Where to go?
Alex' A. Interrants
been delivered yet. These circumstances means to me that a new RISC OS
computer isn't serious anymore. A6 seems to be more interested in
producing, creating and showing prototypes instead of finishing und
building machines for the market / customer.
Where to go? A look around in the market is very frustrating: Although
the computers are speeded up like never before the GUIs and software
cannot satisfy myself (whereas RISC OS can): Windows, UNIX, Linux, KDE,
GNOME etc. Just compare the operation of ProCAD+ with ACAD. It's like
the jump from a white cloud into the flickering hell.
I'm still looking for a simple constructed and robust machine with
functional software. I don't need multimedia, multiuser and network
(expect of dial-up for E-mail-account and usenet). I want to run
a native system, not on emulation (because of simplicity and safety).
Any suggestions for an alternative to RISC OS computers in cause that my
current machine will break one day?
A.
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David Holden
On 8-Nov-2008, "Alex' A. Interrants" <ausser...@mail.com> wrote:
> A long time ago I ordered an A9home through a German company. It hasn't
> been delivered yet. These circumstances means to me that a new RISC OS
> computer isn't serious anymore. A6 seems to be more interested in
> producing, creating and showing prototypes instead of finishing und
> building machines for the market / customer.
Why did you order through a German company? You seem to be blaming AD6 for
not delivering when AFAIK the only people who can actually sell you an A9
are CJE and AD6 themselves. Why didn't you order from one of them? Carriage
to Germany for such a small item would hardly have been significant.
It would be interesting to know who the 'German company' blamed when you
complained and why they accepted an order if they weren't able to deliver
since I'm sure if you'd ordered from either of the above you'd have had it
in a few days (no doubt Chris will be able to confirm this).
--
David Holden - APDL - <http://www.apdl.co.uk>
Jess
"Alex' A. Interrants" <ausser...@mail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> Any suggestions for an alternative to RISC OS computers in cause that my
> current machine will break one day?
I would think a kinetic Risc PC would be what would suit you. (Any
Risc PC probably would, but at least you know an original Kinetic
would be relatively new.)
I notice Castle still advertise the A7000+, though I suspect they
don't sell many for home computer use.
As an alternative, hopefully the RISC OS OPEN project will allow some
new options. Perhaps a live CD which boots a PC directly into RISC OS
5 in an emulator?
--
Jess Iyonix
Hotmail is my spam trap use this for reply:
mailto:nos...@jess.itworkshop-nexus.net or
http://jess.itworkshop-nexus.net
Steve Fryatt
<9afefdf...@itworkshop.invalid>:
> In message <c83cdffa4...@chiemgau-net.de>
> "Alex' A. Interrants" <ausser...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > Any suggestions for an alternative to RISC OS computers in cause that
> > my current machine will break one day?
>
> I would think a kinetic Risc PC would be what would suit you. (Any Risc
> PC probably would, but at least you know an original Kinetic would be
> relatively new.)
Why not a second-hand Iyonix?
I'd echo David's questions about who the A9home was bought through,
though.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
Jess (Imhotep)
>
> > In message <c83cdffa4f.nore...@chiemgau-net.de>
> > "Alex' A. Interrants" <ausserstor...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Any suggestions for an alternative to RISC OS computers in cause that
> > > my current machine will break one day?
>
> > I would think a kinetic Risc PC would be what would suit you. (Any Risc
> > PC probably would, but at least you know an original Kinetic would be
> > relatively new.)
> Why not a second-hand Iyonix?
As I understand he is using an A7000 with adjust. In which case I
would think that the enhanced OS is probably more important than the
extra speed.
--
Jess
Alex' A. Interrants
"David Holden" <Spa...@apdl.co.uk> hat geschrieben:
> > A long time ago I ordered an A9home through a German company. It hasn't
> > been delivered yet. These circumstances means to me that a new RISC OS
> > computer isn't serious anymore. A6 seems to be more interested in
> > producing, creating and showing prototypes instead of finishing und
> > building machines for the market / customer.
>
> Why did you order through a German company? You seem to be blaming AD6 for
> not delivering when AFAIK the only people who can actually sell you an A9
> are CJE and AD6 themselves. Why didn't you order from one of them? Carriage
> to Germany for such a small item would hardly have been significant.
I didn't know that. However, I didn't get any answer from these
companies (nor... nor...). The only company who responsed within a day
was rComp (RISCube). I'm not so happy about to have M$-software in the
background.
> It would be interesting to know who the 'German company' blamed when you
> complained and why they accepted an order if they weren't able to deliver
> since I'm sure if you'd ordered from either of the above you'd have had it
> in a few days (no doubt Chris will be able to confirm this).
