VueScan & PhotoSmart
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because the original HP software does not allow me to scan slide strips.
The first three strips (batch) went OK, then without changing anything (that
is, except the strip) it started to get crazy.
Current situation: when I scan a strip of 6 frames (35mm standard), batch
list set on 1-3, I get frames 3, 4 and 5 (1 being the one I insert first). I
even got one scan with all six frames.
Has anybody had similar problems? If I could manage to scan all 6 frames,
would that endanger the film (HP scans only 4 frames).
And is there anything that interacts with VueScan to make it crash my
Windows 2000? I kept the PC running for weeks (between Microsoft fixes), now
it is more a matter of hours before it decides to reboot itself (only with
VueScan active).
Of course, I have already tried to delete the ini file, run the HP software
before VueScan
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Bryan
However, if you have mostly 6-frame strips, I would set the PhotoSmart
to only scan 3 frames at a time and then reverse the strip for the
other three. There is a Registry entry that you have to change to set
the number of frames scanned. You can find help for this on Steve
Hoffmann's web page:
http://www.sphoto.com/techinfo/s20.html#Specifications
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That is what I had done for the first three strips (scan 3 and reverse), but
it went havoc after that
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Tim O'Connor
> I have purchased (after checking it recognised the scanner...) VueScan
> because the original HP software does not allow me to scan slide strips.
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but I have the original SCSI model, and that one does not have the feature.
Would the S20 soft work with that one too? Is there any online source?
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Tim O'Connor
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> Plain 24*36 shots. Looks like the software for the PhotoSmart S20 can do
it,
> but I have the original SCSI model, and that one does not have the
feature.
> Would the S20 soft work with that one too? Is there any online source?
http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/eng/software_drivers.htm
and search for S20.
I think it should work with the older SCSI model.
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I was so accustomed to HP not publishing its software on the web that I
never went and took a look.
I am downloading the 70 MB driver. I will post to the group to tell if it
works with the old model.
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Tim O'Connor
"ventre-à-pattes" <eric@ventre-a-pattes point com> wrote in message
> Thanks Tim
> I was so accustomed to HP not publishing its software on the web that I
> never went and took a look.
> I am downloading the 70 MB driver. I will post to the group to tell if it
> works with the old model.
I have no idea why it needs to be that large.
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>
> > I am downloading the 70 MB driver. I will post to the group to tell if
it works with the old model.
> Yes, nice of them to have 70 meg download :-)
>
> I have no idea why it needs to be that large.
>
Neither do I, especially when contemplating the results. I have not been
able to save one scan (farthest I went is crop two slides), the program
regularly loses the scanner, and it crashes the PC (Windows 2000!) even more
than VueScan did.
Gary Hundt
> I have purchased (after checking it recognised the scanner...) VueScan
> because the original HP software does not allow me to scan slide strips.
> The first three strips (batch) went OK, then without changing anything (that
> is, except the strip) it started to get crazy.
There might be several things going on to make things confusing when
using the Batch mode. The craziest (the one that drives me the
craziest when it happens, at least) is that if you have Batch mode
turned on and press Preview, Vuescan will spin its wheels repeatedly
scanning the strip as many times as you have numbers listed in the
Batch List. And if you've specified individual rotations in your batch
list, your previews will be dutifully rotated as specified each time
as well! Is this what you're seeing?
(I personally think this is a bug - Vuescan should only do one preview
scan of the strip no matter the Batch mode setting - second best would
be for Vuescan to turn of Batch mode at the end of the batch scan so I
wouldn't have to remember to do it manually each time to avoid this
insanity. This issue is probably somewhere on Ed's to-do list since I
complain about it every chance I get!)
Ok, this may not be your problem - in which case, maybe you can
describe exactly what seems to happen in a bit more detail.
> Current situation: when I scan a strip of 6 frames (35mm standard), batch
> list set on 1-3, I get frames 3, 4 and 5 (1 being the one I insert first).
Notice that the scan actually happens as the strip is moved back out,
so that the first frame scanned is the one on the opposite end from
the one you inserted first, except that apparently five frames is the
max that it will draw in (because 6 won't fit into the scanner - would
crash the leading end into the back of the scanner), so that the first
frame scanned of a 6-frame strip will be 5, then 4, then 3 (assuming
you've inserted the strip oriented so the frame you call 1 is inserted
first).
Further, notice that when the preview is displayed on the screen, the
strip is essentially rotated 180 degrees from the orientation in the
scanner - so the top frame is the first frame scanned - frame 5 in
your example (assuming you haven't specified some other rotation in
Vuescan).
BTW, I usually orient my strips the other way into the scanner (high
number first), this way ascending numbers on the negative will
correspond to ascending numbers you would enter on the batch list (and
at least the way I normally hold my camera, portrait-oriented shots
will end up right-way up in the preview without rotation - I would do
a "left" rotation to properly orient landscape images.
