How to add fonts to QuarkXpress?
Henrik
Just wondering how to add more fonts to QXpress 4. Can't seem to see where
the fonts are located
using win2K.
Thanks
Henrik
Del Tree
<ti...@iinet.net.au> writes
>Hi guys,
>
>Just wondering how to add more fonts to QXpress 4. Can't seem to see where
>the fonts are located
>using win2K.
Oh dearie me. One is tempted to a facetious reply but I will force
myself to resist it...
You cannot "add fonts" to Quark or any other page layout application. It
simply does not work like that, either on PC's or Macs. You add fonts to
the OS font folder or to a font-managing utility like Adobe Type Manager
or Suitcase. On PC's running Windoze 9x *all* the installed fonts are
located in a folder called (surprisingly) fonts which is located in the
Windows folder. You access this folder through the "Control Panel"
utility. Once there you can add and remove fonts.
The situation in Windows 2000 may be slightly different inasmuch as it
now handles both True Type (Windoze native font file format) and Type 1
Postscript fonts, but I very much doubt if the "font" folder has been
removed from the OS in favour of something called "my stuff". Those who
are using Win2K (the brave and the foolish) will, I'm sure point you in
the right direction.
The only exception to this on Windoze PC's is if a font manager like
Adobe Type Manager is being used. In that event *it* manages the fonts
on the PC which is why it is called a "font manager".
One really does have to ask the question that if your knowledge of your
computer's operating system is this limited should you really be using
Quark at all?
--
Del Tree
Rod Hewitt
folder views to show hidden fonts.
Are you talking Type 1 or TTF?
Rod
Del Tree
<ti...@iinet.net.au> writes
>Thanks Del Tree,
>
>The reason why I asked this is that I have fonts in my fonts folder in
>\winnt\ (FYI is the same in win2k)
>I am looking for Helvetica which is present in Photoshop but it is not
>available in QuarkXpress
>
>No, I can't find it in the font folder, nevertheless it is present in
>Photoshop!
Photoshop 5 or 5.5 presumably?
We have them, but still use 4.01 :-)
However, I think I'm right in saying that 5 and 5.5 both install loads
of fonts (unless you specify otherwise by electing to do a custom
install) and they probably put them somewhere other than the default
Windows font folder. That would mean they were only available to the
application that installed them (in this case - Photoshop). A quick
"Find Files" from the Start menu (*.TTF) should show where the little
sods are hiding. In which case you should be able to copy/move them
into your Windows Fonts folder. Whether you move or copy depends on what
affect it will have on Photoshop... :-(
A far better option is to install Helvetica from disk (there is almost
certainly a copy on the Photoshop CDrom) into your Windows fonts folder.
That way it and any other fonts you wish to use will be available to
*all* your applications - not just Photoshop.
--
Del Tree
SCG
available to Photoshop when located here. The same is true for Illustrator.
These T1 fonts can be used in Photoshop / Illustrator without having ATM
installed. You will have to install ATM to use Helvetica in QuarkXpress.
-scg
Henrik wrote in message <38de46d9$0$10...@motown.iinet.net.au>...
>Thanks Del Tree,
>
>The reason why I asked this is that I have fonts in my fonts folder in
>\winnt\ (FYI is the same in win2k)
>I am looking for Helvetica which is present in Photoshop but it is not
>available in QuarkXpress
>
>No, I can't find it in the font folder, nevertheless it is present in
>Photoshop!
>
>Solve this one - (unless it goes under some obscure name other then
>Helvetica!!!)
>
>Thanks again
>
>Henrik
>"Del Tree" <D...@spamfree.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:RhABrCAM...@spamfree.fsnet.co.uk...
