http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc512587.aspx
Removal tools are no solution to an infection, particularly not with
malware that may download more malware or may give an attacker remote
access. One can never be sure what else was modified on the system and
thus can never be certain that the malware was removed entirely.
cu
59cobalt
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"If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
--Mark Russinovich
59cobalt might sound like a broken record on this issue, but he's
absolutely correct. The only way to be sure the corruption has been
completely removed is to restore from an image prior to the infection or
reformat & reinstall.
59cobalt: I appreciate your faithfulness to repost this response
whenever the issue pops up again. Hopefully, it will start to sink into
people's minds.
>Not everybody is able to reinstall and reformate thier pcs.and
>if someone can do that,is`nt it bothring to to format and reinstall
>windows twice or even thrice a day?
If one would have to do so every day, one is doing something very
wrong.
>huh i had that experience.
well..
>many viruses do corrupt restore point and also make thier backup in drives
>other than windows installation drive
A good reason for not running them in the first place.
>and they infect the fresh
>windows when you reinstall.
That's very rare.
>and other drives contain too much data.
?
>no one loves to formate thier data collected in past months or even i
>past years.
>;)
And that's not necessary unless one is behaving very stupidly.
That's why most of us who know what they're doing try to prevent our
systems from being infected in the first place. Backups and/or system
images take care of the rest.
> huh i had that experience. many viruses do corrupt restore point and
> also make thier backup in drives other than windows installation drive
> and they infect the fresh windows when you reinstall.and other drives
> contain too much data. no one loves to formate thier data collected in
> past months or even i past years.
That doesn't change anything about the fact that reinstalling is the
*only* safe way back to a clean system, unless you can determine
*exactly* when and how an infection occurred and what was altered on the
system afterwards.
>dfinc <dfin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Not everybody is able to reinstall and reformate thier pcs.and
>>if someone can do that,is`nt it bothring to to format and reinstall
>>windows twice or even thrice a day?
>If one would have to do so every day, one is doing something very
>wrong.
>>huh i had that experience.
This is a classic example of someone who should not be using a computer.
>>many viruses do corrupt restore point and also make thier backup in
>>drive sother than windows installation drive
Why are you installing these viruses? Viruses do not magically appear
on your computer. YOU - the person using the computer are the one
installing them. You can avoid the virus problem by not installing them.
Why don't you try that?
>>no one loves to formate thier data collected in past months or even i
>>past years.
>And that's not necessary unless one is behaving very stupidly.
If it hurts when you put your hand in a fire - maybe it would be a
good idea not to put your hand in the fire.
Old guy
>>Why are you installing these viruses? Viruses do not magically appear
on your computer. YOU - the person using the computer are the one
installing them. You can avoid the virus problem by not installing
them.
Why don't you try that?.
Most spywares and trojans or viruses get installed on your pc
automatically, ivisibly, when people visit a bad site that contains
virus, i.e. hacking site, wares sites, porn sites etc. you advised to
try to not install viruses so this means not to go to those websites.
but a huge community loves these site, they cant stop surfing these
sites
No. It means to work as a non-privileged user, and to allow active
content in web pages only when there's a good reason for doing so.
Go away and don't come back until you have at least some basic
understanding of how computer security can actually be achieved.
Others think, that a discussion can lead to a better understanding.
Yours,
VB.
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Ceci n’est pas une pipe: |
Discussions usually are only worthwhile when the parties involved are
willing to expand their knowledge/understanding. dfinc has demonstrated
several times that this doesn't apply to him.
Plus, his postings are still WAY off-topic in this group.
NOTE: Posting from groups.google.com (or some web-forums) dramatically
reduces the chance of your post being seen. Find a real news server.
>Well Mr. old Guy
>> Why are you installing these viruses? Viruses do not magically
>> appear on your computer. YOU - the person using the computer are
>> the one installing them. You can avoid the virus problem by not
>> installing them. Why don't you try that?.
>Most spywares and trojans or viruses get installed on your pc
>automatically, ivisibly,
No - fools enable the "Take Over My Computer" button because clicking
OK is to hard, or are clicking OK for everything. They are to busy
clicking OK, trying to get quickly to the pictures of the naked cow
or pig, that they don't want to read "Clicking OK here will install
the latest virus, trojan AND spyware [OK]" message.
Don't install everything, and don't click OK on every icon you see.
It's amazing how few virus/trojans you will then find on your computer.
>when people visit a bad site that contains virus, i.e. hacking site,
Why do you need to visit hacking sites? I find it very funny when
clueless think they need hacking tools, but don't know what is in the
tool, and what it is _actually_ doing (not what it was advertised to
do). Installing such tools makes them the victims, and the real
hackers are laughing at the fools who imagine this makes them hackers.
>wares sites,
Why do you need to visit warez sites? I also find it very funny to
hear about people installing anti-mal-ware warez (that actually is
installing other mal-ware) in an attempt to remove the mal-ware they
got at a warez site.
>porn sites
Eventually you will discover that real live members of the appropriate
sex that you can touch (and can touch you) are a lot more interesting
and fun than pictures of people on a computer screen. But there are
a few people who are so ugly, or so stupid, the picture on the computer
is all they're ever going to see.
>you advised to try to not install viruses so this means not to go to
>those websites. but a huge community loves these site, they cant stop
>surfing these sites
Just because a lot of people are stupid idiots - does that mean you
have to be one as well?
Old guy
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http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc512587.aspx
Removal tools (or instructions for manual removal) are no solution to an
infection, particularly not with malware that may download more malware
or may give an attacker remote access. One can never be sure what else
was modified on the system and thus can never be certain that the
malware was removed entirely.
cu
59cobalt
--
"All vulnerabilities deserve a public fear period prior to patches
becoming available."
--Jason Coombs on Bugtraq
> Manual removal dose work
> http://techvts.com/security/personal-antivirus-personalav-manual-removal-guide-and-tools/
uh, do you mean that you really need a manual to guide you on
how to get you dose while working your personal tool <~g?
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. The problem (which obviosly
still eludes your grasp) is that you can't distinguish the cases where
it does from those where it doesn't. Meaning that your only safe way
back to a clean system is to flatten and rebuild.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc512587.aspx