Re: What are the best brands to get dual-layer DVDRWs (+ and -)?
Ant
> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
>
> Thanks in advance. ;)
Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare? I can't seem to find any.
http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#4.3.10 says they existed since
2006.
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Vic Hyu Garcia
> On 12/29/2008 9:00 PM PT, Ant typed:
>
>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
>>
>> Thanks in advance. ;)
>
> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare? I can't seem to find any.
> http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#4.3.10 says they existed
> since 2006.
Now, why people still use them, knowing the problems they cause, and the
fact that they cost about 5 times more than normal DVD's ... that's the
real mystery for me ?????
Ant
What problems do they cause? The only issue I read was older drives
might not be able to read them.
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Rod Speed
> Vic Hyu Garcia wrote
>> Ant wrote
>>> Ant wrote
>>>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
>>> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare? I can't seem to find any.
>>> http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#4.3.10 says they existed since 2006.
>> It's you, they are pretty common.
Looks like he has missed the DL requirement too.
>> Now, why people still use them, knowing the problems they cause, and the fact that they cost about 5 times more than
>> normal DVD's ...
>> that's the real mystery for me ?????
> What problems do they cause?
None with a decent burner.
> The only issue I read was older drives might not be able to read them.
The other issue is that price question.
Rod Speed
> Ant wrote
>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare?
Just you. Not as common as DVD+/-R but nothing even remotely resembling anything like rare.
But maybe you left out the dual layer in the body of this post.
DL DVD+/-RWs arent very common at all.
Ant
> Ant wrote
>> Ant wrote
>
>>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
>
>> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare?
>
> Just you. Not as common as DVD+/-R but nothing even remotely resembling anything like rare.
>
> But maybe you left out the dual layer in the body of this post.
>
> DL DVD+/-RWs arent very common at all.
Sorry, I meant dual layer/DL RWs not the cheaper smaller capability ones.
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Ant
> Ant wrote
Yeah, that is why I am planning to get only one or two if they exist.
Paul Heslop
>
> On 12/30/2008 9:49 PM PT, Rod Speed typed:
>
> > Ant wrote
> >> Ant wrote
> >
> >>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
> >
> >> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare?
> >
> > Just you. Not as common as DVD+/-R but nothing even remotely resembling anything like rare.
> >
> > But maybe you left out the dual layer in the body of this post.
> >
> > DL DVD+/-RWs arent very common at all.
>
> Sorry, I meant dual layer/DL RWs not the cheaper smaller capability ones.
well I just did some hunting and they do seem to be impossible to
find. even though the JVC brand seem to have been developed and
created I found none. Are you sure your machine would actually be
capable of recording on them? Someone suggested that the panasonic
recorders which have DL capability will write to them but that's all
I've seen.
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Vic Hyu Garcia
> On 12/30/2008 9:49 PM PT, Rod Speed typed:
>
>> Ant wrote
>>> Ant wrote
>>
>>>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
>>
>>> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare?
>>
>> Just you. Not as common as DVD+/-R but nothing even remotely
>> resembling anything like rare.
>>
>> But maybe you left out the dual layer in the body of this post.
>>
>> DL DVD+/-RWs arent very common at all.
>
> Sorry, I meant dual layer/DL RWs not the cheaper smaller capability ones.
most be the price question.
The problems with RW (SL) are mostly in the compatibility path, while
they work in computer readers, most give errors when used in a normal
consumer DVD.
I had use 3 different brands, none has played OK neither on my players
(Phillips) or my cousin one (Samsung), so for me they are very expensive
coasters.
Ant
> Ant wrote:
>> On 12/30/2008 9:49 PM PT, Rod Speed typed:
>>
>>> Ant wrote
>>>> Ant wrote
>>>>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
>>>> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare?
>>> Just you. Not as common as DVD+/-R but nothing even remotely resembling anything like rare.
>>>
>>> But maybe you left out the dual layer in the body of this post.
>>>
>>> DL DVD+/-RWs arent very common at all.
>> Sorry, I meant dual layer/DL RWs not the cheaper smaller capability ones.
>
> well I just did some hunting and they do seem to be impossible to
> find. even though the JVC brand seem to have been developed and
> created I found none. Are you sure your machine would actually be
> capable of recording on them? Someone suggested that the panasonic
> recorders which have DL capability will write to them but that's all
> I've seen.