The German company told me they haven't received a confirmation for
their order yet. It's a shame.
zed
"Alex' A. Interrants" <ausser...@mail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> I'm still looking for a simple constructed and robust machine with
> functional software. I don't need multimedia, multiuser and network
> (expect of dial-up for E-mail-account and usenet). I want to run a native
> system, not on emulation (because of simplicity and safety).
>
> Any suggestions for an alternative to RISC OS computers in cause that my
> current machine will break one day?
I started using Linux about 2 years ago and have settled on LinuxMINT as my
distribution of choice. It is excellent. Easy to install and comes with a
host of programs. I have settled on the following applications for
day-to-day use:
Graphics:
GIMP - image editor (something like PhotoShop)
Inkscape - vector graphics editor (XaraLinux is also available for free.
This is the successor to Artworks on RISC OS for the Windows and Linux
platforms)
QCaD - CAD program
Internet:
Firefox - web browser
Frostwire - similar to Limewire
Gemini - message and newsgroup client (the only program I've purchased,
because I loved Messengerpro on RISC OS)
Pidgin - internet messenger
Skype -VOIP software
Office:
gLabels - for printing and/or designing labels
GnoTime - Time tracking tool
GnuCash - accounting program
GRAMPS - genealogy program
OpenOffice (database, wordprocessor, spreadsheet)
Osmo - Calendar/todo/addressbook
Scribus - desktop publishing
Sound and video:
Brasero -CD/DVD burning
Movie player - play movies/videos etc.
Rhythmbox Music Player
and various accessories.
I've tried running VirtualAcorn using Windows 2000 on VirtualBox but, so
far, without success.
Zed
--
zed
Alex' A. Interrants
"Alex' A. Interrants" <ausser...@mail.com> hat geschrieben:
[snip]
> > It would be interesting to know who the 'German company' blamed when you
> > complained and why they accepted an order if they weren't able to deliver
> > since I'm sure if you'd ordered from either of the above you'd have had it
> > in a few days (no doubt Chris will be able to confirm this).
>
> The German company told me they haven't received a confirmation for
> their order yet. It's a shame.
I don't call the German company here but it is fact that A6 cannot
deliver the A9home yet. In the correspondence with A6 it is obvious that
their business organization is defective. They put off and don't call a
date.
The problem hereby is the trust. By normal customers, the German dealer
would be trampled and have the disadvantage. This is one of the reasons
why it's hard to get acceptance for RISC OS by the world in spite of an
intelligent technology with brilliant ideas a lot of users would like and
prefer.
No good business here.
Alex'
David Holden
On 30-Nov-2008, "Alex' A. Interrants" <ausser...@mail.com> wrote:
> I don't call the German company here but it is fact that A6 cannot
> deliver the A9home yet. In the correspondence with A6 it is obvious that
> their business organization is defective. They put off and don't call a
> date.
Once again I point out that you are asking the wrong questions of the wrong
people. AD6 don't sell the A9 Home to individuals, they only sell to
companies (unless you're a developer, in which case other restrictions
apply). If you want an A9 Home contact CJE.
Dave Higton
"Alex' A. Interrants" <ausser...@mail.com> wrote:
> I don't call the German company here but it is fact that A6 cannot
> deliver the A9home yet. In the correspondence with A6 it is obvious that
> their business organization is defective. They put off and don't call a
> date.
>
> The problem hereby is the trust. By normal customers, the German dealer
> would be trampled and have the disadvantage. This is one of the reasons
> why it's hard to get acceptance for RISC OS by the world in spite of an
> intelligent technology with brilliant ideas a lot of users would like and
> prefer.
As far as I understand it, CJE have exclusive distribution rights
for the A9 Home, so there is no point in asking any other company
to supply it to you.
If that's true, the German dealer has not treated you correctly.
Dave
ch...@cjemicros.co.uk
wrote:
> In der Nachricht <2b3eadff4f.nore...@chiemgau-net.de>
> "Alex' A. Interrants" <ausserstor...@mail.com> hat geschrieben:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > It would be interesting to know who the 'German company' blamed when you
> > > complained and why they accepted an order if they weren't able to deliver
> > > since I'm sure if you'd ordered from either of the above you'd have had it
> > > in a few days (no doubt Chris will be able to confirm this).
>
> > The German company told me they haven't received a confirmation for
> > their order yet. It's a shame.
>
> I don't call the German company here but it is fact that A6 cannot
> deliver the A9home yet. In the correspondence with A6 it is obvious that
> their business organization is defective. They put off and don't call a
> date.
