Refilling cartridges - how do you cover the hole?
JD
I currently use sticky electrical tape but there has to be a better way!
JD
Burt
news:94Sif.6277$ea6....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> How do you fill the hole after refilling cartridges?
>
> I currently use sticky electrical tape but there has to be a better way!
>
> JD
>
thread on the Nifty-Stuff Forum about sealing the fill hole.
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/
My favorite is to not punch out the fill hole plastic ball seal. Instead I
use a paper clip wire that has been heated in a flame to make a hole between
the factory fill hole and the end of the cart. I then use a stainless steel
#6 3/8 or 1/2 inch pan head sheet metal screw with an O-ring that is very
tight fitting around the screw. It will self thread into the hole made by
the paper clip and produce an excellent seal. If you are refilling a Canon
OEM bci-6 cart and have punched out the factory seal you can contact
Computer Friends and ask if you can buy their blue plastic plugs. They
include them in their refill kit, but their ink is pretty expensive. Most
tapes do not produce an effective seal. Some people have used a glue gun,
but the s.s. screws or the blue plugs are easier to use.
drc023
"Burt" <sfbjg...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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An 8-32 or 10-32 screw will be a perfect fit for the fill port. I prefer to
cut threads with a 10-32 tap and then use a nylon screw to seal the opening,
but a stainless steel screw will also cut threads if a tap isn't available.
--
Ron
Ron Shaw
jed...@bigpond.net.au says...
> How do you fill the hole after refilling cartridges?
>
> I currently use sticky electrical tape but there has to be a better way!
>
> JD
>
>
>
off for next refill. This avoids small air leaks that lead to dripping
with canon cartridges.
measekite
Ron Shaw wrote:
CANON OEM CARTS NEVER DRIP
measekite
JD wrote:
>How do you fill the hole after refilling cartridges?
>
>
IN HOLLAND THEY STICK THEIR FINGER IN IT
measekite
Jeff wrote:
>measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in news:%e1jf.26428$Zv5.7088
>@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
>
>
>
>>Ron Shaw wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>In article <94Sif.6277$ea6....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>>jed...@bigpond.net.au says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>How do you fill the hole after refilling cartridges?
>>>>
>>>>I currently use sticky electrical tape but there has to be a better way!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Hot glue gun plus a small tab of duct tape works great, is easy to pull
>>>off for next refill. This avoids small air leaks that lead to dripping
>>>with canon cartridges.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>CANON OEM CARTS NEVER DRIP
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>Hey, you're right for once! I just drilled a 1/8" hole at the top of my
>newly empty Canon carts and filled them with fresh HobbiColors ink.
>
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU REFILLED THE CARTS WITH CAUSE THEY WILL NOT
TELL YOU. ALL YOU KNOW IS YOU WENT TO A WEBSTORE AND BOUGHT SOMETHING
FROM THAT PLACE.
> Then
>sealed the holes with 1/8" soft rubber plugs sold online. Yeah, man, Canon
>OEM carts never drip! Thanks for the tip. You're a genius, Measekite. Jeff
>
>
Jeff
news:Q13jf.27845$tV6....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
>
>
> Jeff wrote:
>
>>measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in news:%e1jf.26428$Zv5.7088
>>@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Ron Shaw wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <94Sif.6277$ea6....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>>>jed...@bigpond.net.au says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How do you fill the hole after refilling cartridges?
>>>>>
>>>>>I currently use sticky electrical tape but there has to be a better
>>>>>way!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Hot glue gun plus a small tab of duct tape works great, is easy to
>>>>pull off for next refill. This avoids small air leaks that lead to
>>>>dripping with canon cartridges.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>CANON OEM CARTS NEVER DRIP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hey, you're right for once! I just drilled a 1/8" hole at the top of
>>my newly empty Canon carts and filled them with fresh HobbiColors ink.
>>
> YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU REFILLED THE CARTS WITH CAUSE THEY WILL NOT
> TELL YOU. ALL YOU KNOW IS YOU WENT TO A WEBSTORE AND BOUGHT SOMETHING
> FROM THAT PLACE.
>
Sure I do. It's on the HobbiColors website -
http://www.hobbicolors.com/page3.html
*Latest generation colorants for maximum color purity, vibrancy and wide
gamut to achieve optimal inkjet photo printing performance.
*Rapid lubricant additive for cleaning printhead orifices to reduce
residual dye accumulation.
*Ink volatility enhancer to speed up ink drying time to increase edge
sharpness.
*Advanced additives of solubilizing agent, surfactant and penetrant.
*Anti-evaporation additive (humectant) to inhibit ink volatilization and
prevent printhead clogging.
*Anti-filtration additive to render reliably the vibrancy of the three
primary colors.
