SCSI scanner, Adaptec card, Windows

[David WE Roberts]

Does anyone have a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec card under Windows?

Just doing this, but not yet got it working.

First, at the start of boot time the Adaptec BIOS thingie cycles through the
SCSI IDs.
I don't see anything against SCSI 9 where the scanner is.
I used to on another system which had an external HDD.
Should I be seing something?
i.e. is the card not seeing the scanner?

Also, under Hardware Manager I can see the SCSI card but no sign of an
unknown SCSi device.
Should I see some device if there is a SCSI scanner which does not yet have
a driver installed?

Cheers

Dave R

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[Chris]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:22:57 +0100, "David WE Roberts"
<nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Does anyone have a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec card under Windows?
>
>Just doing this, but not yet got it working.
>

>

>Cheers
>
>Dave R

Not sure if this will help you, but I have an Acer Scanwit 2740 film
scanner attached to an Adaptec 19160 card running under Win 7 64 bit.
I'm using Vuescan and Vuescan drivers.

I don't usually have the scanner turned on at boot; I switch it on
later, then go into Device Manager, right-click on Imaging Devices,
and scan for hardware changes. (I think you could right-click on
storage devices, as well.)

The scanner then appears as 'SCSI Scanner' in imaging devices.

Chris.

[Bennett]

On 10/26/2011 1:22 AM, David WE Roberts wrote:
> Does anyone have a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec card under Windows?
>
> Just doing this, but not yet got it working.
>
> First, at the start of boot time the Adaptec BIOS thingie cycles through
> the SCSI IDs.
> I don't see anything against SCSI 9 where the scanner is.
> I used to on another system which had an external HDD.
> Should I be seing something?
> i.e. is the card not seeing the scanner?
>
> Also, under Hardware Manager I can see the SCSI card but no sign of an
> unknown SCSi device.
> Should I see some device if there is a SCSI scanner which does not yet
> have a driver installed?
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave R
>

Some things to try - change the scanner's scsi ID to something lower -
why is it set at 9? - most scsi cards just recognize 0-7. Make sure that
the termination is correct; you may have to make adjustments both on the
scanner and the card. Get the installation instructions from Adaptec for
your card. The scanner should be already be turned on when you start up
the PC.

[Rob]

Thats correct you can either load it at boot or scan in device manager.

[Rob]

There maybe be another small file missing which does not come with some
windows OS. Vuescan did mention it on there web site and had the file to
download.

I also think scsi can only see 7 devices (not 9)

Been so long since I ran SCSI devices.

[Splork]

The adaptec cards are usually set to device 7 and the scanner to device 6. The
scanner must be terminated as well as the scsi card being set to do so.

Some more elaborate adaptec cards can support 15 devices instead of 7

I have my hard drives above 7 and the scanner at 6. Some scanning software
supports different addresses.

Without termination on both ends of the bus, you are lost.

[J.R.Guthrie]

I've used the Adaptec USBExchange cable since Win 95 to connect my Canon
FS2710 scanner to my laptops -- but have become totally stumped in Windows 7
Home Premium 64.

Any suggestions?

Is there a Win 7/64 USB/SCSI Cable or a way to make the old one work?

Or do I have to carry a second laptop around?

Many Thanks!

Jim Guthrie

[Baerchen394]

Hi @ all,
first: please apologize my bad english (I'm german)!

@ Dave R
Yes, I have two scanners conected to an adaptec 2949UW running fine
under W7 ultimate 64 bit.
The scanners are: HP scanjet 8290 and Acer Scanwit 2740S

If you are still interested how to make these run, let me know and I
will send or post how I did this.

Greetings from Munich
Baerchen394

[David WE Roberts]

"Bennett" <bjp...@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
news:tYydnXlWnPPc6TDT...@giganews.com...

Late to respond, but thanks - this in correct.
Dumb bunny moment from me, in assuming that if the switch can be set to 9
then it is a valid address.
Set to my favourite SCSI ID of 2 and everything worked fine.

[Michael J Davis]

David WE Roberts <nos...@btinternet.com> was inspired to say

>
>"Bennett" <bjp...@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote in message news:tYydnXlWnPPc

>6TDTnZ2dnU...@giganews.com...

