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Output formats compatibility issues : .SPV vs .SPO files

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eyer...@hotmail.com

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Dec 6, 2008, 3:07:27 PM12/6/08
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Hi all,

Just saved an output file with SPSS17 and it seems SPSS continues the
saga of compatibility issues with outputs from previous versions.

What's the deal here ? How can I possibly view my "old" output files
with this 17th version ?

Why is this ? Wasn't the SPO format adequate enough ?

A very annoyed customer

Eric

JKPeck

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Dec 6, 2008, 6:29:18 PM12/6/08
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First, on your installation cd is a Viewer that can read the old spo
format.

Second, starting in v16, the new spv format was introduced. There
were a lot of reasons for ths - the old format really wasn't adequate
and was based on very Microsoft technology (Microsoft compound
document architecture). It had been stretched for 15 years. The new
format is portable across all supported platforms. Unfortunately, it
was not practical to engineer 16 or 17 to read the old spo format.

One of the problems with the spo format was that it was very version
specific. The new format is not. Going forward, apart from new
object types that might be introduced, the format will be much more
compatible between versions.

We're sorry for the inconvenience due to changing the format, but it
will be better for everyone in the long run.

Regards,
Jon Peck

eyer...@hotmail.com

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Dec 11, 2008, 12:22:13 PM12/11/08
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Jon,

Thanx a lot for the comprehensive answer.

We'll get used to it....

Eric

farbs

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Dec 18, 2008, 2:31:53 PM12/18/08
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I have SPSS 16 and need to read documents done in 15. I cannot find
the CD I bought this with. Is there any way i can download this
Viewer? Thanks...

Bruce Weaver

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Dec 18, 2008, 3:29:50 PM12/18/08
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On Dec 18, 2:31 pm, farbs <andrew.farbst...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I have SPSS 16 and need to read documents done in 15.  I cannot find
> the CD I bought this with.  Is there any way i can download this
> Viewer?  Thanks...

Login to the SPSS Technical Support website (login: guest, password:
guest). Then click on Utilities on the left side, and follow the
obvious path to the "Legacy Viewer".

--
Bruce Weaver
bwe...@lakeheadu.ca
http://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/
"When all else fails, RTFM."

mckbill

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Jan 8, 2009, 11:45:35 AM1/8/09
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On Dec 18 2008, 1:31 pm, farbs <andrew.farbst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 6:29 pm, JKPeck <JKP...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 1:07 pm, eyerg...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Hi all,
>
> > > Just saved an output file with SPSS17 and it seems SPSS continues the
> > > saga of compatibility issues with outputs from previous versions.
>
> > > What's the deal here ? How can I possibly view my "old" output files
> > > with this 17thversion?
>
> > > Why is this ? Wasn't theSPOformat adequate enough ?

>
> > > A very annoyed customer
>
> > > Eric
>
> > First, on your installation cd is a Viewer that can read the oldspo
> > format.
>
> > Second, starting in v16, the new spv format was introduced.  There
> > were a lot of reasons for ths - the old format really wasn't adequate
> > and was based on very Microsoft technology (Microsoft compound
> > document architecture).  It had been stretched for 15 years.  The new
> > format is portable across all supported platforms.  Unfortunately, it
> > was not practical to engineer 16 or17to read the oldspoformat.
>
> > One of the problems with thespoformat was that it was veryversion
> > specific.  The new format is not.  Going forward, apart from new
> > object types that might be introduced, the format will be much more
> > compatible between versions.
>
> > We're sorry for the inconvenience due to changing the format, but it
> > will be better for everyone in the long run.
>
> > Regards,
> > Jon Peck
>
> I have SPSS 16 and need to read documents done in 15.  I cannot find
> the CD I bought this with.  Is there any way i can download this
> Viewer?  Thanks...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


My collegues who use SPSS always grit their teeth when we talk about
upgrading, and this is a sad example of why they do so.

Upgrading should be a nice experience, and surprise features like the
NEWER / BETTER spo format should be proudly proclaimed.

That way we know, IN ADVANCE, to get our legacy viewers installed and
ready for a migration period.

Is this the tool?

http://support.spss.com/ProductsExt/SPSS/Documentation/Statistics/LegacyViewer/readme.html


-- Bill

Bruce Weaver

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Jan 8, 2009, 2:24:01 PM1/8/09
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On Jan 8, 11:45 am, mckbill <Bill.McKir...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My collegues who use SPSS always grit their teeth when we talk about
> upgrading, and this is a sad example of why they do so.
>
> Upgrading should be a nice experience, and surprise features like the
> NEWER / BETTER spo format should be proudly proclaimed.
>
> That way we know, IN ADVANCE, to get our legacy viewers installed and
> ready for a migration period.
>
> Is this the tool?
>

> http://support.spss.com/ProductsExt/SPSS/Documentation/Statistics/Leg...
>
> -- Bill

Yes, that's it.

JKPeck

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Jan 8, 2009, 5:37:04 PM1/8/09
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On Jan 8, 12:24 pm, Bruce Weaver <bwea...@lakeheadu.ca> wrote:
> On Jan 8, 11:45 am, mckbill <Bill.McKir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My collegues who use SPSS always grit their teeth when we talk about
> > upgrading, and this is a sad example of why they do so.
>
> > Upgrading should be a nice experience, and surprise features like the
> > NEWER / BETTER spo format should be proudly proclaimed.
>
> > That way we know, IN ADVANCE, to get our legacy viewers installed and
> > ready for a migration period.
>
> > Is this the tool?
>
> >http://support.spss.com/ProductsExt/SPSS/Documentation/Statistics/Leg...
>
> > -- Bill
>
> Yes, that's it.
>
> --
> Bruce Weaver
> bwea...@lakeheadu.cahttp://sites.google.com/a/lakeheadu.ca/bweaver/

> "When all else fails, RTFM."

The Legacy Viewer in on the SPSS installation CD as well.

-Jon Peck

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