*Precision spectral matching technology.
*Biocide additive to prevent bacteria growing.
__________
Now show me the specifics of what's in Canon brand ink so I know what I'm
getting, Measekite. The website, please. Jeff
Taliesyn
Between you and I, Jeff, I think that would be a Canon secret. They will
not tell you what's in the ink NOR who made it. We know *they* didn't,
they're not an ink manufacturer.
-Taliesyn
fb
Oh don't let meashershithead hear you say that! I'll ruin he bullshit day!
:-)
Frank
Ron Shaw
inkys...@oem.com says...
>
> >>>
> >>CANON OEM CARTS NEVER DRIP
> >>
> TELL YOU. ALL YOU KNOW IS YOU WENT TO A WEBSTORE AND BOUGHT SOMETHING
> FROM THAT PLACE.
My bottles of refill ink come labeled with manufacturers name, lot
number and date. (and of course it is the same, refill after refill,
because it comes from the same bottle). Measekite doesn't know this,
because he has never bought or seen refill ink. There are a lot of other
things he does not know .. it is called ignorance. He then proclaims his
uninformed opinions in all caps. Does this impress you?
Steven Polgar
> YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU REFILLED THE CARTS WITH CAUSE THEY WILL NOT
> TELL YOU. ALL YOU KNOW IS YOU WENT TO A WEBSTORE AND BOUGHT SOMETHING
> FROM THAT PLACE.
You won't know what your stomach will be refilled with when you go to a
restaurant to get a refill. As long as the stuff is tasty why do you care?
You are probably the number one idiot in this forum. Pitty!
measekite
Steven Polgar wrote:
DID YOU EVER LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
MIRROR MIRROR
ON DA WALL
WHOOSE DA FAIREST
OF DEM ALL
IT AIN'T YOU
measekite
Ron Shaw wrote:
IT COULD BE ANY MADE UP NAM,E
measekite
Jeff wrote:
YOU GOTTA BE A BIG JERK. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING. THIS IS
A VENDOR MADE UP NAME AND A VENDOR PROMO. WHY DO YOU INSIST ON BEING
CHICKEN LITTLE WITH THE SKY FALLING IN.
zakezuke
I think Jeff knows what he's getting. Something that works from
Hobbicolors... an e-bay vender... in fact i'm sure he knows exactly
what he's getting because he clearly has ordered before... and
obviously is happy. I've heard enough people happy with hobbicolors
that I'm willing to believe they sell a good product. Just like I'm
happy with MIS associates. Others are happy with branded or unbranded
Formulabs ink from Sensient.
The real question is why do you feel the need to post in this thread
three times saying the same thing. This is known as spamming and it's
not cool. Why don't you with all due respect actually say why you
prefer canon inks.... give us an obvious benifit of using them vs the
other options on the market. Perhaps then someone might actually
listen to you. This group is made up of many people who take the time
to help others... and you are not being helpful.
fb
Ron that fuckwit moron of an idiot can't read! Why bother responding to
his horseshit drivel. he knows absolutely nothing about ink, printers or
photo paper.
Kill file his stuck-on-stupid all cap crap ass.
Frank
measekite
Jeff wrote:
>measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in news:efljf.34499$6e1.32299
>@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
> So you couln't find any matching information about Canon inks as to
>what's in it like HobbiColors did. You really DO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CANON
>PREFILLED THEIR CARTS WITH CAUSE THEY WILL NOT TELL YOU. Oh where oh
>where have I heard those familiar words before? Jeff
>
>
YOU STILL DO NOT GET IT. CANON IS FACTORY. WHO CARES ABOUT THE OTHER
CRAP. THE CANON PRINTER WAS DESIGNED TO FUNCTION WITH CANON INK. THEY
DO NOT NEED TO TELL ANYONE. THIS IS THE STANDARD
fb
> measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in news:efljf.34499$6e1.32299
> @newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
> what's in it like HobbiColors did. You really DO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CANON
> PREFILLED THEIR CARTS WITH CAUSE THEY WILL NOT TELL YOU. Oh where oh
> where have I heard those familiar words before? Jeff
Jeff that asshole meashershithead is beyond stupid. Kill file his dumber
-than-shit ass and be done with him.
Frank
Taliesyn
> measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in news:efljf.34499$6e1.32299
> @newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
> what's in it like HobbiColors did. You really DO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CANON
> PREFILLED THEIR CARTS WITH CAUSE THEY WILL NOT TELL YOU. Oh where oh
> where have I heard those familiar words before? Jeff
Way to go, Jeff.... got 'em at his own game! So Canon won't tell him
what's in their ink and HobbyColors will?.... (uncontrollable,
hysterical laughter.....). I gotta post this on my wall!... (laughter)
If I don't stop laughing I'll pee my pants all the aftermarktet tea I
just drank (it's no name from the dollar store). ahhahhhhahahaaaaaaaa...