(I say "usually", because I had one point&shoot camera that loaded the
film into the camera "upside down" (cartridge on the right), so the
numbers and film codes on the neg would be upside down relative to a
landscape image orientation.)
I don't think Slide strips would be treated any differently from
negative strips by Vuescan in terms of scanning sequence and
orientation.
> I even got one scan with all six frames.
Have you been able to repeat this?
>
> Has anybody had similar problems? If I could manage to scan all 6 frames,
> would that endanger the film (HP scans only 4 frames).
The suggestions others in this thread gave is what I would do too.
Wouldn't be as convenient - you'll have to contend with two different
sets of rotations, and scan sequences relative to the sequence on the
strip. For this reason maybe I'd end up scanning 5 frames in my
"preferred orientation", then reverse the film for the odd-frame out
(be it the "first" or the "last" frame on the strip - that would
depend... in my case, due to the way I orient my camera and the way
the film oriented in my camera, it would be the "first" frame on the
strip that would be the odd one.)
> And is there anything that interacts with VueScan to make it crash my
> Windows 2000? I kept the PC running for weeks (between Microsoft fixes), now
> it is more a matter of hours before it decides to reboot itself (only with
> VueScan active).
>
> Of course, I have already tried to delete the ini file, run the HP software
> before VueScan
Depending on the resolution of your preview scans, you might be
running out of room on your hard disk for windows' cache file, maybe?
-Gary
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scanner is a C5100A SCSI (the original PhotoSmart) and I have followed a tip
and installed the HP software for the S10. It seemed to work briefly (I
could preview and crop, but it crashed before I could save). And VueScan now
crashes beautifully again and again (ending the application does not end the
vuescan.exe task nor release the memory, and Windows 2000 reboots after a
few minutes for no discernable reason).
The best I can do is explain what the problem was with the frames and the
batch. I do not care about the way they are numbered, I am ready to rename
them afterwards. But (calling 1 the one that enters the scanner first) I
expected 1-3 or 1-4 or 1-5 to be scanned, but certainly not 2-4! This is
what happened, meaning that I can never get the first and last frames of a
6-frame strip (number 1 is skipped, and number 6 should not enter the
scanner).
I think all I can do now is uninstall everything, reinstall the old HP
software and start scanning mounted slides for half an hour per roll. I am
leaving day after tomorrow, and I had hoped I could leave my holiday slides
unmounted to batch-scan them fast and easy. Forget it...
Thanks to all who have helped or tried to.
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Gary Hundt
> I had begun to log everything I did, but it is now worse than ever.
File tab? this could indeed make things worse if you are already short
on disk space.
>The
> scanner is a C5100A SCSI (the original PhotoSmart) and I have followed a tip
> and installed the HP software for the S10. It seemed to work briefly (I
> could preview and crop, but it crashed before I could save). And VueScan now
> crashes beautifully again and again (ending the application does not end the
> vuescan.exe task nor release the memory, and Windows 2000 reboots after a
> few minutes for no discernable reason).
This sure sounds like a lack of disk space - maybe combined with a bad
disk sector that causes havoc when the system tries to use it? You
need to resolve this problem first!
> The best I can do is explain what the problem was with the frames and the
> batch. I do not care about the way they are numbered, I am ready to rename
> them afterwards.
It may help you to understand what is going on by caring how Vuescan
numbers the frames, which is the exact opposite from the way you are
numbering them :-)
> But (calling 1 the one that enters the scanner first) I
> expected 1-3 or 1-4 or 1-5 to be scanned, but certainly not 2-4!
OK, this description differs somewhat from your earlier one, where you
said:
> Current situation: when I scan a strip of 6 frames (35mm standard), batch
> list set on 1-3, I get frames 3, 4 and 5 (1 being the one I insert first).
Did you maybe follow Bryan's tip about changing the registry entry
setting for the maximum number of frames scanned, so that now four is
the max whereas before it was five? Because it now sounds like
Photosmart is only drawing in four frames whereas before it was
drawing in five, before starting to scan. What number do you have for
"Y images" on the Crop tab?
At any rate, let's analyze these two scenario's one at a time, step by
step.
Scenario 1 (Y-Images = 5):
> Current situation: when I scan a strip of 6 frames (35mm standard), batch
> list set on 1-3, I get frames 3, 4 and 5 (1 being the one I insert first).
Your number 1 is Vuescan's number 5 and Vuescans number 1 is your
number 5!
So when you specified a batch list of "1-3" to Vuescan, that
translates to your numbers "5-3". To see why, review my last message
to you, where I describe how the scanner only draws in the "first" 5
frames of your 6-frame strip, then scans "on the way out", thus first
scanning the frame you call 5 which Vuescan considers to be 1, then
scans the frame you call 4 that vuescan calls 2, and finally, your
frame 3 or Vuescans frame 3. Vuescan is then done since you told it
via the list to scan frames "1-3" which translate to your frames
"5-3".
