need MATLAB 5 serial # or crack to unlock matlab and toolboxes! will give mega trade!
jcci...@syr.edu
Hello,
I need a crack or serial # to unlock matlab 5 and all the toolboxes
that came on the cd. I have the following information from a warez
AVN release:
Installation Notes ......
S/N: 06492-09293-48567-50690-50674
Note: Without keypro, you can only use it for 27 days.
Copy crack file LMGR325A.DLL into \Windows\system.
Anyone know what keypro is or what the dll file does?
This demo licence is says the license will expire in 9 days so please
hurry!
Any help will be greatly rewarded by this poor college student needing
to do homework! Will give you any program dealing with mathematics
(mathematica 3, mathcad 6 pro, maple v iv, statistica, etc) or
programs in general! E-mail me the serial # or crack or post it here!
If your mail bounces, post it here anonymously!
Duane Hanselman
jcci...@syr.edu wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I need a crack or serial # to unlock matlab 5 and all the toolboxes
> that came on the cd. I have the following information from a warez
> AVN release:
> Any help will be greatly rewarded by this poor college student needing
> to do homework!
Why not practice good citizenship and buy a copy of the student edition
of MATLAB. It's reasonably priced, legal, and as Click and Clack say
"Your dipstick won't fall off." Seriously, would you be willing to work
on a project for years then get no compensation for the sale of that
work? Sure the work is just a bunch of ones and zeros on your disk, but
there was one heck of a lot of work put in getting those ones and zeros
into the right order. If that weren't true you wouldn't have such a
yearning for them.
--
Duane Hanselman,Mastering MATLAB:ISBN 0-13-191594-0
Prentice Hall:800-947-7700
http://www.prenhall.com/013/191593/19159-3.html
http://www.mathworks.com/books/general_books.html#five
ftp.eece.maine.edu/pub/mm ftp://ftp.eece.maine.edu/archive/pub/mm
http://www.eece.maine.edu/archive/pub/mm
Terry Frangakis
jcci...@syr.edu wrote in article <5m6ugv$r...@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>...
> Hello,
> I need a crack or serial # to unlock matlab 5 and all the toolboxes
> that came on the cd. I have the following information from a warez
> AVN release:
>
> S/N: 06492-09293-48567-50690-50674
> Note: Without keypro, you can only use it for 27 days.
> Copy crack file LMGR325A.DLL into \Windows\system.
>
> Anyone know what keypro is or what the dll file does?
> This demo licence is says the license will expire in 9 days so please
> hurry!
>
> (mathematica 3, mathcad 6 pro, maple v iv, statistica, etc) or
> programs in general! E-mail me the serial # or crack or post it here!
> If your mail bounces, post it here anonymously!
>
>
Not only is this illegal, but you still have the audacity to post it to
this group! I would not be surprised if the other programs are also
pirated. The purpose of such a demo is that you buy it!!!
Kui-yu Chang
> Why not practice good citizenship and buy a copy of the student edition
> of MATLAB. It's reasonably priced, legal, and as Click and Clack say
> "Your dipstick won't fall off." Seriously, would you be willing to work
> on a project for years then get no compensation for the sale of that
> work? Sure the work is just a bunch of ones and zeros on your disk, but
> there was one heck of a lot of work put in getting those ones and zeros
> into the right order. If that weren't true you wouldn't have such a
> yearning for them.