Ooops, gotta run...
-Taliesyn
zakezuke
You still don't get it... Canon may have factories or may outsource
that task to others. You have NO idea because they won't tell you.
You actually have no idea if the printer... or rather the head is
designed for the ink or the ink is designed for the printhead. But it
seems the only one who cares... the only one who really cares... is
you. You make such a big point about information you don't have... say
it doesn't matter because well it doesn't. If the ink goes through the
printhead, goes onto the paper... that is the important thing... which
on forums like this people like us can share our experence with
products.
That's the key here... experence with products. You sir have no
experenced any of these products... and to make up for your lack of
experence you are willing to lie about the subject. Jeff uses
hobbicolors.. and it sounds like Jeff is pleased. I buy from MIS
associated and I am pleased. Sure the OEM solution should be the
benchmark to measure other solutions.... that's fair enough... but this
doesn't say other products will be better or worse, or that someone
might find them perfectly acceptable for their application.
You don't like aftermarket ink... great... that's pefectly fine for
you not to buy it... but the problem is you are trying to impose your
standards.... and this is wrong. You sir are far too obsessed to be
objective about the subject.
drc023
"measekite" <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in message
news:efljf.34499$6e1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> YOU GOTTA BE A BIG JERK. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING. THIS IS A
> VENDOR MADE UP NAME AND A VENDOR PROMO. WHY DO YOU INSIST ON BEING
> CHICKEN LITTLE WITH THE SKY FALLING IN.
As you say Chicken Little went around insisting that the sky was falling,
which as everyone knew was a completely inaccurate claim. Based upon your
acknowledgement about Chicken Littles propensity for making false claims,
you have also indicted yourself as the Chicken Little of this newsgroup with
your hysterical obsession in making false claims of clogging and third party
inks.
--
Ron
drc023
>>
>> So you couln't find any matching information about Canon inks as to
>> what's in it like HobbiColors did. You really DO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CANON
>>PREFILLED THEIR CARTS WITH CAUSE THEY WILL NOT TELL YOU. Oh where oh where
>>have I heard those familiar words before? Jeff
>>
> YOU STILL DO NOT GET IT. CANON IS FACTORY. WHO CARES ABOUT THE OTHER
> CRAP. THE CANON PRINTER WAS DESIGNED TO FUNCTION WITH CANON INK. THEY DO
> NOT NEED TO TELL ANYONE. THIS IS THE STANDARD
Just the opposite. YOU DO NOT GET IT!!! (See other people can shout too, but
we know how to toggle the caps lock key.) Canon did not design the printer
to work only with Canon labeled (i.e. made by a third party for Canon) inks.
Canon and third party labeled ink is designed (formulated) to work with
Canon printers. That is why Canon, HobbiColors, Formulabs and
Image-Specialists ink are virtually indistinguishable from each other in
performance, quality and results. I will concede one point however, Canon
inks are far superior to the third party inks when it comes to gouging the
consumers pocketbooks.
--
Ron
measekite
Taliesyn wrote:
DUMB DEE DUMM DUMM. GO GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL
fb
every time he is caught lying.
Kill file the dumb bastard and be done with his stupid ass.
Frank
Prime
news:%7Hjf.56105$qw.27576@fed1read07:
>> -Taliesyn
> You just know that asshole has nothing but the same stupid response
> every time he is caught lying.
> Kill file the dumb bastard and be done with his stupid ass.
He is acting uptight and using all caps because his butt can't let loose
its poo. He has a brain clog.
measekite
Prime wrote:
*my prime is not clogged.*
Prime
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Your butt is your prime? That explains everything.
measekite
Prime wrote:
U GODDA BEE AH JERK
Steven Polgar
Despite large number posts from one single idiot against everyone
It is not difficult to sort out the recommendations from a few experts
here. This thread has been very interesting in particular.
I finally ordered a refill kit from Hobbicolors on eBay. The kit arrived
yesterday. I must tell you I am impressed. Although I spent a good hour
to read the instruction to get all 6 cartridges filled up, the sealing
screw took only 10 to 20 seconds to seal the hole on the top of each
cartridge. It was sooooooo cool.... I spent another day, not just hours,
trying to evaluate if I have wasted the money in this refill kit. Frankly
instead of being disappointed I am convinced that it is truly an amazing
product. I have emptied a good 150 sheet box of 4x6 photo paper and opened
another. I am totally impressed. Oh, the printer is an old i950 that has
used only a few sets of OEM cartridges in 3 or 4 years. This printer
would probably keep accumulating dust if I don't find a cheap source of
ink to use.