Scenario 2 (Y-Images = 4?):
> But (calling 1 the one that enters the scanner first) I
> expected 1-3 or 1-4 or 1-5 to be scanned, but certainly not 2-4!
Your number 1 is now Vuescan's number 4. The batch list spec of "1-3"
translates to your numbers "4-2".
> This is
> what happened, meaning that I can never get the first and last frames of a
> 6-frame strip (number 1 is skipped, and number 6 should not enter the
> scanner).
If you change your batch list spec to "1-4" or "1-5" (depending on
which "scenario" you have), you should be able to get to your frame 1
(Vuescan's frame 4 or 5, depending on scenario)
> I think all I can do now is uninstall everything, reinstall the old HP
> software and start scanning mounted slides for half an hour per roll.
I don't think that will solve your problem. You might first check your
available disk space - clear out some garbage scans maybe? and that
log file unless you want to send it to Ed, and run a scandisk or
otherwise troubleshoot your system problem.
You might also try scanning at a lower resolution - at least to see
whether you still have system problems then. Also, try un-checking
the "external viewer" box on the prefs tab. Is Photoshop or other big
graphic editor loading whenever you do a scan?
> I am
> leaving day after tomorrow, and I had hoped I could leave my holiday slides
> unmounted to batch-scan them fast and easy. Forget it...
OK, maybe you just need to change the way you use Vuescan. Here's what
I'd recommend for "fast & easy":
Dont use the batch list feature. Instead, on the Device tab: set batch
mode off, set frame number to 5 (This will be your frame 1, assuming
scenario 1 is current). Set rotation as needed. Check the "scan from
preview" box. Set AutoEject to Exit. Set both scan & preview
resolution to the same value (usually no higher than 1200 is optimal -
2400 really doesn't gain you that much more on this scanner, in my
opinion, lower that 1200 if you're just making jpg's for the screen
anyway, unless you use size reduction of 2 or 4 on the files tab). On
the Crop tab, make sure Y-images is set to 5. Set up the files tab to
produce the output that you want. On the Prefs tab, uncheck External
Viewer.
OK, that was a lot of setup work, and before you actually do the
scans, you might want to exit & reenter Vuescan just to "save" these
settings to the ini file. (It also avoids another confusing Vuescan
"feature" if you've specified a new folder for your files - it seems
that Vuescan sometimes ignores the change unless you exit and re-start
Vuescan.)
OK, ready? instert the strip, press Preview. Tweak the cropping on the
active frame (this will be the Device|framenumber that I had you set
to 5 above, which would be your frame 1.) Now press Scan. Check
explorer to verify that your output file is produced (If it doesn't
seem to be, see "Note" below).
Now change Device|framenumber to 4, tweak the new active crop box,
press scan.
Change Device|framenumber to 3. Scan. Next, frame 2. scan. Finally,
frame 1, scan.
Now eject the strip, Set framenumber back to 5, change your rotation
to 180 of what it was, reinsert the strip to your original frame 6 is
now your frame 1, press preview, tweak the crop rectangle, scan. exect
the strip.
To scan the next strip, set framenumber back to 5, repeat steps from
"OK ready? above.
Note: if you couldn't fine output file where you expected it - what
you specified as default folder, first check to see whether its in
whatever the default folder was when you first started Vuescan. Note
that Vuescan will not create a new folder for you. Moreover, even if
you subsequently create the new folder before you actually use it,
Vuescan won't "recognize" it, unless you first exit vuescan & restart
it. That's Just one of those Vuescan "features".
> Thanks to all who have helped or tried to.
Well, I hope this will help :-) good luck!
-gary
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so much information that I could not leave it at that.
Lack of disk space could not, I have some 9 GB free, fragmentation was OK,
but the old trusted chkdsk found something wrong on the NTFS volume.
Retried VueScan thereafter, it still freezes, BUT the HP software is now
working. At least, I will be able to leave my shots in strip form, scan
them, and mount them afterwards.
Gary, thanks a lot for this.
As for VueScan, I will give it a try again when I am back, but since I can
now scan slide strips, I do not really need it anymore.
Gary Hundt
SNIP
> I think all I can do now is uninstall everything, reinstall the old HP
> software and start scanning mounted slides for half an hour per roll. I am
> leaving day after tomorrow, and I had hoped I could leave my holiday slides
> unmounted to batch-scan them fast and easy. Forget it...
Well, to scan them as mounted slides, you'll first have to cut them,
so why not first try cutting that problem 6-frame strip in half, leave
your batch list as-is ("1-3" as you said), and scan them as you are
now. This way you'll get exactly what you want!
-Gary