I salute the following companies for _not_ raping students by charging
student-friendly prices for their _non-crippled_ student/academic
edition software:
Borland
C++ 5.0 $49
Microsoft
Office 97 $135+
Visual Pro C++ 5.0 with NT 4.0 $89+
Visual InterDev 1.0 with NT 4.0 $125+
VisualBasic Pro 5.0 with NT 4.0 $89+
Math Tools http://www.mathtools.com/order.html
Matcom 2.02 $199 (Still a bit steep, following the tradition of
Matlab)
TCI Research http://www.thomson.com/tcisoft/products/swpse25.html
Scientific WorkPlace 2.5 $99
Matlab 5.0 Student Edition($75) is crippled in that it can handle only
16384 elements' matrices(with the advent of data mining, don't argue
that this is enough _for students_). Since it is presumed that the
handicap is there to prevent normal users from abusing the academic
pricing, they might as well sell a 'Crippled Matlab 5.0' for $75 to
_everybody_. What is the point of a student edition if there is no real
discount? To reiterate, you get a discount if you can buy X at a cheaper
price. If you buy a lousier X at a cheaper price, it is not a discount
at all. Of course, if you hold the belief that different versions exist
for different class(rich, poor) people, to each his own, then I rest my
case. Strangely, other companies, as listed above do not cripple their
products targeted at students.
The Academic pricing for the non-crippled version is ~$500, approx.
one-month's part-time salary for a poor student(rich/part-time students
please shut up). To put it in _your_ perspective, will you pay $8000
_out of your own pocket_ for Matlab 5.0 if you make $8000 monthly?
Over the years, knowledgeble companies have come to realized that either
they sell their non-crippled software at a student-friendly (approx
$50-$200) price and get a decent profit or risk getting nothing at all.
Obviously, Math works doesn't care because there is no competition.
Perhaps it is time for some serious thoughts...
Elvis Presley
Terry Frangakis (tfra...@csir.co.za) wrote:
:jcci...@syr.edu wrote in article <5m6ugv$r...@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>...
:> Hello,
:> I need a crack or serial # to unlock matlab 5 and all the toolboxes
:> that came on the cd.
:> Any help will be greatly rewarded by this poor college student needing
:> to do homework! Will give you any program dealing with mathematics
:> (mathematica 3, mathcad 6 pro, maple v iv, statistica, etc) or
:> programs in general! E-mail me the serial # or crack or post it here!
:> If your mail bounces, post it here anonymously!
: Not only is this illegal, but you still have the audacity to post it to
: this group! I would not be surprised if the other programs are also
: pirated. The purpose of such a demo is that you buy it!!!
Well, terry, in a technologically oriented society, is it
illegal to withhold software?
without having access to this stuff when your mind has its greatest
capability to learn, it may be a crime for mathworks to price
poorer students out of the market.
we are living in a peaceful age, so people don't go blow up mathworks
in protest of high prices.
the peaceful alternative is to either do without, or to copy/steal
the software.
obviously, with the current cost of schooling (at least in america), it really
is not feasible for students to pay $500 for a so called *legal* copy.
this week Apple Computer announced a loan program for students.
with american student debt at an all time high, i can't understand
why apple would try to market more debt to students.
there has to be better answers somewhere.
as another poster mentioned, competition usually does this. Corel Office
Pro is now $100 for the student copy. (with no limitations) I remember
the days when Corel Draw alone was $495.00.
When software is affordable, then students may get in the habit of
saving their money, and purchasing the product. As a student,
saving $500.00 for any piece of software is an unreasonable goal.
And, hence, *stealing* it looks like the only alternative.
I only have a 486/33 right now so none of today's software will run
on it! ;-(
Brian Jackel
In article <33944A...@audia.music.nwu.edu> Joe Pompei <pom...@audia.music.nwu.edu> writes:
>And as far as competition goes, Mathworks better watch out - they hardly
>have a total monopoly in mathematical software. A few other pieces of
>software (IDL comes to mind) are nipping at their heels. Overconfidence
>in market share is the best way to doom your company...
Funny, many of us IDL users keep saying things like "better watch out,
or we'll all switch to MatLab". The grass is always greener... :)
Note that the makers of IDL are claiming that a student license will be
available in July at a cost of 79$. There will be pretty significant
restrictions on the array sizes, but the details aren't clear.
Just out of curiosity, what are the restrictions on the student version
of MatLab?
Brian (who's been lurking here for a few months)
.
Marco De la Cruz
Joe Pompei <pom...@audia.music.nwu.edu> writes:
> Charging hundreds of dollars for a semi-usable student version seems
> like a big mistake. The students aren't getting their money's worth,
Hundreds of dollars? I think not, but I agree with
the fact that the student version shouldn't be
crippled (the limitation being set by the student's
hardware. Of course, this leaves the possibility
of abuse, but that's always the case anyway).