Thanks to everyone in fighting the war on this thread. It helped me in
making up my mind to try the Hobbicolors refill kit. It's like a sunny
day right after a long cloudy winter. Will be back to report more about
this refill kit.
Steven Polgar
Burt
news:L6Fkf.31686$tV6....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
Thanks for the kind words, Steven. It is sad to see this newsgroup, which
has very loyal participants whose personal experience is shared with those
who have printer questions, hijacked by our witless troll. Too many of the
posts are his plus the responses that they generate. It is also
disheartening to be constantly abused for simply sharing an honest appraisal
of our experiences with aftermarket products. I responded to his nonsense
for many months as I was concerned that new arrivals on the NG would give
credence to his misinformation. I've since killfiled him and only see his
all-caps posts second hand when others respond. I refuse to directly
respond or attempt to engage in reasonable dialogue with him as it is truly
impossible. Glad that you managed to wade through the BS he generates and
get the information you were looking for.
>
>
drc023
help other folks who are considering refilling over the high cost of Canon
labeled cartridges.
--
Ron
"Steven Polgar" <trekk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Taliesyn
Your "sooooooo cool" experience mirrors mine. It's the most impressive
kit I've seen and actually fun to fill. Simply unscrew the tank, inject
ink in the hole (in the specified amounts and manner), put the screw
back in. How hard is that? I then add a personal touch (not required)
where I stretch electrical tape over the sides and screw to make it
completely airtight. In the years I've refilled I've never had a leaky
cartridge anyway. But one more layer of safety never hurt anyone.
I now have two blank sets of BCI-6 tanks filled with HobbiColors ink.
And just yesterday I was running kind of low on one of my original sets
of genuine Canon tanks I still have. I didn't even wait till the liquid
chamber was empty, I just removed them one by one and filled them with
HobbiColors ink and kept on printing. I used a 1/8" drill and have
matching soft rubber plugs (and sealed with electrical tape). So that
set now has a mixture of genuine Canon and HobbiColors inks... I call
that my mixed blood set and named it "HobbiCanon" ink! I would have
preferred new blank tanks but don't know if HobbiColors sells their
tanks separately. I generally use two printers so I like to have at
least 3 sets of cartridges in rotation. I also have a third printer
which I only bring out of storage if I'm doing a large job at the high
quality setting (Christmas time mostly) which puts a lot stress on a
printer, as I did just recently with various personal Christmas
projects. The printer survived the "stress test" so I cleaned out the
printhead and placed it back in storage until once again needed. Using
compatible inks, such as HobbiColors, affords me the luxury of having 3
printers. Hell, I don't need 3 printers, I could get by with one. But
over the years I've learned that having more than one printer is a
necessity, not a luxury. They tend to act up at your worst moments. But
I have 3 fully operational printers at the moment, lots of ink, and life
is good. . . In fact, it couldn't be better.
-Taliesyn
measekite
Taliesyn wrote:
MUST BE SNIFFEN GLUE
> Simply unscrew the tank, inject
> ink in the hole (in the specified amounts and manner), put the screw
> back in. How hard is that?
ASK THE CARPETS
> I then add a personal touch (not required)
> where I stretch electrical tape over the sides and screw to make it
> completely airtight. In the years I've refilled I've never had a leaky
> cartridge anyway. But one more layer of safety never hurt anyone.
YEAH YOU CERTAINLY NEED IT
>
> I now have two blank sets of BCI-6 tanks filled with HobbiColors ink
THAT IS NOT TRUE. YOU HAVE INK THAT YOU BOUGHT FROM HOBBICOLORS BUT DO
NOT KNOW WHAT IT REALLY IS.
measekite
Steven Polgar wrote:
> I have followed the discussions of this forum quietly for some time.
> Despite large number posts from one single idiot against everyone
> It is not difficult to sort out the recommendations from a few experts
> here. This thread has been very interesting in particular.
YOU ARE SOMEWHAT RIGHT. THEY ARE EXPERTS IN CLOGGING PRINTERS
zakezuke
> time. Despite large number posts from one single idiot against
> everyone It is not difficult to sort out the recommendations from a
> few experts
It's good to know that the one foofoo head isn't influencing your
choice. I consider my self moderate on the OEM vs Aftermarket war...
I'm even willing to believe there is a benifit to OEM... and in fact I
do have a preference on my canon tward the offfical pigmented black. I
use MIS's products but must admit freely I notice less pooling on OEM
canon pigmented black. Everyone should be aware there is a choice and
make a choice based on fact... and either way you go is up to you.
Taliesyn
> In article <11p6fto...@corp.supernews.com>, Taliesyn <tali...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>Simply unscrew the tank, inject
>>ink in the hole (in the specified amounts and manner), put the screw
>>back in. How hard is that? I then add a personal touch (not required)
>>where I stretch electrical tape over the sides and screw to make it
>>completely airtight.