>> On 10/26/2011 1:22 AM, David WE Roberts wrote:
>>> Does anyone have a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec card under
>>>Windows?
>>>

>> Some things to try - change the scanner's scsi ID to something lower
>>- why is it set at 9? - most scsi cards just recognize 0-7. Make sure
>>that the termination is correct; you may have to make adjustments
>>both on the scanner and the card. Get the installation instructions
>>from Adaptec for your card. The scanner should be already be turned
>>on when you start up the PC.
>
>Late to respond, but thanks - this in correct.
>Dumb bunny moment from me, in assuming that if the switch can be set to
>9 then it is a valid address.
>Set to my favourite SCSI ID of 2 and everything worked fine.

Has anyone suggestions for a source of this connector? To connect a
Canonscan film scanner to a computor. (My old Win98 with scsi card is to
be retired!)

I've tried everywhere, and most places are out of stock / discontinued?

Thanks

Mike

--
Michael J Davis
<><

[Bennett]

What sort of connector/connection is on each end? Are you trying to
convert the Canon to USB? Why aren't you just getting a SCSI card for
your new computer? etc., etc.

[Michael J Davis]

Bennett <bjp...@cal.berkeley.edu> was inspired to say

>On 3/26/2012 4:16 AM, Michael J Davis wrote:
>> David WE Roberts<nos...@btinternet.com> was inspired to say
>>>
>>> "Bennett"<bjp...@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote in message news:tYydnXlWnPPc
>>> 6TDTnZ2dnU...@giganews.com...
>>>> On 10/26/2011 1:22 AM, David WE Roberts wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone have a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec card under
>>>>> Windows?
>>>>>
>>>> Some things to try - change the scanner's scsi ID to something lower
>>>> - why is it set at 9? - most scsi cards just recognize 0-7. Make sure
>>>> that the termination is correct; you may have to make adjustments
>>>> both on the scanner and the card. Get the installation instructions
>>> >from Adaptec for your card. The scanner should be already be turned
>>>> on when you start up the PC.
>>>
>>> Late to respond, but thanks - this in correct.
>>> Dumb bunny moment from me, in assuming that if the switch can be set to
>>> 9 then it is a valid address.
>>> Set to my favourite SCSI ID of 2 and everything worked fine.
>>
>> Has anyone suggestions for a source of this connector? To connect a
>> Canonscan film scanner to a computor. (My old Win98 with scsi card is to
>> be retired!)
>>
>> I've tried everywhere, and most places are out of stock / discontinued?
>>

>What sort of connector/connection is on each end? Are you trying to
>convert the Canon to USB? Why aren't you just getting a SCSI card for
>your new computer? etc., etc.

Thanks for replying, Bennett.

Um, those are good questions...

1) I think the card I have fitted is an old style card, different from
the smaller cards in newer computers. I need to check that out, though.
Partly, I guess, is that I've never heard of anyone running SCSI with
XP.

2) The CanoScan 2730 came with the card, IIRC. I just assumed that USB
was the new type of serial bus. It was only reading this thread that
made me realise that it may be possible to adapt USB serial port to
SCSI. So I started looking around for an adaptor.

Sorry, I'm not a computer expert, merely a user....

Since I'm planning on a new computer to run some more serious photo
software, I'll check out whether I can use the old SCSI card on my XP
Pro set up first. - I'll do this over the Easter weekend, and refer back
here.

Thanks again for your response.

[Rob]

Most people who ran SCSI did use XP.

There are SCSI cards out there which fit PCI slots with USB like ports.
or find a Motherboard which has SCSI onboard.

One question what motherboard are you running on you computer as it may
have SCSI socket on board.

If you find a SCSI card secondhand make sure it will run your scanner
and that it was not packages with some other SCSI hardware as a
dedicated card.

SCSI is a lot better than USB.

What ever you decide I may have a spare S/H card you can have for the
cost of postage. Ill have a look and see whats there.

[Michael J Davis]

Rob <mesa...@gmail.com> was inspired to say

>Most people who ran SCSI did use XP.
>
>There are SCSI cards out there which fit PCI slots with USB like ports.
>or find a Motherboard which has SCSI onboard.
>
>One question what motherboard are you running on you computer as it may
>have SCSI socket on board.
>
>If you find a SCSI card secondhand make sure it will run your scanner
>and that it was not packages with some other SCSI hardware as a
>dedicated card.
>
>SCSI is a lot better than USB.
>
>What ever you decide I may have a spare S/H card you can have for the
>cost of postage. Ill have a look and see whats there.
>

Thanks, Rob. I'll have to check this out over Easter. Thank you for the
offer.