Instead of complaining and stealing, it's probably a
better idea to complain and suggest good alternatives.
Octave, RLaB, SciLaB and TELA spring to mind as good
candidates (which are free to boot). If you need better
graphics there are a few free packages which can nicely
be used in tandem with above (e.g. MTV seems nice).
_________________________________
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Paul Skoczylas
Brian Jackel wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity, what are the restrictions on the student version
> of MatLab?
Student version 4: 8192 elements in an array
Student version 5: 16384 elements in an array
no Matlab toolboxes can be used
(other than those supplied with it)
They said that you couldn't use toolboxes with v4, either, but that
wasn't true; it may have been illegal though, and I certainly don't
condone any illegal behaviour. Unfortunately, the way they've done this
in v5 means you can't name an m-file with the same name as any m-file in
any MathWorks toolbox.
-Paul
Perry W. Stout
Kui-yu Chang wrote:
>
> I salute the following companies for _not_ raping students by charging
> student-friendly prices for their _non-crippled_ student/academic
> edition software:
>
> Borland
> C++ 5.0 $49
>
> Microsoft
> Office 97 $135+
> Visual Pro C++ 5.0 with NT 4.0 $89+
> Visual InterDev 1.0 with NT 4.0 $125+
> VisualBasic Pro 5.0 with NT 4.0 $89+
>
> Math Tools http://www.mathtools.com/order.html
> Matcom 2.02 $199 (Still a bit steep, following the tradition of
> Matlab)
>
> _out of your own pocket_ for Matlab 5.0 if you make $8000 monthly?
>
> Over the years, knowledgeble companies have come to realized that either
> they sell their non-crippled software at a student-friendly (approx
> $50-$200) price and get a decent profit or risk getting nothing at all.
>
> Obviously, Math works doesn't care because there is no competition.
> Perhaps it is time for some serious thoughts.. .
I have been reading the pricing debate for some time and I
want to say a few things in the Mathworks defense.
Sure, by some measures Matlab is expensive. New single CPU
licenses for Matlab, Simulink and some other "big
capability" products for Mac and PCs are about $1700. New
Toolbox licenses are about $700. Upgrade prices to new
versions are about 40% of these numbers.
Academic prices are steeply discounted; around $600 for
Matlab and Simulink and $200+ for toolboxes.
So what do you get for your money? Only one of the most
efficient programming and visualization environments
available today. As every single person who reads this
newsgroup knows, Matlab lets us do things we would not even
bother to try in other languages. In addition, we have
access to the best technical support I have ever experienced
for any software or hardware product, bar none. And guess
what? That extremely expensive service is provided
cheerfully, AT NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE TO YOU.
Have you ever called Microsoft to solve a problem with one
of their products? Try it sometime, and compare the
experience to Mathworks tech support.
I have been using Matlab for 6 years and have become pretty
handy with the tool. As a result when I call Mathworks I
tend to ask tough, arcane questions. I haven't always
received an accurate answer on the first call, but I have
always been satisfied in the end.
Matlab is a commercial product. The government did not give
Mathworks a contract to write and distribute the code. The
founders had a good idea, formed a company, and began to
spend God knows how much time, effort and money developing
Matlab 1 with absolutely no guarantee of financial return.
Matlab is their extraordinary intellectual achievement. If
you use the product, Mathworks deserves compensation. After
all, they have to pay off the loans taken out to pay
salaries while your software was being developed.
In the end, you must determine if Matlab is worth the cost
to YOU. If you find the software fairly priced, great. If
you don't, Matlab has plenty of competition, starting with
Matrix-X and ending with paper and calculator.