>
>
> A bit of Teflon tape (the plumbing type) over the screw would do
> much better.
>
Teflon tape... sounds interesting. Any good hardware store, right?
Does it remove easily? (I've never owned any).
-Taliesyn
Burt
news:11p715a...@corp.supernews.com...
Teflon tape is extremely thin and is used where "pipe dope" (a gray colored
goop a little thicker than honey that is spread on the male portion of the
two parts you are joining together) was previously used to get a seal on a
threaded pipe joint. It comes in a small roll, not unlike tape, but it has
no adhesive on it. To use it you wrap it around the threaded male portion
of the connection. Two layers will suffice. It sticks to itself enough to
stay put until you screw the fittings together. Very effective and much
neater than pipe dope. It is especially good for installing finished items
like a shower head. Much as this might be a good idea for our purposes in
theory, the hobbicolor screw seals quite well by itself. If the threads get
sloppy you can always put an o-ring on the screw.
I've replaced the plastic screws that came with my hobbicolor carts with
#6-1/2 inch stainless steel pan head sheet metal screws with tight fitting
o-rings under the pan head. More length to screw into the cart, but much
easier to handle. The hobbicolor screws are really tiny, and they are
actually fine thread machine screws that can be a bit difficult to start and
catch a thread. The sheet metal screws are larger and easier to grasp, and
they guide themselves into the fill hole because they are pointed at the
end.
>
> -Taliesyn
Taliesyn
Thanks for the Teflon tape explanation, Burt. I'll think I'll pass on it
then.
You mentioned that you thought the HobbiColors plastic screws were
"really tiny". I though they were quite large. Yes, they are not the
easiest to start, but not that difficult either. If you thought THEY
were tiny, you should have seen the ultra tiny stainless steel set
screws I was using earlier. They measure about 2mm wide and 3mm long.
And could only be installed by putting them on the matching tiny,
toothpick-sized allen key first. No real problem with them but I'm into
using soft rubber plugs at the moment. You just pull them out by the
mushroom head. I use the electrical tape as a safety seal. It seems to
clamp over the plug and cartridge like vice. I don't see any possibility
of air getting in.
-Taliesyn
Taliesyn
> -Taliesyn
I just wish to add to my earlier post that the soft rubber plugs I
mentioned I use are NOT for the HobbiColors tanks but for tanks that
have no user-friendly openings for re-filling (empty original Canon
tanks, for example).
-Taliesyn
Burt
MIS and Arrow carts have very small silicone tapered plugs that are also
pretty small. I've replaced them all with the s.s. screw/o-ring. The
screws fit the smaller fill holes perfectly and cut their own threads as you
screw them in.
I did purchase some sets of blue soft plastic plugs from Computer Friends.
They are designed to fit the fill hole on Canon OEM carts after you push the
plastic ball that is used as the factory seal into the reservoir. They have
a tab to grip easily for removal and replacement. I didn't feel like
drilling out the fill holes of the other carts to fit the computer friends
plugs.
measekite
Taliesyn wrote:
CANON DOES NOT HAVE TO MAKE USER FRIENDLY REFILLING HOLDS FOR THEIR INK
IS USER FRIENDLY AND THEIR CARTS ARE DESIGNED BY THEM FOR THEIR
PRINTER. THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. HP AND EPSON DO THE SAME.
measekite
Taliesyn wrote:
MORE PAIN NO GAIN
ZR
>>
>> I currently use sticky electrical tape but there has to be a better way!
>>
>>
> Which printer? Which cartridges? For Canon carts there is a very long
> thread on the Nifty-Stuff Forum about sealing the fill hole.
> http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/
>
> My favorite is to not punch out the fill hole plastic ball seal. Instead
> I use a paper clip wire that has been heated in a flame to make a hole
> between the factory fill hole and the end of the cart. I then use a
> stainless steel #6 3/8 or 1/2 inch pan head sheet metal screw with an
> O-ring that is very tight fitting around the screw. It will self thread
> into the hole made by the paper clip and produce an excellent seal. If
> you are refilling a Canon OEM bci-6 cart and have punched out the factory
> seal you can contact Computer Friends and ask if you can buy their blue
> plastic plugs. They include them in their refill kit, but their ink is
> pretty expensive. Most tapes do not produce an effective seal. Some
> people have used a glue gun, but the s.s. screws or the blue plugs are
> easier to use.
I thought tape would be easiest, wouldn't it?
Another question is why the cartridge will leak if the hole is not air
tight, considering there are breathing holes on the cartridge?