Mike
--
Michael J Davis

http://www.fluidr.com/photos/watchman/

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altering life by holding it still. - Dorothea Lange
<><

[David WE Roberts]

"Michael J Davis" <mjdu...@trustsof.co.uk> wrote in message
news:JQKgO3AS...@trustsof.co.uk...

> David WE Roberts <nos...@btinternet.com> was inspired to say
>>
>>"Bennett" <bjp...@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote in message news:tYydnXlWnPPc
>>6TDTnZ2dnU...@giganews.com...
>>> On 10/26/2011 1:22 AM, David WE Roberts wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have a SCSI scanner connected to an Adaptec card under
>>>>Windows?
>>>>
>>> Some things to try - change the scanner's scsi ID to something lower
>>>- why is it set at 9? - most scsi cards just recognize 0-7. Make sure
>>>that the termination is correct; you may have to make adjustments
>>>both on the scanner and the card. Get the installation instructions
>>>from Adaptec for your card. The scanner should be already be turned
>>>on when you start up the PC.
>>
>>Late to respond, but thanks - this in correct.
>>Dumb bunny moment from me, in assuming that if the switch can be set to
>>9 then it is a valid address.
>>Set to my favourite SCSI ID of 2 and everything worked fine.

>******************

> Has anyone suggestions for a source of this connector? To connect a
> Canonscan film scanner to a computor. (My old Win98 with scsi card is to
> be retired!)
>
> I've tried everywhere, and most places are out of stock / discontinued?

What kind of connector do you have at the PC end of your SCSI cable?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCSI_connector should help you sort this out.
Same or different from the one on the scanner?

I think it is possible that you will have the old Centronics style at both
ends at the moment, although the connections may be more modern.

Anyway, you need two things.

(1) A SCSI card which will fit your PC and is backward compatible with SCSI
I (one).
(2) A SCSI cable which matches the two ends - PC and scanner.

If you have an older style cable then you may have to buy a new cable or an
adaptor - neither of which are particularly cheap.
I am assuming you already have termination sorted out as this was running
with Win98.

In my case we bought a boxed Adaptec 29160N from (IIRC) eBay.
This has a 50 pin connection on the card.
Cables came with the scanner.

Worked fine with VueScan - you will need scanner drivers as well, of course,
for your chosen O/S and if they are not available then it is VueScan or
Linux.

Cheers

Dave R

[Michael J Davis]

Rob <mesa...@gmail.com> was inspired to say

>On 27/03/2012 8:25 AM, Michael J Davis wrote:
>> Thanks for replying, Bennett.
>>
>> Um, those are good questions...
>>
>> 1) I think the card I have fitted is an old style card, different from
>> the smaller cards in newer computers. I need to check that out, though.
>> Partly, I guess, is that I've never heard of anyone running SCSI with
>> XP.
>>
>> 2) The CanoScan 2730 came with the card, IIRC. I just assumed that USB
>> was the new type of serial bus. It was only reading this thread that
>> made me realise that it may be possible to adapt USB serial port to
>> SCSI. So I started looking around for an adaptor.
>>
>> Sorry, I'm not a computer expert, merely a user....
>>
>> Since I'm planning on a new computer to run some more serious photo
>> software, I'll check out whether I can use the old SCSI card on my XP
>> Pro set up first. - I'll do this over the Easter weekend, and refer back
>> here.
>

>Most people who ran SCSI did use XP.
>
>There are SCSI cards out there which fit PCI slots with USB like ports.
>or find a Motherboard which has SCSI onboard.
>
>One question what motherboard are you running on you computer as it may
>have SCSI socket on board.
>
>If you find a SCSI card secondhand make sure it will run your scanner
>and that it was not packages with some other SCSI hardware as a
>dedicated card.
>
>SCSI is a lot better than USB.
>
>What ever you decide I may have a spare S/H card you can have for the
>cost of postage. Ill have a look and see whats there.
>

Rob, thanks!

I've now investigated and found that my SCSI card *is* (well it looks
it) compatible with my later computer. Your kind offer for a card isn't
necessary, but much appreciated.

I've now some questions as to how to get it working with Win 7, which
I've addressed in a separate post in reply to David.

Thanks again!

