DNS Management Packages?
Steve Fletty
Here at the University of Minnesota, we're currently using Qip (which we're
not happy with) to allow LAN admins around campus to manage their particular
domains and IP address ranges.
This distributed approach gets the day-to-day DNS stuff out of the
engineering group.
Is there any package, either commercial or otherwise, which addresses this
sort of non-centralized DNS managment?
I haven't kept up on what's out there in terms of management packages. I'm
just starting to look into options and would appreciate any info.
--
Steve Fletty
fle...@umn.edu
Steve Fletty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Larson" <macosx...@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: DNS Management Packages?
> On Jan 5, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Steve Fletty wrote:
>
>> Is anyone doing distributed management of their DNS?
>>
>> Here at the University of Minnesota, we're currently using Qip (which
>> we're
>> not happy with) to allow LAN admins around campus to manage their
>> particular
>> domains and IP address ranges.
>>
>> This distributed approach gets the day-to-day DNS stuff out of the
>> engineering group.
>>
>> Is there any package, either commercial or otherwise, which addresses
>> this
>> sort of non-centralized DNS managment?
>
> I'm curious, what features/capabilities are you looking for?
>
> If you were to identify what you need then maybe someone, or some company,
> could address your concerns. I'm sure that this is NOT an issue isolated
> to just your group, which means that this is a more common problem that
> may have a could/should be addressed by someone.
>
> Bill Larson
Qip allows us to delegate managemant of a domian(s) and subnet(s) to a LAN
admin(s). They are then responsbile for all their own day to day DNS
changes. Qip does this pretty well. I won't go into it's many other system
flaws.
My questions was, among other DNS mangement packages, which of them solve
the distributed managment prolbem, where you have many admins around your
organization who make changes on their stuff?
I don't want a package that looks at the world only from a highly
centralized viewpoint, where you have a handful of super users who make all
the changes.
Bill Larson
Bill Larson
eulogio...@gmail.com
domains and/or directories for each user. Works great.
Janne Liimatainen
> Here at the University of Minnesota, we're currently using Qip (which we're
> not happy with) to allow LAN admins around campus to manage their particular
> domains and IP address ranges.
>
> This distributed approach gets the day-to-day DNS stuff out of the
> engineering group.
>
> Is there any package, either commercial or otherwise, which addresses this
> sort of non-centralized DNS managment?
Commercially there's at least Namesurfer from Nixu, www.namesurfer.com.
Quite a bit lighter than QIP.
Regards,
Janne
Chip Mefford
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Umm,
There is webmin
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Erik Freitag
> |
> |
> |>Here at the University of Minnesota, we're currently using Qip
> (which
> we're
> |>not happy with) to allow LAN admins around campus to manage their
> particular
> |>domains and IP address ranges.
> |>
> |>This distributed approach gets the day-to-day DNS stuff out of the
> |>engineering group.
> |>
> |>Is there any package, either commercial or otherwise, which
> his
> |>sort of non-centralized DNS managment?
May I ask why UMN is not happy with QIP?
Janne Liimatainen
> | Quite a bit lighter than QIP.
> |
> | Regards,
> | Janne
>
> Umm,
>
> There is webmin
Yes, that was mentioned already earlier.
Also these are worth mentioning, though they like to manage DHCP also.
In no particular order:
Sauron, http://sauron.jyu.fi/
Maintain, http://osuosl.org/projects/maintain
Netreg, http://www.net.cmu.edu/netreg/
Regards,
Janne
Erik Freitag
d.ne...@comcast.net
There are about 80 different vendors out there. Of these the enterprise level packages I've seen include:
InControl by INS (aquired Diamond IP)
QIP by Lucent
CNR by Cisco
NetID by Nortel
QIP is pretty comprehensive but rigid and nearing end of life. CNR was an aquired product and limited in scope. NetID has many features but lacks in areas and is similarly at end of life. After the big bust Lucent, Cisco, and Nortel are all more focused on hardware and their core areas. InControl is pretty comprehensive and early in its lifecycle. It incorporates lessons learned, being created by the some of the core engineers from Quadritek, the founders of QIP. The down side is it's a smaller organization. So if the 'big blue' type mentality reigns, it can be difficult to move in for political reasons. Overall though it is a technically superior solution. There are many other solutions, but they tend to facilitate individual DNS and DHCP management and do not provide comprehensive network block, device, and IP management.
