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Jeff

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Jul 8, 2001, 12:41:59 PM7/8/01
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Just bought a Plextor 12x/10x/32a. Was using a 6x Ricoh. Based on my
calculations 12x should be able to burn a CD in abou 7 minutes. I'm using
Nero 5.5 and most of my Audio CDs take about 12 min. to burn at 12x (80 min
CD). Is anyone even getting under 9 or 10 min burns on the Plextor 12x??

Mike Richter

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Jul 8, 2001, 3:15:02 PM7/8/01
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If you're burning on the fly, your reader is probably limiting you. I
have no problem maintaining 12x on my 1210 with any of the programs I
use (ECDC 5, CDRWin, EAC). Also check whether BurnProof is activating;
that can slow the write considerably and inconsistently.

Mike
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Patrick Boehm

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Jul 8, 2001, 11:54:47 PM7/8/01
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I own the plextor 12/10/32/a. Burning a 50 minute audio cd , 5 minutes.
From Harddrive. 12 x speed easy to maintain if I minimize the multitasking.
amd 550 k6 3, 256 ram, fic pa2013 mb. 1 meg cache. 17 gig maxtor hdd.


Steve Saunders

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Jul 9, 2001, 6:29:22 AM7/9/01
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Any hint/tips/suggestions on how to prevent or otherwise control BurnProof
from activating w/EZCD 4.05 in conjunction with a TEAC W516-EB?

Thanks, Steve

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James Perrett

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Jul 9, 2001, 9:52:46 AM7/9/01
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Steve Saunders wrote:
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> Any hint/tips/suggestions on how to prevent or otherwise control BurnProof
> from activating w/EZCD 4.05 in conjunction with a TEAC W516-EB?
>
> Thanks, Steve
>
>

Just make sure that you can feed it data as fast as it needs. Try
switching BURNProof off and doing a test burn. If the test fails then
you need to check your system for bottlenecks.

Cheers.

James.
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David Chien

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Jul 9, 2001, 3:46:15 PM7/9/01
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> CD). Is anyone even getting under 9 or 10 min burns on the Plextor 12x??

Easily 5-6 minutes w/o any problems, 74 or 80 minute burns.

You'll have to make sure that the HD you have is fast enough to feed data at
12x w/o any pauses. Otherwise, the moment BurnProof kicks in, you'll have
slower writes. (does the LED light on the drive go solid during the middle of a
burn? if so, faster HD subsystem)


William Leech

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Jul 10, 2001, 11:59:23 AM7/10/01
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In message <6If27.137808$_T2.28...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, Steve
Saunders <steve.s...@iname.com> writes

>Any hint/tips/suggestions on how to prevent or otherwise control BurnProof
>from activating w/EZCD 4.05 in conjunction with a TEAC W516-EB?

It's always on in ECDC4.x
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john dodsworth

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Jul 11, 2001, 8:09:49 AM7/11/01
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you will never burn audio at the maximum speed
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James Perrett

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Jul 11, 2001, 12:07:47 PM7/11/01
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The SCSI version works at full speed for me with both audio and data.
The guys upstairs have an IDE version which also seems to work at full
speed for them.

bi241

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Jul 12, 2001, 4:39:17 PM7/12/01
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I think BurnProof are intended for compatibility purpose. Say, you
want to put a high speed CD-RW to work on a computer with a slow IDE
subsystem, then enabling BurnProof is a must. Of course, with
BurnProof keeps on kicking in during a copy, then there's no way to
achive full speed.

On the other hand, you may not have to enable BurnPoof at all at no
risk of making coasters at full speed recording if you have high-end
IDE subsystem.

So , what's the point of making fast burners and putting BurnProof on
them? The answer is that we are building our home computers the
'HotRod' way, and any manufacturers of add-on components who wouldn't
want to lose a sale have to accomodate that fact. CR-RW drives are no
exceptions.

12x or higher speed burners to go with BurnProof and everybody happy.
Unless, of course, you time the actual time it takes to complete a
burn :)

David Chien

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Jul 12, 2001, 7:05:01 PM7/12/01
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http://www.systemlogic.net/reviews/hardware/storage/plextor/121032a/page4.php

Plextor 12/10/32A CD-RW Review
November 11th, 2000


Burn Speeds

The box says 7 minutes to burn a 650MB CD. That's very nice but
they're wrong. As most
of you know, burning a CD isn't set to a time, it depends on
what you're burning and what
program you are using. If you're burning one large 650MB file
onto a CD, it'll burn the fastest
because all of the data is on one track and the CD-RW can
constantly keep writing to that
track instead of making new ones. That's why it takes so much
longer to make a music CD
than a data CD. There are pauses in which the CD-RW writes to a
track, closes it, and
starts a new one. It can take up to 5 minutes more to write to
an audio CD than to a data
CD.