Rod Hewitt
draw your attention to the fact that fonts CAN be installed anywhere in
Windows. On the
font installation dialogue you have the option to 'Copy fonts to Fonts
folder' (may be worded differently on different releases). If you do not use
this option Windows writes the full path of the font file into the
registry - which in turn causes the maximum number of fonts you can
install to drop. Whereas those installed into the Fonts folder
occupy merely the length of their names (key of the font's name plus data of
the filename) those in other directories can use a hundred or more extra
characters for the full path. The limit for installed fonts (Win95/98)
is normally of the order of 1000 to 1500 depending on name/filename lengths,
but if you don't install into the fonts
folder this will reduce considerably. (Good old Windows and its 64KB limits.
But I don't know what the limit is in W2000, yet.) I have several times seen
people have font problems with only a few hundred fonts because of this.
This is a problem with those font managers that do not copy the fonts into
the fonts folder - they can reduce the number of fonts you are able to
install. (I have seen this in at least one so-called font manager - can't
remember which one.)
Being possibly brave and definitely foolish, I can confirm little difference
on Windows 2000
except, as you say, you can dump T1 fonts in there as well, and, get this,
they work. We are all awaiting the service pack to bugger this up.
And while checking a couple of details in this post, I accidentally found
the following
item - somewhat off this topic but, I hope, on topic for the ng:
Private Character Editor overview
Using Private Character Editor (PCE), you can create up to 6,400 unique
characters (such as special letters and logos) for use in your font library.
PCE contains basic tools for creating and editing characters, along with
more advanced options.
This looks like a simplistic font editor (you get a grid on which you can
draw your own characters rather like paintbrush). Not a lot of scope for
adding hints. I sure hope your customers don't find out and
forget to include their private characters with their work! They can create
up to 6,400 such characters.
Rod
Thomas Kaltschmidt
> Photoshop 5 or 5.5 presumably?
>
> We have them, but still use 4.01 :-)
Welcome in the club, we use 4.01 of Photoshop, too... (and it works
colormanagement firlefanz)
Thomas
Mac
installed. You will have to install ATM to use Helvetica in QuarkXpress.
-scg>>
I don't think there is a W2K version of ATM; the os handles T1 font
rasterization itself. This is what i have been lead to believe, but it could
be wrong or incomplete.
--
Mac Townsend,
Adcom Graphics, Fairfield, CA:
www.adcomgraphics.com
A Corel Platinum Service Bureau
SCG
Henrik
The reason why I asked this is that I have fonts in my fonts folder in
\winnt\ (FYI is the same in win2k)
I am looking for Helvetica which is present in Photoshop but it is not
available in QuarkXpress
No, I can't find it in the font folder, nevertheless it is present in
Photoshop!
Solve this one - (unless it goes under some obscure name other then
Helvetica!!!)
Thanks again
Henrik
Henrik
I just really wanted that damn font as I am using it in my course
thanks for the many replies - which some of them have made me feel totally
incompetent in using a computer
Never thought that would happen ;-))
Thanks
Henrik
I'll find a way!
"Mac" <m...@adcomgrafx.com> wrote in message
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Del Tree
<tkalts...@mail.isis.de> writes
"If it aint broke - why fix it?" as we say here Thomas.
--
Del Tree
Del Tree
writes
>You could be right about that.
>scg
>
He is!
But I bet there's a version in the pipeline or I'll eat my hat ;-)
--
Del Tree
Del Tree
<rod...@saqnet.co.uk> writes
>Whilst I rather agree with you, Del, (esp. last comment) I would like to
>draw your attention to the fact that fonts CAN be installed anywhere in
>Windows. On the
>font installation dialogue you have the option to 'Copy fonts to Fonts
>folder' (may be worded differently on different releases). If you do not use
>this option Windows writes the full path of the font file into the
>registry - which in turn causes the maximum number of fonts you can
>install to drop. Whereas those installed into the Fonts folder
>occupy merely the length of their names (key of the font's name plus data of
>the filename) those in other directories can use a hundred or more extra
>characters for the full path. The limit for installed fonts (Win95/98)
>is normally of the order of 1000 to 1500 depending on name/filename lengths,
>but if you don't install into the fonts
>folder this will reduce considerably. (Good old Windows and its 64KB limits.