I hope that helps
Thanks
--
Daniel L. Needles
OSS Principal Consultant
wk/ph 916.276.9688
-------------- Original message --------------
> Is anyone doing distributed management of their DNS?
>
> Here at the University of Minnesota, we're currently using Qip (which we're
> not happy with) to allow LAN admins around campus to manage their particular
> domains and IP address ranges.
>
> This distributed approach gets the day-to-day DNS stuff out of the
> engineering group.
>
> Is there any package, either commercial or otherwise, which addresses this
> sort of non-centralized DNS managment?
>
Steve Fletty
At what scale are people using webmin? Anyone with hundreds of LAN admins
each responsible for their piece of the DNS pie?
I've often been disappointed with the limitations of those "free" tools.
That and the usually crappy documentation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janne Liimatainen" <je...@arabuusimiehet.com>
To: "Chip Mefford" <c...@well.com>
Cc: "Steve Fletty" <fle...@umn.edu>; <bind-...@isc.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: DNS Management Packages?
Alan V. Shackelford
It doesn't do the careful job I would do in keeping the zone data
files alphabetized and orderly. Big deal, right? Not really, but it
was a sad day when all those years of diligent housekeeping began to
erode. It handles views well, and I enjoy using it.
My favorite by far was the MenandMice product, but it was way more
expensive than any other S/W I ever thought about buying, and the
bosses would not go for it. In those days it did not support views. I
don't know about today. But it was very nice.
--
Alan V. Shackelford ShakNet Mail & News
"One Net to rule them, one Net to find them,
One Net to bring them all and using Unix bind them"
Joe Quanaim
> Steve,
> There are about 80 different vendors out there. Of these the enterprise
> level packages I've seen include: InControl by INS (aquired Diamond IP)
> QIP by Lucent
> CNR by Cisco
> NetID by Nortel
>
> QIP is pretty comprehensive but rigid and nearing end of life.
QIP is not nearing end of life. It is actively developed and maintained.
Thanks,
Joe Quanaim.
Brzozowski, John Jason (John)
[JJB] Steve,
[JJB] There are about 80 different vendors out there. Of these
[JJB] the enterprise level \
[JJB] packages I've seen include: InControl by INS (aquired Diamond IP)
[JJB] QIP by Lucent
[JJB] CNR by Cisco
[JJB] NetID by Nortel
[JJB]
[JJB] QIP is pretty comprehensive but rigid and nearing end of
[JJB] life. CNR was an aquired \
[JJB] product and limited in scope. NetID has many features but
[JJB] lacks in areas and is \
[JJB] similarly at end of life. After the big bust Lucent,
[JJB] Cisco, and Nortel are all more \
[JJB] focused on hardware and their core areas. InControl is
[JJB] pretty comprehensive and early \
[JJB] in its lifecycle. It incorporates lessons learned, being
[JJB] created by the some of the \
[JJB] core engineers from Quadritek, the founders of QIP. The
[JJB] down side is it's a smaller \
[JJB] organization. So if the 'big blue' type mentality reigns,
[JJB] it can be difficult to move \
[JJB] in for political reasons. Overall though it is a
[JJB] technically superior solution. \
[JJB] There are many other solutions, but they tend to
[JJB] facilitate individual DNS and DHCP \
[JJB] management and do not provide comprehensive network
[JJB] block, device, and IP management.
[JJB]
[JJB] I hope that helps
[JJB]
[JJB] Thanks
[JJB] --
[JJB] Daniel L. Needles
[JJB] OSS Principal Consultant
[JJB] wk/ph 916.276.9688
[JJB]
[JJB] -------------- Original message --------------
[JJB]
[JJB] > Is anyone doing distributed management of their DNS?