Happy Computing,
Perry Stout
pws...@pacbell.net
Elvis Presley
Perry W. Stout (pws...@pacbell.net) wrote:
: Have you ever called Microsoft to solve a problem with one
: of their products? Try it sometime, and compare the
: experience to Mathworks tech support.
granted, Microsoft's support isn't free, but it is *very* professional.
as you describe below, Microsoft support is a professional service. As
a MSDN subscriber, I get three calls. That's enough for me.
: Matlab is a commercial product. The government did not give
: Mathworks a contract to write and distribute the code. The
: founders had a good idea, formed a company, and began to
: spend God knows how much time, effort and money developing
: Matlab 1 with absolutely no guarantee of financial return.
: Matlab is their extraordinary intellectual achievement. If
: you use the product, Mathworks deserves compensation. After
: all, they have to pay off the loans taken out to pay
: salaries while your software was being developed.
a lot of the technology in MATLAB isn't the craft of MATLAB. If
you read their m-files, a lot of it comes from published papers.
Mathtools openly admits to using LINPACK code in their product.
The development of this code, as I understand it, was paid for
by the US government.
Additionally, I would suspect that many of the papers which
MATLAB uses to develop their toolboxes are written by faculty
members who are being funded by some form of government.
I'm sure that some would claim that MathWorks is a federally
subsidized business.
Using the logic that MathWorks is a commercial company, then
shouldn't Mathworks pay part of the procedes back to the
University that developed the technology that they used.
(It may be easier just to have an affordable version of MATLAB
for their students)
To claim that MATLAB is the sole *extraodinary intellectual
achievement* of Mathworks is pretty far fetched.
It was mentioned that the Academic price for MATLAB is $600.00.
I know of at least 5 copies of purchased MATLAB. So, the
U of A spends at least $3000.00. I'm sure more departments
and people than I am aware of buy matlab. If each university
spends $3000, then about 1600 sales are needed to bring in $1,000,000.
But, I know that each person that has MATLAB at the U of A also
has *at least* 3 or 4 toolboxes. And, if the students buy
the student version of MATLAB, then...
Mark Patrick Witte
In article <5nc476$j8i$1...@news.ccit.arizona.edu>,
Elvis Presley <mich...@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> wrote:
>Perry W. Stout (pws...@pacbell.net) wrote:
>
>a lot of the technology in MATLAB isn't the craft of MATLAB. If
>you read their m-files, a lot of it comes from published papers.
>
>Mathtools openly admits to using LINPACK code in their product.
>The development of this code, as I understand it, was paid for
>by the US government.
>
>Additionally, I would suspect that many of the papers which
>MATLAB uses to develop their toolboxes are written by faculty
>members who are being funded by some form of government.
>I'm sure that some would claim that MathWorks is a federally
>subsidized business.
Not only that, but to get to work, MathWorks employees
travel on federally subsidized highways and benefit from the
federally subsidized nuclear umbrella that keeps those bloothirsty
Canadians at bay! Finally, the very name of the company derivives
from the word "matrix" and so the company almost certainly benefitted
from the federall subsidized cryptology work during WWII with its
spin offs into matrix algebra. Clearly Matlab should be distributed
for free to the taxpayers of the US.
More seriously, if the Mathworks had had to develop LINPACK,
then it's software would likely be more expensive so the benefit
of the low cost of using LINPACK code is being passed along.
>Using the logic that MathWorks is a commercial company, then
>shouldn't Mathworks pay part of the procedes back to the
>University that developed the technology that they used.
>(It may be easier just to have an affordable version of MATLAB
>for their students)
And shouldn't you be sending part of your salary to every
university that supported research that benefitted you in some
fashion?
>
>To claim that MATLAB is the sole *extraodinary intellectual
>achievement* of Mathworks is pretty far fetched.
>
>It was mentioned that the Academic price for MATLAB is $600.00.
>I know of at least 5 copies of purchased MATLAB. So, the
>U of A spends at least $3000.00. I'm sure more departments
>and people than I am aware of buy matlab. If each university
>spends $3000, then about 1600 sales are needed to bring in $1,000,000.
>But, I know that each person that has MATLAB at the U of A also
>has *at least* 3 or 4 toolboxes. And, if the students buy
>the student version of MATLAB, then...