Hmm, you're right and I didn't even notice. I thought all today's DVD
burner drives had that support by now!
http://www.sonynec-optiarc.com/products/hhid_dvdrw/ad7220.html I only
see DVD+/-R DL. Nero's InfoTool 5 doesn't show it either:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4420/neroinfotool5lc3.gif (only -R and
+R DL).
What SATA DVD burner drives come with them these days?
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Ant
>>>>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
>>>
>>>> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare?
>>>
>>> Just you. Not as common as DVD+/-R but nothing even remotely
>>> resembling anything like rare.
>>>
>>> But maybe you left out the dual layer in the body of this post.
>>>
>>> DL DVD+/-RWs arent very common at all.
>>
>> Sorry, I meant dual layer/DL RWs not the cheaper smaller capability ones.
> Oh well, those are definitely in the rare to never seen one category, it
> most be the price question.
>
> The problems with RW (SL) are mostly in the compatibility path, while
> they work in computer readers, most give errors when used in a normal
> consumer DVD.
> I had use 3 different brands, none has played OK neither on my players
> (Phillips) or my cousin one (Samsung), so for me they are very expensive
> coasters.
Wow, I thought this issue would resolved by now. Hence, why I stuck with
CD burners for many years and finally decided to get a DVD burner drive.
I remember this problem with CDRWs back in the old days. That was quite
annoying. Things got a lot better now. I just hated making coasters with
CDRs and DVDRs. And I do like to erase RW medias and reuse them. I guess
I should not bother with DVD RW medias then.
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Paul Heslop
dunno mate, I'm still stuck in the dark ages :O)
Paul Heslop
>
> On 12/31/2008 7:42 AM PT, Vic Hyu Garcia typed:
>
> >>>>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
> >>>
> >>>> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare?
> >>>
> >>> Just you. Not as common as DVD+/-R but nothing even remotely
> >>> resembling anything like rare.
> >>>
> >>> But maybe you left out the dual layer in the body of this post.
> >>>
> >>> DL DVD+/-RWs arent very common at all.
> >>
> >> Sorry, I meant dual layer/DL RWs not the cheaper smaller capability ones.
> > Oh well, those are definitely in the rare to never seen one category, it
> > most be the price question.
> >
> > The problems with RW (SL) are mostly in the compatibility path, while
> > they work in computer readers, most give errors when used in a normal
> > consumer DVD.
> > I had use 3 different brands, none has played OK neither on my players
> > (Phillips) or my cousin one (Samsung), so for me they are very expensive
> > coasters.
>
> Wow, I thought this issue would resolved by now. Hence, why I stuck with
> CD burners for many years and finally decided to get a DVD burner drive.
> I remember this problem with CDRWs back in the old days. That was quite
> annoying. Things got a lot better now. I just hated making coasters with
> CDRs and DVDRs. And I do like to erase RW medias and reuse them. I guess
> I should not bother with DVD RW medias then.
DVD ram is the most stable.
Ant
>>>>>>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
>>>>>> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare?
>>>>> Just you. Not as common as DVD+/-R but nothing even remotely resembling anything like rare.
>>>>>
>>>>> But maybe you left out the dual layer in the body of this post.
>>>>>
>>>>> DL DVD+/-RWs arent very common at all.
>>>> Sorry, I meant dual layer/DL RWs not the cheaper smaller capability ones.
>>> well I just did some hunting and they do seem to be impossible to
>>> find. even though the JVC brand seem to have been developed and
>>> created I found none. Are you sure your machine would actually be
>>> capable of recording on them? Someone suggested that the panasonic
>>> recorders which have DL capability will write to them but that's all
>>> I've seen.
>> Hmm, you're right and I didn't even notice. I thought all today's DVD
>> burner drives had that support by now!
>>
>> http://www.sonynec-optiarc.com/products/hhid_dvdrw/ad7220.html I only
>> see DVD+/-R DL. Nero's InfoTool 5 doesn't show it either:
>> http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4420/neroinfotool5lc3.gif (only -R and
>> +R DL).
>>
>> What SATA DVD burner drives come with them these days?