>But I don't know what the limit is in W2000, yet.) I have several times seen
>people have font problems with only a few hundred fonts because of this.
I am sure you are right. It is a long time since we actually used the
Windows fonts folder on any of our PC's as we long ago ditched TT fonts
in favour of Type 1 and ATM. On checking this morning only 1 of our PC's
has more than 30 fonts in the Windows font's folder (42!) and that's
only because it's connected to the Net and uses Verdana!
>This is a problem with those font managers that do not copy the fonts into
>the fonts folder - they can reduce the number of fonts you are able to
>install. (I have seen this in at least one so-called font manager - can't
>remember which one.)
Not true of ATM under either W95 or 98. It puts aliases (oppps I mean
shortcuts of course!) in the Windows fonts folder and stores the actual
TT font files it manages in a hidden subfolder called "ATM fonts". As I
said above this presents no problem for us as aside from a few Script
typefaces which are unavailable as T1 fonts (mainly made by Meccanorma)
all our machines use T1 fonts exclusively. Because of this and the Adobe
PS printer drivers we use there is *no* real limit on the number of T1
fonts that can be installed since they are not listed in the Win.ini as
TT fonts are and as Type1 fonts *would* be if one were using the MS PS
printer driver (a bunch of crap, incidentally in Win9x - can't speak for
Win2K). Most of our PC's have between 300 - 600 fonts installed, of
which perhaps 100 - 300 are activated at any one time. That's the beauty
of the ATM/Adobeps driver combo on the PC and a major reason why we are
in no hurry to "upgrade" to Win2K.
>
>Being possibly brave and definitely foolish, I can confirm little difference
>on Windows 2000
>except, as you say, you can dump T1 fonts in there as well, and, get this,
>they work. We are all awaiting the service pack to bugger this up.
So they live in the fonts folder along with the TTF's then?
Are they perpetually active or can one de-activate sets and individual
fonts? Are installed fonts listed in the Win.ini and does it still have
the old 64KB limit?
What is the placeholder for Postscript devices in the Win.ini, if any?
>And while checking a couple of details in this post, I accidentally found
>the following
>item - somewhat off this topic but, I hope, on topic for the ng:
>
>Private Character Editor overview
>
>Using Private Character Editor (PCE), you can create up to 6,400 unique
>characters (such as special letters and logos) for use in your font library.
>PCE contains basic tools for creating and editing characters, along with
>more advanced options.
>
>This looks like a simplistic font editor (you get a grid on which you can
>draw your own characters rather like paintbrush). Not a lot of scope for
>adding hints. I sure hope your customers don't find out and
>forget to include their private characters with their work! They can create
>up to 6,400 such characters.
>
Is this a Type1 or TT editor?
If TT it would be of dubious applicability for most of the professional
pre-press PC users here. If Type1 could one trust it? I confess I would
feel more comfortable using expert or extended sets from a reputable
foundry. Less wasted film that way!
--
Del Tree
Marc Wieber
Del Tree schrieb:
> snip ů
>
> >This is a problem with those font managers that do not copy the fonts into
> >the fonts folder - they can reduce the number of fonts you are able to
> >install. (I have seen this in at least one so-called font manager - can't
> >remember which one.)
>
> Not true of ATM under either W95 or 98. It puts aliases (oppps I mean
> shortcuts of course!) in the Windows fonts folder and stores the actual
> TT font files it manages in a hidden subfolder called "ATM fonts". As I
> said above this presents no problem for us as aside from a few Script
> typefaces which are unavailable as T1 fonts (mainly made by Meccanorma)
> all our machines use T1 fonts exclusively. Because of this and the Adobe
> PS printer drivers we use there is *no* real limit on the number of T1
> fonts that can be installed since they are not listed in the Win.ini as
> TT fonts are and as Type1 fonts *would* be if one were using the MS PS
> printer driver (a bunch of crap, incidentally in Win9x - can't speak for
> Win2K).