...then it must be a pretty good product?
Elvis Presley
Mark Patrick Witte (mwi...@merle.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:
: >Additionally, I would suspect that many of the papers which
: >members who are being funded by some form of government.
: >I'm sure that some would claim that MathWorks is a federally
: >subsidized business.
: Not only that, but to get to work, MathWorks employees
: travel on federally subsidized highways and benefit from the
: federally subsidized nuclear umbrella that keeps those bloothirsty
: Canadians at bay! Finally, the very name of the company derivives
: from the word "matrix" and so the company almost certainly benefitted
: from the federall subsidized cryptology work during WWII with its
: spin offs into matrix algebra. Clearly Matlab should be distributed
: for free to the taxpayers of the US.
good points!
but when you don't have $$'s, liberalism like this sounds appealing.
i guess it is the same that I would love a MP2000, but don't have $2,000.
someday,...
Sean Brennan
In a previous article, mwi...@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Patrick Witte) wrote:
<snip>
->federally subsidized nuclear umbrella that keeps those bloothirsty
->Canadians at bay!
Oh God, something new to worry about!
Chad English
Don't worry too much, we have pleanty of "bloo" up here. And some of us
enjoy MATLAB too, even at the current price.
*Note to self: Cancel the attack, they know too much.
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Jason Walter Bold
>value of getting students used to Matlab as soon as possible.
I think they do. That's why most universities have it. However,
Matlab has in the past only run well on mainframe-type machines and
workstations. Likely, running Matlab on a PC for real (read - with
some speed and usefulness) is a pretty recent thing. Most really
intense software doesn't run on a PC. I am speaking of engineering
tools only here, such as Cadence software and lots of board design
and layout packages.
>Charging hundreds of dollars for a semi-usable student version seems
>like a big mistake. The students aren't getting their money's worth,
I agree totally with that. I would NEVER buy cripple-ware. It's stupid.
Besides, most universities have Matlab available for free to the students
anyway. I know UW-Madison does. I bought the full-blown version
at a student rate, which is around $500. Given that price, you'd have
to be an idiot to spend several hundred bucks on a student edition.
Besides, the student edition is totally useless for engineers trying
to do any REAL dsp.
>and Mathworks is doing very little to ensure that their customers remain
>customers. Very few students are buying it, I'd imagine. I'd venture
>to guess it's pirated quite often.
No, ya think so? I'm sure that it is. I know that at least the
toolboxes are public read, so anyone with access to a computer system
could download them for free. Most students probably think "well, I
could use it for free at school, why not at home?"
>And as far as competition goes, Mathworks better watch out - they hardly
>have a total monopoly in mathematical software. A few other pieces of
>software (IDL comes to mind) are nipping at their heels. Overconfidence
>in market share is the best way to doom your company...
Thank God they don't sell operating systems :)
--
Jason - bo...@cae.wisc.edu
Of course I always think my opinion is right! If I didn't, it wouldn't be my
opinion now would it?
=============================================================================
Jason Walter Bold
In article <5n1oap$il2$1...@news.ccit.arizona.edu> mich...@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Elvis Presley) writes:
>When software is affordable, then students may get in the habit of
>saving their money, and purchasing the product. As a student,
>saving $500.00 for any piece of software is an unreasonable goal.
>And, hence, *stealing* it looks like the only alternative.
That is quite true and very unfortunate. I remember back in my
undergrad days that software was handed around as freely as a bag
of potato chips. Actually, people were LESS likely to share their
chips! Unfortunately, with the cost of college nowadays, there is
no alternative except to use the campus's resources. And when they
get busy, with the fierce competiton in colleges nowadays, students
have to get their homework done on time, so what options are there?
Pirate software or don't graduate - easy choice!
No software company would admit this, but I would think they probably
don't really mind students pirating their software. They know damn well
that these students wouldn't purchase their SW if they couldn't pirate
it, so there *really* isn't any income lost. However, once they graduate
and get into the real world, what do you think they are going to buy?
