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Steven Frankel

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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I need a RF serial transmitter. Range doesn't matter too much (as long as
it's not 2 ft.). Price is very important. Any recommendations?

David Too

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Sep 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/24/00
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www.flcmicro.com - TRX2205
4kbits/sec to 64kbits/sec up to 20metres (over 50ft).

(Not affiliated, just a happy "customer")

David.

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David Too

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Sep 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/24/00
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Oops, sorry, you said transmitter (so I assume you only want one-way comms).

Check out http://www.computronics.com.au/misc/t-r_pair.html

Transmitter and receiver are available for separate purchase. I know this
is Australian stuff, but with the current Ozzie dollar crisis, if your'e in
US you should be able to get them for a steal!

FLCmicro stuff is a transceiver (two-way comms).

David.

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Steven Frankel

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Sep 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/24/00
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Hmm, that looks ok, anything with a longer range though? Say.. 100-200 ft.
plus?
thanks
Steven Frankel

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Stuart Leslie

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Sep 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/24/00
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I just got a pair of Ming Microsystems transmitter and receiver boards (RE-99
and TX-99). They are about $10 apiece at Digikey and run at 300Mhz. I have just
started using them by connecting directly to microcontroller (AVR's) TX and RX
pins and have no trouble at 1200 bps traveling a hundred feet or so around my
house(could be further but thats as far as I went). They claim 1200 bps and a
range of 300 feet. They were very easy to hook up and don't require any other
components. Some of the tests I have done indicate they may get 2400 bps or
better but it's still early to tell. If you find something cheaper/better let me
know.

Stuart Leslie

William Pollock

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Sep 26, 2000, 12:24:54 AM9/26/00
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"Stuart Leslie" <sle...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> I just got a pair of Ming Microsystems transmitter and receiver boards
(RE-99
> and TX-99). They are about $10 apiece at Digikey and run at 300Mhz. I have
just
> started using them by connecting directly to microcontroller (AVR's) TX
and RX
> pins and have no trouble at 1200 bps traveling a hundred feet or so around
my
> house(could be further but thats as far as I went). They claim 1200 bps
and a
> range of 300 feet. They were very easy to hook up and don't require any
other
> components. Some of the tests I have done indicate they may get 2400 bps
or
> better but it's still early to tell. If you find something cheaper/better
let me
> know.
>
> Stuart Leslie
>
Stuart, I'm interested in setting up a wireless link. If you wouldn't mind,
did these boards require any additional components, or are they all that one
would need to do this.

Thanks in advance, Will Pollock

Steven Frankel

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Sep 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/26/00
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Go to www.rfdigital.com, check out the Linx modules, they just need a power
supply and antenna.
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David Too

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Sep 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/26/00
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Note that the ranges quoted on these items are in meters (so 25m is about 75
feet). Also, note that these are quoted with 1foot wire antenna. This is
generally to stay within allowable radiation levels to stay in a class
license band.

However, you can trade of directionality and gain, in other words if you
don't need omnidirectional, but you are doing point to point (or even omni
one way and point another), you can get the gain up using a directional
antenna etc.

But even sticking to omni directional, with a proper 1/2 wave dipole
antenna, you'd probably double the range without any hassles....

Experimentation is the key here.

D.

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Stuart Leslie

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Sep 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/26/00
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William,

The transmitter requires nothing. Just a 3 pin connector to VCC, Ground
and data pin. The receiver is same but they recommend adding a 1/4 wave
antenna (short piece of hookup wire) but it seems to work fine without
it at shorter distances. The transmitter can have an antenna added if
you need, but it comes with a loop on the PC board that does the trick
for most applications. No components required though.

-Stuart Leslie

William Pollock

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"Stuart Leslie" <s...@4sightinc.com> wrote in message
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> William,
>
> The transmitter requires nothing. Just a 3 pin connector to VCC, Ground
> and data pin. The receiver is same but they recommend adding a 1/4 wave
> antenna (short piece of hookup wire) but it seems to work fine without
> it at shorter distances. The transmitter can have an antenna added if
> you need, but it comes with a loop on the PC board that does the trick
> for most applications. No components required though.
>
> -Stuart Leslie
>
Stuart ,
Thanks so much for your help I'll be ordering those boards this evening.
Look forward to getting up and running.

Cheers,
Will Pollock

Steven Frankel

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Sep 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/27/00
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I just saw some boards in a Ramsey Electronics catalog: The RXD-433 is
$21.95 and is a receiver with a decoder, the TXE-433 is $19.95 and is a
transmitter with encoder. They also have the same ones without the
encoder/decoders: RX-433 for $16.95 and TX-433 for $14.95. I couldn't find
the boards on their website though.