[JJB] >
[JJB] > Here at the University of Minnesota, we're currently
[JJB] using Qip (which we're
[JJB] > not happy with) to allow LAN admins around campus to
[JJB] manage their particular
[JJB] > domains and IP address ranges.
[JJB] >
[JJB] > This distributed approach gets the day-to-day DNS stuff
[JJB] out of the
[JJB] > engineering group.
[JJB] >
[JJB] > Is there any package, either commercial or otherwise,
[JJB] which addresses this
[JJB] > sort of non-centralized DNS managment?
[JJB] >
[JJB] > I haven't kept up on what's out there in terms of
[JJB] management packages. I'm
[JJB] > just starting to look into options and would appreciate
[JJB] any info.
[JJB] >
[JJB] > --
[JJB] > Steve Fletty
[JJB] > fle...@umn.edu
[JJB] >
[JJB] >
[JJB]
[JJB] ============================================
[JJB] John Jason Brzozowski
[JJB] Lucent Technologies
[JJB] 610.722.7979
[JJB] jjbrzo...@lucent.com
[JJB] ============================================
[JJB]
James Philpott
I'm answering with a bit of self interest here but Meta IP from
MetaInfo, where I work, is a full featured and stable solution for DNS
(& DHCP) administration that works well from very large and disparate
DNS installations down to small Ma & Pa Kettle networks. We've been at
it for 6 years and it is a full fledged IP Address Management (IPAM)
solution.
Here's a link to an IP address management study done annually by
Forrester in which we are included along with several ones not mentioned
to you previously in this thread. I provide it not only because it makes
us look good but because it is an independent evaluation of many of the
IPAM solutions in the market today. (My apologies but you will have to
register to download as that is our agreement with Forrester. Your
contact information will not be given to anyone other than MetaInfo.)
http://www.metainfo.com/index.cfm/fa/contact/src/Forrester_IP_Address_Management_June_2004.pdf
I'll not editorialize here but will point you to our website and ask you
to give me a call if I can be of any assistance.
Take Care,
James Philpott
Professional Services
MetaInfo - Secure IP Foundation
119 South Main Street, Suite 200
Seattle, WA 98104
Office - 206-674-3761
FAX - 206-674-3800
www.metainfo.com
d.ne...@comcast.net wrote:
> Steve,
> There are about 80 different vendors out there. Of these the enterprise level packages I've seen include:
> InControl by INS (aquired Diamond IP)
> QIP by Lucent
> CNR by Cisco
> NetID by Nortel
>
> QIP is pretty comprehensive but rigid and nearing end of life. CNR was an aquired product and limited in scope. NetID has many features but lacks in areas and is similarly at end of life. After the big bust Lucent, Cisco, and Nortel are all more focused on hardware and their core areas. InControl is pretty comprehensive and early in its lifecycle. It incorporates lessons learned, being created by the some of the core engineers from Quadritek, the founders of QIP. The down side is it's a smaller organization. So if the 'big blue' type mentality reigns, it can be difficult to move in for political reasons. Overall though it is a technically superior solution. There are many other solutions, but they tend to facilitate individual DNS and DHCP management and do not provide comprehensive network block, device, and IP management.
>
> I hope that helps
>
> Thanks
> --
> Daniel L. Needles
> OSS Principal Consultant
> wk/ph 916.276.9688
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
>
>>Is anyone doing distributed management of their DNS?
>>
>>Here at the University of Minnesota, we're currently using Qip (which we're
>>not happy with) to allow LAN admins around campus to manage their particular
>>domains and IP address ranges.
>>
>>This distributed approach gets the day-to-day DNS stuff out of the
>>engineering group.
>>
>>Is there any package, either commercial or otherwise, which addresses this
>>sort of non-centralized DNS managment?
>>
>>I haven't kept up on what's out there in terms of management packages. I'm