Default font in Mathematica 9

[Brendan Godfrey]

Mathematica 8 had Times as its default font. Mathematica 9 uses Courier. How do I change it back to Times? Thanks.

[Brendan Godfrey]

Raul,
Thanks for your response. As additional information, the change
occurred in the Output cells. Further, I am using the Creative/Natural
Color stylesheet. Interestingly, I now see that my Output cells were in
Traditional Form but now are in Standard Form. Please share with me any
insights you obtain from Wolfram tech support, and I shall do the same.
Brendan


-----Original Message-----
From: Ra=C3=BAl Mart=C3=ADnez [mailto:rm....@mac.com]
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 7:22 AM
To: Brendan Godfrey
Cc: math...@smc.vnet.net
Subject: Re: Default font in Mathematica 9

I have been trying to figure this out, to no avail. I am annoyed that
my existing notebooks that used the default style sheet had the font
changed from times to courier.

I called wolfram tech support but don't have an answer yet. Meanwhile, I
solved my problem by importing default and core style sheets from a
previous version. It works.

Ra=C3=BAl

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 3, 2012, at 1:02 AM, Brendan Godfrey <brendan...@ieee.org>
wrote:

[David Reiss]

On Dec 3, 4:03 am, Brendan Godfrey <brendan.godf...@ieee.org> wrote:
> Mathematica 8 had Times as its default font. Mathematica 9 uses Courier. How do I change it back to Times? Thanks.

Which default font are you referring to? The font for Text cells?
There are many different fonts depending on which type of cell you are
considering.

One thing that has changed in a significant way in M9 is that the
fonts and styling for the default style sheet Default.nb are very
different than in V8 and all versions before. For example the default
font for Text cells is now Arial rather than Times, and the Section
cells now have a larger font size and are now colored orange rather
than black.

As a general opinion, I feel that this is the wrong design
choice....

Any other opinions out there?

[djmpark]

I suppose you could save a copy, and then modify the Default style sheet.
Then it would look the way you want but if you sent a notebook to someone
else it would look like the Mathematica style.

The Text font is now "Arial". The Section heading font is "Gill Sans".


David Park
djm...@comcast.net
http://home.comcast.net/~djmpark/index.html

[Murray Eisenberg]

On Dec 3, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Brendan Godfrey <brendan...@ieee.org> wrote:

> Mathematica 8 had Times as its default font. Mathematica 9 uses Courier. How do I change it back to Times?

What cell style(s) are you referring to -- Input? Text?

I believe the default for Input cells has remained Courier across several versions, including 9.

At least on Mac, the default for Text cells has indeed changed -- from Times to Arial.

To revert to Mathematica 8's Text default of Times, you'll need to mess with the Default.nb stylesheet, per methods documented elsewhere. Or, better yet, create your own version of that stylesheet.

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Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1020 (H)
University of Massachusetts 413 545-2838 (W)
710 North Pleasant Street fax 413 545-1801
Amherst, MA 01003-9305

[Brendan Godfrey]

Murray,
I am referring to Output cells. I used the Creative/Natural Color
stylesheet (which no longer is accessible from the Mathematica 9 menu, but
does exist among the Mathematica files). Interestingly, I now see that my
Output cells were in Traditional Form but now are in Standard Form. Any
thoughts? Thanks,
Brendan

-----Original Message-----
From: Murray Eisenberg [mailto:mur...@math.umass.edu]
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 10:08 AM
To: mathgroup
Subject: Re: Default font in Mathematica 9

[Raúl Martínez]

I have been trying to figure this out, to no avail. I am annoyed that my existing notebooks that used the default style sheet had the font changed from times to courier.

I called wolfram tech support but don't have an answer yet. Meanwhile, I solved my problem by importing default and core style sheets from a previous version. It works.