I know lots of people who graduated and then finally got a *legal* copy
of their favorite software, now that they could afford it and because
they wanted things like upgrades and tech support.
Elvis Presley
i think that this is true too. if mathworks, or any other company, sells
their software to students for a fraction of what professionals will
pay, then the students don't get the idea that software costs a lot
to develop and maintain.
it is probably better to have people think that they are copying something
that has a lot of value, versus something that has a little value.
value is such an abstract thing.
: No software company would admit this, but I would think they probably
Jan Houska
Hi,
Jason Walter Bold wrote:
> >Charging hundreds of dollars for a semi-usable student version seems
> >like a big mistake. The students aren't getting their money's worth,
>
> I agree totally with that. I would NEVER buy cripple-ware. It's stupid.
> Besides, most universities have Matlab available for free to the students
> anyway. I know UW-Madison does. I bought the full-blown version
> at a student rate, which is around $500. Given that price, you'd have
> to be an idiot to spend several hundred bucks on a student edition.
> Besides, the student edition is totally useless for engineers trying
> to do any REAL dsp.
But the limited student version is just less than $90, at least here. I
think it must be the same in U.S.
Jan
Jason Walter Bold
>Jason Walter Bold wrote:
>> >Charging hundreds of dollars for a semi-usable student version seems
>> >like a big mistake. The students aren't getting their money's worth,
>> I agree totally with that. I would NEVER buy cripple-ware. It's stupid.
>But the limited student version is just less than $90, at least here. I
>think it must be the same in U.S.
OK, well that's a bit different. People here have been claiming that it
is several hundred dollars. Still... given the limitations of what it
can do, I couldn't even complete the assignments from my classes
because they required much larger arrays (DSP work).
$90 is cheaper, but still, crippleware is a bad idea.
Corey Smart
As I recall, when I purchased my student version last year, the cost was
~$50 for the book alone (which was required for the course) and ~$100 for
the software and book together. Given the choice of fighting for time on
one of the machines at school and working at home (albeit slower and with
some limitations) an extra $50 seemed like a pretty good invesment.
For the few instances where I did need a larger matirx than the student
edition allowed for, it was a matter of writing and testing the program at
home and then changing one (maybe two) variables for a single run at
school. I'm taking the advanced course this September and intend to work
the same way... Running student v4 at home and making the final run on v5
at school. (They just upgraded at school and I'm not going to buy a second
copy of the student version.)
Corey
Jan Houska <hou...@humusoft.cz> wrote in article
<339FAB...@humusoft.cz>...
<snip>
> But the limited student version is just less than $90, at least here. I
> think it must be the same in U.S.
>
> Jan
>
Corey Smart
Corey
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i can't wait for a Java version that allows you to run MATLAB over the
net so you can take advantadge of the licenses that *your* school has
*paid* for.
i like using a modem (unfortunatly slow) with linux. with x-windows, i
can view the plots if i have too. with Java, maybe this will be a thing
to do on a PC.
paying for software that my school paid for doesn't make too much cents. ;-)
Corey Smart (C.S...@NOSPAM.cfer.ualberta.ca) wrote:
: For the few instances where I did need a larger matirx than the student
Paul Skoczylas
Elvis Presley wrote:
>
> paying for software that my school paid for doesn't make too much cents. ;-)
>
Excuse me?
Your school's license is so that its staff and students can run software
on its computers. It doesn't (nor should it) give you the right to run
that software at home. (If you can access it over a modem, great, but
you'd still be running it on their computers.)
Your argument is the same as if I said that my company has paid for
software such as Matlab, so I should be able to take a copy home. It
just doesn't work that way.
Either run Matlab at school, or buy yourself a copy.
-Paul
Elvis Presley
it is fairly standard to install software on a home computer which you
use at work. from what i understand, you buy a *one use* license.
now, if my wife uses the software on my home computer while i am at
work, then i am violating the software license.
if i have a laptop and a desktop, do i have to buy Word for both?
supposedly not if i am the sole user of both. if the laptop is
shared, then there may be an issue.
one of the programs installed at my lab uses a software locking
mechanism with the serial port. so, the person with the parallel port
key is the *only* person that can use the software. this enforces the
*single user* license.