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ring...@my-deja.com

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Sep 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/27/00
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What is the range and max baud rate for teh Ramsey radios?
Ringo

In article <z_lA5.16013$u6.6...@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>,


"Steven Frankel" <TSFr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I just saw some boards in a Ramsey Electronics catalog: The RXD-
433 is
> $21.95 and is a receiver with a decoder, the TXE-433 is $19.95 and is
a
> transmitter with encoder. They also have the same ones without the
> encoder/decoders: RX-433 for $16.95 and TX-433 for $14.95. I couldn't
find
> the boards on their website though.
> "William Pollock" <cry...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >


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Steven Frankel

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Sep 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/27/00
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I don't know about the baud rate, but the range is 600 ft.
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> What is the range and max baud rate for teh Ramsey radios?
> Ringo
>
>
>
> In article <z_lA5.16013$u6.6...@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>,
> "Steven Frankel" <TSFr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I just saw some boards in a Ramsey Electronics catalog: The RXD-
> 433 is
> > $21.95 and is a receiver with a decoder, the TXE-433 is $19.95 and is
> a
> > transmitter with encoder. They also have the same ones without the
> > encoder/decoders: RX-433 for $16.95 and TX-433 for $14.95. I couldn't
> find
> > the boards on their website though.
> > "William Pollock" <cry...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:1geA5.940$WD4....@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > >

Stuart Leslie

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Sep 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/27/00
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Your welcome, have fun.
For what it's worth, I just got mine working at 2400 baud and traveled from the
attic to the bottom floor and then outside my house in the yard with the data
coming through consistently throughout the trip. I am impressed with these
things (TX-99 RX-99)! I have each connected to an AT90S2313 (AVR) and am using
BascomAVR to write the code.

Stuart Leslie

Mariusz Zaczek

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Sep 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/28/00
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www.linxtechnologies.com/f_modules.html has
great simple RF transmitter and receivers ... for under $30 each.

They are very very simple to use!!

Mario

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Steven LaPha Jr.

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Sep 28, 2000, 11:15:29 PM9/28/00
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Has anyone looked at the chips at Maxim-ic.com?
They have a product line of RF trancievers mostly 900 MHz. I was wondering if
these could be used like the daughter cards (with some additions of course like
capacitors and stuff) they include a data sheet.
I'm new to all this RF stuff but would like to use something like the LINX
chips. Basically looking at my options to see what's available. Linx has a
data sheet on hot to easily connect it with a RS232 interface I believe with
like no extra equipment, except an antenna maybe.

If anyone has any more info on those maxim chips let me know, thanks.

Steven LaPha Jr.

Steven Frankel

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Sep 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/29/00
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If you buy them from linx, you have to get the eval boards on your first
order. You can also get the Linx modules at www.rfdigital.com.
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Mike Rosing

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Sep 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/29/00
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Unless you're an RF engineer, don't buy chips! frequencies above 100MHz
require a lot of black magic, in board layout, in parts selection and in
soldering technique. Get the eval boards instead, these have all the
basic problems solved to make the chips work well.

Maxim parts are aimed at cell phone applications. I haven't looked at the
LINX chips. If you can get an eval board, and all you have to do is attach
a signal, it might be a far simpler way to go.

good luck!

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

Gerry Schneider

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Sep 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/29/00
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Mike Rosing wrote:

> Unless you're an RF engineer, don't buy chips! frequencies above 100MHz
> require a lot of black magic, in board layout, in parts selection and in
> soldering technique. Get the eval boards instead, these have all the
> basic problems solved to make the chips work well.
>
> Maxim parts are aimed at cell phone applications. I haven't looked at the
> LINX chips. If you can get an eval board, and all you have to do is attach
> a signal, it might be a far simpler way to go.
>

Good point about the eval boards. Linx makes you buy a Tx and Rx eval board set
before they'll sell you the "chips" (actually fully functional tiny modules). As an
old RF engineer, I first sneered, figuring it was just another way to make a quick
buck, but after about the 3rd mysterious problem was solved by referring back to the
boards, I completely changed my mind. Definitely good to have a known working system
when you're messing around. BTW, the Linx boards come with Holtek encoders,
professional antennas, a regulated battery power supply, and a breadboard section -
high quality and well worth the money.

Gerry


Mariusz Zaczek

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Oct 9, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/9/00
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Yes, Lynx does make you buy the boards which is unfortunate.
But if you buy just the chips from the place mentioned in
a previous posting you can do well without the boards.

I had no problem in using just the chips....I was sending
serial data to one pin of the transmitter and was able to receive the same
data on the receiver. Granted distance was significantly less then
what they said it would be....but I did nothing special. Considering
I'm not an electrical engineer rather only a astronautical engineer
I thought it was still easy.

One thing I do suggest though is to have error checking. I used
my chips to make an RC car controller and I used simple checksum
error checking...ie. I calculated the checksum of the bytes of
data I was to send and then I sent the data and the checksum byte
together....the receiver would then use the checksum it received
to double check the data. You can see my code (assembly) at this
page:

http://atlantis.aae.uiuc.edu/~astro/2000_eoh_car_project.html

Mario

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