Thanks for your help!
measekite
ZR wrote:
WHY DON;T YOU TAKE A QUARTER INCH DRILL BIT AND DRILL A HOLE IN THE
SIDE. AFTER FILLING SPACKLE UP THE HOLE AND SAND IT FLAT.
>
>
>
Burt
"ZR" <Z...@ABC.COM> wrote in message
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perfect, airtight seal. If you don't have a good seal you will get ink
leaking into your printhead - not a good thing! The air vent is over the
compartment with the sponge. The combination of a very small air vent in
that compartment, the viscosity of the ink, and the controlled release of
ink that the sponge permits prevents ink flow until demand by the printer
but permits ink to flow and air to come into the cartridge over the sponge
area when ink flows out of the cartridge. This is a fairly delicate balance
that requires that the rest of the cartridge is air tight. If anyone has
used tape exclusively as a seal on the bci-6 cartridges I would be
interested in knowing what kind of tape they are using. drc023, one of the
participants on this NG and on the Nifty Stuff Forum, originally made two
very small holes in the reservoir area - one in which to inject the ink and
the other to let air out as he was filling the cartridge. He then used duct
tape for a seal. I don't know if he had any failures due to using tape as a
seal, but I know that he now uses a small plastic machine screw with an
o-ring as a seal. The moderator on the Nifty Stuff Forum originally used
duct tape but did have a problem and went to the screw/o-ring seal. There
is a long thread on that forum about sealing the fill hole on Canon carts.
Read it.
zakezuke
> tight, considering there are breathing holes on the cartridge?
That's easy to answer. The cartridge is a balance between surface
tention and gravity. For example take a straw, put it in a drink.
Cover the straw tip with your finger. Pull it out. The liquid has
enough surface tention to not drip. But start removing your finger
slowly and then it'll drip drip drip depending on the size of the gap.
That's why you don't want a huge hole... it'll leak. A small hole is
needed above the sponge to replace the displaced ink but make it too
large and it'll leak too quickly.
Very simple but effective design.
drc023
recommended a refilling method I used for a time. I either made a couple of
small holes or a single larger one with a 1/8" bit in the side of the
reservoir and sealed it over with duct tape. Note that the tape was on the
flat side of the cartridge and not on the top, where as Burt said it would
be difficult to get an airtight seal. The procedure worked ok - never had
any problems or leaks, but I got tired of that method since it didn't lend
itself to refilling a lot of cartridges at a time. That's why I came up with
the refilling base and usage of 10-32 nylon screws which is described in
detail on the Nifty-Stuff forum. The tanks described on www.hobbicolors.com
are similar to what I converted both OEM and third party cartridge to. The
only difference is the smaller screws used with the HobbiColor tanks.
--
Ron
"Burt" <sfbjg...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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George E. Cawthon
do with the finger on a straw example. It is a
balance between the weight of the liquid and air
pressure. The same principle keeps water in the
chicken waterer, the dog water machine, the
humming bird feeder, etc. The effect is easiest
to observe with an old fashioned mercury tube
barometer.
As gravity pulls the liquid down, a vacuum
develops at the top of the tube and air pressure
on the liquid pool at the bottom pushes the liquid
back up the tube. To see anything significant
with water you need a very long tube, but with
mercury you can watch as the top of the mercury
column moves up and down around 30 inches above
the pool as the air pressure changes.
In and ink cartridge, the first compartment of an
ink cartridge acts as the sealed tube and second
compartment (sponge compartment) acts as the pool.
The only way for the ink level to move down in
the first compartment is for air to enter from the
sponge compartment to increase the bubble of air
at the top. If you could watch it you would see a
bubble of air develop at the bottom hole and rise
to the top of the first compartment, just like
what happens with a hummingbird feeder.
Although surface tension is necessary, it isn't
really a factor in an ink cartridge because the
surface tension of water is great enough that
water will hang in columns that are many feet in
length. Anyone who has use the old type of water
pump that operates with the piston at the top of
the well could tell you that.
fb
> Will wonders never cease? Measekite actually (somewhat) described and
hahahaha...even a blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn.
Frank
Gary Tait
Rlf.133809$qk4....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
> Anyone who has use the old type of water
> pump that operates with the piston at the top of
> the well could tell you that.
Actually, on that sort of pump, the pump mechanism is typically below the
level of the water table, with the suck rod going all the way down to the
pump under the water, in which there is a series of valves which prevent
any water in the pipes from goin down.
ZR
Sounds like the fundamental design of inkjet print is inherently unstable
and unreliable. Fortunately I got a laser as backup.
Thanks!
Burt
> and unreliable. Fortunately I got a laser as backup.
>
> Thanks!
>
ink output when demanded by the printer and air pressure balance within the
cartridges when extremely small increments of ink flow out have been worked
out in the design of the carts, viscosity and stability of inks, control of
evaporation from the air vent, etc.