Mike
--
Michael J Davis

http://www.fluidr.com/photos/watchman/

<><
"I never have taken a picture I've intended.
They're always better or worse."
Diane Arbus
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[Michael J Davis]

David WE Roberts <nos...@btinternet.com> was inspired to say
>
>"Michael J Davis" <mjdu...@trustsof.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:JQKgO3AS...@trustsof.co.uk...
>

>> Has anyone suggestions for a source of this connector? To connect a
>> Canonscan film scanner to a computor. (My old Win98 with scsi card is to
>> be retired!)
>>
>> I've tried everywhere, and most places are out of stock / discontinued?
>
>
>What kind of connector do you have at the PC end of your SCSI cable?
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCSI_connector should help you sort this out.
>Same or different from the one on the scanner?
>
>I think it is possible that you will have the old Centronics style at
>both ends at the moment, although the connections may be more modern.
>
>Anyway, you need two things.
>
>(1) A SCSI card which will fit your PC and is backward compatible with
>SCSI I (one).
>(2) A SCSI cable which matches the two ends - PC and scanner.
>
>If you have an older style cable then you may have to buy a new cable
>or an adaptor - neither of which are particularly cheap.
>I am assuming you already have termination sorted out as this was
>running with Win98.
>
>In my case we bought a boxed Adaptec 29160N from (IIRC) eBay.
>This has a 50 pin connection on the card.
>Cables came with the scanner.
>
>Worked fine with VueScan - you will need scanner drivers as well, of
>course, for your chosen O/S and if they are not available then it is
>VueScan or Linux.

Dave, Bennett, and others - thank you all for your helpful and kind
comments.

I've opened up my Win 98 computer (with the SCSI card installed - but a
really fiddly job to get at) and the Win XP Pro machine - a Dell and a
doddle to open up, and compared the connections & configuration.

To my surprise, the two machines have the same types of slot. (I must
have been recalling the frustration of a previous generation of machines
that meant that I had to change some peripherals.)

So thanks, I guess I don't need the adaptor I asked about.

I'm not going through the hassle of installing the SCSI card (labelled
Canon YH9-0091) into the Win XPPro machine, as I hope it will install
into a new Win 7 machine I need for my photo processing.

However, I have two new concerns. :-(

Will the old Canon drivers dating from 1996/7 work under Win 7 and will
the SCSI card be recognised by such a machine?

Do the answers to this affect my decision whether to go for a 32-bit or
a 64-bit installation?

Many thanks for your patience in the face of my ignorance.

Mike
--
Michael J Davis

[Bennett Price]

> doddle to open up, and compared the connections& configuration.

>
> To my surprise, the two machines have the same types of slot. (I must
> have been recalling the frustration of a previous generation of machines
> that meant that I had to change some peripherals.)
>
> So thanks, I guess I don't need the adaptor I asked about.
>
> I'm not going through the hassle of installing the SCSI card (labelled
> Canon YH9-0091) into the Win XPPro machine, as I hope it will install
> into a new Win 7 machine I need for my photo processing.
>
> However, I have two new concerns. :-(
>
> Will the old Canon drivers dating from 1996/7 work under Win 7 and will
> the SCSI card be recognised by such a machine?
>
> Do the answers to this affect my decision whether to go for a 32-bit or
> a 64-bit installation?
>
> Many thanks for your patience in the face of my ignorance.
>
> Mike

Your next step is to to go to Canon's web site and see what software is
available for your scanner and its card. Perhaps both 32 bit and 64 bit
Win7 drivers and apps are available.
Also see what you can find at Microsoft's site (do an advanced search)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/compatibility/windows-7/en-us/

[Michael J Davis]

Bennett Price <bjp...@cal.berkeley.edu> was inspired to say

>Your next step is to to go to Canon's web site and see what software is
>available for your scanner and its card. Perhaps both 32 bit and 64
>bit Win7 drivers and apps are available.
>Also see what you can find at Microsoft's site (do an advanced search)
>http://www.microsoft.com/windows/compatibility/windows-7/en-us/
>

Thanks, Bennett, will do!

[David WE Roberts]

"Michael J Davis" <mjdu...@trustsof.co.uk> wrote in message

news:GI$jYSA1G...@trustsof.co.uk...

