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charles wilber

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Jun 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/12/97
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Has anyone worked with one of these printers long enough to give an evaluation
for printing both color and b&w photos? How does it compare to the HP
Photosmart printer.

Thanks, Chuck

jo...@best.com

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Jun 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/12/97
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charles wilber (Charles.K...@nd.edu) wrote:
: Has anyone worked with one of these printers long enough to give an evaluation
: for printing both color and b&w photos? How does it compare to the HP
: Photosmart printer.

: Thanks, Chuck

There is really no comparison. Alps wins hands down against HP and Epson's
new photo printers.

THe HP and Epson - I can still see dithering and pixels. On the alps - I
just cannot see it.

With all the talk about Alps banding, I felt it was risky for me to actually
even try the alps. But Frys had all three printers, and a 30 day return
guarentee - so I figured I would buy the alps and give it a shot.
I have yet to see any bandings on photo quality ribbons using photo quality
paper. I did one print on the wrong side of the paper - and got banding
and mis-color, but that is expected. Ironically - it looks much better then
when the hp photosmart printer prints on the wrong side of photo-quality
paper. At least the Alps - you could still see harp detail. The HP looked
like a horrible monet attempt at art and was hopelessly ruined and smudged.

The only thing that could explain my good results is the dpi to which I
print. PC Mag had a blurb saying they loved the 2300 output but saw some
minor banding in 300dpi mode. I print exclusively at 600dpi mode and havent
seen any banding. Could it be the others are printting at 300dpi and
never trying 600dpi? I have the sample from Alps of the 'boat' that even
shows banding at 600dpi so this is a complete mystery why my 2300 hasent
shown this problem yet. (not that I miss it - or anything like it.:)


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Wayne D Johnson

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Jun 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/13/97
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Try printing some solid light pastel areas. I just sent Alps some banding
examples (from a replaced unit that is the same as the first). For
example, try a solid square image of RGB: 75,75,50 (on a 0-255 scale).
Then post your results.

Hasn't anybody wondered why none of the Alps sample images have large
contiguous areas of light pastel (such as caucasian skin).

Wayne Johnson

P.S. The result is the same at 150, 300, or 600 dpi: banding my
nearly-blind 97-year-old mother could see!

jo...@best.com

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Jun 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/15/97
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Wayne D Johnson (john...@sherbtel.net) wrote:
: Try printing some solid light pastel areas. I just sent Alps some banding

: examples (from a replaced unit that is the same as the first). For
: example, try a solid square image of RGB: 75,75,50 (on a 0-255 scale).
: Then post your results.

: Hasn't anybody wondered why none of the Alps sample images have large
: contiguous areas of light pastel (such as caucasian skin).

: Wayne Johnson

: P.S. The result is the same at 150, 300, or 600 dpi: banding my
: nearly-blind 97-year-old mother could see!


printed the test at 2 inches (should show any banding). I also did traditional
colors and grads between them. No luck - couldent find any banding like
what I saw in the demo sample that alps gave me before I bought the
printer. Ironically there is a section in the manual about the cyan and
blue banding that says to make a 'line feed adjustment' if you start seeying
lines of about 0.3mm in thickness at intervals of about 10mm.
Quote: (Page 140 of alps part number 105836-00 f'masterpiece photographic quality printer
model 2300 user's guide.'
"This problem occurs when the line feed amount (distance between the lines)
has gotten too small. You can remove these lines by adjusting the line
feed amount."

Did you try that?

P.s. You owe me 3.00$ for the printout. :-)


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George R Steber

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Jun 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/15/97
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On 15 Jun 1997 jo...@best.com wrote:

>
> printed the test at 2 inches (should show any banding). I also did traditional
> colors and grads between them. No luck - couldent find any banding like
> what I saw in the demo sample that alps gave me before I bought the
> printer. Ironically there is a section in the manual about the cyan and
> blue banding that says to make a 'line feed adjustment' if you start seeying
> lines of about 0.3mm in thickness at intervals of about 10mm.
> Quote: (Page 140 of alps part number 105836-00 f'masterpiece photographic quality printer
> model 2300 user's guide.'
> "This problem occurs when the line feed amount (distance between the lines)
> has gotten too small. You can remove these lines by adjusting the line
> feed amount."
>
> Did you try that?
>
> P.s. You owe me 3.00$ for the printout. :-)
>

Just to make it absolutely clear, are you saying that 'maybe' all the
posts about the Alps banding problems are due to mis-adjusted printers
(ie line feed) and that the owners didn't read the manual??

I'm considering an Alps MD2300 since the print samples I have seen are
better than the PhotoSmart Printer and Epson Photo samples.

But I'm still puzzeled by one thing. The Alps print samples they sent also
showed the linefeed error. Didn't they read the manual or can we say they
probably just mass produced the prints without checking them?

BTW, how it the line feed adjustment done??

George

Eddie Mosier

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Jun 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/15/97
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>Just to make it absolutely clear, are you saying that 'maybe' all the
>posts about the Alps banding problems are due to mis-adjusted printers
>(ie line feed) and that the owners didn't read the manual??

OR

People are buying a $400.00 printer and expecting it to print
like a $4,000.00 printer!

jo...@best.com

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Jun 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/16/97
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George R Steber (ste...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:

: On 15 Jun 1997 jo...@best.com wrote:

: >
: > printed the test at 2 inches (should show any banding). I also did traditional
: > colors and grads between them. No luck - couldent find any banding like
: > what I saw in the demo sample that alps gave me before I bought the
: > printer. Ironically there is a section in the manual about the cyan and
: > blue banding that says to make a 'line feed adjustment' if you start seeying
: > lines of about 0.3mm in thickness at intervals of about 10mm.
: > Quote: (Page 140 of alps part number 105836-00 f'masterpiece photographic quality printer
: > model 2300 user's guide.'
: > "This problem occurs when the line feed amount (distance between the lines)
: > has gotten too small. You can remove these lines by adjusting the line
: > feed amount."
: >
: > Did you try that?
: >
: > P.s. You owe me 3.00$ for the printout. :-)

: >

: Just to make it absolutely clear, are you saying that 'maybe' all the

: posts about the Alps banding problems are due to mis-adjusted printers
: (ie line feed) and that the owners didn't read the manual??

Nope - just stating there appears to be a way to fix the banding, and I havent
seen it on my printer.


: I'm considering an Alps MD2300 since the print samples I have seen are

: better than the PhotoSmart Printer and Epson Photo samples.

: But I'm still puzzeled by one thing. The Alps print samples they sent also
: showed the linefeed error. Didn't they read the manual or can we say they

: probably just mass produced the prints without checking them?

: BTW, how it the line feed adjustment done??

: George

to tell you the truth - the banding is actually pretty hard to see in the
sample print. Bascially I didnt see it untill I read a usenet post
saying it was there. Neither did anybody else who I showed the picture
to - even after saying 'spot the problem with this photo.'
You can only see it if you know it's there.

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