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ibmi...@hotmail.com

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Feb 21, 2010, 4:23:01 AM2/21/10
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Hi all,

It is just a matter of time before handheld devices like
PDA or Ipod Touch are powerful enough to have Mathematica
ported. I was wondering why not go all the way and produce a
pocket calculator that functions like a mathematica kernel, that
is, without graphic output (for now).

I for one would love to have something a la HP (left- and right-
shift buttons type keyboard, for example) with Mathematica
capacities. We can download packages and run them as we
would in a normal Mathematica session.

>From Wolfram point of view, they will have a rather decent niche
on the calculator market that is hard for anyone to compete. On
the other hand with a pocket calculator, Wolfram doesn't have to
worry about software piracy.

If many of us talk about this may be Wolfram will warm up to
the idea? They can get started in time for my Christmas list
:-)

Comment?

Michuco

dr DanW

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Feb 22, 2010, 3:07:27 AM2/22/10
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How about an iPad front-end app that accesses the Mathematica kernel
on desktop? This lets me take my most powerful tool on the road and
save my back and neck from lugging laptop.

Daniel

Murray Eisenberg

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Feb 22, 2010, 3:08:20 AM2/22/10
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Any guess as to how much RAM the code for a graphics-less kernel might
be? (The code for integration alone must be humungous.)

But would very many people really want a hand-held Mathematica that did
NOT include graphics? For example, one where you could not even do a
simple Plot? And if you say you want that included, then where do you stop?

--
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Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
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University of Massachusetts 413 545-2859 (W)
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Amherst, MA 01003-9305

Uayeb

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Feb 22, 2010, 7:03:48 PM2/22/10
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On Feb 21, 8:23 pm, "ibmich...@hotmail.com" <ibmich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

To a certain extent, doesn't this already exist? Wolfram|Alpha for
iPhone seems to have much of the functionality of Mathematica, and a
slightly different approach which is probably better suited to the
mobile interface.

Now if I could just get over the $50 price tag for what is essentially
a web app, maybe I'd give it a try. Has anyone else played with it?

Andy

Murray Eisenberg

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Feb 22, 2010, 7:03:11 PM2/22/10
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You do know about the iPhone app that gives access to Wolfram|Alpha,
right? This might meet some of your needs.

--

Fred Klingener

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Feb 22, 2010, 7:03:21 PM2/22/10
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On Feb 21, 4:23 am, "ibmich...@hotmail.com" <ibmich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It is just a matter of time before handheld devices like
> PDA or Ipod Touch are powerful enough to have Mathematica
> ported. I was wondering why not go all the way and produce a
> pocket calculator that functions like a mathematica kernel, that
> is, without graphic output (for now).
> ...

On this group, it's hard to find anyone willing to say anything nice
about Wolfram Alpha, and it's even harder to find anyone anywhere
willing to say anything nice about the $50 iPhone/iTouch W|A App
(especially the $50 part), but the combination is now a powerful
technical weapon. A puzzlement.

Just as mysterious is the invisibility (and the continued clumsiness)
of WebMathematica with its facilities for generating server apps
accessible to browsers on handhelds.

I'd have either in a minute if the economy hadn't collapsed and if I
weren't eating cat food.

Meow,
Fred Klingener

John Browne

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Feb 24, 2010, 6:18:44 AM2/24/10
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There is a free App called NTRconnect for the iPhone. With it you can
connect remotely to your desktop at home or work running Mathematica
with all the power of the desktop. The computer screen is duplicated on
the iPhone, and you can do computations, plot graphs, use packages, ...
as you wish. My guess is that this will work on the iPad too.

DrMajorBob

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Feb 24, 2010, 6:20:32 AM2/24/10
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Mmm... tasty!