Ra=C3=BAl

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 3, 2012, at 1:02 AM, Brendan Godfrey <brendan...@ieee.org> wrote:

> Mathematica 8 had Times as its default font. Mathematica 9 uses Courier. How do I change it back to Times? Thanks.
>

[st...@smc.vnet.net]

On Dec 4, 2012, at 4:09 AM, David Reiss <dbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 3, 4:03 am, Brendan Godfrey <brendan.godf...@ieee.org> wrote:

>> Mathematica 8 had Times as its default font. Mathematica 9 uses
Courier. How do I change it back to Times? Thanks.
>

> Which default font are you referring to? The font for Text cells?
> There are many different fonts depending on which type of cell you are
> considering.
>
> One thing that has changed in a significant way in M9 is that the
> fonts and styling for the default style sheet Default.nb are very
> different than in V8 and all versions before. For example the default
> font for Text cells is now Arial rather than Times, and the Section
> cells now have a larger font size and are now colored orange rather
> than black.
>
> As a general opinion, I feel that this is the wrong design
> choice....

Agreement here!

[Fred Simons]

The new stylesheet default.nb turned up in the last beta release. I was
heavily shocked observing this. All my course material, using the old
default style, now looks terrible. I wrote an angry reaction to wri,
suggesting that at least users should have the choice using the old or
the new default.nb, but never got a response.

Fred

Op 5-12-2012 9:10, st...@smc.vnet.net schreef:

> On Dec 4, 2012, at 4:09 AM, David Reiss <dbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 3, 4:03 am, Brendan Godfrey <brendan.godf...@ieee.org> wrote:

>>> Mathematica 8 had Times as its default font. Mathematica 9 uses
> Courier. How do I change it back to Times? Thanks.

>> Which default font are you referring to? The font for Text cells?
>> There are many different fonts depending on which type of cell you are
>> considering.
>>
>> One thing that has changed in a significant way in M9 is that the
>> fonts and styling for the default style sheet Default.nb are very
>> different than in V8 and all versions before. For example the default
>> font for Text cells is now Arial rather than Times, and the Section
>> cells now have a larger font size and are now colored orange rather
>> than black.
>>
>> As a general opinion, I feel that this is the wrong design
>> choice....
> Agreement here!
>
> ---
> Murray Eisenberg
> mur...@math.umass.edu
> Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
> Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1020 (H)
> University of Massachusetts 413 545-2838 (W)
>
> 710 North Pleasant Street fax 413 545-1801
> Amherst, MA 01003-9305
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[George Woodrow III]

I was poking around in the Package contents (OS X -- I am sure windows has a similar mechanism), and found a file called Default_8.0.nb. I did a diff with the default that shipped with version 8 and found that it was the same.

Perhaps WRI anticipated this issue and included this 'plan b'.

It is also good to learn that Arial made its appearance in the final beta. I was a beta tester and completely missed it.

george

On Dec 6, 2012, at 4:55 AM, Fred Simons <f.h.s...@tue.nl> wrote:

> The new stylesheet default.nb turned up in the last beta release. I was
> heavily shocked observing this. All my course material, using the old
> default style, now looks terrible. I wrote an angry reaction to wri,
> suggesting that at least users should have the choice using the old or
> the new default.nb, but never got a response.
>
> Fred
>
> Op 5-12-2012 9:10, st...@smc.vnet.net schreef:
>> On Dec 4, 2012, at 4:09 AM, David Reiss <dbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 4:03 am, Brendan Godfrey <brendan.godf...@ieee.org> wrote:

>>>> Mathematica 8 had Times as its default font. Mathematica 9 uses
>> Courier. How do I change it back to Times? Thanks.

[Joseph Gwinn]

I had the same experience, and also complained. Unilateral changing of
fonts directly conflicts with Wolfram's stated hope and desire that
Mathematica be used to generate publication-quality documents. My guess
is that Wolfram will sort this problem out.

Joe Gwinn


In article <k9pq33$hmu$1...@smc.vnet.net>, Fred Simons <f.h.s...@tue.nl>
wrote:

[djmpark]

Maybe because in beta testing WRI is less interested in design suggestions
and more interested in whether Mathematica crashes or performs incorrectly
in some manner.