> David WE Roberts <nos...@btinternet.com> was inspired to say

<snip>

> I've opened up my Win 98 computer (with the SCSI card installed - but a
> really fiddly job to get at) and the Win XP Pro machine - a Dell and a
> doddle to open up, and compared the connections & configuration.
>
> To my surprise, the two machines have the same types of slot. (I must
> have been recalling the frustration of a previous generation of machines
> that meant that I had to change some peripherals.)
>
> So thanks, I guess I don't need the adaptor I asked about.
>
> I'm not going through the hassle of installing the SCSI card (labelled
> Canon YH9-0091) into the Win XPPro machine, as I hope it will install
> into a new Win 7 machine I need for my photo processing.
>
> However, I have two new concerns. :-(
>
> Will the old Canon drivers dating from 1996/7 work under Win 7 and will
> the SCSI card be recognised by such a machine?
>
> Do the answers to this affect my decision whether to go for a 32-bit or
> a 64-bit installation?

<snip>

Bit of a jump there - the card fits into an XP Pro machine but you haven't
said that you have confirmed the card slot type and then confirmed that your
new (not yet bought?) W7 machine has the same card slot type.

So you have three issues:
(1) Will the new W7 PC physically accept the card (if not, plug it into the
XP machine).
(2) Will the operating system (XP or W7) recognise the SCSI card? Once it is
plugged in then Device Manager should show it if it is recognised.
(3) Once you have a SCSI card which is recognised by the O/S you then need a
driver for the scanner attached via the SCSI card.

A quick google brings up
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=37970220
which should make interesting reading.

This suggests that the Canon YH9-0091 is an obsolete Adaptec card which is
supported by XP, can possibly be frigged to work with Vista, but is not
supported by W7.
If this turns out to be true then it looks as though the XP Pro machine is
your best option.
Alternatively you will need a more recent Adaptec card which is supported by
W7.

Once that is working, then you need to look at drivers for your scanner.

HTH

[Michael J Davis]

David WE Roberts <nos...@btinternet.com> was inspired to say

>Bit of a jump there - the card fits into an XP Pro machine but you
>haven't said that you have confirmed the card slot type and then
>confirmed that your new (not yet bought?) W7 machine has the same card
>slot type.
>
>So you have three issues:
>(1) Will the new W7 PC physically accept the card (if not, plug it into
>the XP machine).
>(2) Will the operating system (XP or W7) recognise the SCSI card? Once
>it is plugged in then Device Manager should show it if it is
>recognised.
>(3) Once you have a SCSI card which is recognised by the O/S you then
>need a driver for the scanner attached via the SCSI card.
>
>A quick google brings up
>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=37970220
>which should make interesting reading.

Dave - that's brilliant!!

Thank you so much.

1. It shows there's hope
2. It tells me that I shouldn't waste my time with present card in W7
3. It tells me the card I should get. (at around $20 s/h, it's worth the
risk!!)

>This suggests that the Canon YH9-0091 is an obsolete Adaptec card which
>is supported by XP, can possibly be frigged to work with Vista, but is
>not supported by W7.
>If this turns out to be true then it looks as though the XP Pro machine
>is your best option.
>Alternatively you will need a more recent Adaptec card which is
>supported by W7.
>
>Once that is working, then you need to look at drivers for your scanner.

Yes, the thread to which you referred me included the offer of a driver
for the newer card. I'm following that up.

Now all I need is a Win 7 machine!!

>HTH

It does, indeed! Thanks again!!

Mike
--
Michael J Davis

<><

"If you are offended by anything, whether intended or
unintended, you do not know the way of peace..."
St. Maximus the Confessor
<><

[Rob]

Just a suggestion when looking for a new machine W7 look for a MB which
has a SCSI port built onto the board. They are available.

[Michael J Davis]

Rob <mesa...@google.com> was inspired to say

>Just a suggestion when looking for a new machine W7 look for a MB which
>has a SCSI port built onto the board. They are available.

Useful suggestion, thanks, Bob.

However there seems to be differences in drivers, for each SCSI
software, so having now got some software (thanks to the contact on the
dpr forum) that works, I think I'll stick to getting a board that it
works with. (In short I know when i'm out of my depth!!)

Thanks

[chrispris...@telus.net]

With a bit of work you can implement this very intelligent solution and get your internal card recognized in Win 7/8:

http://www.colorneg.com/Vuescan/Adaptec-SCSI-controller/AHA-2940-etc/driver-for-64-Bit-Windows-7-and-8/



I am now running my very old Canon FS2710 using Hamrick's own scanner driver without a hitch!