Bobby

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:03:06 -0600, Mark Westwood
<markc.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cat food, luxury, you lucky Yanks. Over here in 3rd world Scotland
> we're eating the cats.
>
> On Feb 23, 12:03 am, Fred Klingener <gigabitbuc...@BrockEng.com>


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DrMaj...@yahoo.com

ibmi...@hotmail.com

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Feb 24, 2010, 6:21:25 AM2/24/10
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Sigh,

I don't want a copy of Mathematica on a PDA, as I mentioned
at the beginning of the post, much less an app for cloud computing.

I want neither a calculator with augmented reality nor one that
toasts bread. Just a a hand held calculator that gives a quick
check to, say

Cos[t] D[Sin[t]/r D[F[r, t], t], r]

with

(0,1) (1,1)
Sin[t] F [r, t] Sin[t] F [r, t]
Out[1]= Cos[t] (-(-------------------) + -------------------)
2 r
r

regardless if I am online or not.

Cheers,

Michuco

Helen Read

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Feb 25, 2010, 1:52:08 AM2/25/10
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On 2/24/2010 6:21 AM, ibmi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Sigh,
>
> I don't want a copy of Mathematica on a PDA, as I mentioned
> at the beginning of the post, much less an app for cloud computing.
>
> I want neither a calculator with augmented reality nor one that
> toasts bread. Just a a hand held calculator that gives a quick
> check to, say
>
> Cos[t] D[Sin[t]/r D[F[r, t], t], r]
>
> with
>
> (0,1) (1,1)
> Sin[t] F [r, t] Sin[t] F [r, t]
> Out[1]= Cos[t] (-(-------------------) + -------------------)
> 2 r
> r
>
> regardless if I am online or not.

You do know about the TI-89, right? It's a hand-held calculator that
does symbolic computations. I believe the underlying engine is based on
a different CAS (oh, another one that starts with an M), but this is
pretty much transparent to the user.

--
Helen Read
University of Vermont

Hans Michel

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Feb 25, 2010, 1:54:02 AM2/25/10
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If what you are asking for is a Handheld like TI-nspire CAS
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cas.html?bid=5

Or http://www.classpad.org/family.php like items.

WRI would have to or need to get in the hardware business.
It may be easier for WRI to implement standalone PDA app then embed kernel
on a chip and provide OS and interface...

DOS version the mathematica exe was not too big.

Nevertheless, it is a good idea.

Hans

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dr DanW

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Feb 25, 2010, 1:58:42 AM2/25/10
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Murray,
I have the W|A app, but I run a lot of Mathematica that goes beyond
the one-liner. I am not questioning the power of W|A, but it is
limited on the input side. I brought this up because I think there
would be a lot of value in a front-end app for heavy Mathematica users
like myself who need the full notebook interface. I think this would
have been pretty easy before Version 6, but Dynamic may have pushed
the processing requirements for a front end beyond a portable tablet.

Daniel

Jess Porter

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Feb 25, 2010, 7:46:16 AM2/25/10
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Hello All:

These are admiral ideas, and soon to be workable. The Motorola 8,000 series
Chip that powered the original Macintosh Plus and 512 series PCS, is the
same chip the runs the TI-89 Graphing Calculator.

After this email makes the rounds, it sound be forwarded to Wolfram for
feedback.

MARK:

I found it hard to believe, Scotland doesn't have the same technology as the
USA.

Jess

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Mark Westwood <markc.w...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Cat food, luxury, you lucky Yanks. Over here in 3rd world Scotland
> we're eating the cats.
>
> On Feb 23, 12:03 am, Fred Klingener <gigabitbuc...@BrockEng.com>
> wrote:

J. Clarke

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Jun 12, 2010, 5:31:38 AM6/12/10
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The other alternative in a handheld is the HP-48 and its successors. Of
the two, the HP has arguably better performance but the TI seems more
reliable.

There are emulators for both that run on a variety of other handhelds.


Sjoerd C. de Vries

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Jun 13, 2010, 4:09:35 AM6/13/10
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The app is just =801.59. Has been for quite some time.

Cheers -- Sjoerd

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