>
> dunno mate, I'm still stuck in the dark ages :O)
LOL. CD burner only? I was like that before I got this drive!
Apparently, I am still early for it. ;P
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Ant
>>>>>>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
>>>>>> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare?
>>>>> Just you. Not as common as DVD+/-R but nothing even remotely
>>>>> resembling anything like rare.
>>>>>
>>>>> But maybe you left out the dual layer in the body of this post.
>>>>>
>>>>> DL DVD+/-RWs arent very common at all.
>>>> Sorry, I meant dual layer/DL RWs not the cheaper smaller capability ones.
>>> Oh well, those are definitely in the rare to never seen one category, it
>>> most be the price question.
>>>
>>> The problems with RW (SL) are mostly in the compatibility path, while
>>> they work in computer readers, most give errors when used in a normal
>>> consumer DVD.
>>> I had use 3 different brands, none has played OK neither on my players
>>> (Phillips) or my cousin one (Samsung), so for me they are very expensive
>>> coasters.
>> Wow, I thought this issue would resolved by now. Hence, why I stuck with
>> CD burners for many years and finally decided to get a DVD burner drive.
>> I remember this problem with CDRWs back in the old days. That was quite
>> annoying. Things got a lot better now. I just hated making coasters with
>> CDRs and DVDRs. And I do like to erase RW medias and reuse them. I guess
>> I should not bother with DVD RW medias then.
>
> DVD ram is the most stable.
And least compatiblity: http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#4.3.1
... Ugh.
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Rod Speed
Not if you only need SL DVD+/-RW
Rod Speed
SL DVD+/-RW is very readily available and the better DVD players handle them fine.
Ant
Ah, I want a DVD burner including DL RW. I guess I won't bother now
after reading bad things about it.
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Ant
Yeah, it looks like I will have to do that. I was hoping for more disc
space with DL. :(
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Paul Heslop
>
> On 12/31/2008 2:06 PM PT, Paul Heslop typed:
>
> >>>>>>> Yes, RW since I will be reusing them.
> >>>>>> Is it me or are DVD+/-RW discs rare?
> >>>>> Just you. Not as common as DVD+/-R but nothing even remotely resembling anything like rare.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But maybe you left out the dual layer in the body of this post.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> DL DVD+/-RWs arent very common at all.
> >>>> Sorry, I meant dual layer/DL RWs not the cheaper smaller capability ones.
> >>> well I just did some hunting and they do seem to be impossible to
> >>> find. even though the JVC brand seem to have been developed and
> >>> created I found none. Are you sure your machine would actually be
> >>> capable of recording on them? Someone suggested that the panasonic
> >>> recorders which have DL capability will write to them but that's all
> >>> I've seen.
> >> Hmm, you're right and I didn't even notice. I thought all today's DVD
> >> burner drives had that support by now!
> >>
> >> http://www.sonynec-optiarc.com/products/hhid_dvdrw/ad7220.html I only
> >> see DVD+/-R DL. Nero's InfoTool 5 doesn't show it either:
> >> http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4420/neroinfotool5lc3.gif (only -R and
> >> +R DL).
> >>
> >> What SATA DVD burner drives come with them these days?
> >
> > dunno mate, I'm still stuck in the dark ages :O)
>
> LOL. CD burner only? I was like that before I got this drive!
> Apparently, I am still early for it. ;P
no, I have a dvd burner, it's external and works well, but I have no
idea about SATA and etc at all, they're just words to me.
Paul Heslop
yep, but really, it is like a mini hard disc.
CapCity
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Always check the DVD players specs to be sure. If the box doesn't have it
listed on the side then go to the product's web site. Or take one with you
to the store and try it on a floor model.
>
Ant
>> SL DVD+/-RW is very readily available and the better DVD players handle
>> them fine.
>
> Always check the DVD players specs to be sure. If the box doesn't have it
> listed on the side then go to the product's web site. Or take one with you
> to the store and try it on a floor model.
Yes, but this is not possible for people who already owned DVD players
for years. Do all DVD players (even old and cheaper models) support SL
DVDRs well?
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CapCity
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> On 1/6/2009 4:59 AM PT, CapCity typed:
>
>>> SL DVD+/-RW is very readily available and the better DVD players handle
>>> them fine.