One downside has to do with the fact that the ink must be quick drying to
deliver a print that will not smear when the next one lands on top of it
and, at the same time, will not dry up with any frequency in the print head.
The printer software cleaning utility can generally clean a minor clog, but
the manufacturers don't tell you the next logical step, which is to be able
to clear a clogged printhead when the normal cleaning cycle doesn't work.
This becomes a problem for which you are required to go to a repair
facility, and the cost is not justified for the majority of low to
moderately priced printers.
Fortunately, there are people on this newsgroup, on the Nifty-stuff forum,
and several other usergroups who can help you clear a clog that is more
stubborn than the printer utility will clear. Otherwise you may have to
retire a printer that in all other regards would continue to function
properly.
It is now time for our resident troll to follow this message with his rant
that non-OEM inks cause more clogged printheads. ALL inks, OEM and non-OEM,
can cause print head clogs that can produce poor output from your printer.
Letting a printer sit idle for a long period of time will let ink dry in the
printhead, and over a period of years of use there can be a buildup of dried
ink under the printhead that can also cause clogs.
George E. Cawthon
The point was surface tension. There are all
kinds of pumps that is why I specified the pump
with the piston mechanism at the top of the well;
it is actually within the pump body. That type of
pump operates on vacuum and air pressure and
depends on the surface tension and that is why the
pump lift is limited. Any pump that you have to
prime is this type of pump. But lots of these
pumps also have a foot valve so you don't need to
prime every time you use it.
The pump that operates with the piston below the
water surface operates on a different principle,
pressure, it does not "suck" and does not depend
on surface tension.
George E. Cawthon
design. In fact the design of the cartridge using
atmospheric pressure to provide a steady flow of
ink to the printhead during use, is highly
reliable and energy efficient barring removal of
atmospheric air pressure and gravity. Course if
someone did that, I don't think you would be
worried about things other than why you inkjet
printer didn't work. Well, actually you wouldn't
be worrying at all.
Tony
With respect that is a little unfair on inkjets. It is important to remember
that when they were first designed there was no alternative, it was the only
technology that allowed ordinary people to print at a reasonable cost. Things
have changed, lasers are so much cheaper now but even the best colour lasers
are not as good as photo quality inkjets at producing high quality prints
unless you pay thousands of dollars. Epson seem to have the edge in photo
quality.
Having said that, inkjets are actually extremely high tech, the simple
appearance of these printers belies decades of research. And what you get for
the money now that the bulk of the research has been amortised is quite
remarkable. Sure there are problems with inkjet technology but the problems are
not out of line with their complexity in my opinion.
Tony
Gary Tait
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How so? For general purpose personal, even commercial, printing, people
used either daisywheel or dot matrix impact. Later on Dot matrix impact
got color, and at least at 1985, simple (black or single color) dot-
matrix ink printers were around, and least to regular users, in the
later 80s/earlier 90s.
The tech has been around, at least in the lab, since the late 1970s.
> it was the only technology that allowed ordinary people to print at a
> reasonable cost. Things have changed, lasers are so much cheaper now
> but even the best colour lasers are not as good as photo quality
> inkjets at producing high quality prints unless you pay thousands of
> dollars. Epson seem to have the edge in photo quality.
> Having said that, inkjets are actually extremely high tech, the simple
> appearance of these printers belies decades of research. And what you
> get for the money now that the bulk of the research has been amortised
> is quite remarkable. Sure there are problems with inkjet technology
> but the problems are not out of line with their complexity in my
> opinion. Tony
I am goindg to disagree with you, to a point. The tech is pretty well
the same, a far as the core bits, it has been improved, as well as the
ink and papers.
Tony
I was referring to quality rather than text printng and I may not have made
that clear.
My recollection is that colour dot matrix printers only printed the colours on
the ribbon, photographs weren't an option.
So far as I, know short of buying a professional printer for megabucks, the
average person could not buy a photo printer until the inkjet came of age
albeit they were not very good at that job in the early days. That was the
point I was trying to make as well as that especially in the early days of
inkjets the technology was very challenging.
>The tech has been around, at least in the lab, since the late 1970s.
>
>> it was the only technology that allowed ordinary people to print at a
>> reasonable cost. Things have changed, lasers are so much cheaper now
>> but even the best colour lasers are not as good as photo quality
>> inkjets at producing high quality prints unless you pay thousands of
>> dollars. Epson seem to have the edge in photo quality.
>> Having said that, inkjets are actually extremely high tech, the simple
>> appearance of these printers belies decades of research. And what you
>> get for the money now that the bulk of the research has been amortised
>> is quite remarkable. Sure there are problems with inkjet technology
>> but the problems are not out of line with their complexity in my
>> opinion. Tony
>
>I am goindg to disagree with you, to a point. The tech is pretty well
>the same, a far as the core bits, it has been improved, as well as the
>ink and papers.