>
> The problem hereby is the trust. By normal customers, the German dealer
> would be trampled and have the disadvantage. This is one of the reasons
> why it's hard to get acceptance for RISC OS by the world in spite of an
> intelligent technology with brilliant ideas a lot of users would like and
> prefer.
>
> No good business here.
Hi Alex, did you get my email?
I've sent a second copy
I'm not subscribed to c.s.a.advocacy so won't see any reply here!
n.b. we only have exclusive distribution rights in the UK but we can
supply anywhere!
Chris Evans CJE Micro's ch...@cjemicros.co.uk
David Pitt
> In der Nachricht <2b3eadff4...@chiemgau-net.de>
> "Alex' A. Interrants" <ausser...@mail.com> hat geschrieben:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > It would be interesting to know who the 'German company' blamed when
> > > you complained and why they accepted an order if they weren't able to
> > > deliver since I'm sure if you'd ordered from either of the above you'd
> > > have had it in a few days (no doubt Chris will be able to confirm
> > > this).
> >
> > The German company told me they haven't received a confirmation for
> > their order yet. It's a shame.
>
> I don't call the German company here but it is fact that A6 cannot deliver
> the A9home yet. In the correspondence with A6 it is obvious that their
> business organization is defective. They put off and don't call a date.
>
> The problem hereby is the trust. By normal customers, the German dealer
> would be trampled and have the disadvantage. This is one of the reasons
> why it's hard to get acceptance for RISC OS by the world in spite of an
> intelligent technology with brilliant ideas a lot of users would like and
> prefer.
The problem Advantage Six has is that the OS for the A9home is unfinished.
This is their responsibility and their's alone, ROL have done their bit, all
32 of them. There is nothing that Adv6 can say, so they don't.
Adv6 may have nothing to sell if the stock is all with the UK supplier.
Given the experience I have had with my A9home it would be utter madness to
have anything to do with one until the OS is finished. To be fair others are
satisfied with theirs. But that is beta for you.
> No good business here.
Indeed not. The A9home is probably a dead duck, a worthwhile attempt that
failed somewhere.
The future is not all bad but it is a virtual future. rpcemu will be a bit
cheaper than an A9home.
--
David Pitt
Rob Kendrick
Paul Vigay <invali...@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> The problem with the A9/Adv6 is that any potential business partners
> have also lost confidence in them.
All of them? How can you possibly know?
> I was looking at some of their concept designs at the last Wakefield
> show with the aim of introducing them to some business partners I
> know, in order to commission some of their computers. However, with
> the experience so far, I don't think any sane business would want to
> enter into a contract with them, based on their current track
> record. :-(
Who's to know who's fault and what cause the delay is? I don't think
there's been any official information either way: it could be entirely
ROL's fault.
B.
VinceH
Paul Vigay <invali...@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <20081201183...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>,
> Rob Kendrick <nn...@rjek.com> wrote:
> > All of them? How can you possibly know?
> OK, so s/any/some/ ;-)
> > Who's to know who's fault and what cause the delay is? I don't
> > think there's been any official information either way: it could
> > be entirely ROL's fault.
> From a business point of view, it doesn't really matter either way.
> The fact is, they can't deliver a product within an acceptable time
> frame. :-(
Or perhaps they can and are doing that, but with other partners
already. Perhaps from /their/ business point of view, the potential
partners you know don't matter.
To put it another way, think back a few days to another thread, where
comments were made about Sorte. If you think about it, then from the
point of view of potential users of that, *you* can't deliver a
product within an acceptable time frame - but the truth is, you're
busy with other products/services which you consider more important.
The same is true of me with WebChange.
--
VinceH
Alex' A. Interrants
David Pitt <ne...@pittdj.co.uk> hat geschrieben:
Using an A9home or an Iyonix PC, old software from the RISC PC have to be
emulated anyway (Aemulator). Also, different versions of RISC OS are
incompatible (!A310).
RISC OS computers were still good as long as the parts were thought
through and came from one manufacturer. Such a way is unfortunately
expensive...
A.
Alex' A. Interrants
Dave Higton <daveh...@dsl.pipex.com> hat geschrieben:
He had treated me (almost) correctly. A6 is not able to deliver.
Rob Kendrick
"Alex' A. Interrants" <ausser...@mail.com> wrote:
> > As far as I understand it, CJE have exclusive distribution rights
> > for the A9 Home, so there is no point in asking any other company
> > to supply it to you.
> >
> > If that's true, the German dealer has not treated you correctly.