Write to a CD-R 650MB DATA:

6 minutes +- 10 seconds

Write to a CD-R 15 tracks audio EZCD

8 minutes +- 30 seconds

As you can see, the rated speed of 7 minutes is right between
the scores for DATA and
AUDIO CD's. If you are a person looking to get a fast burner for
your DATA CD's, then the
Plextor is a great choice, burning a CD in less than 6 minutes
is amazing, burning an audio
CD in less than 8 minutes is cool too.


Charles C. Drew

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Jul 12, 2001, 11:44:46 PM7/12/01
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You need to have DMA mode turned on for your burner for it to work at that
speed. If you don't, you won't get much better than about 8x speed on any
machine. This is because of the nature of the IDE interface. With DMA
turned off, the CPU must transfer all data too and from the IDE devices.
With it turned on, the chipset controller on the systemboard does it with
its proprietary memory interface (usually much faster than CPU transfers).

DMA means the CPU can request data to be loaded or unloaded from memory and
then go about its business. When the chipset is done doing the transfer it
generates an IRQ to let the CPU know its done.

Unfortunately, not all devices work on all systemboards with DMA turned on.
Some devices, like some CD ROM burners, will not behave if any IDE devices
have DMA turned on. You will have to experiment.


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Alexander Grigoriev

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Jul 13, 2001, 12:36:22 AM7/13/01
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Why are you using Track At Once mode? I thought nobody is using it anymore.
You may want to enable Disk At Once mode. All modern recorders support it.

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Mike Richter

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Jul 13, 2001, 12:55:35 AM7/13/01
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I prefer bottom posting, but will follow your lead if you get there
first. You didn't, so you get to bounce around.

Buffer underrun prevention does nothing at all until the buffer is about
to underrun, so the way to keep it from kicking in is to avoid buffer
underrun in the first place. There are two ways to do that: write at a
lower speed to avoid draining the buffer; or locate the cause and fix
it.

Your choice. If you go for locating the cause, there's help in the usual
references, though mine doesn't cover EIDE funs and games, so the others
may be more helpful: CD-R FAQ and Roxio WWW site.

Mark Powell

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Jul 13, 2001, 11:05:42 AM7/13/01
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In article <f580c15c.01071...@posting.google.com>, bi241 wrote:
>[a good understanding of BurnProof snipped]

>
>12x or higher speed burners to go with BurnProof and everybody happy.
>Unless, of course, you time the actual time it takes to complete a
>burn :)

I don't really see what the problem is. BurnProof just makes a CDwriter
like any other data storage device. It removes the unrecoverable error
situation. If the system can't keep up, because of an overall lack of
horsepower or because it just happens to be loaded at the time then the
writing will take longer. This is just the same as a hard drive etc. Who
complains that they don't always get the theoretical maximum data transfer
rate out of a hard drive?
For me I'd always have BurnProof on. What's the point in turning it off?
It's great advantage is that people can still use their PCs as normal
whilst writing. Sure if your PC can't keep up when you load it then leave
it alone. Just like you had to do in the old days of IDE writing.
Cheers.

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Ya`akov Nachum Miles

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Jul 26, 2001, 8:50:37 AM7/26/01
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I am the proud owner of a Plextor 12/10/32S - the "S" is short for SCSI. It
burns 650 megabyte data discs in six minutes flat, audio disks take a little
longer because it has to bother with the different buffersize and multiple
track nonsense. (I am not a pirate and don't burn audio CDs) I burn direct
from hard disk, so I don't use "BURNPROOF" although Linux will support it.
Have you seen the latest http://www.plextor.com 24/10/40A ide burner?

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Mark Powell

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Jul 28, 2001, 11:26:49 AM7/28/01
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In article <xmU77.1843$b_3.2...@news0.telusplanet.net>,

Ya`akov Nachum Miles wrote:
>I am the proud owner of a Plextor 12/10/32S - the "S" is short for SCSI. It
>burns 650 megabyte data discs in six minutes flat, audio disks take a little
>longer because it has to bother with the different buffersize and multiple
>track nonsense.

Burn audio CDs in DAO not TAO mode.

> (I am not a pirate and don't burn audio CDs) I burn direct
>from hard disk, so I don't use "BURNPROOF" although Linux will support it.

Why don't you use BurnProof? What benefit are you getting by turning if
off except increasing the risk of a coaster?

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