Paul Skoczylas (P.Sko...@cfer.ualberta.ca) wrote:
: Excuse me?
see comment above. i don't understand the difference of using it over
a modem versus on "my machine." if i have permission to run it remotely,
than i would hope that i would have the permission to run it locally.
: Either run Matlab at school, or buy yourself a copy.
why? if my department has paid MATLAB "x" dollars for "x" users, then
why should it matter wether i run it at home or at school. if my
school adds another CPU, this CPU isn't viewed as another computer.
and if my school adds another disk, this disk isn't viewed as another
computer. the term "computer" can be defined as loosely as you wish.
i know several Comp Sci facutly members (who don't use MATLAB), that
use local disk caches. that is, their computers copy an entire program to
their disks if it isn't there. if the disk is getting near full,
then their computers flush out old applications. for example, Linux
can do this.
the only two pieces that need to be fairly static are the way that the file
system looks to the program, and the location of the licensing manager.
so big whooop, the architecture of my computer is different than the
workstations. so i need different binaries. i also need a license
manager. or, my school's library could be given the task to hand out
parallel port keys which would unlock my MATLAB on my home-machine.
i would then return the parallel port lock to the library at an agreed
time. since parallel port locking technology is fairly robust, well
understood, and not costly, i think that this would be a great solution.
while this may not be current practice, these are some of the concerns
i would have when negotiating software licenses.
Hans Olsson
In article <33A699...@cfer.ualberta.ca>,
Paul Skoczylas <P.Sko...@cfer.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>Elvis Presley wrote:
>>
>> paying for software that my school paid for doesn't make too much cents. ;-)
>>
>
>Excuse me?
>
>Your school's license is so that its staff and students can run software
>on its computers. It doesn't (nor should it) give you the right to run
>that software at home. (If you can access it over a modem, great, but
>you'd still be running it on their computers.)
Why shouldn't it?
Our school's license allows students (but not staff) to run Matlab at home.
I think that's a pretty good idea to have a license that allows students
to run Matlab at home, although I'm not sure how much extra it costs.
There is similar deal with Maple (and I understand why the software
distributors wants such licenses).
>Your argument is the same as if I said that my company has paid for
>software such as Matlab, so I should be able to take a copy home. It
>just doesn't work that way.
If your company wants you to work at home then they should provide you
with a legal copy. The same is true for schools.
>Either run Matlab at school, or buy yourself a copy.
Or tell the school that if they want you to solve the excersises at home,
then you need to run Matlab legally at your home.
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Paul Skoczylas
Hans Olsson wrote:
> Why shouldn't it?
>
> Our school's license allows students (but not staff) to run Matlab at home.
> I think that's a pretty good idea to have a license that allows students
> to run Matlab at home, although I'm not sure how much extra it costs.
OK, I didn't mean it shouldn't be included in the license; I meant that
if it's not, you shouldn't expect that it should have been. If the
school has paid so that home-use by students is included in their
license, great. I've never heard of a deal like that before, but it
sure sounds nice.
> Or tell the school that if they want you to solve the excersises at home,
> then you need to run Matlab legally at your home.
If your school has paid lots of good money for a nice computer lab, and
lots more money for nice software, it's not unreasonable for them to
expect you to either use the software at school or buy your own copy of
it. Why should they pay so you can stock your computer with software.
You're at school most days anyway, will it kill you to stay there to do
some of your homework? (That being said, it would be very inconsiderate
of professors to give problems that couldn't be solved using the student
version of Matlab.) I'm sure the school doesn't care _where_ you do
your homework, and they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars so you
would have the ability to it at school.