>
> He had treated me (almost) correctly. A6 is not able to deliver.
Not able, because they don't deal with the public. As every man and
his dog has suggested, talk to CJE.
B.
Steffen Huber
A dealer is not "the public". Advantage 6 have in the past dealt with
other dealers than CJE; if they stopped doing so, it would be nice
to know.
CJE mostly handles retail sales, Alex went through a German dealer.
I know this dealer, and I know that he always ordered directly from
Advantage 6, because obviously the price is much better than going
through a retailer.
However, from what I have heard from numerous sources, Advantage 6 and
STD are sometimes hard to contact.
Steffen
--
Steffen Huber
hubersn Software - http://www.hubersn-software.com/
Stuart
Steffen Huber <sp...@huber-net.de> wrote:
> However, from what I have heard from numerous sources, Advantage 6 and
> STD are sometimes hard to contact.
Everybody need to note and understand this.
******* CJE have the exclusive rights to the A9 home. **********
I suggest the scenario was like this:
STD had produced a small compact micro, I can't remember what it was
called but I seem to remember it was in an Orange case, for industrial
use. I recall seeing it at The Wakefield show and there was a great deal
of interest shown, with a lot of talk about it being ideal as the basis
for a laptop.
At the time STD were saying that such was not commercially viable but if
"you" were to talk to them, putting a suitable sum of money on the table,
and order a certain number, then some sort of business deal /could/ be
worked out.
I would guess, and it is only a guess, that Chris Evans went along to
Stuart Tyrell and persuaded Stuart to a produce a number for him, aimed at
the domestic market.
I would speculate that something similar would be required to see the new
A9 all in one, which they had on display yesterday, available for us
punters to buy.
--
Stuart Winsor
Don't miss the Risc OS Christmas show
http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/mug/show08/MUGshow.html
Greg
em...@invalid-domain.co.uk says...
> In article <500a0db3...@argonet.co.uk>,
> Stuart <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <6q26l9F...@mid.individual.net>,
> > Steffen Huber <sp...@huber-net.de> wrote:
> > > However, from what I have heard from numerous sources, Advantage 6 and
> > > STD are sometimes hard to contact.
>
> > Everybody need to note and understand this.
>
>
> I tend to agree with Stuart, as that's also my understanding of the
> situation. Perhaps Chris 'we have them in stock' would care to comment?
He aleady has.
He stated that he has exclusive distribution rights for the 'UK'.
Obviously he doesn't want to tread on others toes but he did offer to
help if requested.
--
Greg Harris
Steffen Huber
> In article <6q26l9F...@mid.individual.net>,
> Steffen Huber <sp...@huber-net.de> wrote:
>> However, from what I have heard from numerous sources, Advantage 6 and
>> STD are sometimes hard to contact.
>
> Everybody need to note and understand this.
>
> ******* CJE have the exclusive rights to the A9 home. **********
But it is wrong. Chris has confirmed this in a posting to this
very thread:
"n.b. we only have exclusive distribution rights in the UK"
It can't get much clearer than that. Alex is from Germany. The
involved dealer is from Germany. No UK stuff involved. Come on,
this is not really that hard to get.
Chris Evans
<URL:mailto:Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <6q2olhF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Steffen Huber <sp...@huber-net.de> wrote:
> > Stuart wrote:
> > > In article <6q26l9F...@mid.individual.net>,
> > > Steffen Huber <sp...@huber-net.de> wrote:
> > >> However, from what I have heard from numerous sources, Advantage 6 and
> > >> STD are sometimes hard to contact.
> > >
> > > Everybody need to note and understand this.
> > >
> > > ******* CJE have the exclusive rights to the A9 home. **********
>
> > But it is wrong. Chris has confirmed this in a posting to this
> > very thread:
>
> > "n.b. we only have exclusive distribution rights in the UK"
>
> > It can't get much clearer than that. Alex is from Germany. The
> > involved dealer is from Germany. No UK stuff involved. Come on,
> > this is not really that hard to get.
>
> supply anybody anywhere so all Alex needs to do is get in touch with Chris
> - problem over.
Alex and I have been in contact and there is no supply problem!
As to who made the initial approach for us to distribute the A9home you will
have to read my memoirs;-)
Chris Evans
--
CJE Micro's / 4D 'RISC OS Specialists'
Telephone: 01903 523222 Fax: 01903 523679
ch...@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN11 2EN
The most beautiful thing anyone can wear, is a smile!
David Boddie
> As to who made the initial approach for us to distribute the A9home you
> will have to read my memoirs;-)
Which, of course, you have in stock. ;-)
David