>>
>> Always check the DVD players specs to be sure. If the box doesn't have it
>> listed on the side then go to the product's web site. Or take one with
>> you to the store and try it on a floor model.
>
> Yes, but this is not possible for people who already owned DVD players for
> years. Do all DVD players (even old and cheaper models) support SL DVDRs
> well?
No. Some will not support them at all. Older progressive scan players
sometimes do well. But I have seen players only play SL DVD-R, some not play
either SL DVD-R or SL DVD+R.
Rod Speed
> On 1/6/2009 4:59 AM PT, CapCity typed:
>
>>> SL DVD+/-RW is very readily available and the better DVD players
>>> handle them fine.
>>
>> Always check the DVD players specs to be sure. If the box doesn't
>> have it listed on the side then go to the product's web site. Or
>> take one with you to the store and try it on a floor model.
>
> Yes, but this is not possible for people who already owned DVD players
> for years. Do all DVD players (even old and cheaper models) support SL
> DVDRs well?
Nope, particularly with the older ones.
But then they are now so cheap that there isnt much point in farting around
with the older crap that doesnt work.
The other consideration is that the best of DVD players will play MPEG4s and AVIs
etc and its well worth replacing DVD players that dont with ones that do so you dont
have to fart around converting those to DVD format if you play those much.
CapCity
I just picked up a Phillips model at WalMart for around $40. Plays DVD+/-R,
DivX, Music CDs, MP3. Has a USB port and will rip a music cd to MP3 on a
thumb drive. Also upconverts to 1080p.
Like you said, why fart around with the old stuff. The DivX alone was worth
it.
>
>
Ant
So I have to tell all my friends, relatives, strangers, etc. to buy new
players because of their old incompatible DVD players? :(
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Rod Speed
> On 1/6/2009 10:55 AM PT, Rod Speed typed:
>
>> Ant wrote:
>>> On 1/6/2009 4:59 AM PT, CapCity typed:
>>>
>>>>> SL DVD+/-RW is very readily available and the better DVD players
>>>>> handle them fine.
>>>> Always check the DVD players specs to be sure. If the box doesn't
>>>> have it listed on the side then go to the product's web site. Or
>>>> take one with you to the store and try it on a floor model.
>>> Yes, but this is not possible for people who already owned DVD
>>> players for years. Do all DVD players (even old and cheaper models)
>>> support SL DVDRs well?
>>
>> Nope, particularly with the older ones.
>>
>> But then they are now so cheap that there isnt much point in farting
>> around with the older crap that doesnt work.
>>
>>
>> The other consideration is that the best of DVD players will play
>> MPEG4s and AVIs etc and its well worth replacing DVD players that
>> dont with ones that do so you dont have to fart around converting
>> those to DVD format if you play those much.
>
> So I have to tell all my friends, relatives, strangers, etc. to buy
> new players because of their old incompatible DVD players? :(
Yep, thats what I have done.
Ant
Oh well. Thanks anyways.
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Rod Speed
> On 1/7/2009 12:39 AM PT, Rod Speed typed:
>
>>>>>>> SL DVD+/-RW is very readily available and the better DVD players
>>>>>>> handle them fine.
>>>>>> Always check the DVD players specs to be sure. If the box doesn't
>>>>>> have it listed on the side then go to the product's web site. Or
>>>>>> take one with you to the store and try it on a floor model.
>>>>> Yes, but this is not possible for people who already owned DVD
>>>>> players for years. Do all DVD players (even old and cheaper
>>>>> models) support SL DVDRs well?
>>>> Nope, particularly with the older ones.
>>>>
>>>> But then they are now so cheap that there isnt much point in
>>>> farting around with the older crap that doesnt work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The other consideration is that the best of DVD players will play
>>>> MPEG4s and AVIs etc and its well worth replacing DVD players that
>>>> dont with ones that do so you dont have to fart around converting
>>>> those to DVD format if you play those much.
>>> So I have to tell all my friends, relatives, strangers, etc. to buy
>>> new players because of their old incompatible DVD players? :(
>>
>> Yep, thats what I have done.
>
> Oh well. Thanks anyways.
More strictly I have done that with those who want more than just one or two DVDs.