The bottom line is: don't make illegal copies of the software. (Or at
least don't publically ask for an illegal copy, like the original poster
in this thread...) If your license or your school's license says you
can make copies, great. If it doesn't, too bad. Most schools/companies
don't pay per user, they pay per machine. The department I graduated
from had upwards of 500 staff/students, but only 36 computers. If you
were them, would you pay for 36 copies, or the right to make up to 500
copies? It's not who is using the software, that's included in most
licences, but what computer it's being used on. That's why it's okay to
use a modem to run the software from home, on a school computer, but not
okay to copy it and take it home to run it there, unless that has been
paid for and included in the license.
I'm not saying I've never used any pirated software, but it really
bothers me when people expect things to be free and publically demand
free copies of the software. You can almost always find someone to give
you an illegal copy. If you do this (whether or not you _think_ you
deserve it), just recognize that it should rest on your conscience the
same as it would as if you stole it from a computer store. (And if you
buy one copy of a software package, read the license carefully before
you install it on two computers, even if you'll only ever use one at any
given time--the license may or may not permit it.)
-Paul
Elvis Presley
Paul Skoczylas (P.Sko...@cfer.ualberta.ca) wrote:
: Hans Olsson wrote:
: If your school has paid lots of good money for a nice computer lab, and
: lots more money for nice software, it's not unreasonable for them to
: expect you to either use the software at school or buy your own copy of
: it. Why should they pay so you can stock your computer with software.
some schools have more money than others, and some schools have better
computer maintainence than others. in effect, if you offer to run the
application on your home computer, your school has less wear and tear
on their computers, you do the maintainnence, etc... and, there is no
need to keep the computer-lab staffed 24 hours a day, etc...
: You're at school most days anyway, will it kill you to stay there to do
: some of your homework?
some students, such as myself, are on-again/off-again fulltime students.
it isn't easy to go and work at school. that is why i really like the
solution that the school get a more flexible licensing policy that allows
both on-campus, and off-campus students to take advantadge of the
resources of the school.
: (That being said, it would be very inconsiderate of professors to give
: problems that couldn't be solved using the student version of Matlab.)
: I'm sure the school doesn't care _where_ you do your homework, and they
: spent hundreds of thousands of dollars so you would have the ability to
: it at school.
what about the ambitious student who wants to play around?
: [... stuff deleted ....] That's why it's okay to use a modem to run
: the software from home, on a school computer, but not okay to copy it
: and take it home to run it there, unless that has been paid for and
: included in the license.
well, i did run into some slack running my MATLAB over a modem because
it was a strain on the computer. the phone line was a little lossy and
i guess it required a lot of retransmissions. after a while, the use
of them was discontinued. (it was through the program term)
Jason Walter Bold
In article <5oemfe$nbc$1...@news.ccit.arizona.edu> mich...@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Elvis Presley) writes:
>Paul Skoczylas (P.Sko...@cfer.ualberta.ca) wrote:
>: Hans Olsson wrote:
>
>: (That being said, it would be very inconsiderate of professors to give
>: problems that couldn't be solved using the student version of Matlab.)
I'm sorry, I completely disagree. Try doing any kind of image processing
or anything like that. Engineers use Matlab WAY beyond the student limits,
especially if in DSP.
Jim Tung
Jason Walter Bold <bo...@cae.wisc.edu> wrote:
> Try doing any kind of image processing
> or anything like that. Engineers use Matlab WAY beyond the student
limits,
> especially if in DSP.
When we designed the Student Edition of MATLAB 5, we made sure to talk with
instructors who teach image processing (knowing this area wasn't addressed
by the previous student edition). They felt that handling images up to
128x128 was appropriate; that's what version 5 of the Student Edition
supports.
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Ferd
Jim Tung wrote:
> When we designed the Student Edition of MATLAB 5, we made sure to talk with
> instructors who teach image processing (knowing this area wasn't addressed
> by the previous student edition). They felt that handling images up to
> 128x128 was appropriate; that's what version 5 of the Student Edition
> supports.
And what did you find about an appropriate size of a movie?
My succes on creating a movie is about exp(-inf),
because every time the vectorsize gets too big.
Is there even an example on movies that works?
Ferd.