Anyone used MedVed? Comments?
Desperate
Hell, you will be really surprized.
Let's return to this discussion after that.
As it was said, other things in quotetracker are great.
Everything like in real hell ;-(.
med...@shore.net wrote:
> netAcc <net...@netacc.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Crunchy Frog wrote:
> >
> >> I just tried it for the first time today. It seems to do EVERYTHING
> >> better than any of the brokers' tools (realtime quotes, charts, news,
> >> etc.). Is there anything else like it out there? Are there any known
> >> problems with it (security, etc.)?
> >
> >
> > All is fine ...
> > besides it's fried all the time
> > in privacy newsgroups.
> > People call it spyware
>
> People may "call" it anything - if you go to http://www.quotetracker.com
> and click on the Privacy menu link you will see described in detail
> exactly what the program sends out - which can easily be verified by
> anyone. So far out of all the paranoiac accusers not one managed to find
> anything untoward that the program did - and many tried.
Jerry Medved
what we send out, what we DON'T send out and the small amount of info that
we track in aggregate. If there is something specific that you would like
to bring to our attention, we are would be glad to hear it - post here or
email us.
Jerry Medved
2GK, Inc.
http://www.quotetracker.com
Desperate wrote in message <3A4C5B29...@AddressWrong.net>...
Harry Krause
>
> What exactly do you find surprising in our privacy policy? We state exactly
> what we send out, what we DON'T send out and the small amount of info that
> we track in aggregate. If there is something specific that you would like
> to bring to our attention, we are would be glad to hear it - post here or
> email us.
>
> Jerry Medved
> 2GK, Inc.
> http://www.quotetracker.com
All I get at the aforementioned site is a completely blank page.
Must be something wild and wooly going on there for it to be totally blocked.
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>
> All I get at the aforementioned site is a completely blank page.
> Must be something wild and wooly going on there for it to be
totally blocked.
>
Jacob Ashbury
Does your service have commodity (grains, etc.) reporting as well?
From what I'm looking at your service looks good.
Jake-
"Jerry Medved" <je...@medved.net> wrote in message
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Jerry Medved
frames, there is nothing at all unusual about it. If you are having a
problem accessing it, you may want to check your browser settings because
nobody else is having that problem. You can also try the mirror site at
http://www.medved.net/quotetracker
Jerry
Harry Krause wrote in message <3A4E48AC...@capu.net>...
Jerry Medved
You should be able to track commidities if the quote source you select
supports them. CBS and Yahoo may have this info. (I am not that familiar
with Commodities). If none of the sites in QT support the quotes you want,
but you know of a site that does, let us know and we will see if we can add
it as a quote source.
Jerry Medved
2GK, Inc.
http://www.quotetracker.com
Jacob Ashbury wrote in message <92llbm$a3u$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>...
Jacob Ashbury
From what little I have seen of your program it is "slick." I have no
problems with the advertising nits as mentioned earlier in this thread- I am
glad they were brought up, otherwise I may not have cared enough to find
what looks like a great program.
Jake-
"Jerry Medved" <je...@medved.net> wrote in message
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Desperate
Jerry Medved wrote:
> What exactly do you find surprising in our privacy policy? We state exactly
> what we send out, what we DON'T send out and the small amount of info that
> we track in aggregate. If there is something specific that you would like
> to bring to our attention, we are would be glad to hear it - post here or
> email us.
>
> Jerry Medved
> 2GK, Inc.
> http://www.quotetracker.com
>
Picture this.
Imagine you need some software to use with Quotetracker
from my company and the only way how I'd sell it to you
is .... with permanent connection to my trusted servers
(in Las Vegas desert and bear forests in Russia, my
programmers work there). Would you buy it?
My software automatically upgrades, sorry, you can not control this.
And encrypts its communication, sorry, you can not see what it sends/receives.
And when I'll sell it to you it will contact my servers each time you
launch your software to check if you not disseminated it to your
friends (I can't trust people, they try to crack my software in masses).
Deal ? Its free or almost free ..!
Why not ? I say all openly in my privacy policy (though I know nobody reads it).
Are you afraid that me or somebody else will track your habits ?
Or due to automatic upgrades and encryption
I can any time in seconds substitute in my code all suspitious pictures of
Russian Bear with nice faces of Teddy Bear or Vinnie Pooh?
Why you can't trust me like you trust your online brocker
who warrants your funds ? Look, we all are good people.
Sorry, I can't give you any warranties and I'm of course free
of any obligations if you choose using my code.
But all do that way now, right?
So, deal or not ?
med...@shore.net
The onlyfiles that are auto-updated are some essential data files.
The executable update and update of other data files requires explicit
action on the user's side. And, basically, you're right - if you don't
trust the program, don't use it - and that goes for any program you
use.
Desperate
Seeeeee, he doesn't buy from me my questionable software.
He reasonably afraids !
med...@shore.net wrote:
>
> The onlyfiles that are auto-updated are some essential data files.
> The executable update and update of other data files requires explicit
> action on the user's side.