Del, just open the ATM Helpfile and go for "INI File too Large".
> Most of our PC's have between 300 - 600 fonts installed, of
> which perhaps 100 - 300 are activated at any one time. That's the beauty
> of the ATM/Adobeps driver combo on the PC and a major reason why we are
> in no hurry to "upgrade" to Win2K.
> ů snap
Marc
Rod Hewitt
exists for apps that think they need it.) Have to look for more details but
I think that all the files (ttf, pfm, pfb, etc.)just live in the fonts
folder.
> So they live in the fonts folder along with the TTF's then?
> Are they perpetually active or can one de-activate sets and individual
> fonts? Are installed fonts listed in the Win.ini and does it still have
> the old 64KB limit?
There is no activation/deactivation mechanism - very disappointing.
> Is this a Type1 or TT editor?
> If TT it would be of dubious applicability for most of the professional
> pre-press PC users here. If Type1 could one trust it? I confess I would
> feel more comfortable using expert or extended sets from a reputable
> foundry. Less wasted film that way!
It is unclear what it does internally - except that it seems to redirect
those 6,400 'private' entries in Unicode fonts to your definitions. I really
wasn't expecting any likely readers in this ng to wish to use it - but
expect someone somewhere will set it up and then expect you to print things
containing these private characters. As it is MS I would suspect that it
creates a TTF font of some sort.
Rod
Rod Hewitt
management as being the only uses for ATM in W2000. It seems that a new
version will be created to handle these issues.
Rod Hewitt
Rod Hewitt
exists for apps that think they need it.) Have to look for more details but
folder.
> So they live in the fonts folder along with the TTF's then?
> Are they perpetually active or can one de-activate sets and individual
> fonts? Are installed fonts listed in the Win.ini and does it still have
> the old 64KB limit?
There is no activation/deactivation mechanism - very disappointing.
> Is this a Type1 or TT editor?
> If TT it would be of dubious applicability for most of the professional
> pre-press PC users here. If Type1 could one trust it? I confess I would
> feel more comfortable using expert or extended sets from a reputable
> foundry. Less wasted film that way!
It is unclear what it does internally - except that it seems to redirect
Henrik
I found a WIN.ini in my system (win2kpro) which states that it is "for
16-bit app support"
it has a \fonts\ dir listed
so I think you are right in what you are saying
Henrik
"Rod Hewitt" <rod...@saqnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Win.ini has gone in W2000 - no 64KB limits apply. (I think such a file
> exists for apps that think they need it.) Have to look for more details
but
> I think that all the files (ttf, pfm, pfb, etc.)just live in the fonts
> folder.
>
> > So they live in the fonts folder along with the TTF's then?
> > Are they perpetually active or can one de-activate sets and individual
> > fonts? Are installed fonts listed in the Win.ini and does it still have
> > the old 64KB limit?
>
> There is no activation/deactivation mechanism - very disappointing.
>
> > Is this a Type1 or TT editor?
> > If TT it would be of dubious applicability for most of the professional
> > pre-press PC users here. If Type1 could one trust it? I confess I would
> > feel more comfortable using expert or extended sets from a reputable
> > foundry. Less wasted film that way!
>
Vic Forsman
> >
> >The reason why I asked this is that I have fonts in my fonts folder in
> >\winnt\ (FYI is the same in win2k)
> >I am looking for Helvetica which is present in Photoshop but it is not
> >available in QuarkXpress
> >
> >No, I can't find it in the font folder, nevertheless it is present in
> >Photoshop!