The real advances in recent years relate to speed of throughput and at the same
time far greater resolution and longevity, that results from superior head and
ink design, especially the heads.
I don't think we really disagree, if you want to spend the money you can buy
superb fast inkjets with high reliability like the HP professional printers
with separate heads or top of the line Epsons that produce superb photographs,
but we are talking 3-4 times the price of a modest inkjets. Having said that
the high end printers are much cheaper than they were.
Cost of running them is an entirely different topic!
Tony
zakezuke
> used either daisywheel or dot matrix impact. Later on Dot matrix impact
> got color, and at least at 1985, simple (black or single color) dot-
> matrix ink printers were around, and least to regular users, in the
> later 80s/earlier 90s.
My star nx-1000 rainbow did full color. As did my Panasonic 2124 if I
recal the model numbers correctly. Full cyan magenta yellow and black
ribbon that was handy not only for printing simple cartoonish pictures
but rubbing your head on it before going to the discotek. Granted 9pin
color didn't look all that spiffy but the dithered correctly and with
the right amount of bleeding on onion skin paper you got some very
decent oranges and purples.
Joe Law
when you are ready to fill hole, hold it over hole and drip a couple
drops of wax on hole, when youre ready to go back in there take a knife
and it comes off easily then reado it. Seals airtight every time.
Joe Law
measekite wrote:
>
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>
>> Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in news:efljf.34499$6e1.32299
>>> @newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:Q13jf.27845$tV6....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote in news:%e1jf.26428$Zv5.7088
>>>>>>> @newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ron Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <94Sif.6277$ea6....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>>>>>>>> jed...@bigpond.net.au says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How do you fill the hole after refilling cartridges?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I currently use sticky electrical tape but there has to be a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> better
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> way!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hot glue gun plus a small tab of duct tape works great, is easy to
>>>>>>>>> pull off for next refill. This avoids small air leaks that lead to
>>>>>>>>> dripping with canon cartridges.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CANON OEM CARTS NEVER DRIP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, you're right for once! I just drilled a 1/8" hole at the
>>>>>>> top of
>>>>>>> my newly empty Canon carts and filled them with fresh HobbiColors
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>> ink.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU REFILLED THE CARTS WITH CAUSE THEY WILL
>>>>>> NOT TELL YOU. ALL YOU KNOW IS YOU WENT TO A WEBSTORE AND BOUGHT
>>>>>> SOMETHING
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> FROM THAT PLACE.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure I do. It's on the HobbiColors website -
>>>>> http://www.hobbicolors.com/page3.html
>>>>>
>>>>> *Latest generation colorants for maximum color purity, vibrancy and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> wide
>>>
>>>>> gamut to achieve optimal inkjet photo printing performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Rapid lubricant additive for cleaning printhead orifices to reduce
>>>>> residual dye accumulation.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ink volatility enhancer to speed up ink drying time to increase edge
>>>>> sharpness.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Advanced additives of solubilizing agent, surfactant and penetrant.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Anti-evaporation additive (humectant) to inhibit ink volatilization
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>> prevent printhead clogging.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Anti-filtration additive to render reliably the vibrancy of the three
>>>>> primary colors.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Precision spectral matching technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Biocide additive to prevent bacteria growing.
>>>>> __________
>>>>>
>>>>> Now show me the specifics of what's in Canon brand ink so I know what
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm
>>>
>>>>> getting, Measekite. The website, please. Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> YOU GOTTA BE A BIG JERK. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING. THIS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IS
>>>
>>>> A VENDOR MADE UP NAME AND A VENDOR PROMO. WHY DO YOU INSIST ON
>>>> BEING CHICKEN LITTLE WITH THE SKY FALLING IN.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So you couln't find any matching information about Canon inks as
>>> to what's in it like HobbiColors did. You really DO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT
>>> CANON
>>> PREFILLED THEIR CARTS WITH CAUSE THEY WILL NOT TELL YOU. Oh where oh
>>> where have I heard those familiar words before? Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> Way to go, Jeff.... got 'em at his own game! So Canon won't tell him
>> what's in their ink and HobbyColors will?...
>
>
> DUMB DEE DUMM DUMM. GO GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL
>
>> . (uncontrollable, hysterical laughter.....). I gotta post this on my
>> wall!... (laughter)
>> If I don't stop laughing I'll pee my pants all the aftermarktet tea I
>> just drank (it's no name from the dollar store).
>> ahhahhhhahahaaaaaaaa... Ooops, gotta run...
>>
>> -Taliesyn