The style sheet changes were gratuitous and unnecessary - although I do
rather like the Arial Text font. Users who design their own style sheets
usually start with the Default style so when WRI changes that they are
affecting a lot of users` custom work.

The problem with style sheets is that everyone has their own taste, which
may be conditioned by what they are used to.

Nevertheless, I would like to suggest a few principles for good style
sheets.

1) There should not be too great a variation in font size between a Title
cell and a Text cell, else the text becomes too small or the title looks
like a billboard. Differences in font style could compensate for smaller
changes in font size. (WRI has a tendency to deemphasize text, either
putting it in a small font or lightening the color.)

2) All fonts should be black. Color coding does not have an intrinsic
meaning to readers. It can serve mainly to differentiate but is not needed
on what is already differentiated. (Tufte's "minimum effective difference".)

3) All Section, Subsection, etc., headers should have group openers. Very
intelligent readers may still not know about double clicking the cell
brackets, which are not even normally visible. The group openers are more
standard and intuitive. They are also an additional indication of a section
in a notebook. But there should not be group openers on Titles, Subtitles
and Subsubtitles or on Input/Output groups. (And I would prefer it if the
Close All Groups menu command operated only on the various Section levels.)

4) Text cells should have the same font size as Output cells. This is the
style in most printed technical material. Output cells should be unadorned
and look like Text cells. Then, if the Input cells are closed, the document
will read like a normal paper.

5) Text cell should allow a line-return without creating a new cell. Then it
is possible to write extended semi-formatted textual discussion. Textual
discussion is often an important element of notebooks, on a par with
Input/Output. Default style behaves correctly here but some styles such as
Journal Article don't.

David Park
djm...@comcast.net
http://home.comcast.net/~djmpark/index.html

[David Reiss]

Default_8.0.nb is what is used when you open a notebook from pre-9
versions which had used Default.nb if you choose to retain the earlier
styles when responding to the dialog that asks you if you wish to do
so. Note that this is asked only if the check box is checked under
Preferences>Interface for the item that says "Ask whether to update
default styling when opening notebooks from previous versions"

--David

On Dec 7, 1:37 am, George Woodrow III <george...@mac.com> wrote:
> I was poking around in the Package contents (OS X -- I am sure windows has a similar mechanism), and found a file called Default_8.0.nb. I did a diff with the default that shipped with version 8 and found that it was the same.
>
> Perhaps WRI anticipated this issue and included this 'plan b'.
>
> It is also good to learn that Arial made its appearance in the final beta. I was a beta tester and completely missed it.
>
> george
>

> On Dec 6, 2012, at 4:55 AM, Fred Simons <f.h.sim...@tue.nl> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The new stylesheet default.nb turned up in the last beta release. I was
> > heavily shocked observing this. All my course material, using the old
> > default style, now looks terrible. I wrote an angry reaction to wri,
> > suggesting that at least users should have the choice using the old or
> > the new default.nb, but never got a response.
>
> > Fred
>

> > Op 5-12-2012 9:10, st...@smc.vnet.net schreef:

> >> On Dec 4, 2012, at 4:09 AM, David Reiss <dbre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 3, 4:03 am, Brendan Godfrey <brendan.godf...@ieee.org> wrote:

> >>>> Mathematica 8 had Times as its default font. Mathematica 9 uses
> >> Courier. How do I change it back to Times? Thanks.

> >>> Which default font are you referring to? The font for Text cells?
> >>> There are many different fonts depending on which type of cell you are
> >>> considering.
>
> >>> One thing that has changed in a significant way in M9 is that the
> >>> fonts and styling for the default style sheet Default.nb are very
> >>> different than in V8 and all versions before. For example the default
> >>> font for Text cells is now Arial rather than Times, and the Section
> >>> cells now have a larger font size and are now colored orange rather
> >>> than black.
>
> >>> As a general opinion, I feel that this is the wrong design
> >>> choice....
> >> Agreement here!
>
> >> ---
> >> Murray Eisenberg
> >> mur...@math.umass.edu
> >> Mathematics & Statistics Dept.