Can you popularly explain to this friendly public why during upgrade
you can substitute file AB in directory C
and you even potentially *can not* substitute file DEF.dll or any other
in directory Winnt\system32 ?
You can potentially upgrade everything on my computer you want.
I have no mechanism to stop you.
Soooooo..., who controls my computer, me of Siberian Bear?
> And, basically, you're right - if you don't
> trust the program, don't use it - and that goes for any program you
> use.
Can you popularly explain why you specifically deserve to be trusted?
To all of us you are just one more middleman, which change with speed of light.
Again did you offered us $100K security protection plan from fraud and other problems ?
QT licence checking by connection to your servers each time I start QT
proves that you don't trust even people who gave you their credit cards by paying
for QT ad, right?
This security/privacy measures become particularly critical since
QT beta offers trading online. Anyone wants every bear in the forest
to know your personal and financial data?
I'm not trolling. I do not call QT spyware because QT made
hard to prove this. But despite I touted QT before I now
stopped to use it after reading privacy policy (you track QT use
and can easily check this for registered users, right? ;-)
And I understand that you do not care about 1% because
of rest 99% of people do not read privacy policy and you will
still be fishing your salmon in fast waters. Nevcrtheless
I will repeat my proposal, it is simple as 2 x 2.
When customer pays you fee,
1) leave him decide if he wants automatic upgrades.
2) leave him decide if he wants tracking with your servers
for QT validation at start.
In this case I'll NOT NEED ANYMORE TO TRUST YOU.
I will just put QT behind firewall or packet sniffer to report
every step aside of my realy trusted sites. That's it.
med...@shore.net
>
> He reasonably afraids !
>
>
> med...@shore.net wrote:
>
>>
>> The onlyfiles that are auto-updated are some essential data files.
>> The executable update and update of other data files requires explicit
>> action on the user's side.
>
>
> Can you popularly explain to this friendly public why during upgrade
> you can substitute file AB in directory C
> and you even potentially *can not* substitute file DEF.dll or any other
> in directory Winnt\system32 ?
Huh? And any program with or without updates can "potentially" destroy
your hard disk. And your point is?
> You can potentially upgrade everything on my computer you want.
> I have no mechanism to stop you.
You have no mechanism to stop any program from doing anything it wants.
And your point is?
> Soooooo..., who controls my computer, me of Siberian Bear?
The programs you run control your computer. Surprise surprise.
>> And, basically, you're right - if you don't
>> trust the program, don't use it - and that goes for any program you
>> use.
>
> Can you popularly explain why you specifically deserve to be trusted?
> To all of us you are just one more middleman, which change with speed of light.
> Again did you offered us $100K security protection plan from fraud and other problems ?
No specific reason. But if you want users' opinions, come to the
tech support forum at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/medvedquotetracker
and ask them.
> QT licence checking by connection to your servers each time I start QT
> proves that you don't trust even people who gave you their credit cards by paying
> for QT ad, right?
Absolutely. There is a keygen out there and around 30 people a day
try to use it. The checking prevents them from doing that.
> This security/privacy measures become particularly critical since
> QT beta offers trading online. Anyone wants every bear in the forest
> to know your personal and financial data?
Again, if you don't trust - don't use. I won't mind - there are
a lot more satisfied users than there are paranoiacs. We document
everything being sent to our servers, it is always sent in clear
text, and anyone who distrusts QT can monitor those transmissions
for himself.
> I'm not trolling. I do not call QT spyware because QT made
> hard to prove this. But despite I touted QT before I now
> stopped to use it after reading privacy policy (you track QT use
> and can easily check this for registered users, right? ;-)
No, can't. The registration check is not stored on our servers -
unless it detects fraudulent registration.
> And I understand that you do not care about 1% because
> of rest 99% of people do not read privacy policy and you will
> still be fishing your salmon in fast waters. Nevcrtheless
> I will repeat my proposal, it is simple as 2 x 2.
I encourage people to read the privacy policy. It is one click
away from our main page, and the link is in big friendly letters.
> When customer pays you fee,
> 1) leave him decide if he wants automatic upgrades.
> 2) leave him decide if he wants tracking with your servers
> for QT validation at start.
I explained why we do registration validation - it is because of
keygens (and becase of several users who paid, then released the
registration codes to thousands of users who then tried to use
them). As for upgrades - some are required, because the sites that
QT gets info from change constantly and QT has to change with them,
and if those upgrades were not automatic, the volume of tech. support
email would increase dramatically to the point where we couldn't deal
with it. The non-critical updates are not automatic.
> In this case I'll NOT NEED ANYMORE TO TRUST YOU.
> I will just put QT behind firewall or packet sniffer to report
> every step aside of my realy trusted sites. That's it.
Go ahead and sniff QT - you won't find anything objectionable.
Lots of people have done that - none have complained further.
LShapingAtWhateverISP
> The programs you run control your computer. Surprise surprise.
Bullshit. I control my computer.
LShaping
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