iconbar.com/compo/update.htm

Andrew

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Oct 9, 2008, 6:16:38 AM10/9/08
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<Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:
>
>> >> >> Now I get an internal error every time a PCA tool is clicked on.
>> >> >> Do you know if they work in RO5?
>> >
>> >> > Run !Compo first so that 32bit modules are loaded. The !SPaint PCA
>> >> > tool appears to work in conjunction with !Compo.
>
> [Snip] Aemulor location
>
>> That's found it although having taken it out of pre-desk. I still get
>> the internal errors with PCA tools. I'm using v1.23c34, which version
>> are you using?
>
> Version 1.23c39 - http://compo.iconbar.com/compo/update.htm
>
Which tools are you using? The only painting tool I have is called
!Painting. Also, are you saying that only one PCA tool works and the
others don't?

Andrew
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Ian Hamilton

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Oct 9, 2008, 6:46:34 AM10/9/08
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In article <949482eb...@no.reply>, Andrew <nu...@email.invalid>
wrote:

!PCAPaint has nine tools, one of which is !Painting. Try :-

http://compo.iconbar.com/pcapaint.htm

They all seem to work, as does !SPaint.

Andrew

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Oct 9, 2008, 6:00:41 PM10/9/08
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In message <4feb847c62I...@AAUG.Net>
Ian Hamilton <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:

Thanks for the link. Those tools all seem to have a different date
stamp to mind (2003 vs. 1999) so it'll be worth trying to see if the
ones i have just don't work on RO5.

Andrew


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David Mc Dowell

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Oct 11, 2008, 12:42:51 PM10/11/08
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In message <4feb8078b2I...@AAUG.Net>
Ian Hamilton <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:

> In article <205e7eeb...@no.reply>, Andrew <nu...@email.invalid>
> wrote:
> > In message <4feb681ad9I...@AAUG.Net> Ian Hamilton
> > <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:
>
> > >> >> Now I get an internal error every time a PCA tool is clicked on.
> > >> >> Do you know if they work in RO5?
> > >
> > >> > Run !Compo first so that 32bit modules are loaded. The !SPaint PCA
> > >> > tool appears to work in conjunction with !Compo.
>
> [Snip] Aemulor location
>
> > That's found it although having taken it out of pre-desk. I still get
> > the internal errors with PCA tools. I'm using v1.23c34, which version
> > are you using?
>
> Version 1.23c39 - http://compo.iconbar.com/compo/update.htm
>

I have never heard of !Spaint PCA tool, I've tried searching for it using
!Searchy and !RiscSearch no joy! - Ian can you give a pointer please!

Regards, David.
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Acorn User since discovering the 'Atom' in 1980
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Ben Shimmin

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Oct 11, 2008, 1:00:09 PM10/11/08
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David Mc Dowell <david.m...@ntlworld.com>:

[...]

> I have never heard of !Spaint PCA tool, I've tried searching for it using
> !Searchy and !RiscSearch no joy! - Ian can you give a pointer please!

Google turned up this:

<URL:http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7320/pca/archives/spaint.zip>

b.

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Ian Hamilton

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Oct 11, 2008, 1:44:22 PM10/11/08
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In article <slrn.2008-10...@cunegonde.bas.me.uk>, Ben Shimmin

<b...@llamaselector.com> wrote:
> David Mc Dowell <david.m...@ntlworld.com>:

> [...]

> > I have never heard of !Spaint PCA tool, I've tried searching for it
> > using !Searchy and !RiscSearch no joy! - Ian can you give a pointer
> > please!

> Google turned up this:

> <URL:http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7320/pca/archives/spaint.zip>

!PCAPaint is much later and more flexible. !SPaint was an early PCA
example.

David Mc Dowell

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Oct 12, 2008, 2:26:22 AM10/12/08
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In message <4fecb2f452I...@AAUG.Net>
Ian Hamilton <Ian.Ha...@AAUG.net> wrote:

> In article <slrn.2008-10...@cunegonde.bas.me.uk>, Ben Shimmin
> <b...@llamaselector.com> wrote:
> > David Mc Dowell <david.m...@ntlworld.com>:
>
> > [...]
>
> > > I have never heard of !Spaint PCA tool, I've tried searching for it
> > > using !Searchy and !RiscSearch no joy! - Ian can you give a pointer
> > > please!
>
> > Google turned up this:
>
> ><URL:http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7320/pca/archives/spaint.zip>
>
> !PCAPaint is much later and more flexible. !SPaint was an early PCA
> example.
>

Thank you both for this, (trust Google!) obtained and installed out of
interest....

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