> >> Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1 020 (H)

[Murray Eisenberg]

Good to know that Default_8.0.nb is there. And, also under OS X, I can
use choose it as stylesheet -- although it takes a lot of navigation to
get there.

But how does one add it to the Format > Stylesheet menu list? I uses
File > Install to do so and even restarted Mathematica 9 with a clean
cache (using Shift + Cmd at startup). But Default_8.0 is still not
listed there.

P.S. Docs say you can reset Mathematica's preferences to their default
value by holding down Shift+Ctrl during startup. But under OS X that
doesn't even allow Mathematica to open! It just brings up the context
menu for Mathematica.app.

On Dec 7, 2012, at 1:39 AM, George Woodrow III <geor...@mac.com>

wrote:

> I was poking around in the Package contents (OS X -- I am sure windows
has a similar mechanism), and found a file called Default_8.0.nb. I did
a diff with the default that shipped with version 8 and found that it
was the same.
>
> Perhaps WRI anticipated this issue and included this 'plan b'.
>
> It is also good to learn that Arial made its appearance in the final
beta. I was a beta tester and completely missed it.
>
> george
>

> On Dec 6, 2012, at 4:55 AM, Fred Simons <f.h.s...@tue.nl> wrote:
>
>> The new stylesheet default.nb turned up in the last beta release. I
was
>> heavily shocked observing this. All my course material, using the old

>> default style, now looks terrible. I wrote an angry reaction to wri,

>> suggesting that at least users should have the choice using the old
or
>> the new default.nb, but never got a response.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> Op 5-12-2012 9:10, st...@smc.vnet.net schreef:

>>> On Dec 4, 2012, at 4:09 AM, David Reiss <dbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 3, 4:03 am, Brendan Godfrey <brendan.godf...@ieee.org>
wrote:

>>>>> Mathematica 8 had Times as its default font. Mathematica 9 uses
>>> Courier. How do I change it back to Times? Thanks.

>>>> Which default font are you referring to? The font for Text cells?
>>>> There are many different fonts depending on which type of cell you
are
>>>> considering.
>>>>
>>>> One thing that has changed in a significant way in M9 is that the
>>>> fonts and styling for the default style sheet Default.nb are very
>>>> different than in V8 and all versions before. For example the
default
>>>> font for Text cells is now Arial rather than Times, and the Section
>>>> cells now have a larger font size and are now colored orange rather
>>>> than black.
>>>>
>>>> As a general opinion, I feel that this is the wrong design
>>>> choice....
>>> Agreement here!
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Murray Eisenberg
>>> mur...@math.umass.edu
>>> Mathematics & Statistics Dept.

>>> Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1020 (H)

>>> University of Massachusetts 413
545-2838 (W)
>>>
>>> 710 North Pleasant Street fax 413 545-1801
>>> Amherst, MA 01003-9305
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>

---
Murray Eisenberg
mur...@math.umass.edu
Mathematics & Statistics Dept.

Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1020 (H)

[Murray Eisenberg]

I completely agree with everything you say about style.

Note: You already can insert a line-return in a Text cell without
creating a new cell. However, when you begin a new paragraph within a
Text cell by inserting a blank line, the intervening space is far too
high. To fix that, I use a single line-return and then apply a little
palette whose sole function is to change one of the cell's options to:


ParagraphSpacing -> {0.5, 0}

(The palette is not mine; I forget who suggested it in MathGroup some
time ago.)

> The new stylesheet default.nb turned up in the last beta release. I was
> heavily shocked observing this. All my course material, using the old
> default style, now looks terrible. I wrote an angry reaction to wri,
> suggesting that at least users should have the choice using the old or the
> new default.nb, but never got a response.
>
> Fred
>
>

[Nasser M. Abbasi]

On 12/8/2012 12:29 AM, Murray Eisenberg wrote:
> Good to know that Default_8.0.nb is there. And, also under OS X, I can
> use choose it as stylesheet -- although it takes a lot of navigation to
> get there.
>

Hello;

You'd really have to rename Default_8.0.nb to Default.nb to get
things to work ok. (But you might want to save current Default.nb
to Default_9.0.nb in case you want it later).