>
>
>
> We have them, but still use 4.01 :-)
>
> of fonts (unless you specify otherwise by electing to do a custom
> install) and they probably put them somewhere other than the default
> Windows font folder. That would mean they were only available to the
> application that installed them (in this case - Photoshop). A quick
For Henrik,
The fonts you are referring to are located in Program Files/Common
Files/Adobe/Fonts (at least on Win 9x machines, not sure of the EXACT path
on Win2k, but it should be similar). They are available to all NEWER Adobe
programs but no other. They can be installed for all programs through a type
manager such as ATM (Adobe Type Manager) or (my preference) ATM Deluxe.
For Del and Henrik,
Not ALL windows fonts reside in Windows/Fonts. This is the location for
Truetype fonts ONLY. If you have Type 1 fonts they will be installed in a
folder called psfonts. You will HAVE to use a font manager for Type 1 under
Win 9x, don't know about win2k.
--
Vic Forsman
v i c f a t n e t t a l l y d o t c o m
Vic Forsman
--
Vic Forsman
v i c f a t n e t t a l l y d o t c o m
"Mac" <m...@adcomgrafx.com> wrote in message
Del Tree
<vi...@nettally.com> writes
Vic, my man, do read my post again. I specifically mentioned ATM
although I focussed on TT fonts because that's what most Windows users
are familiar with. I'm well aware of the psfonts folder. Hell, we've
been using Type1 fonts and ATM since Win3.11!
--
Del Tree
Vic Forsman
"Henrik" <ti...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Just to clear up everything then Vic is THE MAN - he sure was/is right
>
> well there you go - we learn something new everyday
>
> Thanks Heaps - VIC
>
> regards,
>
snip
Your welcome, Henrik. Glad to help.
Vic Forsman
snip
>
> Vic, my man, do read my post again. I specifically mentioned ATM
> although I focussed on TT fonts because that's what most Windows users
> are familiar with. I'm well aware of the psfonts folder. Hell, we've
> been using Type1 fonts and ATM since Win3.11!
> --
> Del Tree
Thought so. That's one of the things that confused me about your post. I
KNEW I had seen you post about psfonts in the past. Thought one of us were
losing what was left of our senses.
Henrik
well there you go - we learn something new everyday
Thanks Heaps - VIC
regards,
Henrik
"Vic Forsman" <vi...@nettally.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> For Henrik,
>
> The fonts you are referring to are located in Program Files/Common
> Files/Adobe/Fonts (at least on Win 9x machines, not sure of the EXACT path
> on Win2k, but it should be similar). They are available to all NEWER Adobe
> programs but no other. They can be installed for all programs through a
type
> manager such as ATM (Adobe Type Manager) or (my preference) ATM Deluxe.
>
> For Del and Henrik,
>
> Not ALL windows fonts reside in Windows/Fonts. This is the location for
> Truetype fonts ONLY. If you have Type 1 fonts they will be installed in a
> folder called psfonts. You will HAVE to use a font manager for Type 1
under
> Win 9x, don't know about win2k.
>
Eric Smith
<D...@spamfree.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <B504461C.3B71%tkalts...@mail.isis.de>, Thomas Kaltschmidt
><tkalts...@mail.isis.de> writes
>>in Beitrag [BEITRAG] schrieb Del Tree unter [ADRESSE] am [DATUM]:
>>
>>> Photoshop 5 or 5.5 presumably?
>>>
>>> We have them, but still use 4.01 :-)
>>
>>
>>Welcome in the club, we use 4.01 of Photoshop, too... (and it works
>>colormanagement firlefanz)
>
>"If it aint broke - why fix it?" as we say here Thomas.
>--
>Del Tree
But isn't that the point of all of Adobe's latest releases. There
really wasn't anyhting broken so they didn't have anything to fix. Had
to break something so they could charge for more upgrades to fix the
new bugs.
David Knight
activate
abydig...@gmail.com
> Hi guys,
>
> Just wondering how to add more fonts to QXpress 4. Can't seem to see where
> the fonts are located
> using win2K.
>
>
> Henrik
who can i use google input tool in quark?