Please see

http://mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/15918/how-to-use-version-8-default-nb-style-sheet-in-place-of-version-9-default-nb

--Nasser

[Nasser M. Abbasi]

On 12/8/2012 12:28 AM, David Reiss wrote:
> Default_8.0.nb is what is used when you open a notebook from pre-9
> versions which had used Default.nb if you choose to retain the earlier
> styles when responding to the dialog that asks you if you wish to do
> so.

But even if it asks, it is still wrong to change the default
style sheet this way. I saw this question myself, and I simply
answered 'ok', like I assume everyone would also, because I
thought it is simply asking me to use an updated default style
(meaning bug fixes and so forth), not a DIFFERENT one!

That is the key here. In addition, most users always tend
to click on the 'ok' choice when presented with option not
clear to them during installation or when they see it
first time. They sort of trust the system.

Asking someone if they want to use the `updated` style as
default, before they even seen what the updated style is and
if they would like it, is not right, given that there is
no easy way to go back to the original style other than
having to go rename files on the harddrive with the risk
of deleting something important or breaking something.

--Nasser

[djmpark]

Absolute right Nasser! Informed choice.

A few months ago I updated the Adobe Flash Player with notices of security
updates etc., and there was some obscure choice such as "Install all files".
Besides updating the Flash Player it also installed Google Chrome (with no
chance to intervene) and made it my default browser. So I had to switch back
to IE and uninstall Google Chrome. Next day I could no longer use email
links. I searched the internet and found that this problem was sometimes
caused by uninstalling Google Chrome but I could get a Microsoft app that
fixed the problem - which it did. When I complained to Adobe they said I had
checked the box and it was a free program so they had the right to do that!

WRI isn't anywhere near that bad, but still users should not have a constant
fight to keep their software working the way they want.

One solution to the style sheet problem is to create a MyNameStyleSheet.nb
by modifying the standard supplied Default style sheet and installing it in
your private location

$UserBaseDirectory/SystemFiles/FrontEnd/StyleSheets.

You can also save style sheets where you want using SaveAs, but not Save.
Then modify the style sheet to what you wish.

Then how do you send the notebook to others and employ your private style
sheet? You could send them your style sheet. Otherwise, you have to embed
the style sheet but WRI does not make this completely easy. They should have
a menu command "Embed style sheet". Instead you have to use the "Edit style
sheet..." command and drill backward.

To embed a style sheet with a notebook using MyNameStyleSheet.nb

1) Use Menu -> Format -> Edit Style Sheet... This brings up a Private Style
Definitions of (the notebook).
2) At the top it will say "Inheriting base definitions for stylesheet
"MyNameStyleSheet.nb"" and have a link to it. It would be nice if there was
a method to directly expand that entry into the style sheet and replace the
cell with the inherited definitions from MyNameStyleSheet. Instead, you
have to do it by hand.
3) Click the MyNameStyleSheet.nb link. This will open its style sheet.
4) Select all the cells in MyNameStyleSheet.nb and copy with Ctrl+C.
5) Select the single cell in the notebook style sheet and paste. This embeds
the styles directly in the notebook.
6) Close both style sheets, save the notebook and you are done.

Maybe someone knows an easier method. I'm not certain of the method if you
have several cascade private style sheets.

David Park
djm...@comcast.net
http://home.comcast.net/~djmpark/index.html

From: Nasser M. Abbasi [mailto:n...@12000.org]


On 12/8/2012 12:28 AM, David Reiss wrote:

> Default_8.0.nb is what is used when you open a notebook from pre-9
> versions which had used Default.nb if you choose to retain the earlier
> styles when responding to the dialog that asks you if you wish to do
> so.

[djmpark]

> Default_8.0.nb is what is used when you open a notebook from pre-9
> versions which had used Default.nb if you choose to retain the earlier
> styles when responding to the dialog that asks you if you wish to do
> so.